Discussion about the Suspension List
I wonder about the hierarchy of those in charge here. Are there captains, lieutenants and sergeants or is everyone equal? Do we know them all or are there some black ops deep undercover?
Is there a statute of limitation for offenders? Can administrators browse through year old posts and issue suspensions? How about expunging the names of those who have an old one time offense from the suspension list. That would keep it more updated and relevant.
Quote: 1BBSenses of humor vary greatly and often cannot be discerned through the written word.
I for one, suck at sarcasm on the internet. If I don't hear vocal intonation, I'll take it more seriously for sure.
IMHO:
Whether Mission's actions were right or wrong is
between the Wizard and Mission to decide. At the
least, DJ, you should have consulted Mission and/or
the Wizard before overturning the ban. Mission made
the ban and it's his job (or the Wizard's) to overturn it.
The Wizard told Mission that he agreed with the decision
and took his back. The fact that EB called DJ to talk about
it just makes it worse. DJ should have pointed EB to talk
directly to Mission about the infraction to get it over-
turned, or at the least, DJ should have PMd or spoke
to Mission to have the ruling overturned.
Consider a mother punishing her kid and the kid
running to daddy. If daddy just said it was okay and
ended the punishment, how would mommy feel?
Would the kid always run to the other parent?
Quote: boymimboConsider a mother punishing her kid and the kid
running to daddy. If daddy just said it was okay and
ended the punishment, how would mommy feel?
Would the kid always run to the other parent?
That's a very apt analogy.
Some people just don't work as mods/admins. They abuse their power. granted power tends to be abused, but there should be a sense of proportion. I know because I've done it myself.
This suspension reeked of Barney Fifism. Perhaps Mission 146 should keep the bullet in his shirt pocket too !
Quote: Buzzard" That's a very apt analogy." Not really. Supposed to be adults on here and treated as such, not as children.
Yes, really :P
If this board does not degenerate at some point into a high school level, it will be the first. That said, contradictory authorities are a big problem everywhere they pop up. If admin A suspends a user, admin B should not just lift the suspension without consulting with anyone else.
Quote:This suspension reeked of Barney Fifism. Perhaps Mission 146 should keep the bullet in his shirt pocket too !
I know where the reference comes from, but I never saw that show.
Gee, if all my remarks are to be taken seriously, my days are definitely numbered.
This is not a chess forum or a law journal. it's a gambling forum.
And I am still pissed that a member used the n word in a derogatory remark and was not suspended. Justice is supposed to be blind, not stupid !
never gets a chance to defend or explain himself. There is
no trial, the mod is the accuser, the judge, and the jailer.
He prounces sentence and thats that. Why, in no other part
of society, is this fair. Yet on internet forums it is. Even a 5
year old kid gets a chance to argue his case before he gets
the time out.
I propose a new procedure in cases like this. Give the accused
a chance to defend himself. Its only fair. Warnings should be
issued, not suspensions. Rack up enough warnings and you're
gone. Thats how it works in the business place, why not here.
Quote: BuzzardI am bothered by the fact that Mission 146 still does not understand, IT WAS A JOKE. And one older than the hills. Yet he not only thinks a 7 day suspension, or longer, is fair, he wants to add a new rule to cover such situations in the future.
Quite frankly I've no idea whay the suspension was issued in the first place, nor really care much. Suspending a user I dislike is always good, even if it's massively unfair. That's why I've no desire to be a mod or admin here: I'd abuse my power to the fullest.
But if the suspension was wrong, then nontheless the mods should talk it over and overturn it or not jointly. Having mods acting ont heir own over another mod's actions is not a good idea.
Quote: NareedQuite frankly I've no idea whay the suspension was issued in the first place, nor really care much. Suspending a user I dislike is always good, even if it's massively unfair. That's why I've no desire to be a mod or admin here: I'd abuse my power to the fullest.
But if the suspension was wrong, then nontheless the mods should talk it over and overturn it or not jointly. Having mods acting ont heir own over another mod's actions is not a good idea.
I've never agreed with a post of yours more.
