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June 24th, 2013 at 8:40:33 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Harley claims he got this check from Bellagio yesterday.
Am I the only one who thinks it looks photoshopped?


Is that the face of Buddha near the top middle-left?
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June 24th, 2013 at 8:57:45 PM permalink
Quote: JB

Is that the face of Buddha near the top middle-left?



That's the part Bob thinks is Photoshopped. Ever since all the other kids made fun of him for seeing Elvis on his waffle he's been very cynical about these things. That's clearly a naturally occurring manifestation of the Buddha.
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June 24th, 2013 at 9:27:47 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Why would it be a fake? The check itself is laser printed with the date and amount and the check printer is set to the amount properly. The MICR line conforms to bank standards (the part that I can see). The clear band at the bottom of the check is the minimum height of 5/8th. The fractional routing number 64-1278/611 is also correct and matches the routing number at the bottom of the check.

So yeah, the check is likely quite real.



Check mine too, I had a big hit the same day.



Sadly, Buddha didn't smile on my win.
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June 24th, 2013 at 10:00:38 PM permalink
Quote: JB

Is that the face of Buddha near the top middle-left?



I thought it was that face on Mars.

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
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June 24th, 2013 at 10:09:28 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Here is another $50,000 check for you. I've tried to impress the women by showing them this check, but it hasn't worked so far.



Did the bank call the cops when you tried to cash it?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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June 24th, 2013 at 10:27:56 PM permalink
Well, it looks like Ahigh visited the forum today, although he didn't post anything.
Fighting BS one post at a time!
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June 24th, 2013 at 10:42:55 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Well, it looks like Ahigh visited the forum today, although he didn't post anything.



Probably just checking that we're all still talking about him.
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June 25th, 2013 at 5:23:07 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Seems odd that the check amount is so even.

What, he won EXACTLY $50K at craps?

Could it be that he put money in the cage to draw against, like a marker, and decided to get it refunded?

If it's real though: nice hit.



I believe that he stated that he had a few off chips that he kept as, "Carrying money," or something to that effect.

With all due respect, this whole thing with Harley (while not a Rules violation) is hardly worth discussing, in my opinion. Who cares if it was a real or fake check? The post wasn't made on this Forum and I neither make nor lose a dollar of my own either way.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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June 25th, 2013 at 5:26:19 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

With all due respect, this whole thing with Harley (while not a Rules violation) is hardly worth discussing, in my opinion. Who cares if it was a real or fake check? The post wasn't made on this Forum and I neither make nor lose a dollar of my own either way.



What a party pooper.
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June 25th, 2013 at 6:29:11 AM permalink
There are a lot of things on here not worth discussing. I'll just leave it at that.
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June 25th, 2013 at 10:56:19 AM permalink
The Routing number and fractional routing numbers check out which means that the account information on the check is real. The amount of $50,000 is also likely real due to the business practice of putting a check through a machine that imprints the check amount.

Monkey's photoshop is pretty obvious -- the zeroes don't line up and the 2nd amount doesn't show.

But a gambler could easily come in with a deposit of 100K and leave with a check for $50K, no problem, just like someone else could show up with 3K in chips at the cage, take a picture of it, and then claim that as all winnings without telling you that s/he actually bought in for 10K.
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June 25th, 2013 at 12:27:24 PM permalink
Whats scary about Ahigh is he talks constantly about
his financial situation. He makes reports everyday on
his investments (doing poorly), his mortgage situation,
even his credit card debt. Its because he has no BR, his
paycheck is his BR. When you do that, your monthly nut,
your knife and fork money, as pro's used to call it, is on
your mind all the time. How far am I from going under?
Whew, not very far, I can gamble today. Scary place to
be in.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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June 25th, 2013 at 12:42:03 PM permalink
I seem to recall he said somewhere that at one point he was worth a million bucks, from investments such as silver, IIRC.

Even if they tanked, he's probably still well-heeled enough to ride the gambling crazy train to the station.
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June 25th, 2013 at 12:51:05 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I seem to recall he said somewhere that at one point he was worth a million bucks, .



Having a mil and being worth a mil are
a million miles apart. You can have a
house the bank owns and be worth a
mil, its meaningless.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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June 25th, 2013 at 3:08:00 PM permalink
I don't understand his position at all. Now he's claiming that DC only exists on short rolls. *facepalm*
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June 25th, 2013 at 4:14:22 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Having a mil and being worth a mil are
a million miles apart. You can have a
house the bank owns and be worth a
mil, its meaningless.



Exactly.

My employer paid pension account is worth several million dollars. The monthly payments I draw are the result of a pension fund that is worth several million dollars. I am not worth several million dollars.

