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November 28th, 2013 at 11:48:55 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

So who wins in this little story?
Not me, .



That's the marvel of capitalism, progress. People vote
with their feet and things keep rolling along. The longer
I live, the more I realize life is about constant change.
The universe is about constant change. Learn how to
roll with it, we all look at the past with nostalgia. I
can remember way back to the days when having health
insurance was a choice I had. Now I have Papa
Obama to make that decision for me. Oy..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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November 29th, 2013 at 12:01:27 AM permalink
Petroglyph
I understand the story about the mexican resterant. But that has happened alot.
Pizza tastes worse than years ago because we the consumer choose pizza hut over mom and pops
Sub sanwiches taste worse because consumers walked away from mom and pops that cut the meat ans cheese in front of you and piled it on the sandwich in favor of subway with precut meats god forbid you should get an extra slice of turkey.
Mom and pop mexican places fell to taco bell who like you said...what is in their products?
Consumers love the disposible furniture sold at ikea and dumped the mom and pop stores

alot of the food we eat or the products we buy are inferior to what we used to have. Yet we accepted this exchange, and now a new generation comes up that doesnt know any better. Doesnt know what real pizza or real subs or real burritos tastes like....and they will continue to accept the sliding of quality in favor of price and convenience. THey dont know that there was a time like in the household I grew up in that furniture lasted a lifetime. They accept the particle board inferior furniture in favor of one stop shopping in a huge store/selection with low prices.
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November 29th, 2013 at 12:05:05 AM permalink
Larry you left out the people have been dumbed down.

I don't disagree with you on shoppers not thinking or caring beyond there immediate selves. [my words]

I'm living with a generation of people who haven't even eaten a good steak and are happy with electronic parenting.

Another complaint I have is it's almost impossible for me to get shoes, that is something I really want to try on and don't want the really cheap ones. If I find ones that fit again I'll buy two or three pairs.

All this predatory capitalism may be legal and modern or by popular choice, I totally realize there is nothing I can do to change it. Although I raged against the machine for decades. I'm definitely in the last quarter of my life. Walmarts stock has been on quite a decline for a while now. This xmas season might put jc penny's out of business. Several reasons there.

When all competition is crushed there won't be any choice. Consider what might happen if Walmart goes out of business, the infrastructure no longer exists to pick up the slack.
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November 29th, 2013 at 12:16:22 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

That's the marvel of capitalism, progress. People vote
with their feet and things keep rolling along. The longer
I live, the more I realize life is about constant change.
The universe is about constant change. Learn how to
roll with it, we all look at the past with nostalgia. I
can remember way back to the days when having health
insurance was a choice I had. Now I have Papa
Obama to make that decision for me. Oy..




But what we have isn't capitalism. And we disagree a bit on what's happening as being progress, but I do understand the inference.

I've said for a long time that the only constant is change.

I'm guessing your med insurance is medicare? I've read that's being gutted to finance aca?

I remember growing up doctors making house calls, you probably do as well, bummer. That made sense for the patient to be able to stay at home and the doctor come to them. That was also cash transactions. Now maybe a person may get a nurse to come by, but lately it seems it's hospice.

What costs me dearly is dental, I'm on a cash basis. I know a couple doctors who said [I think they were joking] they wished they'd become dentists instead.
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November 29th, 2013 at 12:17:10 AM permalink
Quote: LarryS

the consumer can at any time reject cheaper prices, reject poorer customer service, reject poorer quality.....but they dont

walmart and others provide people what the consumer wants...prices and conveniece...no frills, no expertise for you to partake.



If you think the unregulated is best, then I suppose your gambling money is better spent in loosely regulated countries and casinos with high corruption or online where there is less oversight or none at all.

I know people who found out otherwise that shopping with your feet is just not good enough indicator of whether business is good for people or bad.

Yup, I want businesses to compete in fair business environments. Call me crazy.
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November 29th, 2013 at 12:48:03 AM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

But what we have isn't capitalism. .



It's capitalism at it's finest. How can you say differently.
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November 29th, 2013 at 1:01:43 AM permalink
Quote: LarryS

iF THERE IS A SEALED BOX.....and it looks clean...they are not going to riip it open and then tape it shut. It ruins the chance of reselling it.

