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April 9th, 2024 at 7:37:52 AM permalink
Someone posted this picture on Reddit. A Roulette wheel in Caesars AC where zero supposedly came up 13 times in a row. The guy who took the picture claims it's legit and says he actually saw the last 6-7 spins happen.
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April 9th, 2024 at 8:18:31 AM permalink
Equivalent to somewhere between 16 to 17 yos in a row.
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April 9th, 2024 at 8:20:53 AM permalink
38^13 = 344,498,040,522,809,827,328 (is that quintillion, or just rigged?)
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April 9th, 2024 at 8:31:46 AM permalink
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too bad Alan isn't with us to see this post - he would really get a kick out of it

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April 9th, 2024 at 8:47:22 AM permalink
The most 0 I have ever seen happen is 4 times in a row. People like me who love to play the 0 and 00 were cheering loudly! 😀🎉
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April 9th, 2024 at 8:55:15 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

38^13 = 344,498,040,522,809,827,328 (is that quintillion, or just rigged?)
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Yeah, I think the guy that posted the picture is lying. A few people in the comments section did the math and said this occurrence is effectively impossible.

I just googled to see what the supposed record for something like this is, and the known record is "only" six times in a row for the same number to come up. There was one unconfirmed report of seven times in a row once.
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April 9th, 2024 at 11:02:44 AM permalink
There is always a third possibility - that the roulette wheel was somehow rigged.

When there is a report of something extraordinary, I think it is intellectually lazy to say "they are lying." Look at how much eyewitness evidence there is and what kind of reports there are.

And remember this: people cheat, institutions cheat. They absolutely do. And when they do they may produce results that are statistically impossible if the armchair mathematicians assume random behavior.
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April 9th, 2024 at 12:09:01 PM permalink
The most likely explanation imo is that the display board wasnít working properly. Many times they get stuck and it just keeps showing the same number. I dealt roulette and supervised it as well and saw this happen many times.
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April 9th, 2024 at 12:15:27 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

There is always a third possibility - that the roulette wheel was somehow rigged.

When there is a report of something extraordinary, I think it is intellectually lazy to say "they are lying." Look at how much eyewitness evidence there is and what kind of reports there are.

And remember this: people cheat, institutions cheat. They absolutely do. And when they do they may produce results that are statistically impossible if the armchair mathematicians assume random behavior.
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But would a company as big as Caesars cheat this blatantly? I don't think even the shadiest online casino in the deepest Cambodian jungle would rig 13 zeros in a row.
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April 9th, 2024 at 1:26:20 PM permalink
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The most likely explanation imo is that the display board wasnít working properly. Many times they get stuck and it just keeps showing the same number. I dealt roulette and supervised it as well and saw this happen many times.
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I would agree with Hunter, the sign isn't working properly.
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April 9th, 2024 at 2:39:32 PM permalink
The eyewitness not only has a photo but says he saw the last 6 or 7 spins.

Rare events do not mean impossible.

And it's strange that every mathematician says the odds are exactly the same for each spin because each spin is an independent event yet then argues 13 back to back events must be connected.

The ball has no memory! Isn't that the mantra here?

So on the 12th spin, the roulette ball should have known better? The plastic should have realized it couldn't land on zero anymore?

Let me also add that hard to realize odds happen. I have zero hopes of winning the PowerBall because the odds are millions against but yet every few weeks someone wins it.

Astronomical odds like this might happen only once but once is more than zero.
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April 9th, 2024 at 2:41:41 PM permalink
What's funny is if the report was there was the number 36 hitting 13 times in a row everybody would go, yawn, who cares. But because it's the zero, that's a big deal. Like the zero is any different than any other pocket on the wheel.
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April 9th, 2024 at 2:46:17 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

The eyewitness not only has a photo but says he saw the last 6 or 7 spins.

Rare events do not mean impossible.

And it's strange that every mathematician says the odds are exactly the same for each spin because each spin is an independent event yet then argues 13 back to back events must be connected.

The ball has no memory! Isn't that the mantra here?

So on the 12th spin, the roulette ball should have known better? The plastic should have realized it couldn't land on zero anymore?

Let me also add that hard to realize odds happen. I have zero hopes of winning the PowerBall because the odds are millions against but yet every few weeks someone wins it.

