Discussion II about the Suspension List
Quote: Mission146Statements that could be loosely perceived as a Rules violation in this context removed. Pending Wizard saying otherwise. I
I agree. Warnings have been sent to respect rule 4 regarding the respect of personal information of other members. The next violation will result in a lengthy suspension.
odd that monet0412 would create multiple accts since he voluntarily resigned.
he could just come back as monet0412 after the min 30days?
and now that he's been caught creating other accts, he's been permabanned and cant come back.
ironic
Quote: 100xOddsmonet0412, pingpangpong, RollinHard, Rawhide1900, FakeSockPuppet
odd that monet0412 would create multiple accts since he voluntarily resigned.
he could just come back as monet0412 after the min 30days (which has been reached)?
and now that he's been caught creating other accts, he's been permabanned and cant come back.
ironic
Yeah, he could have, but he didn't do it that way. Unfortunately.
If anyone can sock, could be anyone. People say people have distinguishable writing styles, though it might be true after enough writing, I don't always believe it at face value. People say they know it's buzzard, but it's because what he says, that anyone can mention. His two big subjects are Jodie and Baltimore, and also addressing Wizard as Mike.Quote: 100xOddsmonet0412, pingpangpong, RollinHard, Rawhide1900, FakeSockPuppet
odd that monet0412 would create multiple accts since he voluntarily resigned.
he could just come back as monet0412 after the min 30days?
and now that he's been caught creating other accts, he's been permabanned and cant come back.
ironic
Quote: 100xOddsmonet0412, pingpangpong, RollinHard, Rawhide1900, FakeSockPuppet
odd that monet0412 would create multiple accts since he voluntarily resigned.
he could just come back as monet0412 after the min 30days?
and now that he's been caught creating other accts, he's been permabanned and cant come back.
ironic
I read some of his posts recently. I don't think he had very much value to the forum. Did he actually ever give any good information and was he able to back it up like the Wiz and other sharp players? From what I read he basically was just bragging all the time or he seemed to be very confrontational. Some people that I have known in my life are just like that. They like to stir the pot and see what happens. It seems they enjoy the drama? OTOH I suppose he could of had some prop bet that cost or made him money for his radical behavior. I have heard stories of high rollers betting on just about anything. I guess the prop bets between APs is something you don't get to see much of but you do hear about it. I am not even certain we can consider him a high roller from his posts?
Quote: IcheckraiseUI read some of his posts recently. I don't think he had very much value to the forum. Did he actually ever give any good information and was he able to back it up like the Wiz and other sharp players? From what I read he basically was just bragging all the time or he seemed to be very confrontational. Some people that I have known in my life are just like that. They like to stir the pot and see what happens. It seems they enjoy the drama? OTOH I suppose he could of had some prop bet that cost or made him money for his radical behavior. I have heard stories of high rollers betting on just about anything. I guess the prop bets between APs is something you don't get to see much of but you do hear about it. I am not even certain we can consider him a high roller from his posts?
This is too funny. Why waste the time?
Quote: IcheckraiseUI read some of his posts recently. I don't think he had very much value to the forum. Did he actually ever give any good information and was he able to back it up like the Wiz and other sharp players? From what I read he basically was just bragging all the time or he seemed to be very confrontational. Some people that I have known in my life are just like that. They like to stir the pot and see what happens. It seems they enjoy the drama? OTOH I suppose he could of had some prop bet that cost or made him money for his radical behavior. I have heard stories of high rollers betting on just about anything. I guess the prop bets between APs is something you don't get to see much of but you do hear about it. I am not even certain we can consider him a high roller from his posts?
Let’s ignore that everything you said is wrong for a minute.
You have fourteen lifetime posts, so what makes you the arbiter of who does or does not add value to the forum?
Quote: Mission146You have fourteen lifetime posts, so ....
But, but, but ... I mean, that's only under this ID!
link to that thread?Quote: NathanI don't visit this website as often as I used to, so I was shocked to see that Wizard Of Nothing has been banned. He was a TOP poster(had thousands of posts)and has been here for years. I diligently searched for this thread to see why WON is banned.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13He permanently resigned and then came back with duplicate IDs a couple days later.ZCore13
But that's tradition here, you can't
hold it against him..
Quote: Zcore13He permanently resigned and then came back with duplicate IDs a couple days later.