They are happy when you return a clean sealed box. Alot of people return a box totally ripped open,..they will have a had time tapeing it up and reselling.

again...its going on because 2 people on this thread already talked about receiving a used small appliance.

its a well known and often used scam

along with the return of clothing I mentioned

people use the system

and as you incorrectly stated..it has nothing to do with a 2 year return policy.

it has nothing to do with lazy workers.

now if u are talking about a 800 dollar flat screen tv totally sealed..i would be surprised if they took a peek inside. But for a 50 dollar toaster in a clean sealed box..it wont happpen, for a 120 dollar vacuum in a perfectly nice clean sealed box...they are not ripping it open.

you obviously have never spent a day working in retail if you think every sealed package is opened.

Heck in pharmacy chains there are people who buy expensive vitamins, empty it out,(replace cheap aspirin tabs inside with cotton) seal it nicely, return a pristine box...with a current receipt...it gets returned to the shelf. You think anyone is ripping the box open to check. No the worker isnt lazy...its just that it cant be sold ripped open.

Your correct I have never had to work in retail, Thank god. WM may have different policy's depending on the community or how often such shenanigans occur at that location, Vegas They check. Target actually uses forensics for this kind of stuff(obviously not for a $20 bender.)

I have taken clean, taped, sealed, even shrink warped Items back to Walmart, $12 items. They open it up and check it. Recently they did this with a$30 prefect sealed box of mainstays set of dishes, The girl opened the box and counted each dish and made sure they matched the picture.

They don't put everything back on the shelf's sometimes they send it back the the manufactures. If its clear packaging like a lot of things are they usually just look and match the serial numbers if it has them. I'm not saying it dose not ever happen. They were scammed on about 10 I pads a few years ago, that's not many compared to the amount sold. I'm saying its not as easy or often as you think or people would be making a fortune doing this. There are probably 10 or more WM just in Vegas.

We don't know how them used items on the the shelf's. People may bring in an old item get a sticker and swap the items and replace the sticker. Could be a situation where someone knows the person that's supposed to check,inside job

Again I'm not saying it never happens. I think its the employees not doing a proper job.
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November 29th, 2013 at 1:29:10 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

It's capitalism at it's finest. How can you say differently.




Maybe capitalism as described by Marx.

You can't have capitalism without respect for the time value of money.

There is no reason for banks to loan money to employ capitol into existence when the Fed pays the tbtf banks interest to leave it in reserve.

The federal reserve is printing [digital] the "money" to buy 50-70% of the T-bills issued weekly, currently around 85 billion per month. Capitalism would allow deflation and the price of equities and real estate to drop to where someone would buy. As it stands now the Chinese aren't buying anymore treasury's. They were our biggest customer, in essence lending us 3 trillion.

Our gov. is only collecting 30% in revenue for every dollar they spend, the rest is printed. That again, is not capitalism.
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November 29th, 2013 at 1:52:26 AM permalink
I'm standing line to get into Walmart as I type. The line is so long, I may not get through the door until Christmas Eve a feed minutes before closing.

Glad you got the AC Bob.
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November 29th, 2013 at 2:15:41 AM permalink
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I'm standing line to get into Walmart as I type. The line is so long, I may not get through the door until Christmas Eve a feed minutes before closing.

Glad you got the AC Bob.

Can you get me a laptop? and I'm Very Serious. I will paypal or send a money order or whatever. Ill kick you a few bucks for the effort.
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November 29th, 2013 at 9:42:34 AM permalink
Quote: wroberson

I'm standing line to get into Walmart as I type. The line is so long, I may not get through the door until Christmas Eve a feed minutes before closing.

Glad you got the AC Bob.

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November 29th, 2013 at 11:07:37 AM permalink
Appalling
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November 29th, 2013 at 11:09:14 AM permalink
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November 29th, 2013 at 10:13:11 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

If you think the unregulated is best, then I suppose your gambling money is better spent in loosely regulated countries and casinos with high corruption or online where there is less oversight or none at all.

I know people who found out otherwise that shopping with your feet is just not good enough indicator of whether business is good for people or bad.

Yup, I want businesses to compete in fair business environments. Call me crazy.



overseas online gambling is illegal for me...so I dont engage in illegal activity. If I had an account and they closed up shop and ran with my money..I have no recourse. What am I going to do call the district attorney and tell him/her that I was engaing in illegal activity and I would like his help.

