FinsRule
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January 31st, 2010 at 8:22:27 AM permalink
I figure with the old technology used, Sigma Derby must be beatable.

Maybe there is a certain number of odds combinations, and whenever that odds combination comes up, the same horses come in.

Thoughts?
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January 31st, 2010 at 11:17:46 AM permalink
I once designed a similar game for an Internet casino. The way I did it was to randomly determine a power rating for each horse, and then set the odds commensurately, with the probability of winning proportional to the power rating. The probability of coming in second or third was a bit more complicated. I imagine Sigma did the same thing, or something similar. If there is a weakness, it would be in a random number generator with a short cycle. My best guess is that even given its age, it is good enough for the purpose it was designed for. If anyone feels differently, better hit it while you can, there are very few left. I just know of the one at the MGM.
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DJTeddyBear
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January 31st, 2010 at 2:04:26 PM permalink
Man, Wiz! You've got articles on just about EVERYTHING.

I didn't know what you were talking about, so I searched the your site and found this: http://wizardofodds.com/derby

I also looked this up on Wikepedia. Here's their page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_Derby


After reading these articles. I remembered seeing one of these at Showboat A.C. back in the early '90s.

But I saw an electronic version of this at Mohegan Sun this past winter. I almost walked past it. It looked a little like the Speed Roulette setup where there were 10 or 12 betting positions in an oval surrounding 2 large back-to-back monitors where the race took place. I wish I would have thought to take a picture. A race took about 30 seconds, followed by 60 seconds to bet on the next race.

It was the silliest thing I ever saw. But I was humored by the fact that it was set up right outside the sports book. After reading the Wiz's page, I guess that's kinda normal!
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January 31st, 2010 at 3:27:20 PM permalink
The Hollywood casino in Tunica, Mississippi used to have one of these crazy machines a long time ago, back when it first opened.

We spent the night in the hotel there once and all night long I kept hearing this clunkety-clunkety-clunkety sound. I thought it was a noisy air conditioner and didn't get any rest at all.

The next morning we noticed that our hotel room window faced the casino and was pretty much in a straight line with this horse-racing machine. The noise that kept me awake was the horses "running" around the track. We never stayed at that hotel again.

The machine was still in operation up until just a few years ago.
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January 31st, 2010 at 11:09:15 PM permalink
I loved that game and saw it in Vegas once; bet on it and lost, but what a fun way to gamble.
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February 1st, 2010 at 9:11:10 AM permalink
These are popular in Quebec casinos (last saw them in Lac Leamy a month ago and in Montreal 3 months ago), but they are not the Sigma brand. I believe they are called "Royal Ascot" and are manufactured by Sega. They are also quite old. Same $0.25 min bet to play, house edge unknown, has around 20 seats (has theatre like seating so every one can see the action), and they are almost always crowded.
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February 1st, 2010 at 12:30:44 PM permalink
I think the Derby game has a small but loyal following. However, given its size, slow rate of play, and small denomination, I could picture a corporate bean counter say that they don't pull their weight on a square foot basis. I've seen fancier versions of horse racing games at the World Gaming Expo. In Monte Carlo I saw a very fancy one with a big screen, and seats for about 30 players.
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February 19th, 2010 at 4:19:17 PM permalink
they also have on in south lake tahoe at the mont blue casino
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June 29th, 2010 at 7:58:09 PM permalink
I played a version of this game at the Luxor back in 93-94. It had Nile boats instead of horses. Must have spent 4 hours dropping in a few quarters every race, getting free drinks regularly. Started off by myself with a few strangers and several hours later about 10-12 of us were all new (very tipsy) friends. On top of it all, I probably won $75-100, because I was having good luck hitting the longshots.

I looked for this game when I was back in Vegas in 2008, but couldn't find it. Never have seen it here in St. Louis or in Tunica either. This is the kind of game my wife (not much of a gambler) would enjoy. I'll have to look for it the next time we hit Vegas.
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June 29th, 2010 at 8:10:04 PM permalink
As far as I know, the only one left in Vegas is at the MGM, near the sports book. It seems to be well played. Yesterday, on a slow Monday afternoon, there were about six players on it.
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