Discussion about the Suspension List

Bordagz123 has been Suspended three days for Spam, specifically the deliberate creation of duplicate threads. The length of the Suspension is Three Days. For details, please refer to the Suspension List thread.

Quote: Ahigh

This is the link in question:

http://www.pulcinientertainment.com/info/1-blocked-1ass.jpg

Link to the post:

Including the image that puts me in a list of people that he apparently thinks are asses:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/11010-what-is-the-probability-of-someone-rolling-17-fours-and-18-tens-in-one-hand-of-craps/2/#post175084

Get over it.
"I hear babies cry...... I watch them grow "
From a famous song.
Most babies just cry, the ones over 21 years of age, they have already stopped growing.

7craps did not name that photo, I did.
I was entering a few photos into the INFO folder and most photo names are in this format so they can be found easily by more than a few people.
1-bj-lose4run-1a-300N.jpg
1-cc-16P-1b.jpg
1-craps-shooter-chart1a.jpg
1-craps-shooter-chart1b.jpg

Notice the 1a and 1b etc. I guess you did not.

The link you pointed to was left that way after I entered a few -1ass.jpgs
7Craps got a kick out of it and I still think it is funny.
Jerry Seinfeld funny.

I am a Biology major, so live and learn
http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/explore.do?structureId=1ass
http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/explore/remediatedSequence.do?structureId=1ASS

http://bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu/pdbinfo.cgi?id=1ass

Quote: Mission146

Bordagz123 has been Suspended three days for Spam, specifically the deliberate creation of duplicate threads. The length of the Suspension is Three Days. For details, please refer to the Suspension List thread.

Wow! No gentle reminder no warning. Straight to the three day suspension.

Does flagging still work? Could you review that process for those not familiar with it? I suspect there are many.

I think reminding Bordagz about the rules would have been meaningless.

He's a new member who had a grand total of two posts, both of them new threads, and both of them identical, even identical typos, except for one character.

That adds up to someone who deserves the same amount of courtesy that he is giving the rest of the members. I.E. Zero.

I guess he or she should have just typed in the word "bump" for his second post like many others do.

Quote: 1BB

Wow! No gentle reminder no warning. Straight to the three day suspension.

Does flagging still work? Could you review that process for those not familiar with it? I suspect there are many.

If you peruse the posts in question, it smells like a build-up to a system that the OP, "Just discovered," which of course will cost money. I hope to be wrong on this one, but The Wizard and I have already conferred and he agrees with my decision.

I'm not sure if I have access to flagged posts yet. I'll check with JB. My hope is that, since I read every thread, I will have it covered well enough that the Members can enjoy posting here and not have to worry about flagging unwanted posts.

Quote: 1BB

I guess he or she should have just typed in the word "bump" for his second post like many others do.

That would result in a Three-Day Suspension...unless he tells a joke.

Quote: mustangsally

Welcome back! I hope this isn't the only post upon your return...

Yeah, Sally, you must stick around. Your math is always accurate and your presentations are the most entertaining of any I have ever seen!

Quote: Mission146

Yeah, Sally, you must stick around. Your math is always accurate and your presentations are the most entertaining of any I have ever seen!

" Yeah, Sally, you must stick around. " I thought Wilson Pickett said that first.

Gambit55 has received a seven-day suspension for personal insults in this post:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11008-dealer-begging-for-tips/2/#post183368

...amongst others.

Had it been an isolated post, it may well have been three days for a first time offense, but alas, I counted at least three posts in which he committed personal insult.

ZackG23 has been banned:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11008-dealer-begging-for-tips/9/#post183604

For creating another handle for the sole purpose of circumventing Gambit55's ban. Therefore, both Members have now been banned for life.

I named my first grand-daughter BELLE STARR. With that in mind, do you plan to name a future grandson Judge Roy Bean. ?

Oh My What did SOOPOO do ? SIGH


Perhaps it was voluntary ?

Still miss Dorothy Gale, but respect her right to leave us .

I expect his mockery of Nareed's new email qualified as an invasion of privacy.

