Vulturing 'Ultimate X'
Dealt deuces for $66,000, please . . .Quote: IbeatyouracesRemember this one I posted I found at The Palms? Unfortunately only profited $20 :-(
Quote: Avincowwow, lots of vultures in Vegas as opposed to my local stores....it's painfully obvious when someone is doing it. Counting out loud at the blackjack table is probably less suspicious. Probably best to just avoid this play, amirite?
I mean, if you want to avoid it, sure, especially if we are ever scheduled to be in Vegas at the same time.
For my part, staying Downtown, there seem to be multipliers left at Golden Nugget pretty routinely. RudeBoiOi and I found a ton on a visit to Eastside Cannery. I found a few by myself at Rio, but they didn't turn into much, unfortunately. Popped one for a nice profit somewhere in Laughlin...don't quite remember where I was at the time.
I've also found a good few at The Palms on multiple occasions. Lots of looking, but it's okay.
The other thing that makes it SEEM more futile is that you spend so much time looking...for the machines!!!! In your local, you know exactly where the machines are, so that's one reason you get better theoretical for time invested.
Vegas is tougher than any other place I've seen. Tons of guys looking. Probably a third of the time I walk into a VP section, I see a vulture.
Quote: MaxPenI front ran a "vulture regular" the other day in a Downtown Casino. He tried to verbally intimidate me. It was quite comical. I picked up less than $35 around a pretty good sized bar area spending about 20 minutes. He was livid. You would have thought I kicked his grandma or something. There are definitely alot of vultures in Vegas. A fellow might think about packing heat in case you accidentally trespass on someones turf....LOL
Vulturing like this makes me think of Vincent Schiavelli in Ghost:
Quote: tringlomaneI was verbally intimidated around last year at this time by a former regular at Ameristar St. Charles after I won about $90 on a hand. I wonder if he's been kicked out, or moved on to something else. I haven't seen him there in 2015 at all (but I only go about monthly)...
I just laugh at them.
Quote: djatcUX vultures in the locals areas I'm assuming don't make more then $50-100 a day in EV. That's if they are really good with a very clear cut route. This with the max lines min bet must hit by players probably don't do so well.
It really depends on the UX Denoms offered by the casino. I don't think I'd ever, 'Camp out,' to check UX all day, but if I had the time there are certainly certain casinos I'd check twice a day.
One casino in particular I know of, I would say someone could get closer to $200 EV a day if they camped out all day on an average day. A slow day, probably not, but an average or busy day.
Obviously, that's probably not going to be worth the time expenditure because they'd want to stay away from -EV games and would be extremely bored. I mean, waiting for someone to get off a nickels game just to hopefully vulture one nickels play...no thanks. You would potentially go hours without doing anything.
But, to say EV of $50-$100 is probably low balling some casinos and overestimating others. I know of one where you'd get that EV in a single visit, often just off one machine, as long as none of the other vultures hit the casino that day. I know of one where there's no way in Hell of getting that kind of EV because there are only three UX machines, all nickels.
As far as Must-Hits go, I largely agree, I average 0.4 playable situations on any given visit, and we're talking an average of all casinos I've frequented locally. I'd say average EV per visit is maybe $10 on those.
There are other plays, though. There are vulture type plays and Progressives with a reasonably low cycle. Some of those low cycle plays generate quickly because of people betting more than the minimum and beefing up the meter.
Overall, I probably get $30-$40 in EV, per visit, at the casino without UX, which is fine if one is a recreational player. That's mainly because more people are hip to the vulture plays, the EV used to be better.
The only casino reasonably close to me with UX AND that I'm allowed in, I probably get $30-$40 in EV, per visit, vulturing UX. I obviously only go there if I'm in the area anyway.
Quote: Mission146I mean, if you want to avoid it, sure, especially if we are ever scheduled to be in Vegas at the same time.
For my part, staying Downtown, there seem to be multipliers left at Golden Nugget pretty routinely. RudeBoiOi and I found a ton on a visit to Eastside Cannery. I found a few by myself at Rio, but they didn't turn into much, unfortunately. Popped one for a nice profit somewhere in Laughlin...don't quite remember where I was at the time.
