Discussion III about the Suspension List
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfDid EvenBob ask it to be shut down? If not...there is your answer. EB is and has been complimenting the thread,
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Of course I've been complimenting it's one of the greatest threads I've ever seen. If it is a parody of one of my threads, which is doubtful, why would I complain about that. Parody is usually complimentary, imitation is a form of flattery.
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Parody done right is an art form. Fred Rogers supposedly called both Eddie Murphy and Johnny Carson to tell them he thought their parodies were funny. Bush41 loved Dana Carvey, who did the best SNL parody of a POTUS during the run of the series back when it was about actual comedy. Limbaugh used parodies to make points all the time.
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Rush Limbaugh was the best satirist I've ever encountered. Even now, years after his death, some of the more gullible still think he was serious.
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Rush Limbaugh was the best satirist I've ever encountered. Even now, years after his death, some of the more gullible still think he was serious.
I would put Colin Cowherd in that same category.
Quote: billryanQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfDid EvenBob ask it to be shut down? If not...there is your answer. EB is and has been complimenting the thread,
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Of course I've been complimenting it's one of the greatest threads I've ever seen. If it is a parody of one of my threads, which is doubtful, why would I complain about that. Parody is usually complimentary, imitation is a form of flattery.
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Parody done right is an art form. Fred Rogers supposedly called both Eddie Murphy and Johnny Carson to tell them he thought their parodies were funny. Bush41 loved Dana Carvey, who did the best SNL parody of a POTUS during the run of the series back when it was about actual comedy. Limbaugh used parodies to make points all the time.
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Rush Limbaugh was the best satirist I've ever encountered. Even now, years after his death, some of the more gullible still think he was serious.
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His best thing was "demonstrating absurdity by being absurd." I doubt he invented doing it, but he perfected doing it.
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Outstanding examples of people who support the MDawg thread.
Perhaps even Hitler would have supported it as well.
Birds of a feather...
Now go cry to the Mods. My ribs are 98% better today and it's time for a break.
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No one needs to cry to the mods; you've made it this blatant.
3-day suspension for personal insult.
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After discussion, the "Hitler"* comparison merits more time.
Quote: DieterPeople looking for insight into what will land a poster in hot water can safely assume that comparisons with other genocidal dictators may also lead to suspensions.
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What if I compare someone to Stalin, but
Quote: DieterPeople looking for insight into what will land a poster in hot water can safely assume that comparisons with other genocidal dictators may also lead to suspensions.
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Could we get a list of genocidal dictators that are found offensive. Are Vlad the Impaler and Caligula on that list? They're on the list of worst genocidal dictators of all time, they are not in the top 10 by any means but it wasn't for lack of trying. Also, Hitler is so often referenced these days in the news by certain aspects of the current scene in this country that the name Hitler doesn't quite mean what it used to. You can't hardly go a day now without seeing it in the news.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: DieterPeople looking for insight into what will land a poster in hot water can safely assume that comparisons with other genocidal dictators may also lead to suspensions.
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Could we get a list of genocidal dictators that are found offensive. Are Vlad the Impaler and Caligula on that list? They're on the list of worst genocidal dictators of all time, they are not in the top 10 by any means but it wasn't for lack of trying. Also, Hitler is so often referenced these days in the news by certain aspects of the current scene in this country that the name Hitler doesn't quite mean what it used to. You can't hardly go a day now without seeing it in the news.
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I put Hitler at 4 or 5 on the bad dictator list. People comparing people to him makes him fall in my rankings.
