New Games I've Seen

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Can anyone please identify if this 5 Card Poker is related to any known existing game? It seems like Oasis Poker but it says you can draw two cards...
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harris,

Is this a 6D game?

Dog Hand
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Can anyone please identify if this 5 Card Poker is related to any known existing game? It seems like Oasis Poker but it says you can draw two cards...
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Looks like Caribbean draw, with the exception of AK vs 88 to qualify.
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Can anyone please identify if this 5 Card Poker is related to any known existing game? It seems like Oasis Poker but it says you can draw two cards...
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Looks like Caribbean draw, with the exception of AK vs 88 to qualify.
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I didn't see a 5 Card Poker paytable for the BET wager. They mention that a Flush pays 5X if the dealer qualifies. Do you know of a paytable?
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5 Card Poker, there is also an added option of exchanging a maximum of 2 cards each for the price of an Ante bet. You perform this exchange if you think your cards can be in a better sequence by exchanging two cards. You also forfeit the jackpot bonus when doing an exchange.

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I saw an interesting dice-based ETG game which you can see here. It's vaguely like Sic Bo - but six dice are rolled and each randomly gets a color.
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I saw an interesting dice-based ETG game which you can see here. It's vaguely like Sic Bo - but six dice are rolled and each randomly gets a color.
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I was at Firekeepers in Battle Creek, MI a few days ago and saw this game. I didn't play it and didn't see anybody playing it while I was there. It had a $3 min bet.
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I mostly play online casino and the one that i liked most .. is red door roulette.

it's a show type game.
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I mostly play online casino and the one that i liked most .. is red door roulette.

it's a show type game.
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That game involves a slot reel so I can't figure out the RTP, but fortunately I can figure out the RTP by reading the listed RTP online which is 97.30% - same as regular roulette. I have seen many companies make online variations of this idea (roulette with multipliers). I think that mixing table games with random and opaque slot-based elements like reels are okay online but I wouldn't like to play a game like that in real life because the RTP and strategy wouldn't be clear to me.
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Correct me if I am wrong. IRL casino has lesser RTP than online casinos.
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Can anyone please identify if this 5 Card Poker is related to any known existing game? It seems like Oasis Poker but it says you can draw two cards...
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I think they mean AKxxx otherwise it would have just said “Kings or better”

Isn’t A/K the qualifier in Caribbean Stud Poker? I assume it’s based on that
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Slightly off-topic, but this weekend I made a database of all the "tables games" (backgammon variants) that I found from around the world, linked here. This was inspired by my previous database of checkers (draughts) varieties from around the world.

I have an even cooler database that I will share in a post later today... get mildly excited
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Just read about Foxwoods in the news while doing research for my upcoming Table Games-related project.

Good news, the game Double Hook Poker still exists. Additionally, Chase The Flush is coming to the East Coast.

But there is a new game which I haven't seen anywhere. At G2E I saw the game Party Pair and made a demo of it when I got home to New York City. I emailed the creator but he never got back to me so I completely forgot about it, and assumed it was never placed anywhere. Well, I was wrong :D I am not allowed to gamble at Foxwoods (work conflict) but maybe someone here will try out the game :)
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Just read about Foxwoods in the news while doing research for my upcoming Table Games-related project.

Good news, the game Double Hook Poker still exists. Additionally, Chase The Flush is coming to the East Coast.

But there is a new game which I haven't seen anywhere. At G2E I saw the game Party Pair and made a demo of it when I got home to New York City. I emailed the creator but he never got back to me so I completely forgot about it, and assumed it was never placed anywhere. Well, I was wrong :D I am not allowed to gamble at Foxwoods (work conflict) but maybe someone here will try out the game :)
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Have you looked at strategy for party pairs at all? Curious on the strategy on the raise decision, and what the house edge might be...?
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Just read about Foxwoods in the news while doing research for my upcoming Table Games-related project.

Good news, the game Double Hook Poker still exists. Additionally, Chase The Flush is coming to the East Coast.

But there is a new game which I haven't seen anywhere. At G2E I saw the game Party Pair and made a demo of it when I got home to New York City. I emailed the creator but he never got back to me so I completely forgot about it, and assumed it was never placed anywhere. Well, I was wrong :D I am not allowed to gamble at Foxwoods (work conflict) but maybe someone here will try out the game :)
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Have you looked at strategy for party pairs at all? Curious on the strategy on the raise decision, and what the house edge might be...?
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Wow, the analysis of Party Pair is surprisingly complicated.

Heads up against the dealer your advantage depend on whether your cards are higher or lower than one or all of the dealers cards and whether you have cards of matching rank.

The real complication comes when there are multiple players. Then you must look at the other player's (faceup) cards and calculate the number of outs you have for creating a pair versus the number of outs the dealer has.