I've also found a good few at The Palms on multiple occasions. Lots of looking, but it's okay.
The other thing that makes it SEEM more futile is that you spend so much time looking...for the machines!!!! In your local, you know exactly where the machines are, so that's one reason you get better theoretical for time invested.
well, i was referring to the time aspect as well as the heat aspect. Like I said, it's obvious what you are doing when you vulture. Is the casino going to think I'm AP if I am vulturing? If I'm counting cards, I might as well just count, and not worry drawing heat to myself by trying to make a few bucks at UX
Quote: djatcI'm referring to the strip. You could theoretically start from Mandalay bay and work yourself up to the strat if one really were determined. Check a few must hit bys on the way, if you don't have bankroll for a good one call someone. I suppose one can watch a game at the sports book if they get bored or want to take a break. If they are decent at poker they can rack up some hours somewhere for a meal.
I obviously don't have the experience in Vegas to answer to that. From what some people have said, though, there's a lot of competition, so $100 in EV, per day, is probably on the optimistic side.
Quote: Mission146I obviously don't have the experience in Vegas to answer to that. From what some people have said, though, there's a lot of competition, so $100 in EV, per day, is probably on the optimistic side.
I really think $200 a day is reasonable if you work hard and hit 10 different casinos twice a day. It would be boring, time consuming, and you would have to work odd hours.
http://imgur.com/j4UOdoe
It's always the high multiplier ones that brick...
Quote: HoodstarI used the wizard app for double double bonus but I'm assuming ultimate x ddb has different strategies than regular. The app said to hold 3 spades but I'll admit it felt weird at the time.
Full pay DB has the flush paying 7. Most UX games will only pay 5 or at best 6 for a flush. I'm always checking paytables on DW and BPDx and looking at the full house pays to make the right hold.
Ship the sherbert.
I've gotten dealt Quads vulturing on a non-Wild game on two occasions, unfortunately, it was for nickels once and dimes the other time. Still a decent payday in both cases, though.
Quote: HoodstarI used the wizard app for double double bonus but I'm assuming ultimate x ddb has different strategies than regular. The app said to hold 3 spades but I'll admit it felt weird at the time.
If you're vulturing use regular strategy. Only use ultimate x strategy if you're betting max credits. The strategy was having you keep 3 to a flush due to you having the chance to get a large multiplier on the following hand. If you're not going to be getting a multiplier on the following hand don't use ultimate x strategy.
Your advantage is going to be that number minus your bet ($15) then divided by your bet ($15). This is 5.92.....so you had a 592% edge. And your EV is $88.93.
Quote: rudeboyoiIf you're vulturing use regular strategy. Only use ultimate x strategy if you're betting max credits. The strategy was having you keep 3 to a flush due to you having the chance to get a large multiplier on the following hand. If you're not going to be getting a multiplier on the following hand don't use ultimate x strategy.
Interesting. I input the hand in the wizard all for regular DDB and that was the hold it suggested (I'm not sure if UX is even on the app?).
Also thank you RS! That's a hell of an EV for 20 minutes of looking. If only it were possible to find one of those an hour. Dare to dream... Usually the only thing I find is nickel plays, with a 2x on .25 or higher being a good find.
Please don't brick, please don't brick, please. Deal: nothing. Draw: win 20 credits. F---!! G--- dammit.
2 seconds later... Ooooh lookie here on this other machine.
No whammies, big money... Deal: nothing. Draw: win 0 credits. Oh Bob Saget!!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D2NM7QyHlyY
Quote: pewCan't believe someone playing a hundy a hand would be that dumb!
5x(2.50) = $12.50 per deal? ...even if you play full credits (10) that's still only $25 per deal.
Quote: Romes5x(2.50) = $12.50 per deal? ...even if you play full credits (10) that's still only $25 per deal.
Not to mention, those aren't vulture plays.
Quote: IbeatyouracesNot to mention, those aren't vulture plays.
