Is Sigma Derby beatable?
October 30th, 2015 at 5:42:14 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfPerhaps WOV should host a Sigma derby challenge
You just missed the annual Vimfptucky Derby at the D. Next chance in October 2016.
October 30th, 2015 at 6:01:23 PM
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The above image was taken on September 4th, 2015 by me upstairs at the D.
I have never been there when it wasn't there, but I heard they took it out and had to go see if it was still there.
It was still there.
aahigh.com
March 8th, 2016 at 1:12:32 PM
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Anthony Curtis reported the MGM one is broken and being removed. End of an era if true. First Lions Share, now this
March 8th, 2016 at 1:58:39 PM
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Can it be purchased anywhere? Has any one ever seen one for sale?
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March 8th, 2016 at 2:32:32 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingCan it be purchased anywhere? Has any one ever seen one for sale?
You should contact MGM and offer to buy it. I wager they are gonna be pretty anal about it and not want to give it up.
"Well, we are not gonna use it, but we don't want you to have it either."
I'd say $8000 would be a reasonable price. Offer them 4k first.
March 8th, 2016 at 2:38:18 PM
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Quote: CanyoneroI'd say $8000 would be a reasonable price. Offer them 4k first.
I think it could be had for less than that. Keep in mind it is broken, the things take up a lot of space, and I doubt are good money makers. That said, I would offer $1,000.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 8th, 2016 at 2:44:52 PM
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Quote: WizardI think it could be had for less than that. Keep in mind it is broken, the things take up a lot of space, and I doubt are good money makers. That said, I would offer $1,000.
You would be surprised how well those did. VSR showed an updated model at the gaming show this past year. It was a prototype but kept the classic look and feel of the old one.
If the old machines could have been updated for TITO tickets you would have seen many more. No casino wants to deal with the coin anymore.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
March 8th, 2016 at 2:49:57 PM
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I'm building a man cave and that might be the absolute best piece to have- any idea who I would contact at mgm ?
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March 8th, 2016 at 2:51:57 PM
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Did I just google right and see that last one in eBay sold for 37.5 in working condition? Is that possible?
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March 8th, 2016 at 4:34:30 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingCan it be purchased anywhere? Has any one ever seen one for sale?
Doesn't The D still have a working one? I would assume they would be interested in it, if only for the parts.
March 8th, 2016 at 4:58:53 PM
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I just played the MGM one about 2 weeks ago. It was working great and even produced a 99-1 winner that got all the players pretty excited. The MGM unit is not near as nice as the one @ the D. The under glass layout is much simpler (not as decorated). It also does not have the overhead display and lights (as pictured above). Lacking the overhead display is one reason it is somewhat hard to find @ the MGM.
March 8th, 2016 at 5:33:48 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingI'm building a man cave and that might be the absolute best piece to have- any idea who I would contact at mgm ?
No. I would just do a cold call to the director of slots. They might just throw it away so don't wait too long.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 22nd, 2016 at 8:01:51 AM
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FYI I just walked through the MGM and it is still there and seems to be working fine. Only one spot had an "out of order" sticker over the coin slot.
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March 22nd, 2016 at 1:54:28 PM
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Sorry I should have mentioned that earlier that I was bounced around so just assumed it wasn't for sale
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March 22nd, 2016 at 7:14:33 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingSorry I should have mentioned that earlier that I was bounced around so just assumed it wasn't for sale
Even if they did want to sell it the price would be high. I am guessing that machine makes them about $1800 a day when running.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
March 22nd, 2016 at 7:41:43 PM
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Yea I would be a buyer but at max 7500
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March 22nd, 2016 at 9:06:01 PM
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As Indiana Jones would say, "it belongs in a museum!" At least, in a hands-on museum where we can all play it!
March 25th, 2016 at 3:48:59 PM
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I passed through the MGM today and can confirm that Derby is still there. They moved it just outside the poker room. It is surrounded by other slots so is difficult to see from any high traffic areas.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 25th, 2016 at 7:23:52 PM
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I think the secret of the Derby is, although a machine, there is a sense of common participation while everyone faces each other.
But it's a subtle thing and is not easily captured even by similar designs. Maybe it's the racing aspect and horses.
I would like to see someone try a circular gladiator chariot race game --Ben Hurr style with casualties.
But it's a subtle thing and is not easily captured even by similar designs. Maybe it's the racing aspect and horses.
I would like to see someone try a circular gladiator chariot race game --Ben Hurr style with casualties.
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March 25th, 2016 at 8:07:58 PM
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Didn't Caesars have that back in the day?
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March 25th, 2016 at 8:32:03 PM
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Quote: rxwineI think the secret of the Derby is, although a machine, there is a sense of common participation while everyone faces each other.
I agree. Whoever designed that thing did a great job. I think some people probably like it for nostalgic reasons.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 25th, 2016 at 9:19:14 PM
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Quote: WizardI agree. Whoever designed that thing did a great job. I think some people probably like it for nostalgic reasons.