Here an illustrative hand:

You: KQ
Player2: KK
Player 3: QQ
Dealer:64

You have only 2 outs to make a high pair, and the dealer has 6 outs to make a low pair. You are at a large disadvantage. FOLD, I think.
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Just read about Foxwoods in the news while doing research for my upcoming Table Games-related project.

Good news, the game Double Hook Poker still exists. Additionally, Chase The Flush is coming to the East Coast.

But there is a new game which I haven't seen anywhere. At G2E I saw the game Party Pair and made a demo of it when I got home to New York City. I emailed the creator but he never got back to me so I completely forgot about it, and assumed it was never placed anywhere. Well, I was wrong :D I am not allowed to gamble at Foxwoods (work conflict) but maybe someone here will try out the game :)
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Have you looked at strategy for party pairs at all? Curious on the strategy on the raise decision, and what the house edge might be...?
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Wow, the analysis of Party Pair is surprisingly complicated.

Heads up against the dealer your advantage depend on whether your cards are higher or lower than one or all of the dealers cards and whether you have cards of matching rank.

The real complication comes when there are multiple players. Then you must look at the other player's (faceup) cards and calculate the number of outs you have for creating a pair versus the number of outs the dealer has.

Here an illustrative hand:

You: KQ
Player2: KK
Player 3: QQ
Dealer:64

You have only 2 outs to make a high pair, and the dealer has 6 outs to make a low pair. You are at a large disadvantage. FOLD, I think.
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What I can't understand is why you would ever want to raise the 3x (or fold) for that matter. If you get paid 3:1 if you get a pair on your first two cards, the rest of your hand is going to have a negative expectation. I can't see why you would want to put more money into that, knowing that if it comes down to the last card you are at a severe disadvantage (push if your last card beats dealers, otherwise lose). Seems like you would always bet 1x here...
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Mini Ultimate Texas Hold’Em will debut at Talking Stick Resort in Arizona in September
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Fast Action Hold'Em is another rare L&W game that I only have found to exist at a single casino in BC. Notably, the game seems to have existed for over 15 years (it was in AC at some point) but there is not a Wizard of Odds article about it. I wonder how games can slip under our radar like that. Well, it won't happen anymore now that I'm in the casino math scene.
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Yet somehow this super complex game is still around.... don't expect this game to appear on my website until 2028-2029 :D
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Yet somehow this super complex game is still around.... don't expect this game to appear on my website until 2028-2029 :D
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Fast Action Hold'em
I've been thinking about this game and trying to understand the implications for the assymetries between rules for the dealer and for the player.

1. There is only one round of betting: the original wager.

2. Hands are dealt from a shoe of at least 6 decks. Players and dealer all are dealt 4 cards.

3. Dealer and players must all select 2 cards to play and 2 cards to discard with these exceptions:
a) If a player has been dealt a 4oak they turn their hand over and are paid off 5:1. If Dealer has a 4oak, he turns his hand over and the round is ended with dealer winning.
b) With a very good 4 card hand the player may choose to SPLIT his 4 cards into two 2-card hands and put forward another ante/original wager for the 2nd hand.
c) Given a very weak hand, player may choose to SURRENDER and retain 1/2 of his original wager.

4) Then dealer turns over 5 community cards and makes the best 5 -card poker hand from his 2 cards and 5 community cards. he then compares his hand with the best 5 card hand that player can make. If dealer has the better hand, player loses. If player has the better hand, he wins. If the player 5-card hand COPYS the dealer hand then dealer wins. That is the only advantage that dealer has.

But it is a significant advantage.

1) If the best 5 card hand is the 5 common cards then dealer wins.
2) When discarding 2 cards from their original 4 cards, the dealer and players will all often choose to retain high cards such as an Ace and/or a King. Similar holdings in their retained (2) hole cards will sometimes lead to dealer and player having the same 'best' 5-card poker hand. Because the two retained cards are "best 2 of 4" this tends to increase the frequency with which the player's 5-card hand (using community cards + hole cards) will be a copy of the dealer's 5-card hand.

The dealer's advantage (Dealer Wins Ties) must more than offset the player's advantages (the 5:1 payout for a 4oak on the original 4 cards; the ability to split his 4 cards and the ability to surrender after seeing his 4 cards thus retaining 1/2 of his original wager) to create a House Edge.

Some interesting concepts. And a lot of novel game mathematics is needed to analyze the probabilities.
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Yet somehow this super complex game is still around.... don't expect this game to appear on my website until 2028-2029 :D
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Fast Action Hold'em
I've been thinking about this game and trying to understand the implications for the assymetries between rules for the dealer and for the player.

