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October 21st, 2019 at 4:30:43 PM permalink
I would hate to see what you would have me do for penance for all of my gambling sins.
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October 21st, 2019 at 6:03:47 PM permalink
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As FrWizard, I will be hearing confessions and offering advice on moral dilemmas. If you can't make it live, you may leave your questions/confessions here or PM me. I am happy to make them anonymous.

Go in peace.

I'm not sure just how "religious" you want it to be but here's one that's come up

Can an Agnostic go around saying he's not an Atheist, or should he just shut the heck up and admit that's what he is?
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October 21st, 2019 at 6:21:39 PM permalink
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I would hate to see what you would have me do for penance for all of my gambling sins.



I think you need to confess. I'll go easy on you as you are about the nicest guy I've ever met.
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October 21st, 2019 at 6:22:49 PM permalink
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Can an Agnostic go around saying he's not an Atheist, or should he just shut the heck up and admit that's what he is?



I will address that on the show.

Any others?
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October 21st, 2019 at 6:57:51 PM permalink
What are the odds that life on Earth was randomly formed?

Do you believe the marked lack of transitional evolutionary forms works against, or supports the theory of evolution?
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October 21st, 2019 at 7:05:07 PM permalink
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What are the odds that life on Earth was randomly formed?

Do you believe the marked lack of transitional evolutionary forms works against, or supports the theory of evolution?



I'll pass on those two. Surely, you have something to confess, my son.
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October 21st, 2019 at 7:26:17 PM permalink
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I'll pass on those two. Surely, you have something to confess, my son.



Hehe... Okay, I’ll get into the spirit....

What’s the penance for leaving an empty bowl on your porch halloween night with a “Please Take One Only” sign?
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October 21st, 2019 at 11:17:40 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

As FrWizard, I will be hearing confessions and offering advice on moral dilemmas. If you can't make it live, you may leave your questions/confessions here or PM me. I am happy to make them anonymous.

Go in peace.


What of you padre? Several streams ago you confessed a desire of expiation for the sin of using the Hard Rock casino as free airport parking. Tell us, did you ever purchase that t-shirt in penance? You left the congregation hanging.
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October 22nd, 2019 at 6:35:47 AM permalink
The last two are good questions. Please keep 'em coming.
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October 22nd, 2019 at 10:49:17 AM permalink
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Hehe... Okay, I’ll get into the spirit....

What’s the penance for leaving an empty bowl on your porch halloween night with a “Please Take One Only” sign?

Would it be more or less harsh than the penance for the kid who dumps the full bowl into his sack at a “Please Take One Only” house?

ETA: I confess that I went out trick-or-treating until I was 16. I spent Halloween night the next year studying for a Calculus test. Is that penance enough?
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October 22nd, 2019 at 3:59:33 PM permalink
Is someone who purchases souls more or less pious than others?
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October 24th, 2019 at 5:24:31 AM permalink
on scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is murder+torture , and 1 is intentionally stepping on a bug outside not bothering anybody, where would you put the sin of welching?
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October 24th, 2019 at 5:56:48 AM permalink
Final reminder of the Live Stream today at 3:00 (Vegas time). Get those confessions and questions in by 2:00.
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October 24th, 2019 at 7:27:23 AM permalink
In the spirit of your recent G2E pilgrimage, your First Commandment of game design states that a game should be explainable in 30 seconds or less. In view of this, which of the following core casino games, were they released today, would you deem worthy of heavenly ascension and which would you condemn to the fiery pits of hell?

Blackjack? Craps? Roulette? Poker? Baccarat? Pai gow (tiles)? Keno?
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October 24th, 2019 at 10:25:31 AM permalink
How old were you when you understood the difference between right and wrong? At what general age do you think people can justifiably be held accountable for their actions being right or wrong?
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October 24th, 2019 at 11:19:39 AM permalink
What types of gambling opportunities have you forgone for ethical or legal considerations?
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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October 24th, 2019 at 12:39:06 PM permalink
You are approached by an individual who has unknowingly uncovered what you recognize as an exploitable flaw in the programming of a slot machine. Which is the right course of action?
- Explain to the individual how to take advantage of the flaw, but do nothing yourself.
- Partner with the individual to take advantage of the flaw.
- Don't say anything to the individual and exploit it alone.
- Don't say anything to the individual, but share the exploit with your team.
- Share the information with the manufacturer so they can close the hole.
- Combo of the above.
- Other
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October 24th, 2019 at 12:57:50 PM permalink
You are perusing a bank of slot machines in the airport when a gentleman, who bears a passing resemblance to Brad Pitt, gets up from his chair in front of a progressive and says to you, "I've got to go, but you should try this one, I've got a good feeling about it". He then hurries off. You sit down to rest your legs, and notice that he left 5 coins in the machine. Do you:
- Play them.
- Cash them.
- Leave them.
- Other?

