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May 16th, 2020 at 7:29:12 AM
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Somewhere there's a web manager asking himself, "Why is this rig getting so much interest?"
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
May 16th, 2020 at 7:36:11 AM
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Both Rob and the owners of that "other RV" had the original flooring changed out to the exact same new flooring. The current owners actually owned a bunch of RV lots and had two Newell's. There has been three previous owners. Other than the basic floor plan, no two are alike, well, other than these two of course. Apparently they have the exact same taste as Rob, and they both decided to change the flooring out and replace it with the same exact flooring.
For all the super sleuths VIN Number:
1N9458X8881011220
For all the super sleuths VIN Number:
1N9458X8881011220
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 16th, 2020 at 9:40:09 AM
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Another little something that happens time after time when people come to close to debunking everything Singer claims is his scheduled traveling. Suddenly, he's offline for several weeks because he's driving from one side of the country to the other. Whenever the ground under his feet gets to hot he travels and has no internet access (I guess he still uses a Nokia 3310 lol). This basically means he takes a couple of weeks to think about some new twist he's going to throw out there to confuse people some more (hoping they forgot about his last snafu). Whenever it works for him he's offline. Whenever it helps his story telling he changes his travel plans or he miraculously returns to the online world because he was able to get some easy temporary internet access somewhere. But only when it helps his story. It would be funny if it wasn't so obvious. Be careful you don't step into the bullshit :)
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May 16th, 2020 at 9:56:10 AM
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If he hadn't attacked me I'd feel sorry for him.
May 16th, 2020 at 10:06:06 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonIf he hadn't attacked me I'd feel sorry for him.
He pulled your leg from day one and you fell for it. There were more than enough people warning you and you knew about his questionable reputation. Point in case: for an experienced investigative journalist you were painfully naive. But that's all water under the bridge now. At least now you see him for what he really is: a manure spreader :)
May 16th, 2020 at 10:44:46 AM
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My ex- brother-in law is a compulsive liar and he wears the exact same outfit Rob does in the RV pics.
He also claims he owns those clothes :)
He also claims he owns those clothes :)
May 16th, 2020 at 11:49:57 AM
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I poke occasional fun at Rob's clothes, but they don't mean anything credibility-wise. The rule of thumb for me, when I was doing serious cash gambling in LV 1980-2002 was the more money I carried, the worse I dressed. A lot of sports gamblers and poker players seem to follow the same rule. But for God's sake, "Singer" should have bought a new hat, at least.
I still do not get it. Why do the interview? Trying to glom onto Wizard? There was zero chance Shackleford was going to become a fanboy. I just do not understand the whole deal. Why do the pics?
I still do not get it. Why do the interview? Trying to glom onto Wizard? There was zero chance Shackleford was going to become a fanboy. I just do not understand the whole deal. Why do the pics?
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 16th, 2020 at 11:57:06 AM
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If I recall correctly, Mr. Shackelford wore a Hawaiian like type of shirt on his last video.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 16th, 2020 at 12:06:41 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfIf I recall correctly, Mr. Shackelford wore a Hawaiian like type of shirt on his last video.
LOL. Yes, Axelwolf, I certainly caught that.
Lecturers should wear simple, solid colors, which is what you'll find in something like The Great Courses videos. I was planning a bunch of podcasts until the virus hit and had a wardrobe lined up that certainly would not be following my own advice. All flashy retro stuff or Asian. I did not quite fit into my old Dr. No-style jackets, unfortunately.
So dress as I say, not as I dress.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 16th, 2020 at 12:07:47 PM
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Best line of the whole shindig was Mission's.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 22nd, 2020 at 10:25:57 AM
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Rob Singer asked me to post these pictures of a sales contract as evidence the RV belongs to him.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
May 22nd, 2020 at 11:16:55 AM
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Of course it's legitimate. That's why the name of the dealer was redacted on the first page but not on the signature line of the second page.
There is no (notary) seal or other seal on the document either.
Too bad he just didn't show the title and registration. He had them right there.
