Discussion II about the Suspension List
We have lost a few long-time members posting here as a result of MDawg.Quote: EvenBobWithout socks, post count would drop 25% and this would be a far less interesting place. Why nuke them at all if they are not causing trouble.
Some people think the BS being allowed to spew here nowadays makes this forum a complete joke and flies in the face of Mike's own System player's statement.
Not related to MDawg, but in general, one can apply it to anyone you wish.
There is a difference between free speech vs trolling, flaming and causing discord for the sake of narcissistic attention-seeking b*******.
One might think this post is a good example of that.
Quote: MDawg
Quote: AxelWolfWe have lost a few long-time members posting here as a result of MDawg.
Some people think the BS being allowed to spew here nowadays makes this forum a complete joke and flies in the face of Mike's own System player's statement.
Not related to MDawg, but in general, one can apply it to anyone you wish.
There is a difference between free speech vs trolling, flaming and causing discord for the sake of narcissistic attention-seeking b*******.
One might think this post is a good example of that.Quote: MDawg
You can block or just ignore entire sections of the forum. If nobody replied to the system posts there would be no conversations about them.
ZCore23
You can say whatever what you want, but we can both agree Steve Martin has never made a bad movie. If a member leaves, it is because they are on drugs by their own volition. Casinos are flooded with Mdawgs, all winners if their husbands would just walk away and leave them alone or men blaming someone for mentioning a quit point or how they shouldn't give it all back, or they wouldn't have done it.Quote: AxelWolfWe have lost a few long-time members posting here as a result of MDawg.
Some people think the BS being allowed to spew here nowadays makes this forum a complete joke and flies in the face of Mike's own System player's statement.
Not related to MDawg, but in general, one can apply it to anyone you wish.
There is a difference between free speech vs trolling, flaming and causing discord for the sake of narcissistic attention-seeking b*******.
One might think this post is a good example of that.Quote: MDawg
You can, but as we all know that's just not how things work, that's not how all people are wired, if that was the case,(we all ignored and blocked) all the forums would be utopian. That also doesn't solve the problems of new members having to find and read all the BS before they figure out what's up. If no one ever said anything then we would have people believing in all kinds of crap, even to the point where people get scammed.Quote: Zcore13Quote: AxelWolfWe have lost a few long-time members posting here as a result of MDawg.
Some people think the BS being allowed to spew here nowadays makes this forum a complete joke and flies in the face of Mike's own System player's statement.
Not related to MDawg, but in general, one can apply it to anyone you wish.
There is a difference between free speech vs trolling, flaming and causing discord for the sake of narcissistic attention-seeking b*******.
One might think this post is a good example of that.Quote: MDawg
You can block or just ignore entire sections of the forum. If nobody replied to the system posts there would be no conversations about them.
ZCore23
As far as I'm concerned, if this little shindig goes off with Dark Oz and MDawg, in my mind DarkOz gets scammed. He can dress it up and spin it however he likes since he knows what's up, but, that doesn't make it that much less scammish to some of us on the forums.
Quote: AxelWolfYou can, but as we all know that's just not how things work, that's not how all people are wired, if that was the case,(we all ignored and blocked) all the forums would be utopian. That also doesn't solve the problems of new members having to find and read all the BS before they figure out what's up. If no one ever said anything then we would have people believing in all kinds of crap, even to the point where people get scammed.Quote: Zcore13Quote: AxelWolfWe have lost a few long-time members posting here as a result of MDawg.
Some people think the BS being allowed to spew here nowadays makes this forum a complete joke and flies in the face of Mike's own System player's statement.
Not related to MDawg, but in general, one can apply it to anyone you wish.
There is a difference between free speech vs trolling, flaming and causing discord for the sake of narcissistic attention-seeking b*******.
One might think this post is a good example of that.Quote: MDawg
You can block or just ignore entire sections of the forum. If nobody replied to the system posts there would be no conversations about them.
