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June 2nd, 2024 at 12:00:50 PM permalink
Has anyone seen or played the new video poker game Xtra Card Poker by Aristocrat? It was recently released at the Atlantis in Reno and the Rampart in Las Vegas. I haven't had a chance to play it yet, but I was wondering what everyone thought about it.


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June 2nd, 2024 at 1:43:26 PM permalink
What is the gist of the game
Deal 6 cards instead of 5?
After holding, get an extra card?
How are they factoring in an extra card?
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June 2nd, 2024 at 2:18:50 PM permalink
I did a quick google search on this Xtra Card Poker game and found nothing except this thread. Do you have a link to rules? Or can you please describe the game?

I got on the Aristocrat site and searched their library of games. My search did not find this game.

I did eventually find this:
2WW 2WW 2WW 2WW XTRA-CARD POKER XTRA-CARD POKER DEUCES WILD WINNER'S WORLD MULTI-GAME

It apparently is a very new game on a tab on a Wild Winner's World Multi-Game machine. Was still going through paperwork for Trademark approval of its name/poster image during the first few months of 2024.
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June 2nd, 2024 at 5:46:13 PM permalink
Game was presented in London in Feb 2024 at ICE - International Casino Expo in London UK (European alternative to G2E-LasVegas and G2E-Asia -Macao)
Started distribution in US (Nevada)
So far I cannot find more information
https://www.aristocratgaming.com/emea/slots/games/winners-world
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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June 2nd, 2024 at 6:16:40 PM permalink
For new game play and rules please Check out Bar cabinets in Las Vegas https://www.aristocratgaming.com/us/casino-operator/cabinets/winners-world-bartop
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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June 3rd, 2024 at 5:27:05 AM permalink
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What is the gist of the game
Deal 6 cards instead of 5?
After holding, get an extra card?
How are they factoring in an extra card?
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I was able to get some more information about the game. This will give you an idea of how the game is played and hopefully I can get a few screenshots or video of the gameplay.

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For new game play and rules please Check out Bar cabinets in Las Vegas https://www.aristocratgaming.com/us/casino-operator/cabinets/winners-world-bartop
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I think the game is part of the upgraded software package for Winner's World, but that will not be available until close to G2E. Right now the game is showing up in cabinets in a few spots.
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June 3rd, 2024 at 8:07:03 AM permalink
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What is the gist of the game
Deal 6 cards instead of 5?
After holding, get an extra card?
How are they factoring in an extra card?
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I was able to get some more information about the game. This will give you an idea of how the game is played and hopefully I can get a few screenshots or video of the gameplay.


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(1.75 free hands per feature)
(Avg multiplier of 4.8 with frequency of 0.4 per feature played) - applies to all wins

Analysis Needs
1. What does the player give up to have this X-tra Card Feature?

2. How does basic strategy change for these video poker games in order to draw more cards per hand?

Ex: Is it better to draw to a J,Q or K than a suited (J,T), (Q,T) and (K,T) to gain the advantage of a higher frequency of the X-tra card feature?

3. Is there a significant difference between the base VP games in average number of cards held? For example, are there fewer cards held, on average, in Deuces Wilds than in the other games, making that the more attractive game to play with the X-Tra Card Feature?
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Realize, is this one of your games?
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June 3rd, 2024 at 4:25:08 PM permalink
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Has anyone seen or played the new video poker game Xtra Card Poker by Aristocrat? It was recently released at the Atlantis in Reno and the Rampart in Las Vegas.
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I looked all over the Rampart today for this game and couldn't find it. Suncoast too.
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June 4th, 2024 at 11:14:32 AM permalink
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Realize, is this one of your games?
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Yes. It is based off of our MultiDraw video poker game.

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June 4th, 2024 at 11:16:00 AM permalink
Wizard,

I found out yesterday that the install had some issues, so it was scheduled to be completed today sometime. I will let you know when it is official. The next install after that is scheduled to be Santa Fe Station around mid June.
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June 4th, 2024 at 1:17:08 PM permalink
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Realize, is this one of your games?
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Yes. It is based off of our MultiDraw video poker game.

