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"Amish" is like saying "Jewish." There are different levels of reform in differing sects. My experience is mostly just friendly waves as we drove by looking for, and I am not making this up, "the only non-Amish house on the block" for a sales call. Any group like that will probably be polite but cautious to outsiders. This comes off as "rude" to most Americans who are used to something warmer. My guess is Europeans would think it normal.
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To get to know the Amish you have to deal with them all the time like I did week after week after week for several years and you slowly come to learn that most of them think they're way better than you are, they're more religious, they have stricter morals, and they're basically doing you a favor by even talking to you. Some of them are very two-faced if they're in business because on the outside they seem all friendly and joking and accepting but that's because they want your money. Actually they feel nothing but disdain for you because that's what they've been taught. You are the 'English' even if you're Hispanic or Muslim or Asian, it means you're an outsider and as an outsider you can't be trusted or treated as an equal. You dig deep into their culture you find that they're just like all cults that are closed off. There is lots of pettiness and backbiting and all the things they say they're against. You see this in every cult if you manage to get on the inside. The picture they present to the world is not reality.
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So what your saying is they're just like all the other humans that join groups talk shit and think they're special.
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"Amish" is like saying "Jewish." There are different levels of reform in differing sects. My experience is mostly just friendly waves as we drove by looking for, and I am not making this up, "the only non-Amish house on the block" for a sales call. Any group like that will probably be polite but cautious to outsiders. This comes off as "rude" to most Americans who are used to something warmer. My guess is Europeans would think it normal.
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To get to know the Amish you have to deal with them all the time like I did week after week after week for several years and you slowly come to learn that most of them think they're way better than you are, they're more religious, they have stricter morals, and they're basically doing you a favor by even talking to you. Some of them are very two-faced if they're in business because on the outside they seem all friendly and joking and accepting but that's because they want your money. Actually they feel nothing but disdain for you because that's what they've been taught. You are the 'English' even if you're Hispanic or Muslim or Asian, it means you're an outsider and as an outsider you can't be trusted or treated as an equal. You dig deep into their culture you find that they're just like all cults that are closed off. There is lots of pettiness and backbiting and all the things they say they're against. You see this in every cult if you manage to get on the inside. The picture they present to the world is not reality.
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So what your saying is they're just like all the other humans that join groups talk shit and think they're special.
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That is basically it in a nutshell. Human nature is the same inside every cult no matter how lofty their ideals are. The less contact they have with the outside world means they only have each other to feed off of and that's never a good thing. You hear this from people who have left every cult in the world they all tell the same story.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: rainmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: AZDuffman
"Amish" is like saying "Jewish." There are different levels of reform in differing sects. My experience is mostly just friendly waves as we drove by looking for, and I am not making this up, "the only non-Amish house on the block" for a sales call. Any group like that will probably be polite but cautious to outsiders. This comes off as "rude" to most Americans who are used to something warmer. My guess is Europeans would think it normal.
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To get to know the Amish you have to deal with them all the time like I did week after week after week for several years and you slowly come to learn that most of them think they're way better than you are, they're more religious, they have stricter morals, and they're basically doing you a favor by even talking to you. Some of them are very two-faced if they're in business because on the outside they seem all friendly and joking and accepting but that's because they want your money. Actually they feel nothing but disdain for you because that's what they've been taught. You are the 'English' even if you're Hispanic or Muslim or Asian, it means you're an outsider and as an outsider you can't be trusted or treated as an equal. You dig deep into their culture you find that they're just like all cults that are closed off. There is lots of pettiness and backbiting and all the things they say they're against. You see this in every cult if you manage to get on the inside. The picture they present to the world is not reality.
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So what your saying is they're just like all the other humans that join groups talk shit and think they're special.
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That is basically it in a nutshell. Human nature is the same inside every cult no matter how lofty their ideals are. The less contact they have with the outside world means they only have each other to feed off of and that's never a good thing. You hear this from people who have left every cult in the world they all tell the same story.
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How often do you get out?
Quote: billryanQuote: EvenBobQuote: rainmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: AZDuffman
"Amish" is like saying "Jewish." There are different levels of reform in differing sects. My experience is mostly just friendly waves as we drove by looking for, and I am not making this up, "the only non-Amish house on the block" for a sales call. Any group like that will probably be polite but cautious to outsiders. This comes off as "rude" to most Americans who are used to something warmer. My guess is Europeans would think it normal.