I have a company "worth" several million dollars based on its annual revenue. Anyone want to buy it? :-)

Besides, we don't know if the $50K represents "winnings" or what he had left.
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June 25th, 2013 at 7:39:24 PM permalink
We don't know who the check was made out to. Could of been the person in line in front of HH, who said, "Hey can I take a picture of that?"
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June 25th, 2013 at 8:09:59 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

We don't know who the check was made out to.



This reminds me of the first job I had working
with non whites. An education to say the last.
On payday they would leave at noon and cash
their checks at the bank. They would get all
$1 dollar bills and one $50. They would make
a BR by folding the one's in half and having the
$50 on the outside. When they pulled it out of
their front pocket, all you could see was the $50,
and it gave the impression the whole wad was
$50's.

When I say 'they', there three of them and they
all did it. Every week. For months. At first I
thought it was a joke, then I realized I wasn't
in Kansas anymore, as Dorothy quipped.

It looked like this but with a $50 on the outside.

"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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June 26th, 2013 at 8:10:28 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

This reminds me of the first job I had working with non whites. An education to say the last.

[snip]


Wow. This comment doesn't come from any sort of education.

To anyone who is not white, I assure you that most of us on the forum are shocked by such narrow-minded, bigoted remarks.

There are a few small-minded antagonizers who seem to have free rein here. Please do not give them the satisfaction of scaring away the more thoughtful, broad-minded thinkers.
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June 26th, 2013 at 8:19:57 AM permalink
Agreed it is 2013. Sadly racisim, intenional or not is still alive and well in the world.

"They" LMAO, why dont you just fire out a line like "the colored boys would......"

There is no they and us, last I checked we were all of the human race.
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June 26th, 2013 at 8:31:41 AM permalink
So then, are you saying that blacks don't bet the field any more frequently than whites?

It sure seems that way to me, and I am fairly "liberal" and do not make this claim out of any position of implied racial superiority: it is just what I have concluded, anecdotally, from my observation of real life craps play.

My point: there seem to be some occasional differences in the way different ethnic groups approach playing particular casino games; not always of course, but sometimes.

Do whites play baccarat the same way as many Asians do, with the squeezing of cards / superstitious behaviors?

We are all the same, yet there are still some differences, which I submit are most likely cultural / learned from one's peers.

Obviously we are all human, but we are not all raised within the same, homogenous culture, at least not completely.
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June 26th, 2013 at 8:39:27 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

So then, are you saying that blacks don't bet the field any more frequently than whites?

It sure seems that way to me,...


Probably best not to judge someone by the color of their skin nor by "the way it seems."

Again, to anyone who is not white, please do not let the few small-minded forum members scare you away.
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June 26th, 2013 at 8:46:27 AM permalink
Quote: tupp

Probably best not to judge someone by the color of their skin nor by "the way it seems."

Again, to anyone who is not white, please do not let the few small-minded forum members scare you away.



I keep reading MrV's post over and over and can't find any part where he is judging anyone or anything.
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June 26th, 2013 at 8:54:00 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

I keep reading MrV's post over and over and can't find any part where he is judging anyone or anything.


I will rephrase: Probably best not to draw conclusions about someone based on their skin color nor by "the way it seems."
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June 26th, 2013 at 9:20:30 AM permalink
Quote: tupp

I will rephrase: Probably best not to draw conclusions about someone based on their skin color nor by "the way it seems."



That's politically correct, However suppose you and I are at the casino and 20 Asians walk in, I say to you I bet you most of them are gonna play Bac. I will give you 10-1 and all other games in the house. You will turn me down and you will do it based upon their ethnicity.
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June 26th, 2013 at 9:37:20 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

That's politically correct,


It's correct, period. Best not to draw conclusions on someone based on the color of their skin.


Quote: rainman

However suppose you and I are at the casino and 20 Asians walk in, I say to you I bet you most of them are gonna play Bac. I will give you 10-1 and all other games in the house. You will turn me down and you will do it based upon their ethnicity.


"Asian" is not an ethnicity (nor, necessarily, is it a race), but many find it distasteful and offensive to hear such generalizations about a race of people.
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June 26th, 2013 at 9:44:12 AM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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June 26th, 2013 at 9:50:39 AM permalink
Quote: tupp

It's correct, period. Best not to draw conclusions on someone based on the color of their skin.



"Asian" is not an ethnicity (nor, necessarily, is it a race), but many find it distasteful and offensive to hear such generalizations about a race of people.