25 Foday Sankoh
24 Charles Taylor
23 Ho Chi Minh
22 Benito Mussolini
21 Ante Pavelic
20 Yahya Khan
19 Idi Amin
18 Mullah Omar
17 Jonas Savimbi
16 Tōjō Hideki
15 Haji Muhammad Suharto
14 Josip Broz Tito
13 Saddam Hussein
12 Jean Kambanda
11 Leonid Brezhnev
10 Yakubu Gowon
9 Michel Micombero
8 Kim Il Sung
7 Pol Pot
6 Ismail Enver
5 Adolf Hitler
4 Jozef Stalin
3 Leopold II of Belgium
2 Augusto Pinochet
1 Mao Ze Dong
Source: https://list25.com/25-leaders-responsible-for-the-worst-genocides-ever-committed/
Another internet list:
10 Ivan the Terrible
9 Vlad the Impaler
8 Idi Amin
7 Saddam Hussein
6 Pol Pot
5 Leopold II
4 Adolf Hitler
3 Joseph Stalin
2 Genghis Khan
1 Mao Zedong
Source: https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-Top-10-Worst-Dictators-in-History
Quote: gordonm888I'll admit that there are many rankings on this list that I disagree with
25 Foday Sankoh
24 Charles Taylor
23 Ho Chi Minh
22 Benito Mussolini
21 Ante Pavelic
20 Yahya Khan
19 Idi Amin
18 Mullah Omar
17 Jonas Savimbi
16 Tōjō Hideki
15 Haji Muhammad Suharto
14 Josip Broz Tito
13 Saddam Hussein
12 Jean Kambanda
11 Leonid Brezhnev
10 Yakubu Gowon
9 Michel Micombero
8 Kim Il Sung
7 Pol Pot
6 Ismail Enver
5 Adolf Hitler
4 Jozef Stalin
3 Leopold II of Belgium
2 Augusto Pinochet
1 Mao Ze Dong
Source: https://list25.com/25-leaders-responsible-for-the-worst-genocides-ever-committed/
Another internet list:
10 Ivan the Terrible
9 Vlad the Impaler
8 Idi Amin
7 Saddam Hussein
6 Pol Pot
5 Leopold II
4 Adolf Hitler
3 Joseph Stalin
2 Genghis Khan
1 Mao Zedong
Source: https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-Top-10-Worst-Dictators-in-History
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Vlad the Impaler isn't even on the first list, has names I never even heard of. Vlad belongs on every list, isn't Dracula based on him? The Bram Stoker Dracula, the only one that counts. Ever read that book? One of the scariest books I ever read considering it was written in the 19th century. Just plain creepy Deluxe..
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Could we get a list of genocidal dictators that are found offensive. Are Vlad the Impaler and Caligula on that list?
Vlad the Impaler is one of my favorites.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: gordonm888I'll admit that there are many rankings on this list that I disagree with
25 Foday Sankoh
24 Charles Taylor
23 Ho Chi Minh
22 Benito Mussolini
21 Ante Pavelic
20 Yahya Khan
19 Idi Amin
18 Mullah Omar
17 Jonas Savimbi
16 Tōjō Hideki
15 Haji Muhammad Suharto
14 Josip Broz Tito
13 Saddam Hussein
12 Jean Kambanda
11 Leonid Brezhnev
10 Yakubu Gowon
9 Michel Micombero
8 Kim Il Sung
7 Pol Pot
6 Ismail Enver
5 Adolf Hitler
4 Jozef Stalin
3 Leopold II of Belgium
2 Augusto Pinochet
1 Mao Ze Dong
Source: https://list25.com/25-leaders-responsible-for-the-worst-genocides-ever-committed/
Another internet list:
10 Ivan the Terrible
9 Vlad the Impaler
8 Idi Amin
7 Saddam Hussein
6 Pol Pot
5 Leopold II
4 Adolf Hitler
3 Joseph Stalin
2 Genghis Khan
1 Mao Zedong
Source: https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-Top-10-Worst-Dictators-in-History
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Vlad the Impaler isn't even on the first list, has names I never even heard of. Vlad belongs on every list, isn't Dracula based on him? The Bram Stoker Dracula, the only one that counts. Ever read that book? One of the scariest books I ever read considering it was written in the 19th century. Just plain creepy Deluxe..
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Dracula is an excellent book, and very terrifying. But, I do not understand the obsession with Vlad the Impaler being terrible. Sure by modern standards he did terrible things (probably things that in 1400s combat were not that uncommon.) And, it can even be argued that he stood up to Ottoman pressure. Stoker knew very little about Vlad the Impaler other than the name and the vague references of vampires in Romanian culture (so whatever disturbs your in Dracula may as well be forgotten about in a debate on who is the most genocidal leader.) I don't think I would even call Vlad genocidal (authoritarian and cruel, yes, but he was not trying to remove a group of people from the world.)