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its just fascinating how one game can be translated into something completely different looking nice job keep it up
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June 5th, 2024 at 3:49:43 AM permalink
It was officially installed at the Rampart as of yesterday afternoon.
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June 5th, 2024 at 3:52:35 AM permalink
Thanks heatmap.

When you play the game vs my demo, you can notice the similar concepts used in each even though it has a different feel to it. Huge congrats to Aristocrat for taking the concept and running with it!
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June 5th, 2024 at 4:49:24 AM permalink
Perhaps you could describe the game and rules to us. In particular, compared to the standard VP games, what does the player pay or give up for the X-tra Card feature?
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June 5th, 2024 at 8:45:03 AM permalink
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It was officially installed at the Rampart as of yesterday afternoon.
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Looks like I was a day early. Can you tell me where in the Rampart these machines are?
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I think these are bar-top consoles, right?
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June 5th, 2024 at 10:30:13 AM permalink
The game comes in either single line or three play formats as of right now. The game begins with the player making a 5+5 wager for each hand. (10 credits for single hand games, 30 credits for three play games.

The player is dealt five cards and decides which ones to hold or discard. On the draw of the game, the special Xtra Card may be drawn into one of the open card positions. If it appears, it can offer the player two extra hands plus the original hand containing the exact same cards. It may also award a multiplier that is used for all of the hands. Each hand is then completed by drawing a card from the remaining decks for each extra hand.

Overall, the game reminds me a bit of STP with additional hands. It is fun and exciting to have the Xtra Card and multiplier appear when you already have the beginnings of a great hand!

Here are some random pictures of the single and three hand game.







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June 5th, 2024 at 10:32:43 AM permalink
From my understanding, they will be on a cabinet by Aristocrat with other games on them. Eventually, it will be on the Winner's Word bar tops, but right now it is on a machine on the floor. I'm going to be out there next week, so I will get over there to check it out.
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June 5th, 2024 at 10:33:44 AM permalink
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I think these are bar-top consoles, right?
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Not yet. They are on cabinets on the game floor for this release.
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June 5th, 2024 at 3:06:10 PM permalink
the help screen on the casino version... the word average is used alot... is there a mechanism which keeps track of "session" statistics and then produces the random number based on those statistics?

Maybe having a dynamic probability table which uses the averages in order to get to the probability percentages used in the actual random number generation?
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the help screen on the casino version... the word average is used alot... is there a mechanism which keeps track of "session" statistics and then produces the random number based on those statistics?

Maybe having a dynamic probability table which uses the averages in order to get to the probability percentages used in the actual random number generation?
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Both good questions which I can't answer. The screenshot I provided was very early in the process, so the information may have changed in the released version of the game.
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June 6th, 2024 at 9:27:24 AM permalink
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the help screen on the casino version... the word average is used alot... is there a mechanism which keeps track of "session" statistics and then produces the random number based on those statistics?

Maybe having a dynamic probability table which uses the averages in order to get to the probability percentages used in the actual random number generation?
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Both good questions which I can't answer. The screenshot I provided was very early in the process, so the information may have changed in the released version of the game.
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i tried and thats all i can do haha. thanks for responding.
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the help screen on the casino version... the word average is used alot... is there a mechanism which keeps track of "session" statistics and then produces the random number based on those statistics?

Maybe having a dynamic probability table which uses the averages in order to get to the probability percentages used in the actual random number generation?
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When I see a help screen like that, I assume that there is an algorithm built into the game logic that can be proved to produce the stated averages over the long term. I never assume that there is a feedback mechanism that changes the algorithm based on past history. As I understand it, that would be illegal under Nevada regulation.

As an example, consider Hot Roll video poker. https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/hot-roll/#:~:text=Hot%20Roll%20is%20an%20optional,player%20for%20the%20bonus%20feature. The multiplier is awarded on average for 1 in 6 games. This does not mean the multiplier is awarded every sixth roll. It also doesn't mean that if the game went through a streak of no bonuses, subsequent games have an average of more than 1 in 6 to compensate. It should mean that the multiplier has a 1 in 6 chance of being awarded on the next game no matter what the recent multiplier history was.
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the help screen on the casino version... the word average is used alot... is there a mechanism which keeps track of "session" statistics and then produces the random number based on those statistics?

