Vulturing 'Ultimate X'
Quote: chaunceyb3Solid read tringlomane 👍. Yep, the machine did not disappoint.
nice! and no w2-G.
I've only hit a special quad once in ddb and that was w/o a kicker (quad 2's) at .10 denom. :(
but it had a 2x multiplier. :)
Dealt Royal Flush one time?!
Don't be greedy. Go for the dealt AWAK.Quote: chaunceyb3Dealt Royal Flush one time?!
Quote: chaunceyb3Thanks 100xOdds!
Dealt Royal Flush one time?!
predict 2 3 7 9 K junk
redraw = ?
We walked by an Ultimate X machine at Hollywood. Another vulture in the casino got 4 Aces off of it at nickels. Lucky SOB. We also saw a $2k royal hit minutes later. And later that night I also saw a young couple hit dealt 4 3's with a kicker with a 6X multiplier each on "Barnyard Poker" nickels for $720 total, so at least some people probably won. ;)
Were they all shut down or just selected machines? I've seen high limit machines shut down at the request of a player to lock the machine while they take a break. Several casinos will lock a machine for up to 4 hours.
Given Borgata's apparent attitude towards vultures this doesn't surprise me actually. Maybe an effort to keep fleas out of the high limit slot area?
This is what I was thinking but he's saying it's often. It sounds strange but I don't want to say it isn't happening, maybe its coincidence as he happens to walk in the at the same time as someone is taking a dinner break or something. Hopefully we can get conformation and get to the bottom of this. I wouldn't put anything past the casinos when it comes to foiling AP's, hustlers and winners.Quote: AlanMendelsonBack to the high limit machines shut down:
Were they all shut down or just selected machines? I've seen high limit machines shut down at the request of a player to lock the machine while they take a break. Several casinos will lock a machine for up to 4 hours.
Asked around and from what I can gather there is a guy who "owns" the machines who has apparently dumped millions. They keep them off per his request. Don't know to what extent that is true but there you go.
Quote: HoodstarPic as promised: http://imgur.com/0x6mbTe
Asked around and from what I can gather there is a guy who "owns" the machines who has apparently dumped millions. They keep them off per his request. Don't know to what extent that is true but there you go.
Maybe he's afraid someone will hit his 12x dealt Royal which he knows is due. (I actually wouldn't be surprised, people am crazy.)
Quote: Mission146I obviously don't have the experience in Vegas to answer to that. From what some people have said, though, there's a lot of competition, so $100 in EV, per day, is probably on the optimistic side.
Quote: DRichI really think $200 a day is reasonable if you work hard and hit 10 different casinos twice a day. It would be boring, time consuming, and you would have to work odd hours.
UX was released around Nov 2008.
July 2009 - July 2010, Vultured UX in Las Vegas.
When I left, UX +EV had already dropped below $100/day (Averaged $89 during May 2010 - Jul 2010).
Better UX locations outside Las Vegas: Northern CA, Southern CA, Illinois.
Last time I was in las Vegas, I looked quickly at a machine in Bellagio & chatted with the guy playing next to me.
He said about 20 people had checked the machine before me.
I hope you never did the "creator" thing. I ran into one of those guys at the Hard Rock. He hustled some poor sap, and then had his associate (female) play off the multipliers. I called security on them, and he called me a few choice names and then left.Quote: mamatUX was released around Nov 2008.
July 2009 - July 2010, Vultured UX in Las Vegas.
When I left, UX +EV had already dropped below $100/day (Averaged $89 during May 2010 - Jul 2010).
Better UX locations outside Las Vegas: Northern CA, Southern CA, Illinois.
Last time I was in las Vegas, I looked quickly at a machine in Bellagio & chatted with the guy playing next to me.
He said about 20 people had checked the machine before me.
Those people are absolute scum.
Quote: jjjooogggI have no idea what y'all are talking about. It is like being in a physics class.
It isn't remotely close.
Quote: RSUX must work differently in LV, since a 1x1 bet will knock down all multipliers.
It worked exactly as described in April of this year when I was there, watched a guy do it for hours at I believe the Fremont on a higher denom play, so I just sat there and waited, his multiplier wasn't getting knocked down.
Would you care to tell me where this is occurring, assuming you physically went out and just tested it, including the Machine Type (UX, ASP2, FSP, SSP), and the cabinet/case it is found in?
Quote: WizardofnothingWhy is Exoter in red?
Because moderators of this forum don't seem to be unilateral with their judgement and bias, and have a real tendency to waver on the way that they impart their judgement, like not warning me about the rules while expressing my frustration, but warning others of personal attacks, while not warning others of personal attacks simultaneously.
Quote: HunterhillYeah the Revel :)
The Revel is the biggest joke of an establishment in the AP community, from top to bottom.
Quote: tringlomaneHad a random meeting with Exoter175 tonight at the STL casinos. Cool guy, and curses less than on the forum apparently...haha Hopefully you did better than me after we parted ways!