Quote: Nareed
But if the suspension was wrong, then nontheless the mods should talk it over and overturn it or not jointly. Having mods acting ont heir own over another mod's actions is not a good idea.
That's certainly the part that confused me the most. And, to stick with the all-boards-revert-to-high-school idea, isn't this a bit like the teacher over-ruling the assistant principal?
Quote: rdw4potusThat's certainly the part that confused me the most.
Thank you.
Quote:And, to stick with the all-boards-revert-to-high-school idea, isn't this a bit like the teacher over-ruling the assistant principal?
I'll tell you what it's like when I feel I'm overdue for a suspension ;)
Not the reversal itself, but the way it's done. It should have been 'yeah we discussed it, two day ban, served, dealt with'.
All three hands should at least know what the other is doing, even if they don't agree. As for a court of appeals. There is one. You email the Wizard. Or, it seems, phone someone.
Quote: EvenBobThe biggest problem with moderated forums is the accused
never gets a chance to defend or explain himself. There is
no trial, the mod is the accuser, the judge, and the jailer.
He prounces sentence and thats that. Why, in no other part
of society, is this fair. Yet on internet forums it is. Even a 5
year old kid gets a chance to argue his case before he gets
the time out.
I propose a new procedure in cases like this. Give the accused
a chance to defend himself. Its only fair. Warnings should be
issued, not suspensions. Rack up enough warnings and you're
gone. Thats how it works in the business place, why not here.
Here's the difference. There are no stakes at all here. Getting banned shouldn't affect you at all. Just go waste time on a different Web site for a while.
Mission 146 PM'd me with the following offer : Mission will consider the possibility that a post was made in jest before suspending anyone. In return I will make no more " Barney Fife " references.
Now lets get back to discussing important things, like dice setting.
Quote: NareedSuspending a user I dislike is always good, even if it's massively unfair.
What a stupid statement to make. You have the power to ignore any user you don't like but you'd just rather see them suspended with or without good reason. I get that you don't like some people, and that is fine. I'm pretty sure some of them don't like you back and there are probably a few more who don't know why you don't like them or how they offended you. Would you really like a board made up of only people you liked, that only followed your point of view, and where only your insults were okay?
Quote: FinsRuleI've never agreed with a post of yours more.
Which part?
My online time at work had been severely limited. When I was originally made a secret administrator, I had a lot of online access and free time. Perhaps now that my time is limited, I'm no longer a good candidate to be a administrator. Clearly, my inability to respond in a timely manner is indicative of this limitation. I am not volunteering to step down, but would not object if Mike sees fit.
Suggestions have been made that EvenBob's suspension and reinstatement was handled badly - that there should have been consultation among the administrators. I reject that idea for several reasons. Most importantly, Mike gave these powers to some select members so Mike doesn't have to be bothered by the day-to-day issues. Secondly, not only Mike, but we all have our own lives to lead. We don't have the time for committee meetings.
It has also been suggested that Bob stepped over a line when he contacted me. I reject that idea as well. While under suspension, how easy would it be for any member to contact any other member? Not easy at all. While it probably would be easy to get Mike's contact info, it might be impossible to contact Mission. I've published my website and phone number, and I have my phone number plastered all over my website. I did not find the phone call to be inappropriate. On the other hand, it may have been easier for Bob to contact Mike. Considering that Mike is still recovering from his recent illness, that option should be avoided, and I think Bob did the right thing by contacting me rather than Mike.
It has been suggested that I stepped out of line by submitting to Bob's phone call request to be unbanned. The parent analogy presented was an interesting one, but does not apply. Yeah, children will learn to play one parent off the other. But do you really think that if such an event happened again, and Bob called me, that I'd be so quick to un-ban him when he calls? None of us are children here.
It has also been suggested that Mission should never have suspended Bob - that the "infraction" was too minor. I haven't read thru enough of this stuff to form an opinion. Sorry if that offends anyone, but since Mission hasn't had any significant objection to my actions, then I take the lazy route and not bother to research it, and just leave it at that.
That said, can't we all just get along?
Quote: DJTeddyBearOK. Now that I have a chance to reply....