Maybe having a dynamic probability table which uses the averages in order to get to the probability percentages used in the actual random number generation?
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When I see a help screen like that, I assume that there is an algorithm built into the game logic that can be proved to produce the stated averages over the long term. I never assume that there is a feedback mechanism that changes the algorithm based on past history. As I understand it, that would be illegal under Nevada regulation.

As an example, consider Hot Roll video poker. https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/hot-roll/#:~:text=Hot%20Roll%20is%20an%20optional,player%20for%20the%20bonus%20feature. The multiplier is awarded on average for 1 in 6 games. This does not mean the multiplier is awarded every sixth roll. It also doesn't mean that if the game went through a streak of no bonuses, subsequent games have an average of more than 1 in 6 to compensate. It should mean that the multiplier has a 1 in 6 chance of being awarded on the next game no matter what the recent multiplier history was.
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yes but what would that look like algorithm wise in your opinion
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For example, look at the extra card feature multipliers. The rules above say the average multiplier value is 4.80. The multipliers can only have the values 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, 6x, 8x, and 10x. An algorithm that would achieve this average is as follows. Put 100 tokens in a bag. 20 tokens have 2x printed on them, 18 say 3x, 16 say 4x, 14 say 5x, 12 say 6x, 10 say 8x, and the final 10 say 10x. Just pick one token at random and the average value will be 4.8x. Another way of saying this is that the weighted average or expected value is 4.80x.

In a computer algorithm, you could just create 100 virtual tokens in an array and use the pRNG to pick one token at random with no bias.

In statistics, the expected value is just that, an expectation based on the math of the situation. An average is the result of a finite number of observations. The calculated average will almost never be precisely equal to 4.80x. The expectation value is a fixed number whereas the observed average value fluctuates.
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June 6th, 2024 at 5:43:15 PM permalink
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I'm going to be out there next week, so I will get over there to check it out.
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I am pretty available next week. I can meet you there, if you want. It will be hard to find one particular machine in that place.
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June 7th, 2024 at 3:59:02 AM permalink
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For example, look at the extra card feature multipliers. The rules above say the average multiplier value is 4.80. The multipliers can only have the values 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, 6x, 8x, and 10x. An algorithm that would achieve this average is as follows. Put 100 tokens in a bag. 20 tokens have 2x printed on them, 18 say 3x, 16 say 4x, 14 say 5x, 12 say 6x, 10 say 8x, and the final 10 say 10x. Just pick one token at random and the average value will be 4.8x. Another way of saying this is that the weighted average or expected value is 4.80x.

In a computer algorithm, you could just create 100 virtual tokens in an array and use the pRNG to pick one token at random with no bias.

In statistics, the expected value is just that, an expectation based on the math of the situation. An average is the result of a finite number of observations. The calculated average will almost never be precisely equal to 4.80x. The expectation value is a fixed number whereas the observed average value fluctuates.
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Very nicely explained!
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June 7th, 2024 at 4:00:16 AM permalink
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I'm going to be out there next week, so I will get over there to check it out.
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I am pretty available next week. I can meet you there, if you want. It will be hard to find one particular machine in that place.
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Sounds great Wizard. Give me a couple days to solidify a day and I'll get in touch with you. Right now I'm leaning toward Thursday morning.
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June 8th, 2024 at 2:01:31 PM permalink
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Sounds great Wizard. Give me a couple days to solidify a day and I'll get in touch with you. Right now I'm leaning toward Thursday morning.
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I'm afraid Thursday morning isn't good. Probably the whole day will be bad. Any other day should be fine. I would PM me to arrange something.
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June 10th, 2024 at 4:02:16 AM permalink
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Sounds great Wizard. Give me a couple days to solidify a day and I'll get in touch with you. Right now I'm leaning toward Thursday morning.
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I'm afraid Thursday morning isn't good. Probably the whole day will be bad. Any other day should be fine. I would PM me to arrange something.
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Just sent you a PM.
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I found this on Linkedin a couple weeks ago which shows the Aristocrat machines. Our game is not shown on this particular machine in the picture, but they are popping up at a number of casinos and Xtra Card Poker may be on them as they get a software update.