We walked by an Ultimate X machine at Hollywood. Another vulture in the casino got 4 Aces off of it at nickels. Lucky SOB. We also saw a $2k royal hit minutes later. And later that night I also saw a young couple hit dealt 4 3's with a kicker with a 6X multiplier each on "Barnyard Poker" nickels for $720 total, so at least some people probably won. ;)
I ended up making just shy of 50% of that loss rebate back before I left, which was awesome. Hopefully you're keeping that machine I showed you hush hush, but absolutely tearing it up. Had a run on that machine in a different state tonight for about $173, made $402 for the day. I'm telling you, if you find the time to get yourself there during really busy hours, that thing will bring in some dough for you :P.
It was a pleasure meeting you tringlomane, and thank you very much for escorting me around and showing me that players club especially haha, assuming babs doesn't forever ban me for criticizing her for her lack of unilateral moderation, I'll shoot you a PM the next time we come to town.
PS, things changed and I don't believe we'll be out that way this weekend after all, unless it ends up being absolutely last minute.
Quote: AlanMendelsonBack to the high limit machines shut down:
Were they all shut down or just selected machines? I've seen high limit machines shut down at the request of a player to lock the machine while they take a break. Several casinos will lock a machine for up to 4 hours.
Revel AC and Borg are notorious for shutting down known AP machines during off-peak hours.
Quote: HoodstarIt is almost always specifically Ultimate X. I'll walk in the high limit room and all the machines will be on except for that one. This is almost every time also, the only time I see it on is if someone is actively in the seat playing it.
Given Borgata's apparent attitude towards vultures this doesn't surprise me actually. Maybe an effort to keep fleas out of the high limit slot area?
Precisely.
Any chance the EITS was watching and flipped some switch remotely to disallow a non-max bet? Anyone ever seen anything like this before? A new UX countermeasure?
Quote: 21formeWas recently in a known-for-sweat casino on the Strip which begins with C and ends in N. Went in the HL slor room, checked a few machines and found nothing. Next machine had a couple of mults, so I played them. Final machine, right next to it had a couple of mults. Put in ticket, deal button lit up at 10 unit bet. Changed it to 5 units and it went off. Called a slot attendant and she seemed somewhat clueless, but said this machine must require a 10 unit bet to play.
Any chance the EITS was watching and flipped some switch remotely to disallow a non-max bet? Anyone ever seen anything like this before? A new UX countermeasure?
To the best of my knowledge, any adjustment to those machines must be at the machine itself. They can be and are networked to reporting software but that software gathers data from the machine and does not relay instructions back.
The problem with this, it's that many dg's only play 1 credit per line so now they can't pay those machines..
Quote: RSI know some machines require a $12.50 minimum bet in that HL room.
Their 100 plays do. I never looked at ultimate X in high limit there though, but I've never seen one yet to require a minimum bet. Just seen a picture of one from ibeatyouraces. And settings can be changed electronically on some machines. But a four minute idle period is necessary in Nevada to legally do so.
Quote: tringlomaneTheir 100 plays do. I never looked at ultimate X in high limit there though, but I've never seen one yet to require a minimum bet. Just seen a picture of one from ibeatyouraces. And settings can be changed electronically on some machines. But a four minute idle period is necessary in Nevada to legally do so.
Are the poker machines designed to be adjusted from a distance? I knew this system has been talked about and in the works for some time and the Nevada regulations do allow for this but I was not aware that poker machines had been modified for this. Will have to speak with some of the slot manufacturer reps the next time I see them and try to find out where these systems have been installed and if they have had any issues. We have discussed this where I work but have not advanced any further than that. The WMS wage net system pretty much soured the milk for us.
LOL this is just priceless.Quote: 21forme
Any chance the EITS was watching and flipped some switch remotely to disallow a non-max bet? Anyone ever seen anything like this before? A new UX countermeasure?
Just out of curiosity what this guy in his late 40s shaved head with a much younger 21 or 22 ish innocent fairly attractive looking female, perhaps dark red hair? He looked all coked up and you could just look at him and know he was up to no good.Quote: teddysI hope you never did the "creator" thing. I ran into one of those guys at the Hard Rock. He hustled some poor sap, and then had his associate (female) play off the multipliers. I called security on them, and he called me a few choice names and then left.
Those people are absolute scum.
I had a run in with a pair like that a while back, it looked as if she was not yet fully aware of everything going on, it seemed as if drugs were a motivation somehow.
Quote: AxelWolfLOL this is just priceless.
I've seen it....
Lol
Luckily for me, I hit a few nice hands and made $300, but you should look out for that kind of s$%^, he looked like the sort of person who should be on a list and not left alone with children......
Quote: HeyMrDJSo I was in flamingo yesterday and this guy was trying to get me to switch games after I got a multiplier, said it was a good way to "unlock" the machine......
Luckily for me, I hit a few nice hands and made $300, but you should look out for that kind of s$%^, he looked like the sort of person who should be on a list and not left alone with children......