There is no (notary) seal or other seal on the document either.
Too bad he just didn't show the title and registration. He had them right there.
May 22nd, 2020 at 1:04:17 PM
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Can I ask when you receive that? Why you holding back information😆
If anyone happens to need a bill of sale.
https://www.legalcontracts.com/contracts/bill-of-sale/?loc=US&pid=googleads-bos_us-VehicleL2_aq9-ggkey_vehicle%20bill%20of%20sale%20oregon&gclid=CjwKCAjw8J32BRBCEiwApQEKgXNGrmivWKNjfYqznvF0CCOx_d99SE3zMNnKC_nJh0PL2qfLq3w4DBoCDQkQAvD_BwE
If anyone happens to need a bill of sale.
https://www.legalcontracts.com/contracts/bill-of-sale/?loc=US&pid=googleads-bos_us-VehicleL2_aq9-ggkey_vehicle%20bill%20of%20sale%20oregon&gclid=CjwKCAjw8J32BRBCEiwApQEKgXNGrmivWKNjfYqznvF0CCOx_d99SE3zMNnKC_nJh0PL2qfLq3w4DBoCDQkQAvD_BwE
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 22nd, 2020 at 1:15:28 PM
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Handwriting expert: "Easiest money I've ever made!" "I guess they were trying to get caught?"
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 22nd, 2020 at 1:54:01 PM
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There are half a dozen things wrong with that bill of sale attempt. But kudos to "Singer." I guess he figures if one out of 10 people buy it, that's a win, because going in he was looking at zero for 10.
Why continue down this path? What's next? Get a collection from the kids to try to rent a fancy RV for a week trip? Take some tight shots of him driving and explain he traded in the Newell? I'm trying to contribute to the cause here. Anyone else have some good ideas? In the pics, I would have posed a blow up doll on the Newell bed just to give it a homey lived-in feel.
Hey, can someone check the legality of those signatures? I don't think you can sign a title deed that way, but I may very well be wrong. I think, in fact, that is the way you actually are told to NOT sign it.
Why continue down this path? What's next? Get a collection from the kids to try to rent a fancy RV for a week trip? Take some tight shots of him driving and explain he traded in the Newell? I'm trying to contribute to the cause here. Anyone else have some good ideas? In the pics, I would have posed a blow up doll on the Newell bed just to give it a homey lived-in feel.
Hey, can someone check the legality of those signatures? I don't think you can sign a title deed that way, but I may very well be wrong. I think, in fact, that is the way you actually are told to NOT sign it.
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"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
May 22nd, 2020 at 2:33:51 PM
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Come to think of it, I've never seen one signature line for two people before. Usually there is a separate line for each signer. However, maybe things are different in Oregon.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
May 22nd, 2020 at 3:45:51 PM
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very different considering the fact that the dealership Rob claims to have bought his RV from doesn't even have their own letterhead on the top of their bill of sale. They're happy with just using an online generated bill of sale when they sell million-dollar RVs. According to some research KJ did the location Rob claims to how about this RV actually wasn't selling RVs at the time Rob claimed he bought it.Quote: WizardCome to think of it, I've never seen one signature line for two people before. Usually there is a separate line for each signer. However, maybe things are different in Oregon.
I'm really surprised the bill of sale wasn't written on a piece of toilet paper.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 22nd, 2020 at 10:40:47 PM
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Do people still use CBs? I have not seen one since the early 1980s.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
May 22nd, 2020 at 10:46:11 PM
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Where is page 3 of 3?
May 23rd, 2020 at 5:57:41 AM
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Obviously he didn't pay the extra cost for the fake third page
May 30th, 2020 at 11:19:09 PM
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I realize I am a little late to this discussion on this forum, but I have been pretty heavily involved in the discussion on another site, so I do want to comment.
Rob Singer has made phony claim after phony claim for decades. Most of them like his claims involving winning 100's of thousands to millions of dollars playing -EV video poker defy the mathematics. This double up claim was the first claim he made that didn't defy the math...because it is not his claim. He stole the story from Kane & Nestor.