He was in the borderlands of the Ottoman Empire (in kind of a forced vassal state), standing against one of the strongest Empires in history. Not a defense of what he did, but I would guess his options were limited (also had a lot of internal issues on top of this massive external threat.)
https://www.militaryheritage.com/count_dracula_war_on_islam.htm
Even if you buy into all of the talking points against him (some of which are likely Ottoman war propaganda), nothing to the scale of Hitler.
Despite his military and political achievements, Vlad the Impaler was an incredibly brutal and vicious leader renowned for his extreme cruelty. As his name implies, Vlad III was renowned for his use of extreme torture, with impalement being among his favorite forms of execution. During his rule, approximately 20,000 individuals were killed in this manner and were left on “display” for others to witness their demise. Vlad was also renowned for poisoning the wells of his enemies and for burning crops to ensure starvation ensued. Likewise, other forms of torture and execution were implemented during his reign, including disembowelment, boiling (and skinning) his enemies alive, and beheading individuals for the simplest offenses.
In total, it is currently estimated that Vlad the Impaler was responsible for killing 80,000 to 100,000 people during his time in power. When combined with his extreme disdain for human life, it is easy to see why Vlad III was one of the worst dictators in world history."
Quote: EvenBobQuote: DieterPeople looking for insight into what will land a poster in hot water can safely assume that comparisons with other genocidal dictators may also lead to suspensions.
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Could we get a list of genocidal dictators that are found offensive.
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I suggest erring on the side of paranoia, and maybe avoid warlords, too.
Quote: gordonm888I'll admit that there are many rankings on this list that I disagree with
25 Foday Sankoh
24 Charles Taylor
23 Ho Chi Minh
22 Benito Mussolini
21 Ante Pavelic
20 Yahya Khan
19 Idi Amin
18 Mullah Omar
17 Jonas Savimbi
16 Tōjō Hideki
15 Haji Muhammad Suharto
14 Josip Broz Tito
13 Saddam Hussein
12 Jean Kambanda
11 Leonid Brezhnev
10 Yakubu Gowon
9 Michel Micombero
8 Kim Il Sung
7 Pol Pot
6 Ismail Enver
5 Adolf Hitler
4 Jozef Stalin
3 Leopold II of Belgium
2 Augusto Pinochet
1 Mao Ze Dong
Source: https://list25.com/25-leaders-responsible-for-the-worst-genocides-ever-committed/
Another internet list:
10 Ivan the Terrible
9 Vlad the Impaler
8 Idi Amin
7 Saddam Hussein
6 Pol Pot
5 Leopold II
4 Adolf Hitler
3 Joseph Stalin
2 Genghis Khan
1 Mao Zedong
Source: https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-Top-10-Worst-Dictators-in-History
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Average person forgets about Mao and probably because we needed China to harass the USSR. But he exported food while his country was starving. His people would come to your home and take away all your plates and cookware so you had to eat at the communal cafeteria.
Stalin co-started WWII but that gets washed away since he helped fight Hitler. 30 million Russians died. Not to mention his purges and gulags. If you were a Russian male born in 1918 you had something like a 10% chance of reaching age 30.
I think Himmler needs on the list. He is the one who set up the whole death camp system and administered the racial policies of Nazi Germany.
Far more Irish, Indians, South Africans, Kenyans, Egyptians, Australian natives and the like perished under her rule than Mussolini managed to slaughter.
Quote: billryanI'm going to assume Mussolini makes the list for his invasion of Ethiopia, but I have to ask where Queen Victoria is.
Far more Irish, Indians, South Africans, Kenyans, Egyptians, Australian natives and the like perished under her rule than Mussolini managed to slaughter.
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I would not put that in the same category. The others were very direct cause and effect. The examples above not as much, more regular war.
Quote: SOOPOOSuspension list? Let’s talk about mean Axel. Not mean Vlad the Impaler.
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Well, I do think Hitler deserves more than a 3 day ban here should he show up. Just my humble opinion.
Quote: rxwineQuote: SOOPOOSuspension list? Let’s talk about mean Axel. Not mean Vlad the Impaler.
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Well, I do think Hitler deserves more than a 3 day ban here should he show up. Just my humble opinion.
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If he follows the rules what's the issue?
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: rxwineQuote: SOOPOOSuspension list? Let’s talk about mean Axel. Not mean Vlad the Impaler.