I'll be at the Rampart on Thursday around 10:00 to check it out and I'll post some pictures.
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June 13th, 2024 at 8:52:15 PM permalink
I spent about four hours at the Rampart today playing Xtra Card Poker. I was very impressed with the game and the easiest way to summarize it is that it feels like super times pay but the extra hand and multipliers happen much more frequently. The game just has a nice feel to it and when playing three hands, which can turn into 9 total hands depending on the bonus, the action keeps the game interesting. I'll attach some pictures, but will try to give more information once I get home.


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June 14th, 2024 at 3:00:45 PM permalink
I apologize for the side photos. Not sure how to fix that.
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As an example, consider Hot Roll video poker. https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/hot-roll/#:~:text=Hot%20Roll%20is%20an%20optional,player%20for%20the%20bonus%20feature. The multiplier is awarded on average for 1 in 6 games. This does not mean the multiplier is awarded every sixth roll.
It also doesn't mean that if the game went through a streak of no bonuses, subsequent games have an average of more than 1 in 6 to compensate.
It should mean that the multiplier has a 1 in 6 chance of being awarded on the next game no matter what the recent multiplier history was.
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Same thing for super times pay?

In stp, the multiplier comes 1 in 14. I've had streaks of no multipliers in 50+ hands but by 500 hands, the avg is 1 in 14.
i always thought the game sees the avg as being skewed and 'fixes' it by higher chances of a multiplier.

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June 14th, 2024 at 7:30:29 PM permalink
I played the game at about 5:30 PM today at the Rampart. I look a lot of pictures and some video. Right now I am in a rush, so will explain just 7-5 Bonus Poker, which the Rampart has at the $2 denom.

  1. If the player bets 1 to 5 coins, the game plays like conventional one-line video poker.
  2. If the player bets 10 coins, wins will be based on a 5-coin bet, but the feature will be invoked.
  3. The probability of the feature depends on the number of cards held as follows:
    • 0 cards held = 30.80%
    • 1 cards held = 25.52%
    • 2 cards held = 19.82%
    • 3 cards held = 13.70%
    • 4 cards held = 7.10%
    • 5 cards held = 0%
  4. If the feature is triggered, the player will get 1 or 2 extra hands, with an average of 1.75. (Note: This implies the probability of one extra hand is 25% and two is 75%)
  5. If the feature is triggered, in addition to getting 1 or 2 extra hands, the player will win a multiplier with probability of 40%.
  6. If a multiplier is won, the average multiplier is 4.8


With a 40% chance of a multiplier (when the feature is active) and average multiplier of 4.8, the average overall multiplier, including 1x, is 2.52.

With an average of 2.75 total hands (including the one paid for) and average multiplier of 2.52, it seems to me the ER of a hand with the feature activated is 6.93x that without the feature.

That is all I have time for right now. I welcome all corrections to my understanding of the rules or my math.
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June 17th, 2024 at 11:08:09 AM permalink
I finally got back home from my trip to Vegas. I had a chance to get out to see the game two separate times at the Rampart. Currently, there are two machines that have the game installed on them as shown in the picture below. I played about 5 hours the first day and about 3 hours the second day and I rotated from single lines to three hands and stayed on quarters the whole time.

Overall, the game had a nice feel to it. As I mentioned previously, it has a "super times pay" feel to it, but more action where my mind doesn't get bored waiting for a bonus or multiplier. The bonus felt very good in terms of the frequency and the multiplier appeared quite often. I enjoyed the game in a single hand format, but I prefer the three hand game. The action in the three hand game feels really good. I had my share of losing all three hands along with winning each hand and triggering a bonus card and multiplier on each of the three hands. Sometimes I would have 9 total hands on my screen and each would have a different multiplier. This type of uncertainty from one hand to the next keep the game exciting for me.

In the second picture I was dealt a pair of 8's so I held them for the three hands. On the draw of the game in the third card position on hand A (the main hand), another 8 was drawn into the hand giving me three 8's. In the fifth card position, I drew the Xtra Card with awarded me with two extra cloned hands of the main hand, plus a random x5 multiplier. Unfortunately, I did not hit four of a kind, but the excitement of starting the hand with a low pair and then having a chance to get a four of a kind with a x5 multiplier made the game very fun and entertaining!