He's leaving behind bigger multipliers than he picked off!
Quote: RSHe's leaving behind bigger multipliers than he picked off!
I think he's playing it straight up.
Our result, bet 50, dealt a complete redraw, return 70, profit $20 :-)
Quote: IbeatyouracesJust remember, it is possible to find a load of high multipliers on a high denomination machine...
Our result, bet 50, dealt a complete redraw, return 70, profit $20 :-)
Of all the times to see those damn 4 deuces pop up ;)... at least you came out with profit on the complete redraw though!
Quote: IbeatyouracesFull pay DB has the flush paying 7. Most UX games will only pay 5 or at best 6 for a flush. I'm always checking paytables on DW and BPDx and looking at the full house pays to make the right hold.
Full pay UX for DB is 9/6/5. My guess is he didn't alter the paytable.
Hit this at Gold Strike Tunica within an hour of arriving this weekend. Talk about Southern hospitality! Finally a royal higher than 2c a credit!
Quote: Romes... at least you came out with profit on the complete redraw though!
Yeah, we got lucky and got two 3oak's. One each on the 7x's.
Quote: beachbumbabsI think the narratives between/below the pictures are for the hands AFTER the nice multipliers are generated, not the ones shown. He basically bricked them both; the first for 20, the second for 0, with multipliers on every hand.
Exactly right babs. Sorry for any confusion.
Quote: IbeatyouracesJust remember, it is possible to find a load of high multipliers on a high denomination machine...
Our result, bet 50, dealt a complete redraw, return 70, profit $20 :-)
I figured you out. You play straight up then bet 5 and take a picture. Then tell everyone you are vulturing. ;-)
Quote: GWAEI figured you out. You play straight up then bet 5 and take a picture. Then tell everyone you are vulturing. ;-)
Haha, I wish I had that kind of money :-)
Quote: tringlomane...Hit this at Gold Strike Tunica within an hour of arriving this weekend. Talk about Southern hospitality! Finally a royal higher than 2c a credit!
Nice. You're ahead of me. As much as I've played, I've never hit a multiplied royal vulturing. And the one I did get missed any of them and it was nickels.
Quote: IbeatyouracesQuote: tringlomane...Hit this at Gold Strike Tunica within an hour of arriving this weekend. Talk about Southern hospitality! Finally a royal higher than 2c a credit!
Nice. You're ahead of me. As much as I've played, I've never hit a multiplied royal vulturing. And the one I did get missed any of them and it was nickels.
I haven't hit anything vulturing. Think the most I've made on a play is 4 bucks and I've found some high EV plays too at higher than quarters.
Someday variance will even out. That's what they say anyway :)
Quote: Hoodstar
I haven't hit anything vulturing. Think the most I've made on a play is 4 bucks and I've found some high EV plays too at higher than quarters.
Someday variance will even out. That's what they say anyway :)
When I first started to look more seriously, I was significantly below expectation because I had a bit of a quad drought. You still often need quads or better to drag home a sizeable win.
http://i.imgur.com/BmUEemD.jpg
Quote: IbeatyouracesQuote: tringlomane...Hit this at Gold Strike Tunica within an hour of arriving this weekend. Talk about Southern hospitality! Finally a royal higher than 2c a credit!
Nice. You're ahead of me. As much as I've played, I've never hit a multiplied royal vulturing. And the one I did get missed any of them and it was nickels.
I lied, sorta. I just got my first one...
Quote: WizardofnothingJust amazed at what people leave behind
http://i.imgur.com/BmUEemD.jpg
I've had that a few times but usually on triple play but once in a while you find it and score!
Quote: IbeatyouracesShould I draw for the straight flush? :-D
What are the flush and straight flush payouts?
My bad, but it's still $50- at max bet I think. Either way it's dumb.Quote: Romes5x(2.50) = $12.50 per deal? ...even if you play full credits (10) that's still only $25 per deal.
Quote: pewMy bad, but it's still $50- at max bet I think. Either way it's dumb.
wtf r u talking about?
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someone hijack the acct and is now trolling?