ZCore23
Although I tend to agree with just blocking threads of subject material one doesn’t like, this last is a good point. But I think if mods do things like lock any duplicate or overlapping nonsense threads it may suffice to keep the nonsense at a dull roar.
Quote: Zcore13Quote: AxelWolfWe have lost a few long-time members posting here as a result of MDawg.
Some people think the BS being allowed to spew here nowadays makes this forum a complete joke and flies in the face of Mike's own System player's statement.
Not related to MDawg, but in general, one can apply it to anyone you wish.
There is a difference between free speech vs trolling, flaming and causing discord for the sake of narcissistic attention-seeking b*******.
One might think this post is a good example of that.Quote: MDawg
You can block or just ignore entire sections of the forum. If nobody replied to the system posts there would be no conversations about them.
ZCore23
This is not true. There is a long history of system players creating sock accounts to keep the conversation going.
Quote: OnceDearEasy to spot. Hard to prove.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfA better question would be... What took so long?Quote: FTBWhy is Wellbush in red?
The socks are easy to spot here, unless of course you are a mod. It takes days and weeks and lots of head-scratching.
Who in this thread advocates a policy of nuking on gut instinct?
Yeh, and you got that right, gut instinct gone awry. I see plenty of posts by AW, ZC, SP and CC. All of whom I've blocked, so I don't know what they're saying, and do you think I care? You know I've mentioned this before...group think. Does WOV think that by having a certain underlying bias of mathematical theory, and cancelling anyone with a divergent view, is gonna help or hinder this website ?
Go on, nuke me. I think you'd be making a mistake if WOV wants to grow. I've also said a number of times that I totally agree with math - that 1 + 1 = 2, and nearly every other mathematical truth around. So what's to argue about ? That I think there MAY be areas in games played that mathematical theory doesn't cover??!! Shock, horror, blasphemy, crucify him!!!
I don't for one moment espouse illogical truths! Still scratchin' your heads? Yah probably just don't like my open-minded opinions that don't quite fit the mathematical equations. Poor dears
That's a nice Avatar, it looks very similar to a former member's Avatar.Quote: Wellbush
That's a nice Avatar, it looks very similar to a former member's Avatar.Quote: Wellbush
Phew! it seems to have.
Quote: WellbushQuote: OnceDearEasy to spot. Hard to prove.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfA better question would be... What took so long?Quote: FTBWhy is Wellbush in red?
The socks are easy to spot here, unless of course you are a mod. It takes days and weeks and lots of head-scratching.
Who in this thread advocates a policy of nuking on gut instinct?
Yeh, and you got that right, gut instinct gone awry. I see plenty of posts by AW, ZC, SP and CC. All of whom I've blocked, so I don't know what they're saying, and do you think I care? You know I've mentioned this before...group think. Does WOV think that by having a certain underlying bias of mathematical theory, and cancelling anyone with a divergent view, is gonna help or hinder this website ?
Go on, nuke me. I think you'd be making a mistake if WOV wants to grow. I've also said a number of times that I totally agree with math - that 1 + 1 = 2, and nearly every other mathematical truth around. So what's to argue about ? That I think there MAY be areas in games played that mathematical theory doesn't cover??!! Shock, horror, blasphemy, crucify him!!!
I don't for one moment espouse illogical truths! Still scratchin' your heads? Yah probably just don't like my open-minded opinions that don't quite fit the mathematical equations. Poor dears
Casinos' just love people with open-minded opinions, they help pay the bills.
Of course, you wouldn't have been there had I not gotten banned to begin with.
ADDED: Looks like it was RS.
Quote: FTBWelcome back. You took a bullet for the team.
Thanks! I don't mind the occasional bullet. Builds character and the Hospital for the Temporarily Suspended actually has great food.
Besides that, I see that the subject that led to my Suspension has been temporarily Suspended himself. It appears that I will enjoy my time back more than the days leading up to my Suspension.
Quote: Mission146Thanks! I don't mind the occasional bullet. Builds character and the Hospital for the Temporarily Suspended actually has great food.
