Discussion about the Suspension List
LOL.... It will make HB feel better, I guess.Quote: AxiomOfChoice
One person who said that she was never coming back is upset about being suspended (huh?) so you're suspending someone else who was last online in October?
I feel like I missed a key episode of this show somewhere along the line.
So no statutes of limitations on WoV?
Quote: AxelWolfSo no statutes of limitations on WoV?
Nope. I've never done a ban over anything so old before, but it will help HB a lot more than it hurts Dorothy.
We can all sleep a little better tonight knowing justice was served. Now who is going to tell Dorthy?Quote: WizardNope. I've never done a ban over anything so old before, but it will help HB a lot more than it hurts Dorothy.
I think it should be annulled and not just reversed.Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: soxfanQuote: beachbumbabsAxelWolf is suspended for 3 days for this post .
The AxelWolf is a decent cat and I'm certain that the slight was inadvertent in nature, hey hey.
That's my impression, too, soxfan, as I said. Working on it.
Edit: I have verified to my satisfaction that what Axel said was a typo and not intended to read as it did. The thread has been edited and the ban reversed.
The attitude toward mental illness as something to be ashamed of is a huge part of what's keeping society from getting patients much-needed treatment.
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: soxfanQuote: beachbumbabsAxelWolf is suspended for 3 days for this post .
The AxelWolf is a decent cat and I'm certain that the slight was inadvertent in nature, hey hey.
That's my impression, too, soxfan, as I said. Working on it.
Edit: I have verified to my satisfaction that what Axel said was a typo and not intended to read as it did. The thread has been edited and the ban reversed.
When "Who was babs first ever suspension?" comes up at the next trivia contest, this is sure to cause confusion. The likes of which we haven't seen since the Montgomery/Richmond debacle.
Quote: sodawaterIt's no more insulting to say someone has a psychological disorder than it is to say she has a sprained ankle.
On your planet, maybe. Not on this one..
Quote: EvenBobOn your planet, maybe. Not on this one..
What is inherently more offensive about a mental illness based on biology than a sprained ankle based on biology? They are both based on cells and chemicals. What, exactly, is offensive in one and not the other?
Quote: TranscendQuote: beachbumbabsAxelWolf is suspended for 3 days for this post .
How much did he pay you to do this, and I hope he gave you some action on his parley.
You're too clever for the merrie pranksters, Transcend! I'm pretty sure it was a "welcome to your new job" prank. All good with me. If Axel made some money on it, he didn't cut me in, but if he claimed to be the first, well.....lol
Quote: beachbumbabs
Edit: I have verified to my satisfaction that what Axel said was a typo and not intended to read as it did. The thread has been edited and the ban reversed.
Good call!
Quote: EvenBobAh, the typo defense, good to know. Not exactly the
Nurenberg defense, but it will do.
Um...With all due respect to Axelwolf, I'm not sure he is renowned on this Forum for being the most accurate typist. If that post were to come from me, just for one example, I could certainly understand a Suspension given my 99%+ typing accuracy. The, 'n' is pretty close to the 'g,' by the way.
Quote: Mission146Um...With all due respect to Axelwolf, I'm not sure he is renowned on this Forum for being the most accurate typist. If that post were to come from me, just for one example, I could certainly understand a Suspension given my 99%+ typing accuracy. The, 'n' is pretty close to the 'g,' by the way.
Especially if he's using Swype. I can see someone sloppily swiping from the 'F' to the 'A' and then inadvertently stopping short of the 'N' and ending on the 'G'.
Quote: WizardNormally I don't like to issue suspensions over old stuff, but I hope HotBlonde won't mind me saying that she is just livid over her seven-day suspension. As part of her argument on the injustice of it all was this two-year old post by DorothyGale, which said she has a "psychological disorder."
I would have to agree that is on par with saying SOOPOO "isn't a nice guy" so I'm giving Dorothy three days as her first offense. In response, Dorothy asked to state the following:
I feel like this is absolutely ridiculous, and what I am about to say may get me a suspension but I feel it needs to be said.