If I had one complaint, it would be that both machines only had quarters as the lowest denomination available. I would have loved to have been able to play the game in dime denominations on the three hand game because my money would have lasted a bit longer, but even at quarters I had a great time playing it.

Has anyone else checked out the game? I'm curious to hear what others have to say. Hopefully after this trial is out of the way it will become more widespread in Vegas.




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June 17th, 2024 at 7:26:15 PM permalink
Waiting to see the Returns table.
How much does this variant add to the EV?
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June 21st, 2024 at 4:51:28 AM permalink
Here is another example of the Xtra Card feature. I was playing three hands and held two jacks to start the hand. Nothing in terms of an upgrade on the draw for hands A and B. On the last hand, I was able to get the Xtra Card in card position three which awarded me two additional hands and a x5 multiplier. I really like having the opportunity of obtaining a four of a kind on all four hands with the multiplier, and even though it didn't work out that way, I was able to capitalize on the three of a kinds and even turned the last hand into a full house.

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June 27th, 2024 at 7:22:36 AM permalink
Here is a few minutes of game play video from Xtra Card Poker. This is the three hand game.

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June 27th, 2024 at 1:30:26 PM permalink
Just a quick update, the game has been installed at Santa Fe Station as of yesterday.
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June 27th, 2024 at 9:34:17 PM permalink
I did an analysis of 8-6 Bonus Poker Deluxe. My bottom line is 98.66% RTP. Reminder that the RTP of that pay table in conventional VP is 98.49%.

Cards Held = 0


Hand Pays Combinations Probability Multiplier Return
Royal flush 800 1588620 0.000000 2.793232 0.000089
Straight flush 50 8693460 0.000000 2.793232 0.000030
Four of a kind 80 160950720 0.000008 2.793232 0.000902
Full house 8 993777120 0.000050 2.793232 0.000557
Flush 6 1403617560 0.000070 2.793232 0.000590
Straight 4 2675274000 0.000134 2.793232 0.000750
Three of a kind 3 14739155760 0.000739 2.793232 0.003098
Two pair 1 33594719760 0.001685 2.793232 0.002354
Jacks or better 1 1.13077E+11 0.005673 2.793232 0.007923
Loss 0 5.51044E+11 0.027645 2.793232 0.000000


Cards Held = 1


Hand Pays Combinations Probability Multiplier Return
Royal flush 800 36450756 0.000002 2.484279 0.001817
Straight flush 50 61994820 0.000003 2.484279 0.000193
Four of a kind 80 2008777680 0.000101 2.484279 0.010014
Full house 8 11125537920 0.000558 2.484279 0.005546
Flush 6 15029740464 0.000754 2.484279 0.005619
Straight 4 21595736232 0.001083 2.484279 0.005383
Three of a kind 3 1.58462E+11 0.007950 2.484279 0.029624
Two pair 1 3.42806E+11 0.017198 2.484279 0.021362
Jacks or better 1 1.71397E+12 0.085986 2.484279 0.106806
Loss 0 4.6252E+12 0.232035 2.484279 0.000000


Cards Held = 2


Hand Pays Combinations Probability Multiplier Return
Royal flush 800 84004800 0.000004 2.152199 0.003628
Straight flush 50 51907020 0.000003 2.152199 0.000140
Four of a kind 80 24735071460 0.001241 2.152199 0.106826
Full house 8 91717184196 0.004601 2.152199 0.039611
Flush 6 12134379840 0.000609 2.152199 0.003930
Straight 4 7221069636 0.000362 2.152199 0.001559
Three of a kind 3 1.03571E+12 0.051959 2.152199 0.167738
Two pair 1 1.47595E+12 0.074045 2.152199 0.079680
Jacks or better 1 2.62526E+12 0.131703 2.152199 0.141725
Loss 0 4.9416E+12 0.247908 2.152199 0.000000