And now HotBlonde is down. Mods, are we going to have to wade through "that" thread to find the answers? :)

Quote: MonkeyMonkey

And now HotBlonde is down. Mods, are we going to have to wade through "that" thread to find the answers? :)

HotBlonde got suspended for the "sewerwater" insult. SOOPOO's suspension is addressed here.

<le sigh>

I had a question on VP play and a question on lost opportunity caused by taxes that multiplies effective tax rates despite the low cap gains rate, but alas, all it takes is a view of this thread to discourage any re-participation. That's okay, I'm sure I'm not missed. At least, I missed the thread titled "Hi, ItsCalledSoccer."

Mike, I have a good shot at work in town, would like to grab a bite if you have a spare lunch-hour. A few things have to happen but it smells pretty good for now, I should know something more in a couple of weeks.

Would love to stay and chat but I would rather avoid the forum drama-minefield that is gender-specific pronouns, math-proud people swallowing political poll results whole without looking hard at the underlying math, and adult members who have to be cyber-separated like children.

<le sigh>

I'm just going to avoid that whole HotBlonde thread altogether.

Quote: s2dbaker

I'm just going to avoid that whole HotBlonde thread altogether.

So how many people have now received bans/suspensions for comments in or derived from that thread? It sure does contribute to discussions in the forum; I just am not sure that it's a contribution that we need.

I consider it immaterial, Members are responsible for the content of their own posts equally in that thread or any other.

Quote: Mission146

I consider it immaterial, Members are responsible for the content of their own posts equally in that thread or any other.

I understand that folks are responsible for their own behavior, but there can come a time that thread is so far out of control that it would be in the best interest of the forum to close it. Not my call by a long shot (because I am not in charge of anything here) but I hope it would be at least considered.

I'm not free of the stains of the thread and I can't say how I will react if certain things that happened before happen again once everyone is back together. Just because I might have something untoward and maybe over the line to say then doesn't mean that I "want" the thread to continue.

Quote: RonC

I understand that folks are responsible for their own behavior, but there can come a time that thread is so far out of control that it would be in the best interest of the forum to close it. Not my call by a long shot (because I am not in charge of anything here) but I hope it would be at least considered.

I'm not free of the stains of the thread and I can't say how I will react if certain things that happened before happen again once everyone is back together. Just because I might have something untoward and maybe over the line to say then doesn't mean that I "want" the thread to continue.

The purpose of the thread is to track a bet. It is still serving that purpose. It is not the thread's fault people can't confine themselves to the topic.

I started a thread 3 weeks ago to try to contact Nareed and it served its purpose in one day, yet others continue to revive it even though they have no interest in contacting her. It is not that thread's fault, either.

Personal responsibility should be more than a political campaign talking point. It's assumed posters here are of legal gambling age but there are days I question that.

Quote: RonC

I understand that folks are responsible for their own behavior, but there can come a time that thread is so far out of control that it would be in the best interest of the forum to close it. Not my call by a long shot (because I am not in charge of anything here) but I hope it would be at least considered.

I'm not free of the stains of the thread and I can't say how I will react if certain things that happened before happen again once everyone is back together. Just because I might have something untoward and maybe over the line to say then doesn't mean that I "want" the thread to continue.

I understand your point, there is definitely a correlation between that thread and Members getting banned in numbers greater than usual. However, that thread is not the cause of anyone being banned, posts in that thread are, posts that do not have to be made. I would be the last person to maintain that the thread has not often been vitriolic, particularly within the last few months, but that does not generate a necessity by which individual posts must be.

I do not know whether or not The Wiz has considered closing that thread, as many of these issues predate me being an Administrator of this Forum, but I can say that I have not even remotely considered it. It's not that closing the thread wouldn't have some benefits, it would, but the necessity of the thread being closed, in my opinion, would be a bigger black eye on this Forum than the thread and associated bans themselves.

I certainly hope that nobody else steps over the line in that thread, of course.

I have never entertained the idea of closing the thread either. It isn't the thread's fault so many people have misbehaved in it, or as an indirect result of it. The fact that it has so many posts also indicates people enjoy it.

Quote: Wizard

The fact that it has so many posts also indicates people enjoy it.

Its like watching a long train wreck, you can't not watch.