ZCore13
I missed that one somehow. I didn't know he came back. Now that makes no sense unless he figured no one would know just like he thought no one knew about the WoN name.
link to thread that made him resign?Quote: Zcore13He permanently resigned and then came back with duplicate IDs a couple days later.
ZCore13
Quote: 100xOddslink to thread that made him resign?
There is no thread, there is an entire identity
Quote: NathanI wonder what Boz did to get banned. He also was a long time poster and top poster....:/
It is literally right at the top of the suspension list.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/5288-suspension-list/#post71165
Quote: onenickelmiracleThat's only a suspension.
Like if you are a mafia guy. Do your time in county and move on.
Quote: Zcore13He permanently resigned and then came back with duplicate IDs a couple days later.
ZCore13
How ironic that WON got banned for being fake considering that he called out someone from this website for being fake when he saw them in real life.
Quote: RSIIRC, wasn't there some new rule or some such where sockpuppet accounts get their posts deleted? Idk if that was meant for all situations or only specific situations, but wouldn't that apply to horse's posts?
Either some biased enforcement or simple case of oversight. However, I do remember Wizard making that a law of the land. One of the moderators even applauded. Not sure what is going on.
Quote: RSIIRC, wasn't there some new rule or some such where sockpuppet accounts get their posts deleted? Idk if that was meant for all situations or only specific situations, but wouldn't that apply to horse's posts?
It can really only be done if it's caught right at the sock post or within a reply or two. To delete a few pages of conversation is a little more problematic, not because of the process, but because of the associated conversations that get attached to all the posts.
ZCore13
Quote: MaxPenIt is not complicated at all. A rule is a rule. You either enforce it or undo it. The edict was issued. All sock puppet posts are to be deleted. Pretty simple.
That's not correct.
ZCore13
Quote: MaxPenEither some biased enforcement or simple case of oversight. However, I do remember Wizard making that a law of the land. One of the moderators even applauded. Not sure what is going on.
I think it was just a case of oversight. I wasn't being critical of any mods, btw. I don't see how it could be "biased enforcement" since horse was Rob Stringer and nobody likes that troll, so, yeah.
IMO, just delete the posts, unless it breaks the forum (it shouldn't). If there are other posts that have him quoted, whatever, leave those posts be, unless you want to edit them appropriately (I'd say F it, just let the quotes stay, but delete horse posts).
Quote: MaxPenIt is not complicated at all. A rule is a rule. You either enforce it or undo it. The edict was issued. All sock puppet posts are to be deleted. Pretty simple.
No, not that simple. There were dozens of replies from other members. The threads would be nonsensical if his part were redacted. It will ultimately be up to Mike, as he made the new rule, but I think they are best left alone at this point.
Yet another grey area, calling for judgment on what is best for the forum. If we can identify a dupe id or sockpuppet within a day or two, not much harm done. If it takes longer, and there is no way to retain coherence, it may stay. That's why the opening Rules paragraph discusses guidelines, and gives us some latitude to address each situation individually.
Rule 2: There are no exceptions to rule 1.
Quote: beachbumbabsNo, not that simple. There were dozens of replies from other members. The threads would be nonsensical if his part were redacted. It will ultimately be up to Mike, as he made the new rule, but I think they are best left alone at this point.
Yet another grey area, calling for judgment on what is best for the forum. If we can identify a dupe id or sockpuppet within a day or two, not much harm done. If it takes longer, and there is no way to retain coherence, it may stay. That's why the opening Rules paragraph discusses guidelines, and gives us some latitude to address each situation individually.
Then you open yourself to accusations of biased enforcement of rules. The forum will accept it as it is a rule.
Quote: MaxPenThen you open yourself to accusations of biased enforcement of rules. The forum will accept it as it is a rule.
You speak for the forum without the forum asking you to. Here is the page where to topic was mentioned. Please show us where it says every post of a sock puppet account will be removed...
Post removal discussion
ZCore13
I'm not being critical, even though it may seem like I am, seriously. After all, it's ultimately up to Mike.
the most interesting members
have got themselves banned?
It's a shame it's permanent,
some of them add a lot to
discussions.
I notice it on other forums.
The ones with strict moderation
are never as interesting and
lively as the the ones with lax
moderation. This place is very
vanilla and milk toasty compared
to how it used to be.