My online time at work had been severely limited. When I was originally made a secret administrator, I had a lot of online access and free time. Perhaps now that my time is limited, I'm no longer a good candidate to be a administrator. Clearly, my inability to respond in a timely manner is indicative of this limitation. I am not volunteering to step down, but would not object if Mike sees fit.
Suggestions have been made that EvenBob's suspension and reinstatement was handled badly - that there should have been consultation among the administrators. I reject that idea for several reasons. Most importantly, Mike gave these powers to some select members so Mike doesn't have to be bothered by the day-to-day issues. Secondly, not only Mike, but we all have our own lives to lead. We don't have the time for committee meetings.
It has also been suggested that Bob stepped over a line when he contacted me. I reject that idea as well. While under suspension, how easy would it be for any member to contact any other member? Not easy at all. While it probably would be easy to get Mike's contact info, it might be impossible to contact Mission. I've published my website and phone number, and I have my phone number plastered all over my website. I did not find the phone call to be inappropriate. On the other hand, it may have been easier for Bob to contact Mike. Considering that Mike is still recovering from his recent illness, that option should be avoided, and I think Bob did the right thing by contacting me rather than Mike.
It has been suggested that I stepped out of line by submitting to Bob's phone call request to be unbanned. The parent analogy presented was an interesting one, but does not apply. Yeah, children will learn to play one parent off the other. But do you really think that if such an event happened again, and Bob called me, that I'd be so quick to un-ban him when he calls? None of us are children here.
It has also been suggested that Mission should never have suspended Bob - that the "infraction" was too minor. I haven't read thru enough of this stuff to form an opinion. Sorry if that offends anyone, but since Mission hasn't had any significant objection to my actions, then I take the lazy route and not bother to research it, and just leave it at that.
That said, can't we all just get along?
Yes, we can all get along.
I would like to point out that I got a three day suspension for calling Bob an asshole in this thread:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/13163-casino-sues-patrons/9/
It was worth it.
In the last post of that thread Bob admits he is (an asshole) but does not like hearing it. I am an asshole and don't care. Bob, stop being so sensitive :)
Quote: DigitalTimYes, we can all get along.
It depends. Some of us can't end hostilities until the other side suffers a substantial loss.
Quote: DJTeddyBearOK. Now that I have a chance to reply....
My online time at work had been severely limited. When I was originally made a secret administrator, I had a lot of online access and free time. Perhaps now that my time is limited, I'm no longer a good candidate to be a administrator. Clearly, my inability to respond in a timely manner is indicative of this limitation. I am not volunteering to step down, but would not object if Mike sees fit.
Suggestions have been made that EvenBob's suspension and reinstatement was handled badly - that there should have been consultation among the administrators. I reject that idea for several reasons. Most importantly, Mike gave these powers to some select members so Mike doesn't have to be bothered by the day-to-day issues. Secondly, not only Mike, but we all have our own lives to lead. We don't have the time for committee meetings.
...
That said, can't we all just get along?
Create a admin only board. Post info on there. One stop shop for all admins, will be very low traffic. Job done. No need for a huge meeting but I imagine the convo is easy:
Mission : Banned TheCesspit for being a jerk in this post
DJ : He just contacted me, that's just an English phrase. Unbanned him.
Mission : Oh, okay, no worries.
Boom, sorted.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyI also feels it hurts EB's credibility because the typical poster that uses this style is a noob that doesn't know what they're talking about. IMO, the only way EB could make himself look more like a neophyte IS IF HE POSTED IN ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME.
I approve of EB's short sentences. It makes it no easier or difficult for me to read, but it’s different.
Everyone here has a way of typing that’s as individual as our finger prints. It’s gotten so that I can identify over 50% of the posts without looking to the name.
If you’re confronted with a page long wall o’ text, it’s almost definitely me, as I’m quite the wordslinger (although Ahigh is giving me a run for my money)
If you get a reply that’s several pages long, then it’s Mission186, and he’s got his mind wrapped deep into something that caught his attention.
If you have words that seemt o have funnys pacing, or perhaps letters in the worng order, it’s Nareed.
Sometimes you have a really short sentence.
Then a paragraph break between the next short sentence.