I saw a train wreck in 1967. An empty boxcar on a long
train was in between two loaded cars, and when the train
jerked, the loaded cars lifted the empty one off the tracks
and it derailed. It took 22 cars with it, all careening in
slow motion down an embankment. A whole lot of noise
was followed by silence. Probably the most surreal thing
I ever saw. Took them weeks and weeks to clean it up.

I was watching a show where they have selected commercials from around the world, and they had one where a guy is walking along a sidewalk next to a high wooden fence you can't see over. And as he walks there is chorus of voices from the other side repeating "12" with each step he takes. "12, 12, 12," they keep repeating following him along the way.

He finally can't take it anymore, sees a knot hole, stops and looks through. A finger pokes him in the eye!

"13, 13, 13!" The voices chant.

That's the Hot Blond thread.

Quote: Wizard

I have never entertained the idea of closing the thread

Threads don't kill people, people kill people.

Quote: rxwine

"13, 13, 13!" The voices chant.

That's the Hot Blond thread.

14, 14, 14. Got another one this morning.

I suppose this could make for an interesting mathematical puzzle:

The HB Challenge thread has generated an extremely large number of posts, #2 of all time in the forum. It has also resulted in the (temporary) silencing of some prolific posters. So ... overall, has the presence of the thread (and its various repercussions) resulted in an increase or decrease in the total number of posts in the forum? How about over just the past couple of months? How many posts in other threads would Nareed alone have made during the past few weeks if she had not been suspended?

Note: If I thought these questions were important, I would have started a separate thread. ;-)

I'm not sure many people will understand my analogy. But way back in the day there was a game called "Asteroids."

You were supposed to control this cool space ship through an asteroid field and shoot asteroids, making smaller asteroids until they were all gone and then start over.

Simple enough. But then if you get to a point where there are not so many asteroids left, it was easy not to be killed by just enjoying flying around and extend the length of play.

So then there is the space ship. And the spaceship tries to enforce the rules "don't just fart around wasting time, you're supposed to be shooting asteroids."

Very rigid rules, and the underlying assumption was that this spaceship could kick you ass.

But in truth, destroying the spaceship made much more points per unit time than shooting asteroids and if you mastered killing the spaceship, your chances of dying per unit time decreased as well. Then you get free men and can play EVEN LONGER.

And of course points were how you succeeded in the game.

Although this wasn't the intention of the game, this is what the game became, and many people learned from observation how the game was played by the experts who had the highest scores.

But asteroids were more of a temporary annoying that might kill off a free man or two until you could kick the saucers ass and keep a tally of free men so far across the screen that the game couldn't even handle drawing all your ships, exploiting a bug that slowed the game down even further making it simpler not to die when shooting the asteroids.

Asteroids deluxe fixed all of these issues, but for whatever reason, the popularity of the game had more to do with exploiting the limitations of how the rules were enforced in the previous game, not the original intent of shooting asteroids.

This forum is called "Wizard of Vegas." You get on here to talk about Vegas and gambling, and you end up getting attacked and defend yourself, then when you break the rules in your defense, you realize the website isn't really about gambling. It's about the social aspects of people who spend a great amount of time following a rule-based system of who is allowed to be here and who isn't. The discussions about gambling and about Vegas are sort of just what is supposed to be happening here. But the real content of what goes on is more of a drama where you have to know who is who and who did what to who and who was successful at getting someone else to break a rule that kept them from posting and so on.

Just a newcomer's observations. A newcomer who still doesn't really know who is who and who did what to who and who would really just like to shoot asteroids instead of chase flying saucers around, but has become one of the best flying saucer shooters there is because that is how the game is played.

Where there are people.... there will be people problems.

Quote: Ahigh

I'm not sure many people will understand my analogy....

This forum is called "Wizard of Vegas." You get on here to talk about Vegas and gambling, and you end up getting attacked and defend yourself, then when you break the rules in your defense, you realize the website isn't really about gambling. It's about the social aspects of people who spend a great amount of time following a rule-based system of who is allowed to be here and who isn't. The discussions about gambling and about Vegas are sort of just what is supposed to be happening here. But the real content of what goes on is more of a drama where you have to know who is who and who did what to who and who was successful at getting someone else to break a rule that kept them from posting and so on.

Congratulations! That is EXACTLY what WoV is about.