I even had fun picking the three longest shots and losing every single bet for a half hour.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
April 8th, 2016 at 8:42:32 AM
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I have never seen Sigma Derby before. But last night I was at the AC Tropicana and they were installing a machine called "Royal Derby" that looks very similar. The sign did not say when it would be opening.
April 8th, 2016 at 8:51:18 AM
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That looks awesome, going to have to take a trip down as soon as I get back from Vegas
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April 8th, 2016 at 12:25:57 PM
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Apparently, the only other place (in the USA, at least) that has it right now is Fantasy Springs in Palm Springs.
I assume it meets the legal (according to the Compact with the Cabazon Band of Mission Indians, which contols the casino) definition of "gaming device":
"a slot machine, including an electronic, electromechanical, electrical, or video device that, for consideration, permits individual play with or against that device or the participation in any electronic, electromechanical, electrical, or video system to which that device is connected; the playing of games thereon or therewith, including, but not limited to, the playing of facsimiles of games of chance or skill; the possible delivery of, or entitlement by the player to, a prize or something of value as a result of the application of an element of chance; and a method for viewing the outcome, prize won, and other information regarding the playing of games thereon or therewith."
I assume it meets the legal (according to the Compact with the Cabazon Band of Mission Indians, which contols the casino) definition of "gaming device":
"a slot machine, including an electronic, electromechanical, electrical, or video device that, for consideration, permits individual play with or against that device or the participation in any electronic, electromechanical, electrical, or video system to which that device is connected; the playing of games thereon or therewith, including, but not limited to, the playing of facsimiles of games of chance or skill; the possible delivery of, or entitlement by the player to, a prize or something of value as a result of the application of an element of chance; and a method for viewing the outcome, prize won, and other information regarding the playing of games thereon or therewith."
April 8th, 2016 at 2:32:00 PM
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Quote: Gandler
Cool. Let's see if they managed to find an attractive price point for operation, enough to keep people playing, and not drive them off.
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April 8th, 2016 at 2:37:19 PM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: Gandler
Cool. Let's see if they managed to find an attractive price point for operation, enough to keep people playing, and not drive them off.
Yeah it was roped off so I couldn't get close enough to see the paytables or anything on the screens.
(that picture is actually not mine, that I pulled off of their website after I got curious and tried to look it up, mine didn't turn out that well).
April 8th, 2016 at 3:25:23 PM
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Trop has the right demographic for that
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April 8th, 2016 at 3:56:33 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingTrop has the right demographic for that
Why do you say that? Who does it usually appeal to? I frequent the Trop quite a bit, so I am curious lol.
April 8th, 2016 at 9:12:13 PM
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Sigma derby appeals to just about every male on the planet. Look at it, it's a giant toy. To bad it's not player banked or progressive. Assuming it takes off, eventually there will be an AP opportunity. There will probably be better options available but F it, Sigma derby it is.Quote: GandlerWhy do you say that? Who does it usually appeal to? I frequent the Trop quite a bit, so I am curious lol.
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Just curious who makes this game? Are the pattons no longer valid?
Sigma, I really miss them.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 8th, 2016 at 9:28:35 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfSigma derby appeals to just about every male on the planet. Look at it, it's a giant toy. To bad it's not player banked or progressive. Assuming it takes off, eventually there will be an AP opportunity. There will probably be better options available but F it, Sigma derby it is.
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Just curious who makes this game? Are the pattons no longer valid?
Sigma, I really miss them.
if you can drink large quantities of beer, then sigma derby is definitely +ev
get second you pig
April 8th, 2016 at 9:38:56 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingDidn't Caesars have that back in the day?
I remember that Caesars had a similar version with chariots, cant remember if it was the same size as Sigma, my memory is telling me it was a smaller machine, but hey I was 21 and loaded on the booze. This had to have been in 1994ish.
April 8th, 2016 at 9:39:09 PM
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Quote: ontariodealerif you can drink large quantities of beer, then sigma derby is definitely +ev
Where's NASCAR derby? That would be fun especially if they can make the cars crash and switch lanes.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 8th, 2016 at 9:39:09 PM
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Quote: ontariodealerif you can drink large quantities of beer, then sigma derby is definitely +ev
Where's NASCAR derby? That would be fun especially if they can make the cars crash and switch lanes.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 9th, 2016 at 7:34:44 AM
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Quote: AxelWolf
Just curious who makes this game? Are the pattons no longer valid?
Sigma, I really miss them.
Any patent from Sigma Derby is long gone and expired. Don't be surprised if you see a similar machine later this year.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
April 9th, 2016 at 10:33:15 AM
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I knew I saw chariots - thanks for confirming and yes it would have been 93-96 that I remember seeing it first time at Caesars,
As far as Demo
I would say at Wynn it wouldn't get as much play or at like the Atlantic club. I think that game is more 21-50 male
And to be honest probably more of a low roller game I don't see Asians playing it for any length of time
I'd say most people who play that have a gaming budget of 200-1500 per trip
But those are just my market research assumptions
As far as Demo
I would say at Wynn it wouldn't get as much play or at like the Atlantic club. I think that game is more 21-50 male
And to be honest probably more of a low roller game I don't see Asians playing it for any length of time
I'd say most people who play that have a gaming budget of 200-1500 per trip
But those are just my market research assumptions
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April 9th, 2016 at 11:25:32 AM
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Looks like it's called Sega Royal Ascot Derby. In googling, I saw one for sale for 20,000 euros.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:08:25 PM
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LET'S HOPE!!Quote: DRichAny patent from Sigma Derby is long gone and expired. Don't be surprised if you see a similar machine later this year.