How else would I describe them? Should I just refer to everybody as white? cannot people be proud of the race they are, can we not be happy with are ethnic and cultural differences? If I see someone rob a bank should I leave out their race when giving a description to the police? The guy was of Asian decent officer. oops that's not nice um he was short with black hair that's all I know.
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June 26th, 2013 at 10:07:41 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

How else would I describe them? Should I just refer to everybody as white? cannot people be proud of the race they are, can we not be happy with are ethnic and cultural differences? If I see someone rob a bank should I leave out their race when giving a description to the police? The guy was of Asian decent officer. oops that's not nice um he was short with black hair that's all I know.


You made a generalization about the behavior of a race of people.
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June 26th, 2013 at 10:18:30 AM permalink
Quote: tupp

You made a generalization about the behavior of a race of people.



I made a comment which is based upon what I have observed and what others report having observed.

Do you disagree that cultural differences exist, and that they often affect how members of a particular group behave?

Consider if you will the disproporitonate number of blacks in our American prisons; then compare that with the disproportionate amount of blacks in the NBA and NFL.

Then note how few blacks have risen to become CEOs / exceedingly wealthy.

How do YOU explain the seemingly unequal success rates?

My thought: it is not racial, it is cultural: nurture, not nature.
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June 26th, 2013 at 10:28:36 AM permalink
Quote: tupp

You made a generalization about the behavior of a race of people.



I don't know about behavior but generalization yes and its accurate. People of Asian decent seem to love Bac. I don't care if its a generalization. I care if its accurate and truthful.
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June 26th, 2013 at 11:22:20 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Do you disagree that cultural differences exist, and that they often affect how members of a particular group behave?


Cultural differences exist between cultures. A race is not a culture.

The danger appears when one attaches culture to a race and/or when one associates a specific behavior to people of a culture or race.

One would be making one of or both of such associations, if one stated, "Black people make field bets more than white people."


Quote: MrV

Consider if you will the disproporitonate number of blacks in our American prisons;


So, are you saying that black people are predisposed to commit crimes?


Quote: MrV

then compare that with the disproportionate amount of blacks in the NBA and NFL.


I am ignorant as to how players are developed and recruited in those sports, but the situation is certainly not as oversimplified as you suggest.

However, race is a physical attribute, so it is possible that a greater number of people in a certain race might be predisposed for a certain sport.


Quote: MrV

Then note how few blacks have risen to become CEOs / exceedingly wealthy.


In regards to the lack of black CEOs, perhaps there is still a lot of discrimination. In regards to the number of black people with wealth, I am ignorant of the numbers. Let's avoid assumptions and "seems like."


Quote: MrV

How do YOU explain the seemingly unequal success rates?


The situation is not oversimplified as you suggest. There are a lot of variables involved, but one thing is for sure -- it is not a good idea to draw negative conclusions about the behavior of a race of people, nor to prejudge someone based on their race or ethnic group.


Quote: MrV

My thought: it is not racial, it is cultural: nurture, not nature.


Such generalization and oversimplification is the basis of bigotry, and leads to notions like, "This race make field bets more than another race," or worse, "I am not hiring that person because his race is predisposed to commit crime."
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June 26th, 2013 at 11:27:48 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

I don't know about behavior but generalization yes and its accurate. People of Asian decent seem to love Bac.


"Seem?" So, you are basing your generalization about an entire race on your vague assumption.

"Seems" accurate to me!
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June 26th, 2013 at 11:36:14 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

I don't care if its a generalization. I care if its accurate and truthful.



Exactly. Just like my story was accurate and truthful.
Racism now is even mentioning someone of another
race, instead of pretending they don't exist. I've never
seen anybody but Asians playing bac in my casino.
Honest truth. Is that racist? There was not a single
black in my high school the whole 4 years I was there.
Is that racist to mention it? Its the truth, it really happened.
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June 26th, 2013 at 12:22:37 PM permalink
Quote: tupp

"Seem?" So, you are basing your generalization about an entire race on your vague assumption.

"Seems" accurate to me!



Nope I'm basing my assumptions on facts. I frequent many casinos and when I pass by the bac tables guess who's there? Guess which Table game dominates Macau? Guess of which descent most of the people playing there are? So I add it all up and yup it comes out to the Asian gamblers love bac. Its not an assumption its fact.

You do realize that an assumption or generalization doesn't have to be negative.
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June 26th, 2013 at 12:27:24 PM permalink
I agree that it is wrong to discriminate based on race.

However, is it not also wrong to deny the reality of that which is plainly evident?

There ARE a disproportionately large number of blacks in the NBA, for example, at least as compared to the racial makeup of the general population.