Where as walmart is a egal entity. Even though people here complain about long lines, poor service, poor quality producrts....a large percentage of the american shoppers have voted that those things are not very important to them....just price and convenience.
And walmart does indeed provide price and convenience.

When walmart moves into town, stores on mainstreet USA close down because their customers conciously decide to sever business ties with them

People have the free will to take a stand and support the local main street shops. But the choose not to.

Personally its not the prices that attracts me..its the convenience of being able to save time and gas and get everything I need under one roof. I can go in anf get food, shoes, a pillow, a desk fan for my office, and tire pump......in no time at all..then I dont even have to wait in line..I can check myself out.

Heck I would even pay a little more for the ability to save time and gas ...but its a bonus that the prices are low as well.

Do I need the govt to tell me that I cant go where its conveniet.....should the govt make me buy my items from the local main street mom and pop store?

fact is,,,even if the govt made walmart raise prices of certain items...I would still go them for the sheer convenience.

For me...time is money...and the less time I spend doing errands the better.

what do people want the govt to do to intervene?...tell walmart they cant carry a wide variety of products??..tell walmart to be less "convenient"?
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November 29th, 2013 at 11:07:26 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS



When walmart moves into town, stores on mainstreet USA close down because their customers conciously decide to sever business ties with them



Walmart and stores like it are the natural progression
of commerce in a capitalistic society. In the 60's malls
started to appear, all the main street shops under one
roof. Then the ability to transport goods improved, and
you got a lot of the smaller shops goods in a store
like Walmart. I remember those days before malls.
Shopping was a pain in the ass, it was an all day job.
Now it's a one stop job.
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November 30th, 2013 at 1:36:35 AM permalink
Wasn't me. I left the house for a total of 7 minutes since Wed say night 9pm. That was for. Soda.
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November 30th, 2013 at 4:42:12 AM permalink
Quote: wroberson

Wasn't me. I left the house for a total of 7 minutes since Wed say night 9pm. That was for. Soda.

d that

My buddy's said his wife left right around 8 on Thursday night and showed back up about 6:30 the next morning, all spent shopping.

I suggested that it could be a "get out of jail free card" to play poker at the casino all night.
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November 30th, 2013 at 8:03:28 AM permalink
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A company like Walmart could undercut virtually any small store by simply selling products at a loss until the small company goes out of business...That has no advantage to a consumer at all.

What a s2pid thing to say.

"Selling products at a loss" (for whatever period of time) is "no advantage to a consumer at all"?!?!?! *facepalm*
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November 30th, 2013 at 9:16:52 AM permalink
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Quote: rxwine

A company like Walmart could undercut virtually any small store by simply selling products at a loss until the small company goes out of business...That has no advantage to a consumer at all.

What a s2pid thing to say.

"Selling products at a loss" (for whatever period of time) is "no advantage to a consumer at all"?!?!?! *facepalm*



You altered my post to make it say something different. Try again, clown.
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November 30th, 2013 at 10:53:11 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

You altered my post to make it say something different. Try again, clown.


Oh, so you admit that "selling products at a loss" IS an advantage to the consumer?

Thank you very much. Case closed.
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November 30th, 2013 at 1:58:32 PM permalink
Even if Walmart would be forced to raise their prices by our govt....theystill have an ability over the mom and pop stores.....the ability to spend millions on advertising.

They can advertise advertise advertise, they can provide coupons in weekly ads for limited time price reductions(just like smaler busiensses can do), plus they have the convenience of everything under one roof...which the mom and pops cant get close to.

So the people who want govt to step in...what is the govt supposed to do to put walmart on closer fotting with mom and pop

reduce their selction/convenience?
stop tv advertison?
limit newspaper and magazine advertising?
order consumers to buy at the mom and pop store.?

Is the govt supposed to subsizide the mom and pops with money for advertising?

walmarts advantage is not strictly pricing
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November 30th, 2013 at 2:08:35 PM permalink
So Walmart comes to a small community and sells milk for 50 cents cheaper than Mom and Pop.

People shop at Walmart for milk.

Mom and Pop goes out of business.

A year later Walmart can charge even more than Mom and Pop did, because of no competitor.

Sure, it may not work that way, but it could, and as Casinoboss once answered in his thread on why they do some business the way they do: "Because we can."