Kudos to Alan for this thread, which lead to the interview with Mike, which lead to two different forum owners / administrators, Mike and Dan Druff asking for or about some sort of documentation regarding the claim. This pressure lead to Singer posting not 1 but 2 completely phony pieces of evidence.
The first pictures of himself in a Newell RV, the same make he SAID he bought with the winnings from the double up bug. Problem was that RV was at a dealers showroom, Arizona Luxury RV's, near his home. He went to a dealer, pretended to be in the market for the RV and then took and posted pictures of himself in the RV. That in itself is unbelievable.....almost.
When that didn't go over well, Rob produces a bill of sale, which was obviously not real. It had no letterhead of the company involved, no official seal, where the seal is supposed to go, the signature of the salesman is unreadable and no typed name, so no one could check on that, and the signatures of Rob, his Wife and the salesman all appeared to be the same handwriting.
Furthermore the company Rob claims sold him the RV in 2013, filed for bankruptcy in 2009, closed for 18 months and later re-opened on a much smaller scale, but only offered parts and service when they re-emerged from bankruptcy. They were not selling RV's at the time of that phony bill of sale.
I think this closes the Rob Singer Double up bug claim and really all Rob Singer claims for anyone with half a brain.
Again, good job to Alan, and pretty good interview by Mike. I would have gone at Rob a little harder than Mike did, but Mike wanted to appear a fair journalist. At least Singer was given the rope to hang himself and did just that.
Rob Singer has made phony claim after phony claim for decades. Most of them like his claims involving winning 100's of thousands to millions of dollars playing -EV video poker defy the mathematics. This double up claim was the first claim he made that didn't defy the math...because it is not his claim. He stole the story from Kane & Nestor.
Kudos to Alan for this thread, which lead to the interview with Mike, which lead to two different forum owners / administrators, Mike and Dan Druff asking for or about some sort of documentation regarding the claim. This pressure lead to Singer posting not 1 but 2 completely phony pieces of evidence.
The first pictures of himself in a Newell RV, the same make he SAID he bought with the winnings from the double up bug. Problem was that RV was at a dealers showroom, Arizona Luxury RV's, near his home. He went to a dealer, pretended to be in the market for the RV and then took and posted pictures of himself in the RV. That in itself is unbelievable.....almost.
When that didn't go over well, Rob produces a bill of sale, which was obviously not real. It had no letterhead of the company involved, no official seal, where the seal is supposed to go, the signature of the salesman is unreadable and no typed name, so no one could check on that, and the signatures of Rob, his Wife and the salesman all appeared to be the same handwriting.
Furthermore the company Rob claims sold him the RV in 2013, filed for bankruptcy in 2009, closed for 18 months and later re-opened on a much smaller scale, but only offered parts and service when they re-emerged from bankruptcy. They were not selling RV's at the time of that phony bill of sale.
I think this closes the Rob Singer Double up bug claim and really all Rob Singer claims for anyone with half a brain.
Again, good job to Alan, and pretty good interview by Mike. I would have gone at Rob a little harder than Mike did, but Mike wanted to appear a fair journalist. At least Singer was given the rope to hang himself and did just that.
May 30th, 2020 at 11:54:59 PM
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Quote: kewljMost of them like his claims involving winning 100's of thousands to millions of dollars playing -EV video poker defy the mathematics.
The story begins and ends here. Once someone makes an outrageous claim that is defied by math and refuses to recant, then there's no reason to ever believe anything they say in the future. There's no reason to dispute their claims beyond a simple explanation of why their original claim is bogus. Whether they claim to have exploited a known bug, own a luxury RV, can turn Pb into Au, saw 18 yos in a row, or are the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Who cares? If people choose to believe them, it's their prerogative.
May 31st, 2020 at 5:56:32 AM
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"Those who believe without reason cannot be convinced by reason." James Randi
Shout out to kewlJ.
