Discussion II about the Suspension List
Quote: billryan... some things I can see be penalty worthy is talking about raping or killing a moderator, taking shots at a mods family
There are precedents along those lines that I expect are common knowledge.
Ohhh. I might have missed that. PM me a link. Did they have the video? I hope they didn't have the video.Quote:or suggesting two or more mods have sex with each other in more vulgar terms.
Indeed, why not. Where would we draw the line? interpreting friendly chats between, say a slightly hostile suspended member and an extremely hostile ex-member and assigning guilt by association? Pah. Life's too short.Quote:Venting and complaining should be fine.
I think if someone is seriously stalking or threatening someone who is a member on this forum over on a different forum, or in real life, that should be enough to ban them here.Quote: MDawgA little venting is one thing but if someone consistently says the same sort of hateful nonsense about the Wizard he should be shown the door.
You have been ofically bumped up to a C-.Quote: gordonm888Heck, Axel rated Dieter and I a D- on his Worse Moderator of All Time scale and said that if we were hot babes we would have rated higher. Which was funny!!
Thanks
All 15 people will welcome you. 150 people if you include all Nathans sock puppets.Quote: mwalz9Someone PM me a forum I can join and actually talk to you guys not scared to be suspended!
Thanks
Quote: mwalz9Someone PM me a forum I can join and actually talk to you guys not scared to be suspended!
Thanks
Avoiding suspension on this forum is not terribly difficult.
If a suspension occurs, take a break for a few days and then return to continue participating.
A couple of unsolicited suggestions...
Try to only participate in threads with content you are interested in, appreciate, or enjoy.
Try to only quote other member's posts with content you are interested in, appreciate, or enjoy.
Focus responses on the content of a member's post and not the member personally.
I certainly hope you change your mind and continue participating here at WOV.
Quote: BoSoxA little off subject here but I think all the Administrators should discuss privately concerning any suspended member/member's sometimes lambasting the Wizard as well as different administrators on other gaming sites while in suspension. I know free speech and all but there is something about this practice that I find disturbing. When the individual returns from suspension and acts like everything are back to normal is hypocrisy at its finest. Realize it or not that is a huge flaw in the rules here whereby a member may get a small minor suspension on this site, only to have an excuse to play real hardball on another site totally protected.
People decide how they portray themselves online.
My purview is what happens here.
This is a classy place; people are expected to act classy here.
I may not like it if someone goes across the street and kvetches about how my haircut makes me look foolish (... or whatever), but it would be unfair to throw them out for cussing and spitting on the floor before they spit on the floor or cuss.
Quote: rxwineThen I could shorten responses to, "You're an idiot." when it's obvious that one is wasting their breath with explanations. Very logical.
Isn't there an emoji for that?
Quote: mwalz9Someone PM me a forum I can join and actually talk to you guys not scared to be suspended!
Thanks
Here's a couple sites I think you might enjoy:
https://www.inforum.com/lifestyle/pets/999119-The-Forum-introduces-new-section-dedicated-to-pets-our-furry-family-members
https://www.safespace.com/
ZCore13
Quote: KeeneoneFocus responses on the content of a member's post and not the member personally.
You mean like saying someone who has no chance of being a mod, that they wont be a mod?
I felt like that was 100% attacking the speech and not the author.
I know I wouldn't make a good Chippendale dancer, so I would never apply. Ya know?
I didnt apply to be a mod here and would have 0 offense to someone telling me I couldnt be. I probably have one of the highest suspension to post ratios here.
I guess we all see things a little different.
Quote: Zcore13Here's a couple sites I think you might enjoy:
https://www.inforum.com/lifestyle/pets/999119-The-Forum-introduces-new-section-dedicated-to-pets-our-furry-family-members
https://www.safespace.com/
ZCore13
This is funny! You win the internet tonight!
As a general statement, if you want to criticize me here within WOV, go ahead and do so. As long as the tone and language don't become extreme, I'll try to listen to what you have to say.
Quote: gordonm888I have my hands full trying to follow what is going on in WOV without looking at what people are posting on other sites. I have a life outside the internet and I just can't spend 24/7 reading other posts at other sites. So, my policy for the foreseeable future is to ignore the other sites.
As a general statement, if you want to criticize me here within WOV, go ahead and do so. As long as the tone and language don't become extreme, I'll try to listen to what you have to say.
PERFECT! 110% to the max perfect!
Thanks, Marcus
Quote: Marcusclark66PERFECT! 110% to the max perfect!
Thanks, Marcus
Lol, Marcus gets excited at the prospect of being able to criticize mods.
Things that make you go hmmmm!
And he still had as many sig lines in his the body of his post as he had content lines. Old habits die hard.Quote: darkozLol, Marcus gets excited at the prospect of being able to criticize mods.
Things that make you go hmmmm!
$:o(
Quote: darkozLol, Marcus gets excited at the prospect of being able to criticize mods.