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To get to know the Amish you have to deal with them all the time like I did week after week after week for several years and you slowly come to learn that most of them think they're way better than you are, they're more religious, they have stricter morals, and they're basically doing you a favor by even talking to you. Some of them are very two-faced if they're in business because on the outside they seem all friendly and joking and accepting but that's because they want your money. Actually they feel nothing but disdain for you because that's what they've been taught. You are the 'English' even if you're Hispanic or Muslim or Asian, it means you're an outsider and as an outsider you can't be trusted or treated as an equal. You dig deep into their culture you find that they're just like all cults that are closed off. There is lots of pettiness and backbiting and all the things they say they're against. You see this in every cult if you manage to get on the inside. The picture they present to the world is not reality.
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So what your saying is they're just like all the other humans that join groups talk shit and think they're special.
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That is basically it in a nutshell. Human nature is the same inside every cult no matter how lofty their ideals are. The less contact they have with the outside world means they only have each other to feed off of and that's never a good thing. You hear this from people who have left every cult in the world they all tell the same story.
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How often do you get out?
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So you feel like I'm wrong about the Amish? Feel free to enlighten us with your vast experience with them. I've dealt with them hundreds of times and you've done what, seen a documentary about them once and you're an expert? Seen a horse and buggy and they waved at you and that convinced you that they're wonderful?
Quote: EvenBobQuote: billryanQuote: EvenBobQuote: rainmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: AZDuffman
"Amish" is like saying "Jewish." There are different levels of reform in differing sects. My experience is mostly just friendly waves as we drove by looking for, and I am not making this up, "the only non-Amish house on the block" for a sales call. Any group like that will probably be polite but cautious to outsiders. This comes off as "rude" to most Americans who are used to something warmer. My guess is Europeans would think it normal.
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To get to know the Amish you have to deal with them all the time like I did week after week after week for several years and you slowly come to learn that most of them think they're way better than you are, they're more religious, they have stricter morals, and they're basically doing you a favor by even talking to you. Some of them are very two-faced if they're in business because on the outside they seem all friendly and joking and accepting but that's because they want your money. Actually they feel nothing but disdain for you because that's what they've been taught. You are the 'English' even if you're Hispanic or Muslim or Asian, it means you're an outsider and as an outsider you can't be trusted or treated as an equal. You dig deep into their culture you find that they're just like all cults that are closed off. There is lots of pettiness and backbiting and all the things they say they're against. You see this in every cult if you manage to get on the inside. The picture they present to the world is not reality.
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So what your saying is they're just like all the other humans that join groups talk shit and think they're special.
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That is basically it in a nutshell. Human nature is the same inside every cult no matter how lofty their ideals are. The less contact they have with the outside world means they only have each other to feed off of and that's never a good thing. You hear this from people who have left every cult in the world they all tell the same story.
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How often do you get out?
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So you feel like I'm wrong about the Amish? Feel free to enlighten us with your vast experience with them. I've dealt with them hundreds of times and you've done what, seen a documentary about them once and you're an expert? Seen a horse and buggy and they waved at you and that convinced you that they're wonderful?
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I'm sure you know every bit as much about the Amish as you do roulette and all the other things you try to edjumicate us on. One of my nearest neighbors in Bisbee practices one of the old faiths. The parents ride in a buggy but the kids drive cars. I can't say I know them beyond waving hello when we pass on the road.
I just appreciate the irony of a guy who harps about hardly ever leaving his house lecturing us about people who are only exposed to one point of view.
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So you feel like I'm wrong about the Amish? Feel free to enlighten us with your vast experience with them. I've dealt with them hundreds of times and you've done what, seen a documentary about them once and you're an expert? Seen a horse and buggy and they waved at you and that convinced you that they're wonderful?
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Way I see it they are not bothering anybody so why should I care? As to the "closed off" thing it seems no different than any ghetto-type* neighborhood over the years.Ever read how the FBI could never get info in the mafia because outsiders were not welcome in the neighborhood? Lots of people only want your business. I have heard of people making a good living being on the edge of an Amish area. Filling up a van with them and driving them to town for example.