As quoted here
Quote: HotBlondeThis isn't a competition. All you guys look for is women you want to fuck and to be honest with you most of her type of women wouldn't even want your sorry asses in the first place. So for you to take my compliment to her and turn it around as an insult to me is not only rude but shows just how reprehensible, as the Wizard put it, you guys are. Shame on you for trying to shame a woman! I posted a nice picture a while back in honor of my friend Michael and his website and you used my post of that as a way to try and degrade me. **** you and shame on you.
The bold text I feel should contribute to the suspension, the italicized text would be in reference to this post
Quote: HotBlondeMe saying I didn't think JJ is real was my initial guess. I'm entitled to my opinion just like every one else. If she's real then that's great. I didn't see the picture you're talking about. If she lives in LA I'd love to meet up with her.
I posted a picture a while back with "I <3 WoV" but how I don't remember where I posted it. I'm sure my pic wasn't as sexy as JJ's.
I feel bringing up she posted a similar picture was unnecessary and baiting hoping someone would agree with her self deprecating statement. She could have just left it that she posted a similar picture or that she thought that JJ was very nice. There was no need for a comparison.
Quote: HotBlondeThis isn't a competition. All you guys look for is...
She made it in to a competition when she made the comparison and it is not as if anyone said anything worse than agreeing with her.
That is all I have to say on HotBlonde's suspension, now for DorothyGales retroactive suspension. First to suspend someone over something from two years ago is ludicrous and second for the affected party to harbor a grudge for two years over what was said is evidence that what was said is a true assertion.
Quote: DorothyGaleDagger? I wish HB the best on her quest ... it is extraordinarly tough to lose weight for women, for most it is a lifelong struggle. This struggle is more than physical and for many requires introspection and self-awareness as part of the journey ... that HB conducts this struggle in a public forum gives permission to diagnose her disorder fully at all levels, not just as an overweight woman, but as a woman who has a combination of issues that all contribute to her weight ... in this case, she has an evident psychological disorder that accompanies her weight issue ... perhaps dealing more directly with the psychological disorder and its cause will make the weight loss much easier for her ...
DorothyGales statement here is very true and most weight loss comes down to a psychological aspect. Eating disorders, of eating too much or too little are psychological and often contribute to difficult weight loss or gain. Second, albeit may have been hard to hear, she was just trying to help HB figure out how to properly lose the weight and keep it off.
Further evidence of what I feel may point to said psychological order can be seen in this post and how I feel each point is unjustifiable. Said post
She chose to air everything here in public--when you do that, you will get some negative comments along with some positive ones. Thin skin is not an option.
I think suspending someone for something that was said two years ago just to satisfy someone who is upset with a current suspension is stretching it--does that mean someone could find a vague insult that I have made (not that I remember one) and ask that I could be suspended for something that was not even an issue at the time?
HB's thread caused the most suspensions around here at one point. That isn't exactly a badge of honor.
Anyway, Transcend set it all and said it well. I hope he doesn't get suspended for sharing his thoughts on the issue.
The fact that you think there is a possibility of getting suspended for what you just said........ Says something.Quote: TranscendQuote: WizardNormally I don't like to issue suspensions over old stuff, but I hope HotBlonde won't mind me saying that she is just livid over her seven-day suspension. As part of her argument on the injustice of it all was this two-year old post by DorothyGale, which said she has a "psychological disorder."
I would have to agree that is on par with saying SOOPOO "isn't a nice guy" so I'm giving Dorothy three days as her first offense. In response, Dorothy asked to state the following:
I feel like this is absolutely ridiculous, and what I am about to say may get me a suspension but I feel it needs to be said.First I believe more than just the "not a nice guy" should have factored in to the suspension.