1. There is only one round of betting: the original wager.

2. Hands are dealt from a shoe of at least 6 decks. Players and dealer all are dealt 4 cards.

3. Dealer and players must all select 2 cards to play and 2 cards to discard with these exceptions:
a) If a player has been dealt a 4oak they turn their hand over and are paid off 5:1. If Dealer has a 4oak, he turns his hand over and the round is ended with dealer winning.
b) With a very good 4 card hand the player may choose to SPLIT his 4 cards into two 2-card hands and put forward another ante/original wager for the 2nd hand.
c) Given a very weak hand, player may choose to SURRENDER and retain 1/2 of his original wager.

4) Then dealer turns over 5 community cards and makes the best 5 -card poker hand from his 2 cards and 5 community cards. he then compares his hand with the best 5 card hand that player can make. If dealer has the better hand, player loses. If player has the better hand, he wins. If the player 5-card hand COPYS the dealer hand then dealer wins. That is the only advantage that dealer has.

But it is a significant advantage.

1) If the best 5 card hand is the 5 common cards then dealer wins.
2) When discarding 2 cards from their original 4 cards, the dealer and players will all often choose to retain high cards such as an Ace and/or a King. Similar holdings in their retained (2) hole cards will sometimes lead to dealer and player having the same 'best' 5-card poker hand. Because the two retained cards are "best 2 of 4" this tends to increase the frequency with which the player's 5-card hand (using community cards + hole cards) will be a copy of the dealer's 5-card hand.

The dealer's advantage (Dealer Wins Ties) must more than offset the player's advantages (the 5:1 payout for a 4oak on the original 4 cards; the ability to split his 4 cards and the ability to surrender after seeing his 4 cards thus retaining 1/2 of his original wager) to create a House Edge.

Some interesting concepts. And a lot of novel game mathematics is needed to analyze the probabilities.
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If it could be played local to me I'd give it a go! It seems to me that the best strategy would be to use your counting to identify situations where the house way of setting the hand is inferior. So if I bet big when it's low cards remaining, the dealer's A-K is less likely to pair up, and if I play high cards the dealer is less likely to copy. And my split 2 pairs are more likely to hold up if the dealer's high cards don't pair up. That's just a casual hypothesis, I've done no work on the game.

Collusion will help too, especially if you can game the table config by adding/removing players so that the last hand begins right before the cut card comes out.
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Yet somehow this super complex game is still around.... don't expect this game to appear on my website until 2028-2029 :D
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Fast Action Hold'em
I've been thinking about this game and trying to understand the implications for the assymetries between rules for the dealer and for the player.

1. There is only one round of betting: the original wager.

2. Hands are dealt from a shoe of at least 6 decks. Players and dealer all are dealt 4 cards.

3. Dealer and players must all select 2 cards to play and 2 cards to discard with these exceptions:
a) If a player has been dealt a 4oak they turn their hand over and are paid off 5:1. If Dealer has a 4oak, he turns his hand over and the round is ended with dealer winning.
b) With a very good 4 card hand the player may choose to SPLIT his 4 cards into two 2-card hands and put forward another ante/original wager for the 2nd hand.
c) Given a very weak hand, player may choose to SURRENDER and retain 1/2 of his original wager.

4) Then dealer turns over 5 community cards and makes the best 5 -card poker hand from his 2 cards and 5 community cards. he then compares his hand with the best 5 card hand that player can make. If dealer has the better hand, player loses. If player has the better hand, he wins. If the player 5-card hand COPYS the dealer hand then dealer wins. That is the only advantage that dealer has.

But it is a significant advantage.

1) If the best 5 card hand is the 5 common cards then dealer wins.
2) When discarding 2 cards from their original 4 cards, the dealer and players will all often choose to retain high cards such as an Ace and/or a King. Similar holdings in their retained (2) hole cards will sometimes lead to dealer and player having the same 'best' 5-card poker hand. Because the two retained cards are "best 2 of 4" this tends to increase the frequency with which the player's 5-card hand (using community cards + hole cards) will be a copy of the dealer's 5-card hand.

The dealer's advantage (Dealer Wins Ties) must more than offset the player's advantages (the 5:1 payout for a 4oak on the original 4 cards; the ability to split his 4 cards and the ability to surrender after seeing his 4 cards thus retaining 1/2 of his original wager) to create a House Edge.

Some interesting concepts. And a lot of novel game mathematics is needed to analyze the probabilities.
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If it could be played local to me I'd give it a go! It seems to me that the best strategy would be to use your counting to identify situations where the house way of setting the hand is inferior. So if I bet big when it's low cards remaining, the dealer's A-K is less likely to pair up, and if I play high cards the dealer is less likely to copy. And my split 2 pairs are more likely to hold up if the dealer's high cards don't pair up. That's just a casual hypothesis, I've done no work on the game.

Collusion will help too, especially if you can game the table config by adding/removing players so that the last hand begins right before the cut card comes out.
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