However I doubt we will get anything I'm interested in.
FYI I love the sounds sigma made when you got dealt a pair or better or hit 4oak+ also loved the buttons and cards.
I love Sigma.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 9th, 2016 at 1:11:56 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingI knew I saw chariots - thanks for confirming and yes it would have been 93-96 that I remember seeing it first time at Caesars,
As far as Demo
I would say at Wynn it wouldn't get as much play or at like the Atlantic club. I think that game is more 21-50 male
And to be honest probably more of a low roller game I don't see Asians playing it for any length of time
I'd say most people who play that have a gaming budget of 200-1500 per trip
But those are just my market research assumptions
It's hard to calculate the value of certain things. Kind of like the Bellagio fountains can bring people into that area - and once in the area, they may go into a nearby casino. As opposed to places on the Strip where there is nothing to stop people outside.
Some low roller may be playing the Derby, not go home as soon and the spouse is losing more money on something else because of the extra time spent there.
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April 9th, 2016 at 1:57:15 PM
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Quote: rxwineIt's hard to calculate the value of certain things. Kind of like the Bellagio fountains can bring people into that area - and once in the area, they may go into a nearby casino. As opposed to places on the Strip where there is nothing to stop people outside.
Some low roller may be playing the Derby, not go home as soon and the spouse is losing more money on something else because of the extra time spent there.
Yeah, it's somewhat a loss leader in Vegas. The average bet is maybe $1-2 a race? That's only $6-12/hr per spot for the house with the rough D hold of 20%. But it's a big deal if it let's the spouse blow another $100+/hr max betting penny slots and the like. When I come across it, it looks like people mostly looking to get drunk without spending a bundle.
April 9th, 2016 at 2:18:03 PM
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The new one is faster and no coins, I actually think it will do well. Hopefully they have lots more betting options.
I still think they need to have different themes. NASCAR, Dogs, Dirt bikes, etc etc depending on the location.
NYC taxicabs ☻
I still think they need to have different themes. NASCAR, Dogs, Dirt bikes, etc etc depending on the location.
NYC taxicabs ☻
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 9th, 2016 at 2:29:06 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI still think they need to have different themes. NASCAR, Dogs, Dirt bikes, etc etc depending on the location.
NYC taxicabs ☻
Turtles and hares every other lane. The turtles would run slow but steady, the hares would sprint, then stop, then sprint.
I think if you modified the starting gate, different things could pop up and race, giving you a multitude of possibilities.
(Sorry, I only think of this now when it's already been redeveloped)
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April 9th, 2016 at 4:09:27 PM
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Here is a recent picture of the MGM Derby.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 11th, 2016 at 8:22:26 PM
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some needs to dump the roms!
April 13th, 2016 at 5:35:22 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfThe new one is faster and no coins, I actually think it will do well. Hopefully they have lots more betting options.
I still think they need to have different themes. NASCAR, Dogs, Dirt bikes, etc etc depending on the location.
NYC taxicabs ☻
Totally agree on the themes! This would allow the game to fit into so many places.
January 22nd, 2017 at 1:21:15 AM
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Sigma Derby has its own Facebook page, and from the looks of it, people are playing daily and always betting the 200-1. In 2008, someone wrote a fantastic blog story about how elusive the 200-1 win was. Now, thanks to social media, I hear about people hitting it on a weekly basis. I wonder if the programmers took into account that there would be a time when everyone is always betting the 200-1. I assume that has to have been a consideration!
January 11th, 2018 at 5:35:35 PM
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Looks like Konami is interested in entering this market.
https://www.cdcgamingreports.com/konamis-old-school-horse-racing-game-rides-new-technology-in-test-run/
https://www.cdcgamingreports.com/konamis-old-school-horse-racing-game-rides-new-technology-in-test-run/
January 11th, 2018 at 6:09:30 PM
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My thread is almost turning 8! My oldest daughter isn't 7 yet.
Anyway, before I go to Vegas, I always hope that Sigma Derby is still there. Based on that facebook group, it looks like MGM and D still has it. Good news!
And, that new game looks cool. Hopefully it's still around in June too.
Anyway, before I go to Vegas, I always hope that Sigma Derby is still there. Based on that facebook group, it looks like MGM and D still has it. Good news!
And, that new game looks cool. Hopefully it's still around in June too.
January 11th, 2018 at 6:21:15 PM
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Is the Konami game still at Venetian? And the article says it's at MGM Grand too. So Konami and Sigma Derby are both at MGM?