There was a long, long period of time at VCT after arci stopped posting and before the WoV folks showed up, where I was pretty much the lead dude trying to debunk the "Singer" schtick or at least put it in perspective. Not an easy thing to do at the time. I shouldered every kind of attack from coach trying to play gotcha with any detail posted to Singer having truly lovely things to say about deceased relatives to Alan not quite believing I presented an academic paper on its own merits.
I have to salute kewlJ for being the proverbial dog with a bone regarding "Singer." He was as patient and committed as arci back in the day. I was never quite that patient with any of it.
I'll say one last thing. I saw MaxPen's photos of the inside of "Singer's" actual camper as compared to the Newell. I remembered my dad buying a similar size unit back when I was 18. And I remembered buying a 12 by 50 mobile home to live in when we were at Penn State. I remember the beds and space limitations and hanging out with other folks in the trailer park, some of whom were the salt of the earth. And I thought of Argentino and his wife hanging in the little Winnebago in their 70s. After all these years of "Singer's' nasty lies (my wife) and stupid lies (that I tried to sell him "picks"), I actually shed a tear for him.
The whole adventure is just sad. He knew his way around LV in the 90's; he recognized a lot of the pitfalls of gambling and the bull. But he just couldn't let go of the non-math fairy tales and the nastiness just got worse and worse.
God bless him.
Shout out to kewlJ.
There was a long, long period of time at VCT after arci stopped posting and before the WoV folks showed up, where I was pretty much the lead dude trying to debunk the "Singer" schtick or at least put it in perspective. Not an easy thing to do at the time. I shouldered every kind of attack from coach trying to play gotcha with any detail posted to Singer having truly lovely things to say about deceased relatives to Alan not quite believing I presented an academic paper on its own merits.
I have to salute kewlJ for being the proverbial dog with a bone regarding "Singer." He was as patient and committed as arci back in the day. I was never quite that patient with any of it.
I'll say one last thing. I saw MaxPen's photos of the inside of "Singer's" actual camper as compared to the Newell. I remembered my dad buying a similar size unit back when I was 18. And I remembered buying a 12 by 50 mobile home to live in when we were at Penn State. I remember the beds and space limitations and hanging out with other folks in the trailer park, some of whom were the salt of the earth. And I thought of Argentino and his wife hanging in the little Winnebago in their 70s. After all these years of "Singer's' nasty lies (my wife) and stupid lies (that I tried to sell him "picks"), I actually shed a tear for him.
The whole adventure is just sad. He knew his way around LV in the 90's; he recognized a lot of the pitfalls of gambling and the bull. But he just couldn't let go of the non-math fairy tales and the nastiness just got worse and worse.
God bless him.
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"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
September 11th, 2020 at 4:25:14 PM
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Aren't we getting close to the October sales date for Rob Singer's mega RV? This is when we're finally supposed to see the proof of ownership. The date?
September 11th, 2020 at 7:05:00 PM
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Reach out to Rob directly, he'll fill you in on the details.
Do you plan to take a walk through, a test drive or make an offer?
Do you plan to take a walk through, a test drive or make an offer?
September 12th, 2020 at 12:06:43 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonAren't we getting close to the October sales date for Rob Singer's mega RV? This is when we're finally supposed to see the proof of ownership. The date?
I mention this so nobody gets roped into any wayward wagers. "Singer" made a trip to Asheville, NC a few weeks back. He reported it was for his father-in-law's funeral. If true, any number of things, some with titles, may have recently changed hands, so don't be surprised if items or vehicles suddenly show up in his wife's name, with his along for the ride, of course.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
September 12th, 2020 at 1:11:30 AM
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Quote: redietzI mention this so nobody gets roped into any wayward wagers.
You've expressed an interest in meeting Rob in person.
I read somewhere that the RV inspections would be by invitation-only.
Any chance that you'll request an invite to the event?
LMK
September 12th, 2020 at 6:38:25 AM
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Is there really a need to discuss this any further? Haven't we all seen enough?