Cards Held = 3


Royal flush 800 201185820 0.000010 1.795806 0.007250
Straight flush 50 309313620 0.000016 1.795806 0.000697
Four of a kind 80 19143558720 0.000960 1.795806 0.068987
Full house 8 27493408800 0.001379 1.795806 0.009908
Flush 6 11842378020 0.000594 1.795806 0.003201
Straight 4 7098632640 0.000356 1.795806 0.001279
Three of a kind 3 4.05791E+11 0.020358 1.795806 0.054837
Two pair 1 7662344580 0.000384 1.795806 0.000345
Jacks or better 1 64469029680 0.003234 1.795806 0.002904
Loss 0 2.17222E+11 0.010897 1.795806 0.000000


Cards Held = 4


Hand Pays Combinations Probability Multiplier Return
Royal flush 800 152741160 0.000008 1.412135 0.004328
Straight flush 50 1095297720 0.000055 1.412135 0.001940
Four of a kind 80 4785889680 0.000240 1.412135 0.013562
Full house 8 37221845760 0.001867 1.412135 0.010548
Flush 6 1.08753E+11 0.005456 1.412135 0.023113
Straight 4 40860218520 0.002050 1.412135 0.005789
Three of a kind 3 0 0.000000 1.412135 0.000000
Two pair 1 4.00135E+11 0.020074 1.412135 0.014173
Jacks or better 1 54886948380 0.002754 1.412135 0.001944
Loss 0 5.87145E+11 0.029456 1.412135 0.000000


Cards Held = 5

Hand Pays Combinations Probability Multiplier Return
Royal flush 800 30678780 0.000002 1.000000 0.000616
Straight flush 50 276109020 0.000014 1.000000 0.000346
Four of a kind 80 0 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
Full house 8 0 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
Flush 6 37980329640 0.001905 1.000000 0.005716
Straight 4 76206089520 0.003823 1.000000 0.007646
Three of a kind 3 0 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
Two pair 1 0 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
Jacks or better 1 0 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
Loss 0 0 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
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I did an analysis of 8-6 Bonus Poker Deluxe. My bottom line is 98.66% RTP. Reminder that the RTP of that pay table in conventional VP is 98.49%.

Cards Held = 0


Hand Pays Combinations Probability Multiplier Return
Royal flush 800 1588620 0.000000 2.793232 0.000089
Straight flush 50 8693460 0.000000 2.793232 0.000030
Four of a kind 80 160950720 0.000008 2.793232 0.000902
Full house 8 993777120 0.000050 2.793232 0.000557
Flush 6 1403617560 0.000070 2.793232 0.000590
Straight 4 2675274000 0.000134 2.793232 0.000750
Three of a kind 3 14739155760 0.000739 2.793232 0.003098
Two pair 1 33594719760 0.001685 2.793232 0.002354
Jacks or better 1 1.13077E+11 0.005673 2.793232 0.007923
Loss 0 5.51044E+11 0.027645 2.793232 0.000000


Cards Held = 1


Hand Pays Combinations Probability Multiplier Return
Royal flush 800 36450756 0.000002 2.484279 0.001817
Straight flush 50 61994820 0.000003 2.484279 0.000193
Four of a kind 80 2008777680 0.000101 2.484279 0.010014
Full house 8 11125537920 0.000558 2.484279 0.005546
Flush 6 15029740464 0.000754 2.484279 0.005619
Straight 4 21595736232 0.001083 2.484279 0.005383
Three of a kind 3 1.58462E+11 0.007950 2.484279 0.029624
Two pair 1 3.42806E+11 0.017198 2.484279 0.021362
Jacks or better 1 1.71397E+12 0.085986 2.484279 0.106806
Loss 0 4.6252E+12 0.232035 2.484279 0.000000


Cards Held = 2


Hand Pays Combinations Probability Multiplier Return
Royal flush 800 84004800 0.000004 2.152199 0.003628
Straight flush 50 51907020 0.000003 2.152199 0.000140
Four of a kind 80 24735071460 0.001241 2.152199 0.106826
Full house 8 91717184196 0.004601 2.152199 0.039611
Flush 6 12134379840 0.000609 2.152199 0.003930
Straight 4 7221069636 0.000362 2.152199 0.001559
Three of a kind 3 1.03571E+12 0.051959 2.152199 0.167738
Two pair 1 1.47595E+12 0.074045 2.152199 0.079680
Jacks or better 1 2.62526E+12 0.131703 2.152199 0.141725
Loss 0 4.9416E+12 0.247908 2.152199 0.000000