*"Ghetto" in this form means of any one ethnic group, not the stereotype and derogatory use as is common now. Back in the day the Irish lived over here and the Italians over there, all were mostly closed to outsiders and called "ghettos."
Amish - first 20 times around Evenbob. Everything okay.
Amish, later, "Oh oh, here comes that Evenbob guy again, maybe he'll go away if we ignore him"
Evenbob, thought balloon. "Stuckup are they?" "how's that, I am the most congenial person in the world. Just ask me."
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So what your saying is they're just like all the other humans that join groups talk shit and think they're special.
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Quote: rxwineMaybe what really could have happened.
Amish - first 20 times around Evenbob. Everything okay.
Amish, later, "Oh oh, here comes that Evenbob guy again, maybe he'll go away if we ignore him"
Evenbob, thought balloon. "Stuckup are they?" "how's that, I am the most congenial person in the world. Just ask me."
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Actually I spoke to them very little but I had tons of observations of their interactions with other people. I don't talk to people when I'm in public places, I keep to myself and mind my own business. But I'm a keen observer of what goes on around me.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: rxwineMaybe what really could have happened.
Amish - first 20 times around Evenbob. Everything okay.
Amish, later, "Oh oh, here comes that Evenbob guy again, maybe he'll go away if we ignore him"
Evenbob, thought balloon. "Stuckup are they?" "how's that, I am the most congenial person in the world. Just ask me."
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Actually I spoke to them very little but I had tons of observations of their interactions with other people. I don't talk to people when I'm in public places, I keep to myself and mind my own business. But I'm a keen observer of what goes on around me.
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The quest for patterns is never-ending.
Twilight Zone episode re the one arm bandits - "The Fever"
one of the best episodes imo
"it's inhuman the way it lets you win a little and then takes it all back
it mocks you - it teases you"
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Twilight Zone episode re the one arm bandits - "The Fever"
one of the best episodes imo
the machine advertises " a special jackpot"__________$10,000__________quite a nice score for back in the day
Interesting in it is how he got advances by writing checks. Out of state checks cashed to go to the slots. I suppose if it was tied to a marker the casino couldn't lose. He pays it back if he wins and gets the check back. If he loses and the check bounces at least he lost all the money back.
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If he loses and the check bounces at least he lost all the money back.
if a person bounces checks it can (depending on various things) affect their credit score and impact their ability to get more credit
it can also cause them to have to pay a higher interest rate if they try to get a mortgage
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If he loses and the check bounces at least he lost all the money back.
if a person bounces checks it can (depending on various things) affect their credit score and impact their ability to get more credit
it can also cause them to have to pay a higher interest rate if they try to get a mortgage
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That's now. Episode was 60 years ago.
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If he loses and the check bounces at least he lost all the money back.
if a person bounces checks it can (depending on various things) affect their credit score and impact their ability to get more credit
it can also cause them to have to pay a higher interest rate if they try to get a mortgage
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At the time of the series, credit cards were almost non-existent, and you would get prosecuted for bouncing a check, especially if you didn't have the money in the account when the check was written. Believe it or not, FICO scores only date from the late 1980s. In the 1960s, the network that became Fair Issac sold information to their customers, but it generally wasn't available to the general public.
In the early 1960s, only a small minority of Americans had or needed credit cards. They did most of their shopping locally and some shops offered informal credit by allowing families to run tabs, but no one worried about something affecting their credit score.
Credit cards first circulated among the black community around Kansas City, and bankers declined to take it nationally because the belief was white folks were too proud to use credit cards. Banks started offing charge cards that needed to be paid in full each month and gradually offered extended terms. My parents had a charge card they used occasionally and a credit card I don't think they used.
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That address is just a few blocks from where I grew up. Big time memories.
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Diners Card was a charge card, not a credit card. They were very different things. Diners Card didn't offer terms until the late 80s. Before that, the bill was due in full each month. Amex was the same way. They had a separate Optima credit card that was fairly exclusive when they introduced it, but then they offered it to anyone.
That card looks like it is made of paper. Early Diners cards can be worth good money as many of the early members were celebrities and/or Captains of Industry.