As quoted hereQuote: HotBlondeThis isn't a competition. All you guys look for is women you want to fuck and to be honest with you most of her type of women wouldn't even want your sorry asses in the first place. So for you to take my compliment to her and turn it around as an insult to me is not only rude but shows just how reprehensible, as the Wizard put it, you guys are. Shame on you for trying to shame a woman! I posted a nice picture a while back in honor of my friend Michael and his website and you used my post of that as a way to try and degrade me. **** you and shame on you.
The bold text I feel should contribute to the suspension, the italicized text would be in reference to this post
I feel bringing up she posted a similar picture was unnecessary and baiting hoping someone would agree with her self deprecating statement. She could have just left it that she posted a similar picture or that she thought that JJ was very nice. There was no need for a comparison.
She made it in to a competition when she made the comparison and it is not as if anyone said anything worse than agreeing with her.
That is all I have to say on HotBlonde's suspension, now for DorothyGales retroactive suspension. First to suspend someone over something from two years ago is ludicrous and second for the affected party to harbor a grudge for two years over what was said is evidence that what was said is a true assertion.Quote: DorothyGaleDagger? I wish HB the best on her quest ... it is extraordinarly tough to lose weight for women, for most it is a lifelong struggle. This struggle is more than physical and for many requires introspection and self-awareness as part of the journey ... that HB conducts this struggle in a public forum gives permission to diagnose her disorder fully at all levels, not just as an overweight woman, but as a woman who has a combination of issues that all contribute to her weight ... in this case, she has an evident psychological disorder that accompanies her weight issue ... perhaps dealing more directly with the psychological disorder and its cause will make the weight loss much easier for her ...
DorothyGales statement here is very true and most weight loss comes down to a psychological aspect. Eating disorders, of eating too much or too little are psychological and often contribute to difficult weight loss or gain. Second, albeit may have been hard to hear, she was just trying to help HB figure out how to properly lose the weight and keep it off.
Further evidence of what I feel may point to said psychological order can be seen in this post and how I feel each point is unjustifiable. Said post
Perhaps some people can sense when the Wizard is in a mood.
Or perhaps you are scared of the new moderator.
Quote: beachbumbabsI could well be overruled, but I see nothing in Transcend's post that is suspension-worthy, though it's obviously a sensitive subject.
Kudos. Passed the first test on objectivity. :-)
If i were to call you a ban-hammer would that be a personal insult? I was going to make a joke but then I had to wonder if it was an insult.Quote: beachbumbabsI could well be overruled, but I see nothing in Transcend's post that is suspension-worthy, though it's obviously a sensitive subject.
This rant by poker player Danial N. There is a funny part in it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxaQnv0GVUQ im not saying it apply's here, but it reminded me of the ban-hammer thing.
HotBlonde was suspended on 2/16 and there she is on DT doing just that and it wasn't a typo. Instead of enforcing the rules one of our administrators joins in the discussion with her. Now we're digging up two year old posts and issuing suspensions.
Great way to celebrate the new appointees.
Quote: EvenBobOn your planet, maybe. Not on this one..
First of all... I do NOT want EvenBob suspended for this personal insult. There can be no argument that calling someone 'from another planet' in response to them making a point, is a personal insult. But comments like this are the salsa that goes with the chips. If we only had chips here at this party, who would want to be at this party?
As far as HB posting on DT to bemoan her suspension here on WoV, yes, it is a clear and blatant violation of the rules. I believe the Wiz has used the nuclear option in the past. I agree with those that think HB should NOT have been suspended for calling me 'not a nice guy'. Of course it is a mild personal insult, but one I am willing to take, and defend myself against it if I felt it was necessary.
I am guessing you will find dozens of such 'personal insults' if you scour the threads between B9 and s2. I am not interested in doing so.
Axelwolf is one sly guy! He is climbing to the top of my 'favorite WoV posters' list! On my computer there is an HB between the N and the G!