Then a final, equally short sentence to end it. Don’t even look, you know it’s MrV.
Sometimes the writing is normal….There’s no typo’s or spacing to go off of at all….But you notice every sentence ends in 4 periods…Hi vert! =)
Or a poster talks too much about god and gays and taking folks out to the woodshed, and we just ban Jerry without a second thought.
You see, coolbreeze? Everyone has something that sets them apart, EB’s just happens to be very visual. Wiz has typo’s, FleaStif is oddly poetic, and Buzz comes of like Dangerfield. No matter the style, it’s all good =)
Quote: NareedIf this board does not degenerate at some point into a high school level, it will be the first.
I think it might just be the first. I’ve been here long enough to see some of the bigger dust ups, whether it was mkl, Jerry’s thousand sockpuppets, mrjjj, tipping, the 1.41 hoax, the HB Challenge… every one eventually returns back to civil conversation and relatively polite arguments. I mean, look at what we’re arguing about! A relatively mild tiff over a joke is headline news because our typical discourses aren’t really that severe.
I’m glad EB’s back, I believe all parties involved are already over it, and we’re all carrying on. We could discuss performing abortions with illegal firearms in the name of God and I’d bet it wouldn’t be enough to break this group ;)
Quote: MonkeyMonkey
I also feels it hurts EB's credibility .
My short sentences hurt my credibility? Thats a
bit of a stretch. So its not what you say, its how
what you say looks? Thats a new one..
Quote: thecesspitYeah, but confuse Face with being a Pats fan, and you best hide in Canada.
You're a passport and a plane ticket away, Cesspit. Don't test me ;)
Quote: EvenBobMy short sentences hurt my credibility? Thats a
bit of a stretch. So its not what you say, its how
what you say looks? Thats a new one..
Your ability to bury your head deeper and deeper into, well whatever that is you have your head buried in is reaching legendary proportions. It's not the fact that the sentences are short, it's the fact that you seem to not have a clue how it stuffs up the formatting for others. When I first arrived here I didn't sign up for months, I read the board and got to know who was who before I made an account. It took me quite a while to figure out you weren't completely clueless as you exhibit nearly all the classic signs of internet noobness. Now, as I said before, if you're comfortable with looking like you have no idea how this new fangled gadget works, then go for it, I don't give a wet slap how foolish you look.
I also think DJ's name should either be in green or he should stop being an admin, this "not so secret" admin thing is part of the transparency problem this issue illuminated. I'm sure this event has undermined the authority of the admins on this board and has tarnished their credibility, even now I'm making cookies to send to Mission so I can get my get out of jail free card.
For full disclosure, I have, in the past, written to the admins here pleading EB's side of a case and I don't particularly like the guy, but when I don't think he (or anyone really) is being treated fairly I speak up.
Quote: EvenBobMy short sentences hurt my credibility?
Long sentences too. And middle size ones.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyIt took me quite a while to figure out you weren't completely clueless
LOL! The fact that it took you 'quite a while' says
what about you, exactly.
Poster insults me while inadvertently insulting himself.
Priceless..
Quote: EvenBobLOL! The fact that it took you 'quite a while' says
what about you, exactly.
Poster insults me while inadvertently insulting himself.
Priceless..
LOL, it says I don't quickly or harshly judge people.
Poster shows his true colors while attempting to deliver an insult. Priceless... or, er... what, just another day for EB.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyI also think DJ's name should either be in green or he should stop being an admin. . .
Well, the green name thing ain't happening. I've been stripped of my Admin status and am now an ordinary mortal member like the rest of you. Hopefully most/all of you would add 'in good standing'.
While I was hoping this wouldn't happen, I am neither surprised nor bitter by Mike's decision.
There are no hard feelings between Mike and me, and I hope Mission feels the same way.
Frankly, with my current Internet restrictions at work, it's just as well. FYI: I'm using my iPhone to post right now....
Quote: FaceI think it might just be the first.
You're juts not paying attention. We passed the high school level long ago.
Quote:We could discuss performing abortions with illegal firearms in the name of God and I’d bet it wouldn’t be enough to break this group ;)
Discuccion of abortion is verbotten in this board.