Quote: EvenBobMy dad had a metal Sears card around 1960 and in the mid 60s he had several gas credit cards from Texaco and others. I don't remember ever seeing a credit card that let you buy things everywhere until the mid 70s and then they were hard to get. I moved to California in 1976 and had no credit cards and I owned the bar from 1979 to 1982 and we were not set up to take credit cards and nobody ever asked. We took personal checks from people that we knew, but even by 1980 credit cards were still not a big deal. I remember I used personal checks to buy everything and to pay all the bills. Safeway took personal checks but if it was over $25 it had to be personally approved by the assistant manager which means he had to know you because even then there was a huge problem with people writing bad checks in California.
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Those were charge cards, with full payment expected when billed. I got my first credit card from TWA in 1981. It was only good for TWA flights, but it let me pay off each flight in 12 payments. Amex gave me a charge card in 1982, but my first real credit card was in 1987, a MasterCard with a $5,000 limit. I actually treated a half dozen friends to dinner to celebrate. I had a lot to learn about credit cards, but I will say I rarely made the same mistake twice. Instead, I kept learning new ways to mess up.
BankAmericard was the first true credit card with revolving credit - it was launched in 1958
it was an all purpose card allowed in any store - but I don't know how many stores initially accepted it
they initially had a high delinquency rate - but persevered
they were later gobbled up by Visa
the first BankAmericards were made of paper - and I think about one year later changed to plastic
some big stores or a group of stores in a city issued a metal "Charga-Plate" for use just in their stores as early as 1928
At least they cleaned up some of the language, so someone doesn't need a lawyer to read the terms. And the lawyer doesn't need a Rosetta Stone to read the terms.
Quote: rxwineThe invention of the variable interest rate.
I searched it out
the average interest rate on a c.c. card now is about 22%
the very top rate on a bank CD right now is about 5.5%
c.c. rates are definitely usurious
I guess they have a partial excuse - they have to eat a lot of delinquencies
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: rxwineThe invention of the variable interest rate.
I searched it out
the average interest rate on a c.c. card now is about 22%
the very top rate on a bank CD right now is about 5.5%
c.c. rates are definitely usurious
I guess they have a partial excuse - they have to eat a lot of delinquencies
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Unsecured loans are definitely a risky business. I sure wouldn't be giving anyone an unsecured loan.
Quote: DRichQuote: lilredroosterQuote: rxwineThe invention of the variable interest rate.
I searched it out
the average interest rate on a c.c. card now is about 22%
the very top rate on a bank CD right now is about 5.5%
c.c. rates are definitely usurious
I guess they have a partial excuse - they have to eat a lot of delinquencies
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Unsecured loans are definitely a risky business. I sure wouldn't be giving anyone an unsecured loan.
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I have one Visa card from a Credit Union, that's doesn't do anything other than charge a penalty. Still in business without quadrupling the interest rates as a penalty.
Quote: DRichQuote: lilredroosterQuote: rxwineThe invention of the variable interest rate.
I searched it out
the average interest rate on a c.c. card now is about 22%
the very top rate on a bank CD right now is about 5.5%
c.c. rates are definitely usurious
I guess they have a partial excuse - they have to eat a lot of delinquencies
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Unsecured loans are definitely a risky business. I sure wouldn't be giving anyone an unsecured loan.
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There was a website years ago where you could bid on extending unsecured credit to people. Some had bad credit and you got 25% interest. But so many defaulted I just broke even on the experement.
The first big event and it was huge was showing The Wizard of Oz on TV for the first time in 1956 and then every year after that from 1959 to 1991 sometime during the holiday season usually around Thanksgiving. This was such a big deal that people talked about it for weeks before it came on, they had parties on the night it was shown. And this was in black and white, nobody had a color TV in the 1950s and it wasn't broadcast in color anyway. I remember the first time I saw the Wizard of Oz in color I think I cried, because I'd seen it so many times in black and white. Talk about a different time..
Quote: EvenBobThe second biggest event for me on television when I was a kid was the premiere of Saturday Night at the Movies in 1961 on NBC. Before that television had only been allowed to show movies made before 1950 but NBC got permission to show movies made after 1950 so we got to see blockbuster movies right in our own living room that were just in the movie theater a few years ago. This is the only time when my whole family gathered in front of the TV every week, popcorn in hand, to watch a show. It's where I saw for the first time movies like Some Like It Hot and The Day the Earth Stood Still and The Seven Year Itch. Even my dad was there and he never watched TV he always had his nose stuck in a book. This show was on from 1961 to 1978 that's how big a rating success it was.