Besides that, I see that the subject that led to my Suspension has been temporarily Suspended himself. It appears that I will enjoy my time back more than the days leading up to my Suspension.
And his suspension was a lot longer.
A whole month I believe
Quote: darkozAnd his suspension was a lot longer.
A whole month I believe
Not long enough
Quote: FTBWelcome back. You took a bullet for the team.
He took a bullet for profanity
I have served my "7 day suspension" under my real name for 2 weeks now.
What's the deal?
If someone activates me, I'll happily delete this name and resume usage on my old one.
Thanks!
mwalz9
That's not the way to do it. But I accept that your Other Id has been suspended a few days beyond term. so I have unsuspended that one. Banned this one.Quote: mwalz5Probably going to receive another suspension for making this name, but I have sent many emails with no repsonse.
I have served my "7 day suspension" under my real name for 2 weeks now.
What's the deal?
If someone activates me, I'll happily delete this name and resume usage on my old one.
Thanks!
mwalz9
No other penalty for the multi ID issue on this occasion.
OD
I tried to email 3 times before I made another name.
Didn't know what else to do?
Quote: mwalz9Appreciate it, OnceDear!
I tried to email 3 times before I made another name.
Didn't know what else to do?
I have had the same issue myself.
The mods say go to sister site DT (Diversity Tomorrow) and open an account, then message the Wizard there.
If the situation arises again.
I personally don't bother. Usually the mods remember. Longest extra I had to wait was two weeks.
They need some type of alarm notification similar to when a PM is sent. "Hello, you have a member account to unlock" or something.
Quote: darkoz
They need some type of alarm notification similar to when a PM is sent. "Hello, you have a member account to unlock" or something.
Seems like it could have been designed to automatically unblock someone when it reaches the appropriate date. And no need for a separate system for the permanently banned. Just assign a date 100 years from now.
Who got rid of Caron36 anyway? Are mods allowed to do moderation work while suspended? Are suspended mods allowed to "Like" posts while suspended? Not objecting just wondering.
so a super secret mod suspended OnceDear?
Quote: 100xOddsOnceDear 7/6/21 3days 'Implied Personal insult' 7/9/21
so a super secret mod suspended OnceDear?
He might have suspended himself.
. I remember (I think?) that he said he was going to suspend himself. We will find out tomorrow! I know the Wizard has self suspended in the past.Quote: Mission146He might have suspended himself.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/36179-casino-anti-money-laundering-and-compliance/6/#post813834
Quote: unJonWhy was coachbelly suspended for false quoting? The post linked has coachbelly making an accurate quote of Axel Wolf’s previous post.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/36179-casino-anti-money-laundering-and-compliance/6/#post813834
If someone can show me where Axel wrote about himself or his crew front loading, I'll take Coach off suspension and let him bank the time served.
Quote: WizardIf someone can show me where Axel wrote about himself or his crew front loading, I'll take Coach off suspension and let him bank the time served.
To my recollection it's buried deep the hidden adventures thread. It was around the time of the challenge MDawg said he would prove his winning and I believe Axel mentioned frontloading progressive machines as an example of how wins, losses can be manipulated and that's why he was sceptical of any wager about losses vs wins etc.
He was referring to it's possibility, not that he did it himself.
And (I am not a coach belly fan but I call it like I see it) coach belly words were written in a way it could be misinterpreted that he was saying Axel did it. I saw it both ways. And Coach confirmed later he meant the way described above, that Axel was just discussing how it could be done.
Quote: coachbellyI'll look, but are you sure that you haven't written about front-loading must hits or multipliers or some other methods of using confederates to set up and win a "prove I can win at the machines" type bet?
I'm not saying that you admitted to doing that, only that you are aware of it and have written about it.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/36179-casino-anti-money-laundering-and-compliance/6/#post813844
Quote: darkozTo my recollection it's buried deep the hidden adventures thread.
Axel vehemently denies saying that at WoV. I will be happy to revisit the issue if somebody gives me an exact URL.