It is what it is, isn't it?
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June 26th, 2013 at 12:38:26 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I agree that it is wrong to discriminate based on race.

However, is it not also wrong to deny the reality of that which is plainly evident?

There ARE a disproportionately large number of blacks in the NBA, for example, at least as compared to the racial makeup of the general population.

It is what it is, isn't it?



I play b-ball at the Y a couple times a month. There are a couple of black guys there that love to inform me of this when were playing.
They also like to laugh at me because I'm 6-2 + and can't dunk. White men can't jump lol.
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June 26th, 2013 at 12:44:44 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Exactly. Just like my story was accurate and truthful. Racism now is even mentioning someone of another
race, instead of pretending they don't exist.


Actually you didn't even refer to a specific race. Nevertheless, the post was decidedly bigoted.

Shall we review?


Quote: EvenBob

I've never seen anybody but Asians playing bac in my casino. Honest truth. Is that racist? There was not a single black in my high school the whole 4 years I was there. Is that racist to mention it? Its the truth, it really happened.


The bigotry in your post had nothing to do with how many "Asians" you see playing baccarat nor did it involve the lack of black people in your high school.
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June 26th, 2013 at 12:58:37 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I agree that it is wrong to discriminate based on race.

However, is it not also wrong to deny the reality of that which is plainly evident?

There ARE a disproportionately large number of blacks in the NBA, for example, at least as compared to the racial makeup of the general population.

It is what it is, isn't it?


The assertion that black people bet the field more than white people is not plainly evident.

Also, why would one attempt make such a distinction between races?
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June 26th, 2013 at 1:42:43 PM permalink
Quote: tupp




The bigotry in your post had nothing to do with how many "Asians" you see playing baccarat nor did it involve the lack of black people in your high school.



Who made you the bigot police? You don't know what you're talking about.
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June 26th, 2013 at 1:47:51 PM permalink
Making an observation is simply that, an observation. The poor will always be over-represented in prison populations.

For that matter, how many white members here have ever been stopped for a DWB ?

As far as a black man believing in our justice system, why are so many blacks cleared of rape and death penalties , due to DNA lately ?

I mean if such injustice has appeared in death penalty cases, just imagine what representation you get from a public defender for an everyday felony .

Back to the thread. Asian women have been known to salivate over the thought of playing baccarat and squeezing the cards. Not a damn thing racist in that statement 1 !
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June 26th, 2013 at 1:50:50 PM permalink
It's obvious that tupp is obsessed with race. Who is the racist?
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June 26th, 2013 at 7:23:05 PM permalink
Black people like to bet the don't pass and hop bets. <----the preceeding is racist.
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June 26th, 2013 at 8:54:22 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Who made you the bigot police? You don't know what you're talking about.



You should probably take him at his word on that Tupp, it's unlikely anyone here knows as much about being a bigot as Bob.
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June 26th, 2013 at 10:26:43 PM permalink
Do you know why political correctness is hated by so many people? It doesn't prove anything is the reason, but people pretend it does and others gain power from using it as a weapon. It almost makes sense is the problem and why it's so effective. What I should do is form a partnership with the government to declare certain words licensed and if people use them without permission, we'll just zap their bank accounts for $10,000 a pop. If they can successfully appeal with a "what I meant" statement, maybe we'll give half the money back, but randomly we'll zap them again for $10,000 for making it worse.
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June 26th, 2013 at 11:26:36 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

Nope I'm basing my assumptions on facts. I frequent many casinos and when I pass by the bac tables guess who's there? Guess which Table game dominates Macau? Guess of which descent most of the people playing there are? So I add it all up and yup it comes out to the Asian gamblers love bac. Its not an assumption its fact..



An Asian at the bac table might assume, "hey, why do non-Asians play everything but Bac. They must hate it."

Well, you never know what people are going to assume. That's why the world is at war so much, probably.
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June 27th, 2013 at 1:26:10 AM permalink
Getting back to the wad of one-dollar bills with the big bill on the outside, we used to call it a "gangster bankroll" when I grew up in New York. It had nothing to do with any group because every group had its gangsters.
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June 28th, 2013 at 2:56:43 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Do you know why political correctness is hated by so many people? It doesn't prove anything is the reason, but people pretend it does and others gain power from using it as a weapon.



Wait, I thought that was why people didn't like stereotypes.
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June 28th, 2013 at 5:58:09 AM permalink
I think this conversation has veered far enough off path. How did we manage to get from Ahigh to stereotyping race??
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June 28th, 2013 at 6:11:32 AM permalink
Ahigh is back!!!!!!!!

(Thanks for not booking my bet, sodawater...LOL)
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