Facts:
As part of his double up bug claim, Rob Singer claimed to have bought a Newell RV for over a million dollars. When pressed by two different forum owners, to produce evidence, Rob went to an RV dealership, 7 miles from his home, pretended to be a perspective buyer and took pictures of himself inside a Newell RV on the dealership lot. VERY staged pictures. Anyone interested could find that identical Newell RV, right down to the same bedspread and shower squeegee, in the ads from that dealership.
When pressed further for something to back up his claim, Rob produced a generic bill of sale from a company that was out of business (bankruptcy) at the time Rob claims the sale. No letterhead, No logo. Just a generic bill of sale document copied from the internet. The salesman's signature was intentionally unreadable so there could be no follow up. And the salesman's signature, Rob's signature, were very obviously of the same handwriting.
This guy Rob Singer has trolled the gambling / AP community for decades with tales of his million dollar winnings playing -EV video poker, using progressive wagering and "special plays". This latest claim of him finding and playing the double-up bug to the tune of millions, is just another tale from this AP want-a-be troll. Stop giving this clown who has trolled the AP community for decades....DECADES, the attention he craves.
Facts:
As part of his double up bug claim, Rob Singer claimed to have bought a Newell RV for over a million dollars. When pressed by two different forum owners, to produce evidence, Rob went to an RV dealership, 7 miles from his home, pretended to be a perspective buyer and took pictures of himself inside a Newell RV on the dealership lot. VERY staged pictures. Anyone interested could find that identical Newell RV, right down to the same bedspread and shower squeegee, in the ads from that dealership.
When pressed further for something to back up his claim, Rob produced a generic bill of sale from a company that was out of business (bankruptcy) at the time Rob claims the sale. No letterhead, No logo. Just a generic bill of sale document copied from the internet. The salesman's signature was intentionally unreadable so there could be no follow up. And the salesman's signature, Rob's signature, were very obviously of the same handwriting.
This guy Rob Singer has trolled the gambling / AP community for decades with tales of his million dollar winnings playing -EV video poker, using progressive wagering and "special plays". This latest claim of him finding and playing the double-up bug to the tune of millions, is just another tale from this AP want-a-be troll. Stop giving this clown who has trolled the AP community for decades....DECADES, the attention he craves.
September 12th, 2020 at 6:46:45 AM
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Oh by the way, funniest addition to the story: Rob owns a second RV, a much more modest pull behind type vehicle in the $14,000 price range. Nice enough RV if you are into that kind of thing.
So Rob has been traveling the country this summer, as he usually does in the summer months and guess what RV he has been traveling and living in? Lol. Rob's explanation is that the smaller, much less expensive RV is easier to handle. LOL> I mean come on....someone owns a million dollar RV and a 14k RV and they travel the country in the 14k RV. Give me a break.
So Rob has been traveling the country this summer, as he usually does in the summer months and guess what RV he has been traveling and living in? Lol. Rob's explanation is that the smaller, much less expensive RV is easier to handle. LOL> I mean come on....someone owns a million dollar RV and a 14k RV and they travel the country in the 14k RV. Give me a break.
September 12th, 2020 at 7:18:38 AM
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Kewlj has summed up the facts. But Singer for months has said he's selling his mega RV in October and in October it and his official owner documents will be available.
This is the time for the fat lady to sing. Right?
You dont want to miss it. Do you?
This is the time for the fat lady to sing. Right?
You dont want to miss it. Do you?
September 12th, 2020 at 8:14:00 AM
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Quote: coachbellyYou've expressed an interest in meeting Rob in person.
I read somewhere that the RV inspections would be by invitation-only.
Any chance that you'll request an invite to the event?
LMK
LOL. Right, coach. "Singer" was just in Asheville. My house is 45 miles from Asheville. I go to Asheville quite frequently. Didn't I offer to meet you there during the Southern Conference basketball tournament a couple of years ago? Or was that somebody else?
The last time "Singer" announced he'd be in Asheville, I offered to meet him so that I could hand off the semi-famous "package," which included publications from The Humanist, the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking, op eds, and other stuff. That would have put him on the spot to have read the material.
"Singer" refused to meet me. Look it up. Your research is usually spot on.