The first big event and it was huge was showing The Wizard of Oz on TV for the first time in 1956 and then every year after that from 1959 to 1991 sometime during the holiday season usually around Thanksgiving. This was such a big deal that people talked about it for weeks before it came on, they had parties on the night it was shown. And this was in black and white, nobody had a color TV in the 1950s and it wasn't broadcast in color anyway. I remember the first time I saw the Wizard of Oz in color I think I cried, because I'd seen it so many times in black and white. Talk about a different time..
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"Wizard of Oz" was always on in spring in my time. During Catholic Lent as one year the school tied the theme of traveling to Oz to the Lent season and where it led. I guess they thought it was a good object lesson. As to me, I watch WoOz because we were supposed to, I was never that into it as a movie. I will give it that it has a few good lines. It was not until I could close caption it that I realized Mr. Blonde says "have some fire scarecrow" as he is going to burn up the cop and Mr. Orange shoots him to stop it.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobThe second biggest event for me on television when I was a kid was the premiere of Saturday Night at the Movies in 1961 on NBC. Before that television had only been allowed to show movies made before 1950 but NBC got permission to show movies made after 1950 so we got to see blockbuster movies right in our own living room that were just in the movie theater a few years ago. This is the only time when my whole family gathered in front of the TV every week, popcorn in hand, to watch a show. It's where I saw for the first time movies like Some Like It Hot and The Day the Earth Stood Still and The Seven Year Itch. Even my dad was there and he never watched TV he always had his nose stuck in a book. This show was on from 1961 to 1978 that's how big a rating success it was.
The first big event and it was huge was showing The Wizard of Oz on TV for the first time in 1956 and then every year after that from 1959 to 1991 sometime during the holiday season usually around Thanksgiving. This was such a big deal that people talked about it for weeks before it came on, they had parties on the night it was shown. And this was in black and white, nobody had a color TV in the 1950s and it wasn't broadcast in color anyway. I remember the first time I saw the Wizard of Oz in color I think I cried, because I'd seen it so many times in black and white. Talk about a different time..
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"Wizard of Oz" was always on in spring in my time. During Catholic Lent as one year the school tied the theme of traveling to Oz to the Lent season and where it led. I guess they thought it was a good object lesson. As to me, I watch WoOz because we were supposed to, I was never that into it as a movie. I will give it that it has a few good lines. It was not until I could close caption it that I realized Mr. Blonde says "have some fire scarecrow" as he is going to burn up the cop and Mr. Orange shoots him to stop it.
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I can't watch any part of The Wizard of Oz now it's boring and stupid beyond belief. But man oh man in the 1950s and 60s you didn't miss it it was one of a kind. And you couldn't watch it anytime you wanted you could only see it once a year because there was no Blockbuster rental, there was no streaming it wasn't in the movie theater somewhere. You saw it as a TV special and that was it.
OK, I'll bite, these characters, who the ___ are you talking about?Quote: AZDuffman
"Wizard of Oz" was always on in spring in my time. During Catholic Lent as one year the school tied the theme of traveling to Oz to the Lent season and where it led. I guess they thought it was a good object lesson. As to me, I watch WoOz because we were supposed to, I was never that into it as a movie. I will give it that it has a few good lines. It was not until I could close caption it that I realized Mr. Blonde says "have some fire scarecrow" as he is going to burn up the cop and Mr. Orange shoots him to stop it.
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Quote: odiousgambitOK, I'll bite, these characters, who the ___ are you talking about?Quote: AZDuffman
"Wizard of Oz" was always on in spring in my time. During Catholic Lent as one year the school tied the theme of traveling to Oz to the Lent season and where it led. I guess they thought it was a good object lesson. As to me, I watch WoOz because we were supposed to, I was never that into it as a movie. I will give it that it has a few good lines. It was not until I could close caption it that I realized Mr. Blonde says "have some fire scarecrow" as he is going to burn up the cop and Mr. Orange shoots him to stop it.