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Well, I do think Hitler deserves more than a 3 day ban here should he show up. Just my humble opinion.
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If he follows the rules what's the issue?
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Remember Rule 0:
Quote:The administration reserves the right to punish any activity it deems disruptive to the forum, whether against these rules or not.
I would imagine that a genocidal madman showing up to the forum would be disruptive, regardless of how well he was following the rules.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: rxwineQuote: SOOPOOSuspension list? Let’s talk about mean Axel. Not mean Vlad the Impaler.
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Well, I do think Hitler deserves more than a 3 day ban here should he show up. Just my humble opinion.
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If he follows the rules what's the issue?
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That sounds like a big if.
I'm guessing problems with rules 12, 5, 18, and 19.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: billryanI'm going to assume Mussolini makes the list for his invasion of Ethiopia, but I have to ask where Queen Victoria is.
Far more Irish, Indians, South Africans, Kenyans, Egyptians, Australian natives and the like perished under her rule than Mussolini managed to slaughter.
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I would not put that in the same category. The others were very direct cause and effect. The examples above not as much, more regular war.
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You're mistaken, but that isn't much of a surprise. The British government induced famine as policy, killing millions of her "subjects" and forcing the Irish diaspora. She forced her religion on millions and killed thousands for keeping their religion.
All regular war, according to you.
I'm sure blowing up villages of natives armed with spears with modern heavy artillery and machine-gunning peaceful protestors are all just regular warfare.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: rxwineQuote: SOOPOOSuspension list? Let’s talk about mean Axel. Not mean Vlad the Impaler.
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Well, I do think Hitler deserves more than a 3 day ban here should he show up. Just my humble opinion.
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If he follows the rules what's the issue?
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Remember Rule 0:Quote:The administration reserves the right to punish any activity it deems disruptive to the forum, whether against these rules or not.
I would imagine that a genocidal madman showing up to the forum would be disruptive, regardless of how well he was following the rules.
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Worse than Jerry Logan? I'd rather have a dictator that follows the rules than a guy like that.
Quote: TigerWuQueen Victoria is not on that list because she was not a dictator. She might be on a list of "world leaders responsible for the deaths of the most people," but I'm not a historian, so I don't know.
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Ghangis Khan was a dictator?
Quote: billryanQuote: TigerWuQueen Victoria is not on that list because she was not a dictator. She might be on a list of "world leaders responsible for the deaths of the most people," but I'm not a historian, so I don't know.
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Ghangis Khan was a dictator?
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I don't know. I guess some people argue he was. Victoria was objectively not, though.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: billryanQuote: TigerWuQueen Victoria is not on that list because she was not a dictator. She might be on a list of "world leaders responsible for the deaths of the most people," but I'm not a historian, so I don't know.
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Ghangis Khan was a dictator?
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I don't know. I guess some people argue he was. Victoria was objectively not, though.
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I thought he was the chef who invented steak tatare?
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: TigerWuQuote: billryanQuote: TigerWuQueen Victoria is not on that list because she was not a dictator. She might be on a list of "world leaders responsible for the deaths of the most people," but I'm not a historian, so I don't know.
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Ghangis Khan was a dictator?
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I don't know. I guess some people argue he was. Victoria was objectively not, though.
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I thought he was the chef who invented steak tatare?
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If that's the case then he's definitely a villain.
And yes that is an actual Disney cartoon. Donald dreams himself as Hitler and does all types of terrible things until he finally wakes up.
Donald Duck speaking faux German in his squeaky voice is hilarious.
It was war propaganda from the forties and like Song of the South (zippety doo dah) with its racial issues Disney doesn't distribute that material on home video currently.
(Song of the South however is only anathema in the US. I have a European Bluray. SMH)
Quote: billryanI'm going to assume Mussolini makes the list for his invasion of Ethiopia, but I have to ask where Queen Victoria is.
Far more Irish, Indians, South Africans, Kenyans, Egyptians, Australian natives and the like perished under her rule than Mussolini managed to slaughter.
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Then what about Queen Elizabeth? Almost every person on earth who was alive at the beginning of her reign had perished by the end of her reign. During her reign, wars, disease, accidental deaths, starvation, homicides, suicides, natural disasters, old age and obesity wiped out most of the Earth's population that was alive at the start of her reign.