Quote: 1BBDT Rule 15: A ban on either site will apply to both sites, and it makes no difference if you use different names. If you're banned on one site, and complain on the other during the ban, we will take strong action.
HotBlonde was suspended on 2/16 and there she is on DT doing just that and it wasn't a typo. Instead of enforcing the rules one of our administrators joins in the discussion with her. Now we're digging up two year old posts and issuing suspensions.
Great way to celebrate the new appointees.
And pretty good if not great entertainment... ;-)
Quote: 1BBDT Rule 15: A ban on either site will apply to both sites, and it makes no difference if you use different names. If you're banned on one site, and complain on the other during the ban, we will take strong action.
HotBlonde was suspended on 2/16 and there she is on DT doing just that and it wasn't a typo. Instead of enforcing the rules one of our administrators joins in the discussion with her. Now we're digging up two year old posts and issuing suspensions.
Great way to celebrate the new appointees.
1.) Since you like hanging out at Diversity Tomorrow so much, please join me in my campaign to more actively post there!
2.) I am waiting for the Wizard to determine said, "Strong action," over at DT. I don't feel right exercising Administration over there as I was not active on that site until, you know, yesterday.
3.) It's Diversity Tomorrow, who the Hell really cares? Do you truly care? I hope not. How many active posters are over there, four-and-a-half? I think that Rule was made when the expectation was that Forum to be a bit more active.
4.) I don't personally know anything about the DorothyGale Suspension, but it is a Suspension of a Member who herself seems to have no problem with taking a three-day Suspension. It seems the Wizard discussed Suspending her for said comment before actually doing it. Seems symbolic, but I don't know the backstory.
That having been said, I can assure everyone here that nobody else has to worry about retroactive Suspensions. My limit is generally catching something within two days, unless someone goes back and self-Edits an earlier post, that's obviously different.
Quote: AxelWolfThe fact that you think there is a possibility of getting suspended for what you just said........ Says something.
Perhaps some people can sense when the Wizard is in a mood.
Or perhaps you are scared of the new moderator.
It is a sensitive subject, and all of this started because of different people's perceptions of over the line. What I said may seem harmless to some, others could see it another way.
Quote: Mission1461.) 4.) I don't personally know anything about the DorothyGale Suspension, but it is a Suspension of a Member who herself seems to have no problem with taking a three-day Suspension.
Hard to believe she'd care as from reading the non-blocked threads her posting has been very sporadic over the last few months, this after a rather lengthy hiatus. Don't recall if there was drama that precipitated the prior break. Having no statute of limitations on posts is a bit awkward. Just my opinion, and I do know what opinions are like...;-(
There is a lot of back story you don't know about but I think I have about 20 additional grey hairs over the latest HB suspension. I should just quit dying my hair and go completely grey after this.
I've never had to enforce this before, but a suspension here also applies to DT. I just suspended HB at DT as well, to end when the WoV suspension ends.
Finally, I wish to say that a "truthful statement" is not necessarily a defense for making a personal insult. For example, saying that SOOPOO is "not a nice guy" is subjective. One could provide dozens of examples why he isn't nice (*sigh*) but I'm not here to judge character. The "truthful statement" might only be considered a valid defense if the victim of the alleged insult already admitted to whatever was said.
Quote: sodawaterWhy is it a personal insult to say someone has a psychological disorder? Mental illnesses are real and they are nothing to be ashamed of. It's no more insulting to say someone has a psychological disorder than it is to say she has a sprained ankle.
The attitude toward mental illness as something to be ashamed of is a huge part of what's keeping society from getting patients much-needed treatment.
I believe the accuracy or inaccuracy is less important than the intent, in these cases.
Edited to add: after seeing the context of the use of "psychological disorder" I have to say that I see no intent to insult. The insult is in discussing HB as if she were not there, during a discussion where the whole point is to interact with her. But that is more the nature of the relationship between the two members than it is the topic being discussed. They don't like each other.