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Characters in the movie "Reservoir Dogs".
from the link:
"Mid-Atlantic colonials (1607-1775) might have bathed three or four times a year. New Englanders, on the other hand, may have only accomplished a body wash once a year. It was too cold to slip into a tub more often than that in their climate"
"after bathing they would usually get dressed in the same smelly clothes - doing laundry was a laborious task"
until 1840 indoor plumbing (toilets) were found only in the homes of the rich
the Tremont Hotel of Boston was the first hotel to offer guests indoor plumbing in 1829
https://www.graemepark.org/spring-cleaning-hygiene-in-colonial-times/#:~:text=Not%20so%20much.,than%20that%20in%20their%20climate.
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from the link:
"Mid-Atlantic colonials might have bathed three or four times a year. New Englanders, on the other hand, may have only accomplished a body wash once a year. It was too cold to slip into a tub more often than that in their climate"
"after bathing they would usually get dressed in the same smelly clothes - doing laundry was a laborious task"
until 1840 indoor plumbing (toilets) were found only in the homes of the rich
the Tremont Hotel of Boston was the first hotel to offer guests indoor plumbing in 1829
https://www.graemepark.org/spring-cleaning-hygiene-in-colonial-times/#:~:text=Not%20so%20much.,than%20that%20in%20their%20climate.
It's a fact that if you could time travel to any place in Europe or the United States before 1900 the first thing you would notice is how badly everybody smelled. They didn't just smell they stank to high heaven because they didn't bathe and they didn't wash their clothes very often. Europeans imported spices from the Far East not to use in their food but to make their bodies smell better because even their own stink drove them crazy. Visiting these places in the past would not be fun and you would never get used to it, because the people who lived there in those times found it repugnant. You could clean yourself up and not dump your chamber pot out your window into the street but how do you clean up everybody else. Especially when the Christian religion at the time taught that bathing was bad for you.
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Quote: FatGeezusQuote: odiousgambitOK, I'll bite, these characters, who the ___ are you talking about?Quote: AZDuffman
"Wizard of Oz" was always on in spring in my time. During Catholic Lent as one year the school tied the theme of traveling to Oz to the Lent season and where it led. I guess they thought it was a good object lesson. As to me, I watch WoOz because we were supposed to, I was never that into it as a movie. I will give it that it has a few good lines. It was not until I could close caption it that I realized Mr. Blonde says "have some fire scarecrow" as he is going to burn up the cop and Mr. Orange shoots him to stop it.
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Characters in the movie "Reservoir Dogs".
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Correct.
And does anyone else think Mr. Pink might soon make parole?
It was weird for me because I used WordPerfect 5.0 all thru college and right as I graduated the world shifted to Word almost as if on plan.
the Warns war circa 1345 was between Holland and the Frisians who were an indigenous ethnic group located in the coastal regions of the Netherlands and northwestern Germany
William IV the Count of Holland prepared to conquer Middle Frisia - he failed and was killed - they were routed by the Frisians
it was war where no guns or explosives of any kind were available
they killed each other with swords and javelins
up close and personal - so very brutal - at least with guns the soldiers get some distance from the dirty deeds
although they had muskets, swords were issued to soldiers in the American Revolution and the Civil War
it wasn't until after WW1 that they stopped being issued to troops
the Patton cavalry saber was the last sword issued to U.S. military personnel in 1918
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The Conquerors by Phyllis McGinley
It seems vainglorious and proud
Of Atom-man to boast aloud
His prowess homicidal
When one remembers how for years,
With their rude stones and humble spears,
Our sires, at wiping out their peers,
Were almost never idle.
Despite his under-fissioned art
The Hittite made a splendid start
Toward smiting lesser nations;
While Tamerlane, it’s widely known,
Without a bomb to call his own
Destroyed whole populations.
Nor did the ancient Persian need
Uranium to kill his Mede,
The Viking earl, his foeman.
The Greeks got excellent results
With swords and engined catapults.
A chariot served the Roman.
Mere cannon garnered quite a yield
On Waterloo’s tempestuous field.
At Hastings and at Flodden
Stout countrymen, with just a bow
And arrow, laid their thousands low.
And Gettysburg was sodden.
Though doubtless now our shrewd machines
Can blow the world to smithereens
More tidily and so on,
Let’s give our ancestors their due.