Does anyone believe that modern British queens are personally accountable for whatever happens in the world. Way to point fingers and assign blame to blameless people, perhaps a bit of a super-power?
Quote: darkozJust for knowledge I have a rare super 8mm film of Donald Duck as Hitler
And yes that is an actual Disney cartoon. Donald dreams himself as Hitler and does all types of terrible things until he finally wakes up.
Donald Duck speaking faux German in his squeaky voice is hilarious.
It was war propaganda from the forties and like Song of the South (zippety doo dah) with its racial issues Disney doesn't distribute that material on home video currently.
(Song of the South however is only anathema in the US. I have a European Bluray. SMH)
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We had to watch that in U.S. History II in high school. I don't think it was ever meant for home video, it was meant for some warbond program if I recall correctly.
Quote: MDawgNot to be a party pooper, but just because AxelWolf had the extreme bad taste to compare people to Hitler is no reason to start discussing Wolf or Herr Wolf (those were two of Hitler's self-adopted nicknames, surprised?) in a way that makes light of what he did in history. That was a dark time for German people and I doubt too many of them today look back on that era fondly.
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True that. The people I've met who survived the era looked back fondly on when they escaped, not on what they endured.
Quote: darkozJust for knowledge I have a rare super 8mm film of Donald Duck as Hitler
And yes that is an actual Disney cartoon. Donald dreams himself as Hitler and does all types of terrible things until he finally wakes up.
Donald Duck speaking faux German in his squeaky voice is hilarious.
It was war propaganda from the forties and like Song of the South (zippety doo dah) with its racial issues Disney doesn't distribute that material on home video currently.
(Song of the South however is only anathema in the US. I have a European Bluray. SMH)
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Walt Disney was renown in Hollywood and in other circles for his antisemitism. He was quite the bigot.
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: darkozJust for knowledge I have a rare super 8mm film of Donald Duck as Hitler
And yes that is an actual Disney cartoon. Donald dreams himself as Hitler and does all types of terrible things until he finally wakes up.
Donald Duck speaking faux German in his squeaky voice is hilarious.
It was war propaganda from the forties and like Song of the South (zippety doo dah) with its racial issues Disney doesn't distribute that material on home video currently.
(Song of the South however is only anathema in the US. I have a European Bluray. SMH)
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Walt Disney was renown in Hollywood and in other circles for his antisemitism. He was quite the bigot.
tuttigym
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He also underpaid and overworked his cartoonists and he was a genuine Royal a-hole to everybody. Likening somebody to Walt Disney is definitely suspension Worthy
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Walt Disney was renown in Hollywood and in other circles for his antisemitism. He was quite the bigot
tuttigym
back in the day Hollywood
if you formed a line of all of the Directors, Producers, Actors and Actresses who were racist and/or anti-semitic:
it would be several blocks long
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Quote: gordonm888Quote: billryanI'm going to assume Mussolini makes the list for his invasion of Ethiopia, but I have to ask where Queen Victoria is.
Far more Irish, Indians, South Africans, Kenyans, Egyptians, Australian natives and the like perished under her rule than Mussolini managed to slaughter.
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Then what about Queen Elizabeth? Almost every person on earth who was alive at the beginning of her reign had perished by the end of her reign. During her reign, wars, disease, accidental deaths, starvation, homicides, suicides, natural disasters, old age and obesity wiped out most of the Earth's population that was alive at the start of her reign.
Does anyone believe that modern British queens are personally accountable for whatever happens in the world. Way to point fingers and assign blame to blameless people, perhaps a bit of a super-power?
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Queen Elizabeth reversed centuries of British colonialism, although I'm not sure how much credit she deserves for it.
So we hold all the other people on the list responsible for everything done during their reigns, but we give Victoria a pass?
She's a woman so she can't be inherently evil. A quarter of the Irish population starved to death and a third was forced to flee the country while British nobles seized their fields to grow feed for their cattle. Just the suspicion of being a priest was grounds for summary hanging. She was evil and hopefully is burning in hell along with Hitler, Stalin and the rest of the scum.
An old Irish drinking song.