Although, I think big companies become less relevant with the Internet. Except for items like milk which are perishable.
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November 30th, 2013 at 2:09:07 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Walmart and stores like it are the natural progression
of commerce in a capitalistic society. In the 60's malls
started to appear, all the main street shops under one
roof. Then the ability to transport goods improved, and
you got a lot of the smaller shops goods in a store
like Walmart. I remember those days before malls.
Shopping was a pain in the ass, it was an all day job.
Now it's a one stop job.




Correct. The malls, especially the indoor ones started to drive main street USA out of business. Not because they were cheaper...but because they were convenient. You could shop in a sleet storm,/ rain storm in the warm confines of a mall,...very convenient...and even grab a slice of pizza or a coffee. The rents were sky high so the pricing was not a bargain....but convenience rulled the day. People were willing to drive a little farther from main street and even paya little more for the convenience of big selections all under one roof.

So walmart comes along and offers the convenience AND good prices and massive advertisiing...and all of a sudden people cry foul....they want govt intervention
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November 30th, 2013 at 2:12:57 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

So Walmart comes to a small community and sells milk for 50 cents cheaper than Mom and Pop.

People shop at Walmart for milk.

Mom and Pop goes out of business.

A year later Walmart can charge even more than Mom and Pop did, because of no competitor.

Sure, it may not work that way, but it could, and as Casinoboss once answered in his thread on why they do some business the way they do: "Because we can."


Although, I think big companies become less relevant with the Internet. Except for items like milk which are perishable.




well if people abandon mom and pop and go out of their wayy to pay fifty cents less for milk....then they put themselves in that position when mom and pop goes away.
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November 30th, 2013 at 2:56:08 PM permalink
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Quote: rxwine

A company like Walmart could undercut virtually any small store by simply selling products at a loss until the small company goes out of business...That has no advantage to a consumer at all.

What a s2pid thing to say.

"Selling products at a loss" (for whatever period of time) is "no advantage to a consumer at all"?!?!?! *facepalm*

Its a big advantage to Wal-Mart and its customers in the short term ...If they keep the low prices. I have found that WM dose keep low prices on most things overall, not always, but I dont want to run to 15 diffrent places. Is WM better for America as a hole in the long run? Im not sure. People complain about product quality and poor service. I agree WM is full of idiot's that could not get a job anywhere else. Some products have went down in quality, but not just at WM. Someone pointed out, that its not WM fault, its our fault for buying that crap and allowing china and other places make our stuff . Not evrything is of lesser quality at walmart they have the same name brand shit, like Apple products.
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November 30th, 2013 at 4:32:11 PM permalink
Product quality? What's wrong with Walmart quality.
They sell the same name brands as everybody else.
And the stuff that has the Walmart name on it, like
canned goods, or cheese or anything you name, is
packed for them by a name brand company. I know
for a fact Kraft does a lot of the Walmart cheese
products and DelMonte does a lot of their canned
vegetables. Same product, different cans. When I
worked in a cookie factory 45 years ago, we made
cookies for 6 different companies. Sunshine, Keebler,
Nabisco. Same cookies went in every package. We
had our own brand that was cheaper by far, but
people bought Keebler because they think it's better.
It's the exact same product.
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November 30th, 2013 at 4:49:56 PM permalink
I get a kick out of people that think they discovered the concept that when there is less competition then prices can rise.

They think the american poulation is too stupid to comprehend this fact of life and definately too stupid to anticpate it as a possibility.

thats where I guess govt has to come in and protect us from milk going up in price when the competition closes down.
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November 30th, 2013 at 4:57:15 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Product quality? What's wrong with Walmart quality.
They sell the same name brands as everybody else.
And the stuff that has the Walmart name on it, like
canned goods, or cheese or anything you name, is
packed for them by a name brand company. I know
for a fact Kraft does a lot of the Walmart cheese
products and DelMonte does a lot of their canned
vegetables. Same product, different cans. When I
worked in a cookie factory 45 years ago, we made
cookies for 6 different companies. Sunshine, Keebler,
Nabisco. Same cookies went in every package. We
had our own brand that was cheaper by far, but
people bought Keebler because they think it's better.
It's the exact same product.



I dont think people are talking about the name brand products,

For example I rently bought a 50 dollar microwave made in mexico from walmart. Compared to name brands, I know its a piece of crap. But I dont have a family to feed. It gets used minimallym just to heat atudd up for 5 minutes or less.....and it may blow out in a year or 2....and if it does it will be fine with me.
Their unassembled furniture made overseas is poor quality as well, but for some can do the trick for some people. Losey quality...wont last long, but people know this going in. I dont buy clothes from there but I suppose there are some made overseas that might last as long as well...non name brands.