Quote: WizardAxel vehemently denies saying that at WoV. I will be happy to revisit the issue if somebody gives me an exact URL.
Well, I don't like Coach Belly enough to dig.
See ya in a few days Coach.
Quote: darkozTo my recollection it's buried deep the hidden adventures thread. It was around the time of the challenge MDawg said he would prove his winning and I believe Axel mentioned frontloading progressive machines as an example of how wins, losses can be manipulated and that's why he was sceptical of any wager about losses vs wins etc.
He was referring to it's possibility, not that he did it himself.
And (I am not a coach belly fan but I call it like I see it) coach belly words were written in a way it could be misinterpreted that he was saying Axel did it. I saw it both ways. And Coach confirmed later he meant the way described above, that Axel was just discussing how it could be done.
I tend to agree with these statements, but since when is talking about things that could theoretically be done sufficient for Coach Belly?
Oh, and I wouldn’t say I’m, “Not a fan.” As long as he generally keeps to the Forum Rules, he seems to enjoy himself. There’s only one person to blame for me getting sucked into an endless line of questioning, and it’s the guy I see in the mirror.
I gave 5 minutes of my time to assist CoachBelly. Nearest I could find was this post of his.Quote: WizardAxel vehemently denies saying that at WoV. I will be happy to revisit the issue if somebody gives me an exact URL.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/35348-the-darkoz-challenge/2/#post786269
He can still search the forum from his suspended status, and he can contact me if he finds something.
Quote: OnceDearI gave 5 minutes of my time to assist CoachBelly. Nearest I could find was this post of his.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/35348-the-darkoz-challenge/2/#post786269
He can still search the forum from his suspended status, and he can contact me if he finds something.
I read all four pages.
Third page Axel gives a response that at least implies he is aware of front-loading.
The conversation is mostly Coach Belly goading me by basically calling me a liar until I literally show him what I do (claiming no evidence is good enough because he thinks I faked it.)
It's a perfect thread example of why a lot of forum members don't like Coach Belly.
Of course I'm aware of frontloading. I would even venture to say, I was probably aware of it before anyone here. I will not confirm or deny that I have frontloaded for myself.Quote: darkozI read all four pages.
Third page Axel gives a response that at least implies he is aware of front-loading.
The conversation is mostly Coach Belly goading me by basically calling me a liar until I literally show him what I do (claiming no evidence is good enough because he thinks I faked it.)
It's a perfect thread example of why a lot of forum members don't like Coach Belly.
One would have to define frontloading in a way that would cover all aspects. One might claim to play a progressive and getting relieved from your seat is technically frontloading among other situations. I know exactly what he meant, so that's really a moot point.
Coach accused me of claiming I admitted to frontloading for others or having other of frontloading for me.
Quote: AxelWolfOf course I'm aware of frontloading. I would even venture to say, I was probably aware of it before anyone here. I will not confirm or deny that I have frontloaded for myself.
One would have to define frontloading in a way that would cover all aspects. One might claim to play a progressive and getting relieved from your seat is technically frontloading among other situations. I know exactly what he meant, so that's really a moot point.
Coach accused me of claiming I admitted to frontloading for others or having other of frontloading for me.
Quote: coachbellyMy understanding is that it's not permitted to do that here,
but you've written about confederates front-loading must hit-bys or multipliers
in order to win a bet...haven't you?
I believe that's the post in question, correct?
As I said prior, when I first read it I saw the ambiguity. It comes from the word Confederates and lack of attribution. It can be read as "Your" Confederates (meaning you and your crew are doing it) or as Confederates in general (meaning you wrote of how you are aware of people working together)
I get that it's ambiguously written but a post or two later Coach elucidated he meant the latter meaning (perhaps he realized the ambiguity as well).
That's my two cents.
Quote: coachbellyMy understanding is that it's not permitted to do that here,
but you've written about confederates front-loading must hit-bys or multipliers
in order to win a bet...haven't you?