I would have offered again publicly this last time, but a funeral seemed a bit intrusive.
It's football season, coach. Snipe hunts during football season, not my thing. I'm sure Alan can handle any investigative action. For all I know, "Singer's" father-in-law may have had a Newell. Now it could be in his daughter's name, presumably.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
September 12th, 2020 at 9:43:23 AM
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Quote: redietzFor all I know, "Singer's" father-in-law may have had a Newell. Now it could be in his daughter's name, presumably.
Singer's RV will have to match the photos.
September 12th, 2020 at 10:49:06 AM
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Bob Weir, of Grateful Dead fame, owns a three million dollar RV that he uses when he is on tour. With the virus, touring is on hold and he has been making the bus available to some people just to keep his employees working. A few weeks ago, my friend's family used it to go from Bisbee up to Bend, Oregon. I got a quick tour of it when it overnighted while picking up the family patriarch. He was 94 and unable to fly but wanted to die in Bend.
It was ridiculous luxury but I can think of about a million things I'd rather do with the money.
It was ridiculous luxury but I can think of about a million things I'd rather do with the money.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 12th, 2020 at 2:01:44 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonSinger's RV will have to match the photos.
Singer's RV won't match the photos. You can book that one, Danno.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
September 12th, 2020 at 5:58:04 PM
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Quote: redietzSinger's RV won't match the photos. You can book that one, Danno.
How silly of me to think that the "October Surprise RV" will match the previously supplied photos of him in the vehicle. He's going to reveal that he had the RV fully remodeled during the months it was not in use to prepare it for sale.
I should have known.
September 14th, 2020 at 3:10:01 AM
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So is there a date for the final resolution of this saga? A "drop dead date" if you don't mind the phrase?
Kewlj is right. It's time to close the book.
Kewlj is right. It's time to close the book.
September 15th, 2020 at 6:49:12 PM
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Considering your history with him is a little more serious than some normal Forum banter and whatnot, don't you think you should just leave it alone? There's plenty of people who are on top of all this so you can just sit back and watch it unfold. You know the book will never be closed anyways no matter what solid proof someone has that Rob doesn't own whatever RV he's claiming. Rob will counter it with something no matter how far-fetched.Quote: AlanMendelsonSo is there a date for the final resolution of this saga? A "drop dead date" if you don't mind the phrase?
Kewlj is right. It's time to close the book.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 15th, 2020 at 7:09:02 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfConsidering your history with him is a little more serious than some normal Forum banter and whatnot, don't you think you should just leave it alone? There's plenty of people who are on top of all this so you can just sit back and watch it unfold. You know the book will never be closed anyways no matter what solid proof someone has that Rob doesn't own whatever RV he's claiming. Rob will counter it with something no matter how far-fetched.
And I see things completely the opposite. The fact that Alan's history with him is more serious than "normal forum banter" is reason to NOT leave it alone.
Mendelson is not anonymous. Neither is Singer. Singer has gone off the deep end, publicly libeling Mendelson on forums. Why should anyone leave that alone? As our years dwindle, it makes more sense to even all ledgers.
Exodus 34:7.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
September 15th, 2020 at 7:50:48 PM
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Most of the forums I belong to do not allow people to attack banned members that can not defend themselves. I didn't agree with that but I'm starting to see why they do it.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 15th, 2020 at 9:04:13 PM
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Quote: billryanMost of the forums I belong to do not allow people to attack banned members that can not defend themselves. I didn't agree with that but I'm starting to see why they do it.
It's one thing to libel some anonymous pseudonym when you're an anonymous pseudonym. It's another to publicly go after a real person. I'm sure if "Singer" had any money, Mendelson would legally tattoo him. But it's pointless to sue somebody who's broke.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
September 15th, 2020 at 9:41:32 PM
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Quote: billryanMost of the forums I belong to do not allow people to attack banned members that can not defend themselves. I didn't agree with that but I'm starting to see why they do it.
You should have posted this on the forum where Singer attacks everyone.