Maybe Wiz, or Zuka should start a site for banned members and the captcha could be banishment from his other sites? PG 35+Quote: EvenBobAnybody notice that a lot of
the most interesting members
have got themselves banned?
It's a shame it's permanent,
some of them add a lot to
discussions.
I notice it on other forums.
The ones with strict moderation
are never as interesting and
lively as the the ones with lax
moderation. This place is very
vanilla and milk toasty compared
to how it used to be.
Quote: EvenBobAnybody notice that a lot of
the most interesting members
have got themselves banned?
In that case, would you please post something interesting?
Quote: DRichIn that case, would you please post something interesting?
Not possible, I pride myself on 20K
empty posts about nothing. Can't
break with tradition.
Quote:We have determined that the statement above, as written, is excessively divisive.
Thus, AMS288 is banned for Three Days as he has no other recent offenses on record.
What a shame. I'm just assuming it's a shame. Or something.
I do know the word 'shame' is involved in there somewhere.
I can't read his posts because of filtering settings provided to
us on the forum. But if I could read them I'm sure I would feel
something about this. Probably. Maybe..
Never mind.
Quote: EvenBobWhat a shame. I'm just assuming it's a shame. Or something.
I do know the word 'shame' is involved in there somewhere.
I can't read his posts because of filtering settings provided to
us on the forum. But if I could read them I'm sure I would feel
something about this. Probably. Maybe..
Never mind.
AMS288 said this in the Roy Moore thread:
'And your proof involves a mall manager who worked there years after the incident in question who "can't recall" him being banned.
I believe the women.
Feel free to keep trying to cover for the child molester though, it's a good look for you.'
this is what ams288 was given a 3 day suspension for?!
this is trolling/bullying to the extent that he needed to be banned?
to me, this barely rates as a warning.
note:
I didn't read the thread. just that post.
if it was multiple/constant attacks, then sure
Quote: NathanI have a radical suggestion. Why not let WON come back under his original name since he comes back constantly with new screen names anyways and he resigned and wasn't banned by Mods/Wizard the first time. He resigned the first time and then came back under new screennames, meaning he regretted resigning. He's been constantly coming back ever since just to post again. WON and I are not friends, but he was a very valuable poster before resigning. He obviously regrets resigning and if he's THIS dedicated to the forum to keep coming back under new screennames every day, I feel he deserves a second chance. An Amnesty chance if you will.
There's more to the story than this. It's up to management to divulge that info or not.
Quote: NathanI have a radical suggestion. Why not let WON come back under his original name since he comes back constantly with new screen names anyways and he resigned and wasn't banned by Mods/Wizard the first time. He resigned the first time and then came back under new screennames, meaning he regretted resigning. He's been constantly coming back ever since just to post again. WON and I are not friends, but he was a very valuable poster before resigning. He obviously regrets resigning and if he's THIS dedicated to the forum to keep coming back under new screennames every day, I feel he deserves a second chance. An Amnesty chance if you will.
WoN was a sockpuppet account for a previously banned member. He won't be invited to return.
Quote: beachbumbabsWoN was a sockpuppet account for a previously banned member. He won't be invited to return.
This whole saga keeps getting more twisted. I at first thought he created the sock puppets after resigning.
wow.. he wasn't caught for 2 years?Quote: beachbumbabsWoN was a sockpuppet account for a previously banned member. He won't be invited to return.
then I wonder why WoN's new accts are being caught so easily now?
Quote: NathanThis whole saga keeps getting more twisted. I thought he created the sock puppets after resigning.
I'm done discussing it.
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm done discussing it.
I edited my post to say "At first," ;)
Quote: 100xOddswow.. he wasn't caught for 2 years?
then I wonder why WoN's new accts are being caught so easily now?
Ironically he called me out for being fake when he saw me in real life and then it comes out that he had been a banned member posting under a new account for 2 years! Irony at its best. Or is it irony at its worst?
Quote: NathanIronically he called me out for being fake when he saw me in real life and then it comes out that he had been a banned member posting under a new account for 2 years! Irony at its best. Or is it irony at its worst?
Except that a good portion of the forum knew that he was the previous member. Heck I joined after the original name was banned and I knew who WoN was on his previous account. Heck members here would leave not so subtle clues in their posts as to who he previously was.
I personally never cared that WoN was a dupe account as I enjoyed his posts. I wish he was still posting here as his content was good for the forum.
