ChumpChange
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February 7th, 2019 at 11:14:15 PM permalink
I'd more likely have $250 sessions with 10 $25 bets per session and double or nothing on those sessions. I'd have 320 hands to lose at $25 Blackjack with $8000. Table minimums probably demand at least that. With 4 hours, I might get $25 of comps, but I don't understand comps that much. Paying for the $500 room probably demands playing at the $50 level instead.

If I was playing craps, I'd be very conservative. A session of 10 bets in the rail for the passline typically lasts me 30-90 minutes (average 1 hour) and I'm either doubling or nothing my session buy-in. Trying to stretch that out to 16 hours would mean budgeting 16 sessions. At $50 betting only the passline, a truly cold run could go through $8000 in 16 sessions of 10x $50. I'd have less -EV if I bet $15 on the PL with double odds.
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mayoroftitycity
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February 8th, 2019 at 9:34:06 AM permalink
GLGL!

I prefer to mix in hardways when I play as I find the casino tends to appreciate it and I believe offers me more comps through that strategy.

EDIT: Also, are pictures going to be included in this TR? It wouldn't be a proper TR without some pics
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February 9th, 2019 at 10:19:08 PM permalink
Generally properties want you to average 4 hours per room comp night.

If you play 12 hours the first day and then nothing for the next 2, should be the same as 4-4-4.

YMMV
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February 10th, 2019 at 5:18:29 AM permalink
Welcome to the forum. There is 'theo' and actual. They "think" they have an actual on you, which may have them overcomping your theo. Rat holing chips to me is a big plus. I walk away even or down a bit on most of my wins. I'm no expert, but I think "losing" each session helps with comps.
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February 10th, 2019 at 7:43:09 AM permalink
How long have you been at the property (MGM)? If you're a fairly new player, they tend to be a bit more generous with the initial offers. And then even if you keep the same play for the next future trips, the offer starts to taper off. If I were you, I'd do one session at NYNY. You still get the rating since it's MLIFE, and your host still has to take your play at NYNY into consideration. The only drawback is for the host because he/she doesn't get the credit for your play in NYNY. After some time, you'll start getting offers from NYNY as well.

Quote: SOOPOO

There is 'theo' and actual. They "think" they have an actual on you, which may have them overcomping your theo. Rat holing chips to me is a big plus. I walk away even or down a bit on most of my wins. I'm no expert, but I think "losing" each session helps with comps.



Just like what SOOPOO said, rat holing is a HUGE +EV on comps. I also found rat holing at a craps table the easiest. I would highly recommend playing at a busy loud table. About 2 year ago, I was on a guys trip at Planet Hollywood with 3 friends, and I played exclusively craps for 5 sessions $1000 buy-in each round, and the PH was fairly busy at every table that weekend due to March madness. I was playing around $20 pass line with full odds on 3X, 4X, 5X. All weekend, the tables were up and down with no real crazy hot or cold streak. I rat holed around $200-300 each session with green chips and end up netting exactly $1300 of green chips for the weekend. I was a bit paranoid, so I made my friends start cashing my chips in at several greens at a time along with their chips and at other various casinos when we went casino hopping. Long story short, I ended the weekend with an actual Planet Hollywood profit of $150, I ended up with a decent rating, some food comp, and my host sent me a text as I was checking out, "sorry you lost this trip, maybe next time." I sent back the text "Can you tell me how much the system is saying I'm down" She replied "Down 1100 All on craps with X avg bet X hours. Is that accurate?" I replied, "just about, see you next time."

theo is nice, but it's not everything. The casinos like to see actual losses on you.
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February 10th, 2019 at 7:47:07 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Welcome to the forum. There is 'theo' and actual. They "think" they have an actual on you, which may have them overcomping your theo. Rat holing chips to me is a big plus. I walk away even or down a bit on most of my wins. I'm no expert, but I think "losing" each session helps with comps.



A host at the casino we visited for our son's 21st birthday was asked about some comps for a meal at the steak house. I had gambled my normal amount and won a little bit and she gave me a slip for $80. My son asked and she said that it looked like he had been winning and did not qualify for any comps. He had no history there, so I am not sure if that was the correct answer or a lazy one... At any rate, I would advise him to rat hole in the future just in case it matters in their calculations.

At another local, a player had a couple of thousand dollars in green chips in front of him. The dealers had just let a guy at the other end of the table color up and continue play (which I know is discouraged, if allowed at all). The guy next to me wanted to give his wife some money and tried to do the same thing. They refused, so she left with a whole bunch of green chips. When he left, he pocketed all of the rest of them. I know they had an idea of what he had on the rail, but they would have had a more exact number if they had done the partial color for him. I know it slows the table down but so does buying in mid-roll but they seem to allow that without question.

Anyway, I don't usually rat hole but I may start...who knows if it will make any difference in my minimal comps!
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February 10th, 2019 at 1:33:31 PM permalink
They can and do overcomp room rates. For example booking via Expedia with a bundled flight from one will save me 73/night putting the rate on a staywell king at $127/night for March 1-4. The resort credit matters too but don't forget MGM charges $42 / night in resort fees. Check your offer to ensure they resort fee is taken off. Print your reservation out showing that -- I had a hard time at MGM last April convincing them that my offer including no resort fees but had the printout -- the end result is when I checked in they they lost my reservation and when rebooked gave me the Saturday night (which was not comped) comped and nixed the resort fees.
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February 15th, 2019 at 8:49:41 AM permalink
I'm considering going to Slots of fun. Do they have good comps?
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February 15th, 2019 at 10:03:27 AM permalink
As the resident expert on Slots of Fun I don't see much they could comp you for unless you really like Nathan's hot dogs and those mechanical massage chairs. It is a fun place at which to get comped alcohol while waiting for the bus. I will say, though, I've a hard time making my rent ever since they removed their bank of golden monkeys.
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February 15th, 2019 at 11:52:08 AM permalink
Quote: SiegfriedRoy

I rat holed around $200-300 each session with green chips and end up netting exactly $1300 of green chips for the weekend. I was a bit paranoid, so I made my friends start cashing my chips in at several greens at a time along with their chips and at other various casinos when we went casino hopping.

Ya, that is a bit paranoid for only $1300 in chips. I wouldn't even begin to worry at PH unless you had 5k or more in green. I would think cashing in the chips in at other locations would be scrutinized more than if you were to just cash in the $1300 all at once at PH.

p.s. I do commend the rat holing. Oftentimes it doesn't help, but when it does it's a good feeling since it's a free roll. It's a game within the game.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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