September 16th, 2020 at 9:21:19 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonYou should have posted this on the forum where Singer attacks everyone.
I don't belong to any forum where Singer posts, nor do I have any interest in him.
On Videopoker.com, someone started a thread on him and it was shut down after three or four posts.
Why you chose to come back here after years away and resume this feud is beyond me. I don't even know if a feud is the right word as it is pretty one-sided here. I've no idea what you hoped to accomplish, nor do I really care.
I've simply pointed out a rule that would, in my opinion, improve this forum if adopted. Mr. Wizard evidently disagrees with me so there is no point in discussing it further.
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September 16th, 2020 at 9:27:56 AM
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Quote: billryanMost of the forums I belong to do not allow people to attack banned members that can not defend themselves. I didn't agree with that but I'm starting to see why they do it.
Ya know billryan, in most cases I agree with you. Decency says you don't comment on people unable to respond. But with this dude we are way beyond decency and normalcy. This guy has trolled the A.P. community for not years but decades with his made up fantasies of winning millions using voodoo strategies like progressive wagering and "special" plays. Things that defy both math and reality.
And anyone that questions him, he attacks in a most vicious and personal way with more of his lies. Maybe you are not aware but he has attacked at least 3, maybe 4 spouses of members after the spouses has passed away. How low can a person go.
September 16th, 2020 at 9:54:21 AM
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"Singer" was writing an unpaid column for Gaming Today when he went berserk and said some nasty things about an AP video poker who had just died. Wrote stuff like "eat dirt" and all that. Well, it's pretty rare for an unpaid columnist to get canned, but he was canned.
He's said some extraordinary things about me and my late wife, including that she committed suicide (she died of cancer). He actually posts this stuff on forums. He's lied about any number of things, over and over in public. I've offered rewards of 5K and such for him or anyone to provide evidence of nonsense he's said. That 5K is still sitting here years later.
I mean, there's a reason he's banned almost everywhere. His latest kick is philosophizing about what he calls "The Negro Football league."
He's said some extraordinary things about me and my late wife, including that she committed suicide (she died of cancer). He actually posts this stuff on forums. He's lied about any number of things, over and over in public. I've offered rewards of 5K and such for him or anyone to provide evidence of nonsense he's said. That 5K is still sitting here years later.
I mean, there's a reason he's banned almost everywhere. His latest kick is philosophizing about what he calls "The Negro Football league."
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
September 16th, 2020 at 1:22:12 PM
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Quote: kewljYa know billryan, in most cases I agree with you. Decency says you don't comment on people unable to respond. But with this dude we are way beyond decency and normalcy. This guy has trolled the A.P. community for not years but decades with his made up fantasies of winning millions using voodoo strategies like progressive wagering and "special" plays. Things that defy both math and reality.
And anyone that questions him, he attacks in a most vicious and personal way with more of his lies. Maybe you are not aware but he has attacked at least 3, maybe 4 spouses of members after the spouses has passed away. How low can a person go.
I just don't see how giving the guy any publicity is helpful. I know very little about him because I found out early on he wasn't worth knowing. I have an opinion on him, but I'll save it for someplace he can read it and respond.
I'm certainly not defending the guy, but having a thread dedicated to bashing anyone who can't respond seems weak.
Just ban him and any mention of him. Or don't.
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September 16th, 2020 at 1:34:52 PM
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Quote: billryanI just don't see how giving the guy any publicity is helpful.
Amen. The guy is a racist, homophobic liar. Challenging him to a game of "prove it" is senseless. He's found a group of like minded people to communicate with. Just leave him be.
September 16th, 2020 at 1:36:20 PM
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I am curious about something.
I've read in several places that the man adopted the pen name Rob Singer as a shot at Bob Dancer, yet it seems he was using the name in the early 90s. Was Mr. Dancer well known then? If I remember right, Mr. Dancer's Million Dollar Poker book tells of his exploits as a player in the 2000-2002 era. I remember reading some of Singers columns from the late 90s, and being befuddled by the math.
Can anyone educate me on the origin of his name?