Below as I believe Axel is reading it. Capitalized words are mine
Quote: coachbellyMy understanding is that it's not permitted to do that here,
but you've written about YOUR confederates front-loading must hit-bys or multipliers
in order to win a bet...haven't you?
Below is what Coach Belly claims he meant. Capitalized words are mine.
Quote: coachbellyMy understanding is that it's not permitted to do that here,
but you've written about GROUPS OF confederates front-loading must hit-bys or multipliers
in order to win a bet...haven't you?
This is what I mean by lack of attribution to the word Confederates. Meaning is changed by specificity lacking in the original post.
Maybe some might disagree, but, in my opinion, I could name a wide variety of other games where a profitable expectation situation can be, "Front loaded," and the, "Confederate," not at any risk of taking away the situation he was trying to create in the process.
Quote: MrVWhat is "front loading?"
Unless I misunderstood the context, creating an advantageous situation on a variable-state slot machine for someone else to come in and finish playing.
Quote: unJonI think it’s a BS suspension myself. But I’m no mod here (not even the secret kind).
As are a fairly decent percentage of them, but this particular one makes less sense than most of them.
Quote: Mission146Unless I misunderstood the context, creating an advantageous situation on a variable-state slot machine for someone else to come in and finish playing.
If I'm not mistaken the idea was in context of proving someone always wins.
So if I understand it, someone frontloads a MH for say $10,000. He plays until the meter has turned the game +EV.
By then handing it off to his Confederate, the Confederate will be able to prove he has guaranteed a winning session when he hits the Must Hit (MDawg was presenting a wager to show he always wins at the time).
Meanwhile in reality, money was actually lost when you factor in the Confederate play beforehand.
That was the specific context I understood it to be.
In general, I would imagine frontloading MH purpose would be to gamble for comps on multiple people cards running up the meter. Then one person gets most of the losses back when it hits. And the comps from the Confederates in the future make it an overall +EV situation.
If you follow along, he indicated that "I recall a scenario of having a confederate front-load a must-hit-by machine in order to win a similar challenge." and suggested that's how I operate.Quote: darkozI believe that's the post in question, correct?
As I said prior, when I first read it I saw the ambiguity. It comes from the word Confederates and lack of attribution. It can be read as "Your" Confederates (meaning you and your crew are doing it) or as Confederates in general (meaning you wrote of how you are aware of people working together)
I get that it's ambiguously written but a post or two later Coach elucidated he meant the latter meaning (perhaps he realized the ambiguity as well).
That's my two cents.
That's absolutely untrue and offensive.
Quote: darkozIf I'm not mistaken the idea was in context of proving someone always wins.
So if I understand it, someone frontloads a MH for say $10,000. He plays until the meter has turned the game +EV.
By then handing it off to his Confederate, the Confederate will be able to prove he has guaranteed a winning session when he hits the Must Hit (MDawg was presenting a wager to show he always wins at the time).
Meanwhile in reality, money was actually lost when you factor in the Confederate play beforehand.
That was the specific context I understood it to be.
In general, I would imagine frontloading MH purpose would be to gamble for comps on multiple people cards running up the meter. Then one person gets most of the losses back when it hits. And the comps from the Confederates in the future make it an overall +EV situation.
That's what I understood, as well, but it doesn't seem like the most reliable machine in the world to do that on unless you know for sure that it runs high. (Meaning in the context of a one time bet)
Meow, I might know a better machine to do that on, depending on how much the person is supposed to be winning. And, actually, while the person is doing that...a backup opportunity can be being set up on other machines.
But, yeah, you could definitely collude with someone to frontload in such a way that you just run around and win---if not on almost every play---almost every machine that you touch. I don't think anyone here would do that, but it would be trivial to do.
Quote: unJonI think it’s a BS suspension myself. But I’m no mod here (not even the secret kind).
A real invalid suspension was for "smelling the pot roast." Apparently, someone claimed "victimhood" or something. Mr. W. never explained, when asked, his rationale and never apologized for his lack of good judgement. It seems that, in my opinion, judgement and fortitude are qualities that need to be personally reviewed.
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