God's curse upon you, Lord Tryvalyn
May your great Queen Victoria rot in hell
May England and its empire suffer under heaven
for the crimes they committed in Black Forty Seven
Quote: tuttigymQuote: darkozJust for knowledge I have a rare super 8mm film of Donald Duck as Hitler
And yes that is an actual Disney cartoon. Donald dreams himself as Hitler and does all types of terrible things until he finally wakes up.
Donald Duck speaking faux German in his squeaky voice is hilarious.
It was war propaganda from the forties and like Song of the South (zippety doo dah) with its racial issues Disney doesn't distribute that material on home video currently.
(Song of the South however is only anathema in the US. I have a European Bluray. SMH)
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Walt Disney was renown in Hollywood and in other circles for his antisemitism. He was quite the bigot.
tuttigym
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I have learned to separate the artist from the art.
Patricia Hightower was a huge anti-semite but I still enjoy the Mr. RIPLEY serial killer stories and Strangers On A Train.
Quote: GandlerQuote: darkozJust for knowledge I have a rare super 8mm film of Donald Duck as Hitler
And yes that is an actual Disney cartoon. Donald dreams himself as Hitler and does all types of terrible things until he finally wakes up.
Donald Duck speaking faux German in his squeaky voice is hilarious.
It was war propaganda from the forties and like Song of the South (zippety doo dah) with its racial issues Disney doesn't distribute that material on home video currently.
(Song of the South however is only anathema in the US. I have a European Bluray. SMH)
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We had to watch that in U.S. History II in high school. I don't think it was ever meant for home video, it was meant for some warbond program if I recall correctly.
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I had an old VHS called Disney Goes to War that had a bunch of WW2 propaganda shorts. I'm not sure it was authorized. It was the late 80s.
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Queen Elizabeth reversed centuries of British colonialism, although I'm not sure how much credit she deserves for it.
So we hold all the other people on the list responsible for everything done during their reigns, but we give Victoria a pass?
She's a woman so she can't be inherently evil. A quarter of the Irish population starved to death and a third was forced to flee the country while British nobles seized their fields to grow feed for their cattle. Just the suspicion of being a priest was grounds for summary hanging. She was evil and hopefully is burning in hell along with Hitler, Stalin and the rest of the scum.
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Assuming that's all true she still wasn't a dictator.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: billryan
Queen Elizabeth reversed centuries of British colonialism, although I'm not sure how much credit she deserves for it.
So we hold all the other people on the list responsible for everything done during their reigns, but we give Victoria a pass?
She's a woman so she can't be inherently evil. A quarter of the Irish population starved to death and a third was forced to flee the country while British nobles seized their fields to grow feed for their cattle. Just the suspicion of being a priest was grounds for summary hanging. She was evil and hopefully is burning in hell along with Hitler, Stalin and the rest of the scum.
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Assuming that's all true she still wasn't a dictator.
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Why? Perhaps you can give us your definition of a dictator?
Quote: TigerWuQuote: billryan
Queen Elizabeth reversed centuries of British colonialism, although I'm not sure how much credit she deserves for it.
So we hold all the other people on the list responsible for everything done during their reigns, but we give Victoria a pass?
She's a woman so she can't be inherently evil. A quarter of the Irish population starved to death and a third was forced to flee the country while British nobles seized their fields to grow feed for their cattle. Just the suspicion of being a priest was grounds for summary hanging. She was evil and hopefully is burning in hell along with Hitler, Stalin and the rest of the scum.
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Assuming that's all true she still wasn't a dictator.
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Why? Perhaps you can give us your definition of a dictator?
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Why? Perhaps you can give us your definition of a dictator?
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Dictator
Queen Victoria was a constitutional monarch.
Quote: billryanA quarter of the Irish population starved to death and a third was forced to flee the country while British nobles seized their fields to grow feed for their cattle. Just the suspicion of being a priest was grounds for summary hanging. She was evil and hopefully is burning in hell along with Hitler, Stalin and the rest of the scum.
That's the way things were.
A bunch of drunks vs. a bunch of merchants.
Quote: SOOPOOModerators…. You TWO are encouraging this multi page, multi day hijack! Suspend yourselves! I want to read about someone who broke rule 3 and is in timeout for 3 days, not who killed more people than the other baddies!
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You are correct.
So back on track.
AxelWolf is on suspension
For likening someone to Hitler.
Who may be the worst dictator in history.
Damn, back on that subject hijack and I didn't even finish the post.