I've read in several places that the man adopted the pen name Rob Singer as a shot at Bob Dancer, yet it seems he was using the name in the early 90s. Was Mr. Dancer well known then? If I remember right, Mr. Dancer's Million Dollar Poker book tells of his exploits as a player in the 2000-2002 era. I remember reading some of Singers columns from the late 90s, and being befuddled by the math.
Can anyone educate me on the origin of his name?
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September 16th, 2020 at 2:25:00 PM
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Quote: billryanI am curious about something.
I've read in several places that the man adopted the pen name Rob Singer as a shot at Bob Dancer, yet it seems he was using the name in the early 90s. Was Mr. Dancer well known then? If I remember right, Mr. Dancer's Million Dollar Poker book tells of his exploits as a player in the 2000-2002 era. I remember reading some of Singers columns from the late 90s, and being befuddled by the math.
Can anyone educate me on the origin of his name?
As far as not talking about Banned members....Wizard started this thread, with the question and poll "what do you think of Rob Singer?"
So anyway, I think your timeline may be off just a bit billryan. Redietz or Alan should know when he was writing (for free) for Gaming Today. Singer's timeline and history as been amended by him many times, but near as I can figure it currently is something like this:
From 1994-2000 he attempted to be a professional video poker player. He failed and now says he lost about 250k during this time. This might be the only thing he is NOW being honest about, but I suspect the time he was writing for GT overlaps this period and I'll bet he wasn't claiming he was losing back then when he was writing those articles with his voodoo approach.
From 2000-2004 he NOW claims he played what he calls Singer something system, which is a progressive wagering system. He played negative EV video poker and somehow progression wagering turned it +EV or into a winning strategy that he made 400K. You will note, not all that long ago the claim for this Singer progression system was for years from 2000-2010 and winnings of 1.5 millions, but that had to be amended down when he stole the Nestor/Kane double up bug story and started claiming he found and played the double up bug from 2004-2009.
I guess because he wrote these articles under the name Rob Singer, it is fairly well known what his real name is. And if you do just a little research, as a number of people, myself included have done, you will discover that his background, work history and finances, are very different than what he claims under the name "Rob Singer", which leads me to believe what he writes under the name "Rob Singer" isn't just a pen name....Rob Singer is a fictitious character to him. An Imaginary character, probably of what he wanted to be.... a successful AP / video poker player.....BUT NEVER WAS.
And as time has gone on, the things this make believe character has done grow grander and grander. :/
September 16th, 2020 at 2:57:16 PM
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Singer purposefully chose the pen name as a dig at Dancer. I was spending 90-100 days a year in LV during the 90's, and Singer had his column then, so Dancer must have already been established as a vp expert before his "Million Dollar Video Poker" was published (2003, I think). I didn't pay a lot of attention to vp at the time, but I think Dancer was frequently featured in the LVAdvisor prior to his book. Singer put his real name occasionally in his columns, even though the title of the column was "by Rob Singer." So he mentioned his real name in a high enough profile situation that nobody repeating it was spilling any secrets.
Singer, who was a decent writer, used his column to knock standard AP priorities and play. It was sometimes odd, as Singer would say one thing, sometimes in a cover article. Then, inside, one or more other writers (some were well-known APs) would basically preach the opposite.
People ask how Singer swung the writing gig. Well, he was a good writer. And he's Italian, as was the GT publisher. And sometimes, at the time, 'nuff said.
Singer, who was a decent writer, used his column to knock standard AP priorities and play. It was sometimes odd, as Singer would say one thing, sometimes in a cover article. Then, inside, one or more other writers (some were well-known APs) would basically preach the opposite.
People ask how Singer swung the writing gig. Well, he was a good writer. And he's Italian, as was the GT publisher. And sometimes, at the time, 'nuff said.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
September 16th, 2020 at 4:16:18 PM
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I have no interest in the man, just the origin of his pen name. I've heard from multiple people it was a dig at Mr. Dancer( which shockingly isn't his real name either), but the timing seems off.
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