Cards Held = 3


Royal flush 800 201185820 0.000010 1.795806 0.007250
Straight flush 50 309313620 0.000016 1.795806 0.000697
Four of a kind 80 19143558720 0.000960 1.795806 0.068987
Full house 8 27493408800 0.001379 1.795806 0.009908
Flush 6 11842378020 0.000594 1.795806 0.003201
Straight 4 7098632640 0.000356 1.795806 0.001279
Three of a kind 3 4.05791E+11 0.020358 1.795806 0.054837
Two pair 1 7662344580 0.000384 1.795806 0.000345
Jacks or better 1 64469029680 0.003234 1.795806 0.002904
Loss 0 2.17222E+11 0.010897 1.795806 0.000000


Cards Held = 4


Hand Pays Combinations Probability Multiplier Return
Royal flush 800 152741160 0.000008 1.412135 0.004328
Straight flush 50 1095297720 0.000055 1.412135 0.001940
Four of a kind 80 4785889680 0.000240 1.412135 0.013562
Full house 8 37221845760 0.001867 1.412135 0.010548
Flush 6 1.08753E+11 0.005456 1.412135 0.023113
Straight 4 40860218520 0.002050 1.412135 0.005789
Three of a kind 3 0 0.000000 1.412135 0.000000
Two pair 1 4.00135E+11 0.020074 1.412135 0.014173
Jacks or better 1 54886948380 0.002754 1.412135 0.001944
Loss 0 5.87145E+11 0.029456 1.412135 0.000000


Cards Held = 5

Hand Pays Combinations Probability Multiplier Return
Royal flush 800 30678780 0.000002 1.000000 0.000616
Straight flush 50 276109020 0.000014 1.000000 0.000346
Four of a kind 80 0 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
Full house 8 0 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
Flush 6 37980329640 0.001905 1.000000 0.005716
Straight 4 76206089520 0.003823 1.000000 0.007646
Three of a kind 3 0 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
Two pair 1 0 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
Jacks or better 1 0 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
Loss 0 0 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000

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It seems like creating a strategy for this game would be challenging.
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It seems like creating a strategy for this game would be challenging.
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Indeed. I leave that to the player.
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It seems like creating a strategy for this game would be challenging.
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I agree Hunterhill. I find myself questioning a few hands when playing the game, but typically I tend to take advantage of holding less cards. A few hands to think about assumming I'm playing Super Aces:

Dealt a J-J-A-A-7
-I just hold the two aces. Having three open card positions with the possibility of getting two aces and a kicker, in addition to an xtra-card bonus and/or multiplier seem to make this the right play.

Dealt a Ah, Ad, Kd, Qd, 8c
-I would hold the two aces, but what would you do if the 8c was a suited royal card? Would you choose four to a royal with one card position open for a possibly Xtra-card or keep the winning hand of two aces with three open card positions?

Dealt 6h, 6d, 6c, Jh, Jd
-I would lean toward keeping the three sixes, but even though it is wrong, I would base my decision on how my bank roll was doing at that point in the game. Sometimes the credits for a full house are better than an opportunity for a bigger win.

I'm sure there are many other hands to think about, but I'd love to hear them. I'm not even close to being a perfect player in any game, I just enjoy the excitement of playing, but I do trying to be aware of and think about some decisions I make as I play.
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July 11th, 2024 at 6:28:08 AM permalink
Well in normal super aces you would only hold the two aces and Im sure that would be correct here as well.
Also there is no kickers in super aces so perhaps youre thinking of double double bonus.
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July 12th, 2024 at 4:23:16 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Well in normal super aces you would only hold the two aces and Im sure that would be correct here as well.
Also there is no kickers in super aces so perhaps youre thinking of double double bonus.
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You are correct. I was actually playing Aces Kicker which is double double bonus. The different names for the same game gets confusing.
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