Their ways were course, their weapons few.
But ah! How wondrously they slew
With what they had to go on.
Enjoy!
Dog Hand
Hogwash.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DieterQuote: AZDuffman
As to the machines, there was push for front loaders for some reason starting about 20 years ago. I'll keep my top loader thanks much.
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I believe the geometry of a front loader allows fully saturating the material to be cleaned with less water than a top-load design.
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Might be. I remember in college reading how detergent in the USA and Germany had to be different because the Germans used about half the water but way, way hotter. Meanwhile Americans needed to see suds even if they mean little.
That being said, I will likely always prefer the top-load I have always used. Easier to load and unload.
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Time is the thing you have to use wisely because you can't replace it you can only spend it so be very careful about what you spend it on. Watching clothes dry is not my idea of time well spent nor is doing laundry one small load at a time.
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It can't possibly be a wise time saver or convenience. Perhaps you just need some actual human contact and have convinced yourself laundromating is the bee's knees.
You have to get ready, get dressed(more laundry), blow out your candles, gather your laundry stuff, find the keys, and lock the doors, perhaps you don't lock them, who knows, but whatever rituals you go through to leave the house(No, you weren't planning on going out anyways). Load the laundry in the car, travel to the place, and haul it all in.
Now you spend all that time just waiting in the laundromat(and don't tell me you're the type of guy to leave your stuff unattended). That time waiting limits what you can actually do. Unless you enjoy hanging out at the laundromat you are on an interrupted time schedule dictated by the machines (You'll not catch the end of that Andy Griffith Show you forgot the ending to)
Now you have to haul the laundry out to the car, unload it from the car, and then haul it in. When Doing laundry at home, you can just toss it in the washer and add it to the dryer at your convenience while doing whatever you want uninterrupted.
Unless you are washing 15 30-year-old cat-soiled/hair-filled ugly afghan blankets or have some strange sweating problem, bladder/butt problem, how much laundry can you possibly have?
You live alone, do you really even need to change your clothing that often? Do you even need to wear clothing just to sit around posting on forums and losing at online roulette all day?
Overalls work just fine for yard work or whatever, no underwear is needed. Heck, I don't think I have worn underwear since my last day at my real job in the early '90s (Oh, perhaps one time while skiing, or another time I may have forgotten about)
Buy some jeans and wash them whenever they are dirty or smell bad, I guess that's hard to say if you have a clowder of smelly, in-heat feral cats urinating on everything(?).
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Loved it: it made me the man I am today.
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I gotta say I was never into it like some people were. It has funny parts, but not to make me want to subscribe or anything.
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As to the machines, there was push for front loaders for some reason starting about 20 years ago. I'll keep my top loader thanks much.
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I believe the geometry of a front loader allows fully saturating the material to be cleaned with less water than a top-load design.
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Might be. I remember in college reading how detergent in the USA and Germany had to be different because the Germans used about half the water but way, way hotter. Meanwhile Americans needed to see suds even if they mean little.
That being said, I will likely always prefer the top-load I have always used. Easier to load and unload.
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Time is the thing you have to use wisely because you can't replace it you can only spend it so be very careful about what you spend it on. Watching clothes dry is not my idea of time well spent nor is doing laundry one small load at a time.
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It can't possibly be a wise time saver or convenience. Perhaps you just need some actual human contact and have convinced yourself laundromating is the bee's knees.
You have to get ready, get dressed(more laundry), blow out your candles, gather your laundry stuff, find the keys, and lock the doors, perhaps you don't lock them, who knows, but whatever rituals you go through to leave the house(No, you weren't planning on going out anyways). Load the laundry in the car, travel to the place, and haul it all in.
Now you spend all that time just waiting in the laundromat(and don't tell me you're the type of guy to leave your stuff unattended). That time waiting limits what you can actually do. Unless you enjoy hanging out at the laundromat you are on an interrupted time schedule dictated by the machines (You'll not catch the end of that Andy Griffith Show you forgot the ending to)
Now you have to haul the laundry out to the car, unload it from the car, and then haul it in. When Doing laundry at home, you can just toss it in the washer and add it to the dryer at your convenience while doing whatever you want uninterrupted.