SO I cannot say accross the board the quality of ALL their iitems is the same as national brands.
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November 30th, 2013 at 5:01:36 PM permalink
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I get a kick out of people that think they discovered the concept that when there is less competition then prices can rise.

They think the american poulation is too stupid to comprehend this fact of life and definately too stupid to anticpate it as a possibility.

thats where I guess govt has to come in and protect us from milk going up in price when the competition closes down.



Government regulation is good for business




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November 30th, 2013 at 5:54:55 PM permalink
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So Walmart comes to a small community and sells milk for 50 cents cheaper than Mom and Pop.

People shop at Walmart for milk.

Mom and Pop goes out of business.

A year later Walmart can charge even more than Mom and Pop did, because of no competitor.


Another s2pid argument. You must be taking lessons from s2dbaker or something.

Give me one example of something like that happening. Oh wait. You mean you can't?

In fact, Walmart often puts small businesses under pressure because they sell products LOWER than they do. And, like it or not, that's a benefit to the consumer.

So keep going. Your 'epic fail' streak continues...
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November 30th, 2013 at 6:45:52 PM permalink
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Another s2pid argument. You must be taking lessons from s2dbaker or something.

Give me one example of something like that happening. Oh wait. You mean you can't?

In fact, Walmart often puts small businesses under pressure because they sell products LOWER than they do. And, like it or not, that's a benefit to the consumer.

So keep going. Your 'epic fail' streak continues...



Oh boring.

Anyway, check this out BEETHOVEN,
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Starting next year, Walmart employees who work more than 34 hours per week can have their domestic partners—gay or straight—covered under company-offered health insurance and that new vision plan.



What do you think?
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November 30th, 2013 at 6:48:10 PM permalink
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Starting next year, Walmart employees who work more than 34 hours per week can have their domestic partners—gay or straight—covered under company-offered health insurance and that new vision plan.



Hopefully the other partner is working, otherwise I think you'd have to have a second 34 hour per week job just to afford their insurance.
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November 30th, 2013 at 7:05:05 PM permalink
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Oh boring


Looks like Mr. Tangent is at it again. Instead of admitting that his argument was lame, all he can say is "Oh boring" and then change the subject. lol
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November 30th, 2013 at 7:13:40 PM permalink
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Looks like Mr. Tangent is at it again. Instead of admitting that his argument was lame, all he can say is "Oh boring" and then change the subject. lol



I can't admit something that just isn't true.

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Yet America’s corporate establishment is quietly, steadily, indicating its acceptance and support for committed same-sex relationships. “We’re at a moment where a majority of the Fortune 500 offer domestic-partner benefits,” said Deena Fidas, director of workplace-equality programs for the Human Rights Campaign in Washington.



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November 30th, 2013 at 7:17:13 PM permalink
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I can't admit something that just isn't true.

Then I'll say it again:

Name ONE store in a small town that went out of business because Walmart came in, lowered their prices, put the store out of business, and then raised prices back up to the point where they were more expensive than what the first store had offered.

Oh, you mean you can't do it? Didn't think so. (You need to stick to going off on tangents. You're much better at that.) ;)
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November 30th, 2013 at 7:20:32 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Then I'll say it again:

Name ONE store in a small town that went out of business because Walmart came in, lowered their prices, put the store out of business, and then raised prices back up to the point where they were more expensive than what the first store had offered.

Oh, you mean you can't do it? Didn't think so. (You need to stick to going off on tangents. You're much better at that.) ;)




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Sorry Beethoven, you just have to be beaten with your own stupid words.

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November 30th, 2013 at 7:22:17 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Then I'll say it again:

Name ONE store in a small town that went out of business because Walmart came in, lowered their prices, put the store out of business, and then raised prices back up to the point where they were more expensive than what the first store had offered.



It's never happened, even Rockefeller didn't do that.
He would offer a competitor to be bought out at a
good price. If they didn't sell, he would lower his
prices and put the guy out of business. But he never
put his prices higher than he did anywhere else after
the competitor was gone.
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November 30th, 2013 at 7:32:39 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Then I'll say it again:

Name ONE store in a small town that went out of business because Walmart came in, lowered their prices, put the store out of business, and then raised prices back up to the point where they were more expensive than what the first store had offered.

