If I was playing craps, I'd be very conservative. A session of 10 bets in the rail for the passline typically lasts me 30-90 minutes (average 1 hour) and I'm either doubling or nothing my session buy-in. Trying to stretch that out to 16 hours would mean budgeting 16 sessions. At $50 betting only the passline, a truly cold run could go through $8000 in 16 sessions of 10x $50. I'd have less -EV if I bet $15 on the PL with double odds.
I prefer to mix in hardways when I play as I find the casino tends to appreciate it and I believe offers me more comps through that strategy.
EDIT: Also, are pictures going to be included in this TR? It wouldn't be a proper TR without some pics
If you play 12 hours the first day and then nothing for the next 2, should be the same as 4-4-4.
There is 'theo' and actual. They "think" they have an actual on you, which may have them overcomping your theo. Rat holing chips to me is a big plus. I walk away even or down a bit on most of my wins. I'm no expert, but I think "losing" each session helps with comps.
Just like what SOOPOO said, rat holing is a HUGE +EV on comps. I also found rat holing at a craps table the easiest. I would highly recommend playing at a busy loud table. About 2 year ago, I was on a guys trip at Planet Hollywood with 3 friends, and I played exclusively craps for 5 sessions $1000 buy-in each round, and the PH was fairly busy at every table that weekend due to March madness. I was playing around $20 pass line with full odds on 3X, 4X, 5X. All weekend, the tables were up and down with no real crazy hot or cold streak. I rat holed around $200-300 each session with green chips and end up netting exactly $1300 of green chips for the weekend. I was a bit paranoid, so I made my friends start cashing my chips in at several greens at a time along with their chips and at other various casinos when we went casino hopping. Long story short, I ended the weekend with an actual Planet Hollywood profit of $150, I ended up with a decent rating, some food comp, and my host sent me a text as I was checking out, "sorry you lost this trip, maybe next time." I sent back the text "Can you tell me how much the system is saying I'm down" She replied "Down 1100 All on craps with X avg bet X hours. Is that accurate?" I replied, "just about, see you next time."
theo is nice, but it's not everything. The casinos like to see actual losses on you.
Welcome to the forum. There is 'theo' and actual. They "think" they have an actual on you, which may have them overcomping your theo. Rat holing chips to me is a big plus. I walk away even or down a bit on most of my wins. I'm no expert, but I think "losing" each session helps with comps.
A host at the casino we visited for our son's 21st birthday was asked about some comps for a meal at the steak house. I had gambled my normal amount and won a little bit and she gave me a slip for $80. My son asked and she said that it looked like he had been winning and did not qualify for any comps. He had no history there, so I am not sure if that was the correct answer or a lazy one... At any rate, I would advise him to rat hole in the future just in case it matters in their calculations.
At another local, a player had a couple of thousand dollars in green chips in front of him. The dealers had just let a guy at the other end of the table color up and continue play (which I know is discouraged, if allowed at all). The guy next to me wanted to give his wife some money and tried to do the same thing. They refused, so she left with a whole bunch of green chips. When he left, he pocketed all of the rest of them. I know they had an idea of what he had on the rail, but they would have had a more exact number if they had done the partial color for him. I know it slows the table down but so does buying in mid-roll but they seem to allow that without question.
Anyway, I don't usually rat hole but I may start...who knows if it will make any difference in my minimal comps!
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Ya, that is a bit paranoid for only $1300 in chips. I wouldn't even begin to worry at PH unless you had 5k or more in green. I would think cashing in the chips in at other locations would be scrutinized more than if you were to just cash in the $1300 all at once at PH.Quote: SiegfriedRoy
I rat holed around $200-300 each session with green chips and end up netting exactly $1300 of green chips for the weekend. I was a bit paranoid, so I made my friends start cashing my chips in at several greens at a time along with their chips and at other various casinos when we went casino hopping.
p.s. I do commend the rat holing. Oftentimes it doesn't help, but when it does it's a good feeling since it's a free roll. It's a game within the game.