Things that make you go hmmmm!
Criticize?
I was complimenting and agreeing with him!
Seriously why the degradation towards my response??
Quote: Marcusclark66Criticize?
I was complimenting and agreeing with him!
Seriously why the degradation towards my response??
You agreed with Gordon's comments that welcomed criticism.
Are you saying that's not true?
Quote: Marcusclark66Seriously why the degradation towards my response??
At least he recognized you degraded his response and not him. At least we're getting somewhere!
This is what I agreed with that was perfect and spot-on. Now stop with all the comments that degrade somebody!
"I have my hands full trying to follow what is going on in WOV without looking at what people are posting on other sites. I have a life outside the internet and I just can't spend 24/7 reading other posts at other sites. So, my policy for the foreseeable future is to ignore the other sites."
Period.
Quote: KeeneoneAvoiding suspension on this forum is not terribly difficult.
If a suspension occurs, take a break for a few days and then return to continue participating.
A couple of unsolicited suggestions...
Try to only participate in threads with content you are interested in, appreciate, or enjoy.
Try to only quote other member's posts with content you are interested in, appreciate, or enjoy.
Focus responses on the content of a member's post and not the member personally.
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Quote: Marcusclark66Now stop with all the comments that degrade somebody!
Who is degrading anybody????
It seems that the mods are doing a lot of interpreting that is just not correct. It also seems that the mods somehow believe a number of individuals on this forum cannot stand up for themselves and just speak up. Personal dignity as well as intellectual rebuttal is being squelched. Let the parties face-off and have at it as long as it is civil. At some point in time and conversation the mods CAN step in and end it appropriately.
tuttigym
Couple of questions for MDawg:-Quote: MDawgWho wins the kewpie doll for declaring (with or without a solemn oath) that he will never post at WOV again, and yet posts again? A competition in progress....
1) How can this not be considered an unprovoked attempt at trolling/hijack?
2) What penalty is appropriate in light of your most recent suspension for the same offence?
Quote: OnceDearCouple of questions for MDawg:-
1) How can this not be considered an unprovoked attempt at trolling/hijack?
2) What penalty is appropriate in light of your most recent suspension for the same offence?
Hijacking?!?!? This is discussion about the suspension list thread. It is likely the most interesting thing brought up in this thread in the past 100 pages or so…
It does not mention or relate to the suspension list. It seems to be goading someone. Can you guess who?Quote: SOOPOOHijacking?!?!? This is discussion about the suspension list thread. It is likely the most interesting thing brought up in this thread in the past 100 pages or so…
Quote: SOOPOOHijacking?!?!? This is discussion about the suspension list thread. It is likely the most interesting thing brought up in this thread in the past 100 pages or so…
You read 100 pages!!!
Quote: OnceDearIt does not mention or relate to the suspension list. It seems to be goading someone. Can you guess who?
The poster that recently said he was done posting here and keeps posting?
Quote: rxwineYou read 100 pages!!!
I would surmise I’ve read 95+% of the posts in this thread.
OnceDear….. of course MDawg was goading unnamed forum members. But it was cleverly done, and should not even approach a suspendable moment. I can already sense the zoom meeting between OnceDear, Gordon, Dieter, and the Wiz discussing this important topic…. NOT!
- Frequently there is banter in the forum that is of a joking nature -sort of a good-natured joshing. Please, let's not interpret every humorous jibe as an insult.
Quote: MDawgWho wins the kewpie doll for declaring (with or without a solemn oath) that he will never post at WOV again, and yet posts again? A competition in progress....
This post offends me.
I see it as a personal insult.
I am back because Ive had various PMs asking me not to go!
I am highly offended by this insult!
Yes, I said I wasnt going to post again. I had 4 members reach out to me privately and say theyd hate to see me go over trivial nonsense as Ive been here since 2012. I decided to stay. Then I deal with this BS.
I can assure you what MDawg just said about me is more insulting than anything I have said. If this is allowed, I really am going away for good!
Quote: mwalz9This post offends me.
I see it as a personal insult.
I am back because Ive had various PMs asking me not to go!
I am highly offended by this insult!
Yes, I said I wasnt going to post again. I had 4 members reach out to me privately and say theyd hate to see me go over trivial nonsense as Ive been here since 2012. I decided to stay. Then I deal with this BS.
I can assure you what MDawg just said about me is more insulting than anything I have said. If this is allowed, I really am going away for good!
You PM'd and I forgot to respond so sorry.
But you can add me as a fifth member that was going to suggest you stay.
You really can't let them get to you.
Quote: darkozYou PM'd and I forgot to respond so sorry.
But you can add me as a fifth member that was going to suggest you stay.
You really can't let them get to you.
Thanks. I respect you and your opinion a lot. Its just sad that I get suspended for saying what I say, then stuff like this gets let thru.
I give it to OnceDear, he is fair and super lienient with everyone!