What would you do if you played them and hit the progressive for $14 million, and while waiting for the slot attendant, notice that the guy who got up just exited the Men's room?
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October 24th, 2019 at 3:39:24 PM permalink
If God existed and you could ask him/her one question that would be answered truthfully, what would it be?
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October 24th, 2019 at 5:38:28 PM permalink
Thanks for the good questions since my last post. However, I didn't have a chance to visit before the forum, so didn't have them with me. I hope you won't mind if we ask me (the Wizard) on the next show as opposed to Mr. Michael.
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October 24th, 2019 at 8:43:04 PM permalink
Here is today's Stream:



Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3fHzmJzSBY
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October 24th, 2019 at 9:35:04 PM permalink
It looks like it's your lucky weekend Father Michael. While saving the souls of the wicked heathens attending the Fetish and Fantasy Halloween ball, since it takes place at the Hard Rock, you can simultaneously cleanse yourself of your parking sin. If a t-shirt purchase proves impractical you might consider taking a page from Brother Miplet's book. Stop in the casino and place a wager on the hard 8 and, if it wins, parlay it. You'll probably be given free sacramental wine while performing this burnt monetary offering. How's that for an AP penance play?
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October 25th, 2019 at 2:46:42 AM permalink
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It looks like it's your lucky weekend Father Michael...



I thought of that, but I don't think I'm going to have a place to put the t-shirt. You might suggest just wearing it, but that priest outfit gets really hot. However, you never know what the situation will be. I don't know much about what to expect that evening.

I think I've mentioned to people, "If you ever see me betting the hard ways in craps, other than in a tournament, then go ahead and put a bullet in my head." Besides, I want to carry out my penance as planned.
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October 25th, 2019 at 3:43:12 AM permalink
questions:


*I'm often a stubborn hold-out against new technology, and don't have a smartphone. You *seem* to not have one, or you could fix the problem of not knowing last minute questions here in the thread easily, for example. Are you a hold-out when it comes to smartphones? 


*do you know who your heckler* was?

*called himself 'Shackleford is a phony'
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October 25th, 2019 at 6:53:43 AM permalink
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I don't know much about what to expect that evening.


Here is a photo from an earlier FFH Ball...


It looks like you have your work cut out for you priest. Unlike a craps table, it might be safer to play the dark side under these circumstances.
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October 25th, 2019 at 12:13:31 PM permalink
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Here is a photo from an earlier FFH Ball...



That reminds me to get my holy water, I forgot to bring it to Heather's place.
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October 27th, 2019 at 12:10:55 PM permalink
Dish Father Michael. Did you save any souls?
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October 27th, 2019 at 1:29:08 PM permalink
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Dish Father Michael. Did you save any souls?



I'm afraid not.
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November 14th, 2019 at 5:52:56 AM permalink
Today is another Live Stream! Please post your questions or comments here if you can't make the show.
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November 14th, 2019 at 7:16:22 AM permalink
What are your thoughts on the FFH Ball? Is it like Burning Man where everyone should attend it at last once in their lives or were you underwhelmed?
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
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November 14th, 2019 at 7:32:08 AM permalink
I think you said you used to play a lot of Spanish 21 in AC way back when.

I've wondered if this was +EV at the time?
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November 14th, 2019 at 8:05:14 AM permalink
Thanks, keep those questions coming.

Also, it is Heather's birthday this Saturday, but feel free to leave her your best wishes here if you can't make the show.
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November 14th, 2019 at 12:55:47 PM permalink
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Thanks, keep those questions coming.

Also, it is Heather's birthday this Saturday, but feel free to leave her your best wishes here if you can't make the show.



We've wished the WoV site a happy 10th birthday, and it's time for the founder to give a SPEECH! SPEECH! SPEECH!!!
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November 14th, 2019 at 8:36:05 PM permalink
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SPEECH! SPEECH! SPEECH!!!



Thanks for reminiscing about the website. I'm glad it has had a positive effect for so many people!
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November 15th, 2019 at 5:07:03 AM permalink
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Thanks for reminiscing about the website. I'm glad it has had a positive effect for so many people!



You're welcome!
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November 16th, 2019 at 2:05:03 PM permalink
The 11/14/19 stream for those who missed it...

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December 11th, 2019 at 8:33:20 AM permalink
Is there a stream tomorrow? I haven't seen the Wizard posting lately. After the holidays perhaps?
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December 19th, 2019 at 6:40:30 AM permalink
Sorry for the long time since the last Stream. Today will be a new one -- usual time at 3:00. This time I'll have in hand a bunch of questions submitted by members of sister site LCB.org. So, I'm not begging for questions from WoV members, for a change.
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December 19th, 2019 at 9:25:06 AM permalink
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Sorry for the long time since the last Stream. Today will be a new one -- usual time at 3:00. This time I'll have in hand a bunch of questions submitted by members of sister site LCB.org. So, I'm not begging for questions from WoV members, for a change.



We have a sister?