If this ever happens to me I am going to switch to 5 credits, play off the multiplier and move over.
Axel does this machine malfunction count, or is it only when not holding the 5th card in a 4 of a kind? =P
Also, my buddy hit this:
=D
I don't know but it did; none had any or any used mults after that, INCLUDING the game my buddy just played with two 2x's on a 3 play game. The mults he just used were gone too.Quote: WizardofnothingWhy did it wipe out the multiplier I've had machines reset and multipliers stayed on
On that note, I forgot to add this to my first post... I can 100% CONFIRM (separate from this machine malfunction) that casinos have some setting to WIPE multipliers off machines after a certain period of time.
This has to be illegal. People PAY to have those multipliers, so taking them off the machines after 30 min or 1 hour or whatever is STEALING, right?
Should I be contacting gaming?
Quote: Romes
On that note, I forgot to add this to my first post... I can 100% CONFIRM (separate from this machine malfunction) that casinos have some setting to WIPE multipliers off machines after a certain period of time.
This has to be illegal. People PAY to have those multipliers, so taking them off the machines after 30 min or 1 hour or whatever is STEALING, right?
Should I be contacting gaming?
I don't think you have a case with Nevada Gaming. I have created multiple video slot machines that do this and they don't have a problem with it. The way the ones I have done worked was when a patron went to cash out it would prompt the patron that cashing out will clear any accumulated "bonus symbols". The patron then has the choice to cash out or continue playing. If the patron runs out of money (ie. credit meter zero), it prompts them that the "bonus symbols" will be cleared in "x" seconds if more credits are not added to the game. Using this method vultures will have to be literally standing behind the player to catch it in time.
Your check is in the mail.Quote: RomesSo some interesting vulturing... Had a machine malfunction and freeze up in the high limit room, and the machine is usually loaded (.50, 1, 2, 5 levels). Usually the EV from this machine alone is $100-$200, but on the very first play it froze when attempting to draw. The attendant had to reset the machine (wiping all of the mults off it). That was a hard one to swallow =/.
Axel does this machine malfunction count, or is it only when not holding the 5th card in a 4 of a kind? =P
Also, my buddy hit this:
=D
Quote: RomesI don't know but it did; none had any or any used mults after that, INCLUDING the game my buddy just played with two 2x's on a 3 play game. The mults he just used were gone too.
On that note, I forgot to add this to my first post... I can 100% CONFIRM (separate from this machine malfunction) that casinos have some setting to WIPE multipliers off machines after a certain period of time.
This has to be illegal. People PAY to have those multipliers, so taking them off the machines after 30 min or 1 hour or whatever is STEALING, right?
Should I be contacting gaming?
I do not think this is illegal. I have been aware of this setting but we do not use it where I work and I have not been asked if this setting was legal. With that being said I do believe this setting is not stealing because the multipliers were acquired by the person playing the machine at the time and are for that person's benefit only. If the person who earned those multipliers chooses to leave them on the machine either through negligence or ignorance does not mean the next person to play the machine is entitled to them. Now like I said I have not looked into this issue but like DrR stated the Nevada GC has been fine with this game setting so far. The fact that many casinos do not use this feature does have me wondering why though, so maybe there is some sort of issue there, but I have not heard of it.
Quote: waasnodayThe fact that many casinos do not use this feature does have me wondering why though, so maybe there is some sort of issue there, but I have not heard of it.
My guess would be because the option defaults to being turned off. Most of the slot personnel probably don;t know it exists or don't understand what it actually does.
Quote: DRichMy guess would be because the option defaults to being turned off. Most of the slot personnel probably don;t know it exists or don't understand what it actually does.
After thinking about some of the conversations with the slot techs, I have to agree with you.
I don't think the casinos think the retention feature hurts them enough to take them away in the overall scheme of things. I could easily be wrong.
Quote: DanMahoneyHere's one of my favorite AP moves. I use the vulture winnings (i.e., excluding big hits) as seed money for regular VP play using Singer's modified FARTT strategy. I've been quite successful with this play to date.
I am not familiar with the FARTT strategy but I assume it stinks.
Quote: DRichI am not familiar with the FARTT strategy but I assume it stinks.
You got that right.
Quote: waasnodayWith that being said I do believe this setting is not stealing because the multipliers were acquired by the person playing the machine at the time and are for that person's benefit only. If the person who earned those multipliers chooses to leave them on the machine either through negligence or ignorance does not mean the next person to play the machine is entitled to them.
I wouldn't think that applies any more than the person who ran up a must-hit bonus without taking it and leaves. Sure it's that person's money that ran up the bonus, but it doesn't get redacted, so the next player has to run it up again.
If Singer's strategy works why would you wast time vulturing? That makes absolutely no sense.Quote: DanMahoneyHere's one of my favorite AP moves. I use the vulture winnings (i.e., excluding big hits) as seed money for regular VP play using Singer's modified FARTT strategy. I've been quite successful with this play to date.