I now direct you to the science of human interaction, and specifically online interaction:

Clay Shirky: A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy

"...no matter who came onto the Clairol chat boards, they sometimes wanted to talk about things that weren't Clairol products. 'But we paid for this! This is the Clairol site!' Doesn't matter. The users are there for one another. They may be there on hardware and software paid for by you, but the users are there for one another."

It is very long, and worth reading to the end.

Very much unlike the HBC thread.

Great link, Mosca, and you were correct on both counts.

Quote: Mosca

"...no matter who came onto the Clairol chat boards, they sometimes wanted to talk about things that weren't Clairol products.

Ever been part of a focus group? The biggest
struggle of the mod is to keep everybody on
topic. Humans are not linear thinkers, our
minds wander all over the place and for many
people, what comes into their heads comes
immediately out of their mouths. Or keyboards.

SodaWater is banned for one week for the following:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/7752-hot-blonde-challenge/48/#post190070

This is in reference to a photo of a fellow Member.

Does disrupting the forum by starting 8 threads with the same title in less than 4 hours violate any rules?

Just curious. Will calling someone a jerk lead to a suspension ?

Quote: Buzzard

Just curious. Will calling someone a jerk lead to a suspension ?

I would hope not. There really is not much negative connotation with that descriptor.

I know. But in grievance meeting with management, I would often refer to a boss as being a jerk. Usually got the same re-action as calling them an asshole, but I was on safe ground. LOL

Quote: Buzzard

Just curious. Will calling someone a jerk lead to a suspension ?

If directed at a member here, it wouldn't surprise me. If referring to a celebrity or other well known person, probably not.

For the suggestion box:

Quote:

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On the orders of Kim Jong-un to leave "no trace of him behind, down to his hair," according to South Korean media, Kim Chol was forced to stand on a spot that had been zeroed in for a mortar round and "obliterated."

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Quote: Buzzard

I know. But in grievance meeting with management, I would often refer to a boss as being a jerk. Usually got the same re-action as calling them an asshole, but I was on safe ground. LOL

May I ask you a question? Was there a specific reason that you changed your screen name from buzzpaff to Buzzard? Are you able to post on both or has your former moniker been deactivated?

My reason for asking is that some 13 months ago I awakened one morning unable to log on to the forum. After determining that the problem was not with my computer and after a week of reaching out to the forum to no avail I was forced to change my screen name.

Changed because I deleted the email account that password was sent to. I hate this Mozilla browser. Plus as a collector, I was often called Buzzard.l Funny thing is young ladies nowadays when i say my name is Buzz, they say " Oh, like buzz Lightyear LOL

JW17 has been issued a three-day Suspension for Personal Insult for the following post:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/11910-planning-on-doing-100x-odds-at-casino-royale-in-2013/#post195289

Quote: Mission146

JW17 has been issued a three-day Suspension for Personal Insult for the following post:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/11910-planning-on-doing-100x-odds-at-casino-royale-in-2013/#post195289

I think we need a rigid interpretation of the insult rule. What JW17 said was "you SOUND LIKE..." That's different than "you ARE"

Insult by analogy happens here every day, and it goes unpunished. Evenbob does it so much that the move could be named after him. Why the suspension this time?

Quote: rdw4potus

I think we need a rigid interpretation of the insult rule. What JW17 said was "you SOUND LIKE..." That's different than "you ARE"

Insult by analogy happens here every day, and it goes unpunished. Evenbob does it so much that the move could be named after him. Why the suspension this time?

I can see your point rdw4potus, but I can also understand the suspension. I don't recall EB ever dropping an F bomb along with an analogy.

He could have made the same point a hundred different ways, and not gotten suspended, but the statement was like a 40 lb sledge hammer to drive a 10 penny nail. A bit of overkill, IMO.

I will never understand why people feel free to write responses that in real life would probably get them a sucker punch in the mouth

Quote: RaleighCraps

I will never understand why people feel free to write responses that in real life would probably get them a sucker punch in the mouth

That goes for the original statement in this case as well. If someone walked into a room containing young craps novices and went off like that, a sucker punch would be likely to occur then as well.

RDW, I think that is what RaleighCraps was suggesting.