Quote: DigitalTimYes, we can all get along.
I would like to point out that I got a three day suspension for calling Bob an asshole in this thread:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/13163-casino-sues-patrons/9/
It was worth it.
In the last post of that thread Bob admits he is (an asshole) but does not like hearing it. I am an asshole and don't care. Bob, stop being so sensitive :)
We get along most of the time in spite of posts like this. I don't know your intent but it seems like you're trying to skirt the rules to repeat the same insult that you just got suspended for. Then you post a link to it. This is every bit as bad as the original insult.
I don't like seeing anyone get suspended, including you DigitalTim, but as long as there are posts of this nature suspensions will happen. Try making a post like this about one of our resident cry babies and see how long it takes them to scream troll and bully at the top of their lungs.
Quote: NareedYou're juts not paying attention. We passed the high school level long ago. Discuccion of abortion is verbotten in this board.
How about the abortion of public school spellings combined with bits of other languages?
Quote: DJTeddyBearWell, the green name thing ain't happening. I've been stripped of my Admin status and am now an ordinary mortal member like the rest of you. Hopefully most/all of you would add 'in good standing'.
While I was hoping this wouldn't happen, I am neither surprised nor bitter by Mike's decision.
There are no hard feelings between Mike and me, and I hope Mission feels the same way.
Frankly, with my current Internet restrictions at work, it's just as well. FYI: I'm using my iPhone to post right now....
I'm disappointed. I think you have your finger on the pulse of this forum better than most and it's obvious that you care for it a great deal. You've also demonstrated your fairness in dealing with some members who may not be among your favorite. Was it because you blew your cover or because of your handling of Bob's suspension?
Suspended for an offense that will require an addendum to the current rules and Mission 146 deferring to the Wiz as to sentencing guidelines. I attempted to defend EvenBob and may have iI some way been responsible for DJteddybears being stripped of his title.
So it is with heavy heart I must do the following :
I, CHARLES E PAFF (BUZZARD ), ON THIS 6TH DAY IN THE MONTH OF MARCH, THE YEAR OF OUR LORD
2013 DO HEREBY RESIGN MY POST AS SILENT ADMINISTRATOR.
i HAVE ALSO INSTRUCTED MY ATTORNEY, THE HONORABLE ACEOFSPADES , TO PLACE ALL MY STOCK IN
WOV AND SHFL ENTERTAINMENT INTO A BLIND TRUST.
Quote: BuzzardI attempted to defend EvenBob and may have iI some way been responsible for DJteddybears being stripped of his title.
And clearly Apple has gone too far.
Quote: NareedAnd clearly Apple has gone too far.
Am I the only person that doesn't understand what Nareed is saying here?
Quote: 1BBWas it because you blew your cover or because of your handling of Bob's suspension?
I'll leave it up to Mike if he wants to respond. If I were to answer, I'd have to reveal the contents of the PM convo we had about it. And then *I* might get suspended! Wouldn't that be the ultimate final irony?
Suffice to say, and I said I'd before, I'm neither surprised nor bitter.
Quote: DJTeddyBearAm I the only person that doesn't understand what Nareed is saying here?
No...I don't get many of his response nor do I understand all the venom spewed in others that I do understand.
you have no way to contact anybody. So when 2 days
went by and still nothing on how long the suspension
was, I remembered Dave had a website about his game,
with his number on it, and him being a mod I thought
he might know what was happening. Thats all there is
to it. He said he didn't know, but would reinstate me until
it was cleared up. I didn't ask him to, he's just is a nice guy.
I wanted to make fun of his Poker for Roulette game, like
I always do, but he was at work and had to go. Dang it..
I highly respect DJ and he is surely on the top 5 names I can think of whom made biggest contribution to this site.
But I fully agree with the Wiz on his handling of this event.
Quote: pokerfaceWell, rules are rules.
I highly respect DJ and he is surely on the top 5 names I can think of whom made biggest contribution to this site.
Dave is the first person on this site I've actually
spoken to. I've never met anybody or called
anybody before this. It was a strange feeling.
There are real people behind these names, I
never would'a thought...