Unless you are washing 15 30-year-old cat-soiled/hair-filled ugly afghan blankets or have some strange sweating problem, bladder/butt problem, how much laundry can you possibly have?
You live alone, do you really even need to change your clothing that often? Do you even need to wear clothing just to sit around posting on forums and losing at online roulette all day?
Overalls work just fine for yard work or whatever, no underwear is needed. Heck, I don't think I have worn underwear since my last day at my real job in the early '90s (Oh, perhaps one time while skiing, or another time I may have forgotten about)
Buy some jeans and wash them whenever they are dirty or smell bad, I guess that's hard to say if you have a clowder of smelly, in-heat feral cats urinating on everything(?).
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Early candidate for post of the year!
I think I’d be pretty uncomfortable without underwear on!?
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As to the machines, there was push for front loaders for some reason starting about 20 years ago. I'll keep my top loader thanks much.
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I believe the geometry of a front loader allows fully saturating the material to be cleaned with less water than a top-load design.
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Might be. I remember in college reading how detergent in the USA and Germany had to be different because the Germans used about half the water but way, way hotter. Meanwhile Americans needed to see suds even if they mean little.
That being said, I will likely always prefer the top-load I have always used. Easier to load and unload.
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Time is the thing you have to use wisely because you can't replace it you can only spend it so be very careful about what you spend it on. Watching clothes dry is not my idea of time well spent nor is doing laundry one small load at a time.
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It can't possibly be a wise time saver or convenience. Perhaps you just need some actual human contact and have convinced yourself laundromating is the bee's knees.
You have to get ready, get dressed(more laundry), blow out your candles, gather your laundry stuff, find the keys, and lock the doors, perhaps you don't lock them, who knows, but whatever rituals you go through to leave the house(No, you weren't planning on going out anyways). Load the laundry in the car, travel to the place, and haul it all in.
Now you spend all that time just waiting in the laundromat(and don't tell me you're the type of guy to leave your stuff unattended). That time waiting limits what you can actually do. Unless you enjoy hanging out at the laundromat you are on an interrupted time schedule dictated by the machines (You'll not catch the end of that Andy Griffith Show you forgot the ending to)
Now you have to haul the laundry out to the car, unload it from the car, and then haul it in. When Doing laundry at home, you can just toss it in the washer and add it to the dryer at your convenience while doing whatever you want uninterrupted.
Unless you are washing 15 30-year-old cat-soiled/hair-filled ugly afghan blankets or have some strange sweating problem, bladder/butt problem, how much laundry can you possibly have?
You live alone, do you really even need to change your clothing that often? Do you even need to wear clothing just to sit around posting on forums and losing at online roulette all day?
Overalls work just fine for yard work or whatever, no underwear is needed. Heck, I don't think I have worn underwear since my last day at my real job in the early '90s (Oh, perhaps one time while skiing, or another time I may have forgotten about)
Buy some jeans and wash them whenever they are dirty or smell bad, I guess that's hard to say if you have a clowder of smelly, in-heat feral cats urinating on everything(?).
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Early candidate for post of the year!
I think I’d be pretty uncomfortable without underwear on!?
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You have to start wearing pants before you go without them.
Quote: TigerWuI can't wrap my head around people in the past not bathing or washing their clothes. Like, obviously they would realize that bathing and washing dramatically cut down on smells, and surely some of the smarter people would realize they didn't get sick as much, so you'd think they'd at least go for a dunk in the river a few times a week. It just seems like common sense.
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Quote:Europeans of the early modern age were as obsessed with cleanliness as anyone. But English theologian John Wesley’s maxim that "cleanliness is, indeed, next to Godliness” didn’t extend to rinsing grime from the body. In fact, westerners of his era believed bathing was downright dangerous. They feared that if they submerged themselves in water, they risked toxins infiltrating the body through its pores. Instead, they changed their shirts frequently and took “dry baths,” wiping themselves down with cloth.
Such habits persisted well into the 19th century, until bathing entered its current renaissance. With advances in plumbing technology and water infrastructure, more and more Americans installed tubs and showers in their homes, ringing in the regime of private, daily baths. Perceptions of bathing shifted toward widespread acceptance and, eventually, the supposed superiority of consistent washing.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/a-history-of-bathing-it-hasnt-always-been-about-hygiene