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December 20th, 2019 at 11:44:52 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Sorry for the long time since the last Stream. Today will be a new one -- usual time at 3:00. This time I'll have in hand a bunch of questions submitted by members of sister site LCB.org. So, I'm not begging for questions from WoV members, for a change.



The stream is here if anyone missed it:

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December 25th, 2019 at 4:36:56 PM permalink
Tomorrow is going to be part 2 of the LCB questions. I'll also be challenging Heather and the audience with some Christmas trivia questions. Usual time. Hope to see you there.
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December 25th, 2019 at 5:17:40 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Tomorrow is going to be part 2 of the LCB questions. I'll also be challenging Heather and the audience with some Christmas trivia questions. Usual time. Hope to see you there.



Instead of taking questions from clowns willing to gamble on sites most everyone knows you have
next to zero chance to win on, why not answer questions that help people actually win?

Huge opportunities with American based sports betting sites in certain states. Why not cover the best ways to exploit these sites that are F’ing new degenerates daily. Buying 30 minute spots, paying for sponsorship of pregame shows, buying banner ads at sporting events, etc.

$500 “Free plays”, $250 in matching bets, and more. What is the best way to attack them? You have shown no concern exposing plays in the past, so I don’t see this as any different.

I get the need to entertain the vast diversity of viewers you have with the drooling over Heather, but you are still a dedicated individual looking to help gamblers lose less. This is a huge opportunity.

Just a suggestion.
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December 25th, 2019 at 8:06:21 PM permalink
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Instead of taking questions from clowns willing to gamble on sites most everyone knows you have
next to zero chance to win on, why not answer questions that help people actually win?



I'll take questions from WoV members the next time. Why don't you submit some.
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December 26th, 2019 at 8:54:54 AM permalink
If you're taking questions for streams down the road...

I've noticed that Heather has large novelty dice on her table for (presumably) visual aids. Let's use them...

Could you please explain the subtle difference between a Horn bet and a Craps/Eleven bet? When I was playing craps 30 years ago, a C&E was nicknamed the 'Horn'. I don't recall an actual 'Horn bet' or am I misremembering things?

Also (and this might be too tedious for a live stream), could you please explain your take on the 'Snake Eyes Riddle' in which a dealer rolls two dice in a shaker, peaks at them and declares that at least one of them is a '1'. What are the odds that the roll is 'snake eyes'? Perhaps you could ask Heather or the chat group the riddle and explain it later in the show. What I'm interested in is how you correctly word it.
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December 27th, 2019 at 5:28:06 AM permalink
Here is yesterday's Stream for anyone who missed it.




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If you're taking questions for streams down the road...



I am.

Quote:

Also (and this might be too tedious for a live stream), could you please explain your take on the 'Snake Eyes Riddle' in which a dealer rolls two dice in a shaker, peaks at them and declares that at least one of them is a '1'. What are the odds that the roll is 'snake eyes'? Perhaps you could ask Heather or the chat group the riddle and explain it later in the show. What I'm interested in is how you correctly word it.



Ahhhh!!!! Were you not here when this was argued about for hundreds and hundreds of posts? That one would be easier to explain with a white board. I also endeavored to explain and prove the answer is 1/11 in this video.

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January 4th, 2020 at 6:21:22 PM permalink
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I'll take questions from WoV members the next time. Why don't you submit some.



Just saw this, my question and opportunity I presented still is out there.

How exactly do you want me to present it?

Legal books offering opportunities that you WILL get paid on when you win. And they are +EV, just looking for the best ways to maximize the play.

Sure beats the hell out of the possibility “legal” sites on here with unbeatable rules.

Sorry I call it like I see it.

And I know you agree.
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January 4th, 2020 at 6:59:44 PM permalink
You need to keep your question short and simple. I can't just speak to the broad topic of beating sports betting.

The next Live Stream, which will probably be Jan 9, I'll be accepting new WoV questions. You may start posting them now.
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January 4th, 2020 at 7:15:37 PM permalink
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You need to keep your question short and simple. I can't just speak to the broad topic of beating sports betting.

The next Live Stream, which will probably be Jan 9, I'll be accepting new WoV questions. You may start posting them now.



Not a broad topic. Surely you see the opportunity out there with casino bonus offers in states with legal sports betting. They are offering +EV plays but most don’t know how to exploit them.

Many count of you for the vision to maximize them.

Promoting your Livestream as a way to divert is above you in my worthless opinion.
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January 5th, 2020 at 5:26:55 AM permalink
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Not a broad topic. Surely you see the opportunity out there with casino bonus offers in states with legal sports betting. They are offering +EV plays but most don’t know how to exploit them.



I think almost every bonus is exploitable and I've written how numerous times.

However, can you give me a specific sports bonus to use as an example, please, and I'll address it.
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January 14th, 2020 at 6:47:34 PM permalink
Get those questions ready! The next live stream is this Thursday. Unlike the last two, I'll be accepting questions from YOU. Just leave them here. I hope you can all join live as well.
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