Try it, you'll like it -- the women will swarm you... ;-)Quote: WizardI should just quit dying my hair and go completely grey after this.
Quote: Mission146
4.) I don't personally know anything about the DorothyGale Suspension, but it is a Suspension of a Member who herself seems to have no problem with taking a three-day Suspension. It seems the Wizard discussed Suspending her for said comment before actually doing it. Seems symbolic, but I don't know the backstory.
I think Dorothy sees internet forums as trivial diversions and not worth the time. (I see them as trivial diversions and worth the time, since my life is incredibly dull.) A suspension for Dorothy is like me getting banned from The Association of Rodeo Clowns.
Also, the rules are posted for all to see. HB was responsible for knowing that posting on DT during a suspension here was not allowed. She did it anyway. What is the penalty that was assessed to her for that second infraction of the rules?
Quote: rdw4potusI'm very confused.
Tell me about it!
My head is spinning after the past two days of rules changes that are discussed but not voted upon (and I get why), a battalion of admins out of the closet to enforce the rules changes that are or are not in effect that many don't understand anyway (members, not necessarily admins), retroactive suspensions of people who were voluntarily not coming back for post ad hominen non-ad hominem questionable attacks whose effectivity dates had not yet arrived, and the unprecedented rise in activity over at DT that can only be a harbinger of the ultimate fall of Western Civilization...
Quote: Mission1461.) Since you like hanging out at Diversity Tomorrow so much, please join me in my campaign to more actively post there!
2.) I am waiting for the Wizard to determine said, "Strong action," over at DT. I don't feel right exercising Administration over there as I was not active on that site until, you know, yesterday.
3.) It's Diversity Tomorrow, who the Hell really cares? Do you truly care? I hope not. How many active posters are over there, four-and-a-half? I think that Rule was made when the expectation was that Forum to be a bit more active.
4.) I don't personally know anything about the DorothyGale Suspension, but it is a Suspension of a Member who herself seems to have no problem with taking a three-day Suspension. It seems the Wizard discussed Suspending her for said comment before actually doing it. Seems symbolic, but I don't know the backstory.
That having been said, I can assure everyone here that nobody else has to worry about retroactive Suspensions. My limit is generally catching something within two days, unless someone goes back and self-Edits an earlier post, that's obviously different.
1.) I hardly ever visit there. If it would help the site I would consider joining. Would it help the site if I joined and never posted? In other words, to raise the membership level and make the site more appealing to prospective members?
2.) Rules are rules. Enforce them or change them.
3.) See 2.
The suspension of Dorothy is going to make people uncomfortable and cause them to look over their shoulders whether they admit it or not. What's to stop these people from going back years and editing or even deleting posts in their entirety? What would this forum look like then?
Are you taking suggestions for topics to be moved to DT? May I suggest the GLBT Corner? Other than gay Miatas and electrolysis there has been very little activity there in the last eighteen months. Another reason is what the D in DT stands for. Seems like a good fit for more discussion. I'll even get the ball rolling.
A 64 year old Massachusetts man serving a life sentence for murdering his wife has been granted a sex-change operation to be paid for by the taxpayers of which I am one, since I own property in that state. Only in liberal Taxachusetts where one newspaper is even referring to this criminal as a she. Too bad no one can do that for his wife.
Quote: rdw4potusI'm very confused. HB was suspended for saying that Soopoo was not a nice guy, and not for her profanity-laced generalization about men and sex? I was highly offended by that second post. Why are we ignoring that second post when it would appear to be much farther over the line (and thus alleviating the need to quibble about the subjectivity of assessing Soopoo's assishness).
Because ther eare no rules about such things. if there were, we'd drive the board into a wall. consider what ahs been said about GLBT, Christianity, AP and other groups. To paraphrase the Wizard, "men and sex are not me,bers of this forum."
Quote:Also, the rules are posted for all to see. HB was responsible for knowing that posting on DT during a suspension here was not allowed. She did it anyway. What is the penalty that was assessed to her for that second infraction of the rules?