Oh, you mean you can't do it? Didn't think so. (You need to stick to going off on tangents. You're much better at that.) ;)


I've read maybe 4 or 5 books on this subject, and I know it to be true, even though I can't name a specific company off the top of my head. Walmart even sends in management/consultant types into the town before the store is built to infiltrate the local chamber of commerce, Rotary and such to deceive those people and assure that Walmart is favorably welcomed. Then sends spies to determine local pricing, deter unions, etc. I shop there, but I know they have predatory competitive practices. Results are great prices for consumers, bad for existing local businesses. Walmart negotiates contracts with manufactures to build items at a price that Walmart dictates, not the market, then after the factory is built that builds those widgets, THEN Walmart says "we won't extend that contract unless we pay 10% less than previously determined".

Walmart didn't rise to the top by being the 'good guy'. Every company that becomes the behemoth in that field has done so through self-serving, competition-squashing methods. Can YOU, Beethoven, name any company that hasn't?
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November 30th, 2013 at 8:01:29 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

It's never happened, even Rockefeller didn't do that.
He would offer a competitor to be bought out at a
good price. If they didn't sell, he would lower his
prices and put the guy out of business. But he never
put his prices higher than he did anywhere else after
the competitor was gone.



That's a pretty bold statement.

I don't think that's the way it went with Carnegie/ US Steel

Because of all kinds of skullduggery by Rockefellar is why congress created the Sherman anti-trust act.

Are you saying Standard Oil didn't aquire the competition by any means available and then raise prices? Baloney.
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November 30th, 2013 at 8:15:18 PM permalink
actually the chance of being gouged has a better chance of happening from a single business owner rather than a chain of stores wherenational negative publicity can cause millions in lost sales.

when there is a local disaster like Katrina...news stories of gouging were not at all about national chains jacking up the prices of batteries, water, and supplies.

It was all about individual business owners...you know Joes roofing....who charged high prices to put you first in line .

there is no special law or morale code that says prices should never go up.

walmart gives some generic rxs away for 4.00 for a month supply. It costs over 5 dollars in labor just to produce 1 prescription. So obviously they are losing money on that. One day those 4 dollar prices will go up. So what. That will be their perogative. They will lose some busness...but thats fine....if they choose not to lose money anymore on an rx...or choose to make an extra 50 cents on a gallon of milk...thats fine with me.
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November 30th, 2013 at 8:32:19 PM permalink
WalMart donated a crapload of water, 20M and truckloads of other items during Katrina, and other natural disasters, they're just not very publicly vocal about it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/05/AR2005090501598.html
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November 30th, 2013 at 8:44:13 PM permalink
I shopped at Walmart today.

I bought 100 syringes and insulin for my dog
train set for our tree
some food
touch up paint
tupperware
packing tape
diaper cream
laundry detergent

My total was $97.58. There is no where else that I could have gone under one roof or multiple ones and spent that little on those products. If walmart is putting the little guys out of business then I surely don't care. The little guys don't help me save money for our kids future.

There is also enough competition from other retailers like Target and online to keep them from raising prices.
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November 30th, 2013 at 9:02:07 PM permalink
I saw something peculiar a little while ago in atwater Ca....a super target and a super walmart next to each other. Not just in the same shopping center or same parking lot...niope..right next to each other.

The target was their first, and then they tell me 2 years ater walmart opened up next door.

they are in the same parkking lot, next to each other with maybe the length of 2 cars end to end seperating the buildings. They face in the same direction.

It seems walmart is not only not scared of local mom and pop stores....they also dont seem to think target is worthy competition.
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November 30th, 2013 at 9:04:40 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

WalMart donated a crapload of water, 20M and truckloads of other items during Katrina, and other natural disasters, they're just not very publicly vocal about it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/05/AR2005090501598.html


Yeah, I said in another thread that...."Yeah, of course they did! Poor black people in New Orleans are their base. You didn't see Rolex and Mercedes-Benz running to the aid of New Orleans."
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November 30th, 2013 at 9:10:53 PM permalink
Quote: zippyboy

I've read maybe 4 or 5 books on this subject, and I know it to be true, even though I can't name a specific company off the top of my head. Walmart even sends in management/consultant types into the town before the store is built to infiltrate the local chamber of commerce, Rotary and such to deceive those people and assure that Walmart is favorably welcomed. Then sends spies to determine local pricing, deter unions, etc. I shop there, but I know they have predatory competitive practices. Results are great prices for consumers, bad for existing local businesses. Walmart negotiates contracts with manufactures to build items at a price that Walmart dictates, not the market, then after the factory is built that builds those widgets, THEN Walmart says "we won't extend that contract unless we pay 10% less than previously determined".