I have received a PM from a MOD who I hope is handling this.
Thanks again.
5 days.
Quote: DieterMDawg is suspended for violating Rules 7 and 12.
5 days.
Thank you, Dieter!
Quote: mwalz9This post offends me.
I see it as a personal insult.
I am back because Ive had various PMs asking me not to go!
I am highly offended by this insult!
Yes, I said I wasnt going to post again. I had 4 members reach out to me privately and say theyd hate to see me go over trivial nonsense as Ive been here since 2012. I decided to stay. Then I deal with this BS.
I can assure you what MDawg just said about me is more insulting than anything I have said. If this is allowed, I really am going away for good!
mwalz9, I do not believe MDawg's post had anything to do with you, at all, but another person who is currently on the suspended list.
Quote: BoSoxmwalz9, I do not believe MDawg's post had anything to do with you, at all, but another person who is currently on the suspended list.
It was still out of line.
Quote: DieterIt was still out of line.
No complaint on my part, as the administration of the site is none of my business.
Quote: mwalz9Thanks. I respect you and your opinion a lot. Its just sad that I get suspended for saying what I say, then stuff like this gets let thru.
I just came back from a suspension Saturday. When I come back I just act like nothing happened, I don't care what other people did or did not get suspended for. Life is way too short to spend worrying about the little insignificant stuff.
You have moved from a D- to a C-. You could have been at a C+ however, you miserably fail when it comes to Martingale since that wasn't anything close to Martingaling.Quote: DieterMDawg is suspended for violating Rules 7 and 12.
5 days.
Quote: AxelWolfYou have moved from a D- to a C-. You could have been at a C+ however, you miserably fail when it comes to Martingale since that wasn't anything close to Martingaling.
Hey! Unfair! It took me 3 years to get up to an F !
Interesting to see the spread of opinions on this suspension of MDawg. I fully support Dieter, for his pretty lenient 5 day suspension. I was leaning towards 7 days with no Marty, for this minor issue.
This goes to show that there is something to the precedent that if one complains about personal insult, that has SOME bearing on whether a penalty is imposed or not.
I note that Mwalz has been on the receiving end of some pretty strict penalties for 'personal insult', so it's only fair that a similar perceived insult to him is dealt with to broadly the same benchmark.
When I reacted in thread, it was my intention to see if Mdawg or someone else would explain his 'little joke'. I was unsure who he was goading, but it definitely was goading someone.
At the end of the day, it's only suspension on a forum. Hardly a fate worth than death.
And only 2.5 years to issue your first suspension, or so it seems. You are still on makeup, it will take lots of extra credit to dig your way up to a passing grade.Quote: OnceDearHey! Unfair! It took me 3 years to get up to an F !
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Quote: AxelWolfYou have moved from a D- to a C-. You could have been at a C+ however, you miserably fail when it comes to Martingale since that wasn't anything close to Martingaling.
Half Kelly, not Martingale. The Big Six wheel that we usually use for sentencing needs a new flapper, so I was stuck with my shaved dice.
Quote: EvenBobI just came back from a suspension Saturday. When I come back I just act like nothing happened, I don't care what other people did or did not get suspended for. Life is way too short to spend worrying about the little insignificant stuff.
That's the best attitude, but some people take it WAY too personally.
The reality is this forum is like a kindergarten where the kids are filled with energy and occasionally cross the line; this results in them having to serve some "time out" in the corner.
Suspension is in service of educating, corralling, and punishing.
Quote: MrVThat's the best attitude, but some people take it WAY too personally.
Some people spend half their lives worrying
about fairness. When did you ever run into
anything in life that was 'fair'. It's a concept
that doesn't exist in nature and one impossible to
reach for man. Why ever bother thinking about it.
My brother in law dropped dead from heatstroke
last week in FL at age 70. 45 years with the
same company he hated, all so he could have
a huge retirement income and live the life.
Mowing his lawn in Aug in FL he fell off the
tractor and died 4 hours later. 3 years after
he retired. How is that fair.
Quote: EvenBobSome people spend half their lives worrying
about fairness. When did you ever run into
anything in life that was 'fair'. It's a concept
that doesn't exist in nature and one impossible to
reach for man. Why ever bother thinking about it.
My brother in law dropped dead from heatstroke
last week in FL at age 70. 45 years with the
same company he hated, all so he could have
a huge retirement income and live the life.
Mowing his lawn in Aug in FL he fell off the
tractor and died 4 hours later. 3 years after
he retired. How is that fair.
That sounds like life was fair to him.
Death was not!
Sounds like he could have benefited from some of your guaranteed Roulette strategies.
Quote: darkoz
Sounds like he could have benefited from some of your guaranteed Roulette strategies.
Why, he was independently wealthy. He started
buying rental properties in FL in the 80's, god
knows how many he had when he died. He
didn't gamble anyway or smoke or drink. He
was a god fearing Xtion.