1) Not everyone reads the rules
2) The admins here are responsible for barring her from DT if they so choose. Absent that, one can reasonably apply the general principle "that which is not forbidden is allowed."
Who is really harmed by a suspension? This is an internet forum where we use aliases and with a few notable exceptions, no one really knows who we are anyway. And even if they did, getting a suspension here shouldn't really keep anyone up at night.
I understand many like to discuss, disect, second guess, and provide their own opinions, but at the end of the day, the only people who really matter are the Wizard and the moderators and my hat is off to them for the overall great job they do in maintaing civility on this board.
Nareed has been suspended for personal insult and more importantly an enforced truce violation with this post at DT.
Keep in mind that for purposes of the rules, it is like both sites are one site.
Stay tuned for sentencing.
Quote: NareedBecause ther eare no rules about such things. if there were, we'd drive the board into a wall. consider what ahs been said about GLBT, Christianity, AP and other groups. To paraphrase the Wizard, "men and sex are not me,bers of this forum."
There actually is a rule against profanity. I know that because I've been suspended for cursing:-) That rule was undeniably violated in HB's post.
Quote: SOOPOOI am guessing you will find dozens of such 'personal insults' if you scour the threads between B9 and s2.
No way! s2 can be very crude. I'm a lot more creative & funny, but never crude...hehehehe ;)
Quote: Beethoven9thNo way! s2 can be very crude. I'm a lot more creative & funny, but never crude...hehehehe ;)
You're saying this like these are exclusive conditions. I think you should go for creative & funny & crude:-)
Quote: WizardI should just quit dying my hair and go completely grey after this.
Just a suggestion, but could we append the thread title to be "Discussion about the Suspension List and Dyeing"?
Not exactly off-topic because suspensions are a form of dying.
I'm interested in dyeing my chest hair. As you can see below, I think it gives a "finished" look:
Thanks in advance.
It's just one big knees up
A night on the town, a storm in a teacup
(More like a teacup in a storm)
Quote: sodawaterWhy is it a personal insult to say someone has a psychological disorder? Mental illnesses are real and they are nothing to be ashamed of. It's no more insulting to say someone has a psychological disorder than it is to say she has a sprained ankle.
The attitude toward mental illness as something to be ashamed of is a huge part of what's keeping society from getting patients much-needed treatment.
Because no matter how well intended the remark may be, people still look at mental illness as something to be ashamed of. And it ain't gonna change anytime soon. Trust me, I have more experience is this area than I should have. Josie goes to church every Sunday, tithes to the church, will help anybody in trouble anytime, etc. Knowing her husband, I know she is an angel.
She does not put history of mental illness on any application. My daughter Melanie Ann is on disability for schizo-effective, so she get looked down on twice, mental illness and collecting a check from the government. A whopping $551 a month. She went to culinary school with me and Josie to become a baker. Hard times funding a job, but she is trying. Her husband recently lost his job and they received TANEF. Past tense, he now works 3 days a week, minimum wage. Instead of TANEF.
Sorry for the RANT, but put mental illness on a job app, or tell somebody you had ECT and see what happens.
Quote: Mission1463.) It's Diversity Tomorrow, who the Hell really cares? Do you truly care?
Quote: MoscaA suspension for Dorothy is like me getting banned from The Association of Rodeo Clowns.
+1, +1, +1Quote: MidwestAPEverbody, take a step back...At the end of the day, life isn't always fair and suspensions will not always be fair in everybody's eyes...This is an internet forum where we use aliases and with a few notable exceptions, no one really knows who we are anyway. And even if they did, getting a suspension here shouldn't really keep anyone up at night.
I can't believe how many members here are taking these suspensions so seriously. If I didn't already know the context, I'd assume they were talking about people who were wrongly convicted of 1st degree murder or something.
This whole thing is becoming even more entertaining than varmenti & princeofpawns. ;)