Walmart didn't rise to the top by being the 'good guy'. Every company that becomes the behemoth in that field has done so through self-serving, competition-squashing methods. Can YOU, Beethoven, name any company that hasn't?


Please don't go off on a tangent like the guy I was responding to. No one is stupid enough to deny that Walmart views ALL other stores as a competitor. EVERY store views other stores that way, and for that matter, there's nothing to stop one mom-and-pop store from doing the same thing to another mom-and-pop store.

What I was responding to was a pseudo-intellectual who is completely dishonest and won't even admit that "selling a product at a loss" is a benefit to the consumer.
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November 30th, 2013 at 9:12:49 PM permalink
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Are you saying Standard Oil didn't aquire the competition by any means available and then raise prices? Baloney.



They were ruthless in obtaining the monopoly, but the point
was to control costs, not so much raise them. They were
in constant price wars with competitors, so the answer was
to have no competitors. Once Standard had over 90% of
the oil business, they could control production and sales costs.
What's fascinating is, we're talking kerosene here, not gasoline.
Gas had no uses until the 20th century, and the Standard trusts
were broken up in the 1890's. Rockefeller became the richest
man the world has ever known thru a product we rarely even
use anymore, yet was the best fuel for lighting at the end of the
1800's. He sold even more overseas than in the States.
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November 30th, 2013 at 9:13:46 PM permalink
There's a WalMart and a Target (albeit not right next to one another) at The Highlands in Dallas Pike, WV.

http://www.the-highlands.com/

In Saint Clairsville, OH, there is also a Kroger and a Wal-Mart which are in the same Ohio Valley Plaza and separated only by a little road in between them leading up to US-40. Here's a map:

http://www.thfrealty.com/docs/ohio-valley-plaza-site-plan.pdf

The map needs updated, though, Anytime Fitness is at Location #25 and has been for at least half a year. Fashion Bug has been closed for nearly a year, so I believe #7 is still vacant, although there may be something in there now. Alltel Communications, #13, is Verizon now. Whatever #19, Red Sky Wireless is supposed to be, that's not there, that space belongs to AT&T. Famous Hair, #21, has been closed for quite some time and has been some nail place for the last few months, in fact, I think the nail salon from #24 may have moved there, or there could be two nail places now.

I also don't know what they mean by, "Detention Facility," towards the bottom, there isn't anything at all there. It should also be, "Monro Muffler," not, "Monroe Muffler."

Aside from those seven of thirty-seven possible f***-ups, everything looks good. Whoever allegedly is tasked with managing that Plaza and keeping the website up-to-date needs to be fired immediately. Ugh.
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November 30th, 2013 at 9:13:59 PM permalink
the amount of dontions and supplies by the mom and pop stores were almost nothing...because the mom and pop strores had their own troubles. However a company made up of thousands of other stores worldwide has deeper pockets to help communities in distress. And not just communities in distress...but helping communities in good times as well. Because big corporations know that if the surrounding community deteriorates...so will their business'.
Target gives 5 percent of their profit to local communities for that reason...its a win/win policy.
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November 30th, 2013 at 9:15:05 PM permalink
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Yeah, I said in another thread that...."Yeah, of course they did! Poor black people in New Orleans are their base. You didn't see Rolex and Mercedes-Benz running to the aid of New Orleans."



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November 30th, 2013 at 9:21:00 PM permalink
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To quote Beethoven9th = "Google is your friend"

Sorry Beethoven, you just have to be beaten with your own stupid words.

LOL.

Mr. Tangent must be getting frustrated.

—First, he tried to ignore being called out on his s2pid statement about "selling products at a loss" not being a benefit to the consumer.
—Then he was speechless after he was asked to name just ONE instance of Walmart selling products at a higher price than a store that went out of business.
—Now he acts like he's a friend of mom-and-pop shops when we all know full well that the policies he supports (e.g., Obamacare) will put these same mom-and-pop shops out of business.

Keep digging yourself a deeper hole, dude...lol!
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