Astronomical odds like this might happen only once but once is more than zero.
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If this really happened the casino would have promoted it extensively. Casinos love publicity and have cameras.
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April 9th, 2024 at 2:55:14 PM permalink
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What's funny is if the report was there was the number 36 hitting 13 times in a row everybody would go, yawn, who cares. But because it's the zero, that's a big deal. Like the zero is any different than any other pocket on the wheel.
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Thatís not true at all. 13 consecutive spins of any single number would get the same reaction.

13 spins in the following sequence would get a yawn (even though itís the same chances of happening as 13 zeros in a row): 14, 27, 0, 22, 8, 33, 14, 25, 36, 12, 5, 17, 22.
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April 9th, 2024 at 3:11:49 PM permalink
The zero IS special. It's the value the memory of the display device gets initialized every time it powers up, or if there's an internal battery that fails, or a power spike, and so on.
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April 9th, 2024 at 3:44:35 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

The eyewitness not only has a photo but says he saw the last 6 or 7 spins.

Rare events do not mean impossible.

And it's strange that every mathematician says the odds are exactly the same for each spin because each spin is an independent event yet then argues 13 back to back events must be connected.

The ball has no memory! Isn't that the mantra here?

So on the 12th spin, the roulette ball should have known better? The plastic should have realized it couldn't land on zero anymore?

Let me also add that hard to realize odds happen. I have zero hopes of winning the PowerBall because the odds are millions against but yet every few weeks someone wins it.

Astronomical odds like this might happen only once but once is more than zero.
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Notice the first statementÖ. Saw last Ď6 or 7í. Every time I am told there have been 7 consecutive numbers spun at a roulette table, and start watching, I am so great at math Iím able to count EXACTLY how many more of the same number are spun.

You have two choices. You can believe that the board was in error, or you can believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

And to answer EBís weak attempt at joining this conversation, if it was 13 in a row of ANY number our responses would be the same.
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April 9th, 2024 at 5:23:58 PM permalink
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If this really happened the casino would have promoted it extensively. Casinos love publicity and have cameras.
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Would they? I've experienced some crazy Baccarat shoes and no pit boss ever got on the horn to have a photographer sent down to snap a pic.

Players are always discouraged from taking pictures too - has to be done discretely especially depending on the pit boss.

I don't play roulette but anyone that does - ever seen the pit boss hold up the action to have casino marketing send someone down to snap a pic?

In fact, casinos do have some pretty lame pictures in their table game advertisements, such as when Resorts World Vegas opened the blackjack pic they had was of the player losing the hand.
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April 9th, 2024 at 5:40:00 PM permalink
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What's funny is if the report was there was the number 36 hitting 13 times in a row everybody would go, yawn, who cares.
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Total bullroar and you know it.
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April 9th, 2024 at 5:55:15 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: darkoz

The eyewitness not only has a photo but says he saw the last 6 or 7 spins.

Rare events do not mean impossible.

And it's strange that every mathematician says the odds are exactly the same for each spin because each spin is an independent event yet then argues 13 back to back events must be connected.

The ball has no memory! Isn't that the mantra here?

So on the 12th spin, the roulette ball should have known better? The plastic should have realized it couldn't land on zero anymore?

Let me also add that hard to realize odds happen. I have zero hopes of winning the PowerBall because the odds are millions against but yet every few weeks someone wins it.

Astronomical odds like this might happen only once but once is more than zero.
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If this really happened the casino would have promoted it extensively. Casinos love publicity and have cameras.
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You probably are right.

More likely why it's a bad display is there isn't a crowd of people standing around. Once people passing by saw 6-7 zeroes consecutively I expect they would form a crowd waiting for each new spin

Unless it was made known it was just a malfunctioning board.
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April 9th, 2024 at 6:46:45 PM permalink
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What's funny is if the report was there was the number 36 hitting 13 times in a row everybody would go, yawn, who cares. But because it's the zero, that's a big deal. Like the zero is any different than any other pocket on the wheel.
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Thatís not true at all. 13 consecutive spins of any single number would get the same reaction.

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Nope. Zero is a magical number to most people and they pay attention when there's a bunch of them in a row. I've seen it way too many times. I've seen four sevens in a row, I've seen four 12s in a row, but four zeros in a row? The table's all of a sudden full of people betting on zero.
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April 9th, 2024 at 6:52:11 PM permalink
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You probably are right.

More likely why it's a bad display is there isn't a crowd of people standing around. Once people passing by saw 6-7 zeroes consecutively I expect they would form a crowd waiting for each new spin

Unless it was made known it was just a malfunctioning board.
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I've seen tables that are down and somebody set to display to read six or seven zeros in a row but it's fake, they did it on purpose. I did see seven zeros in a row in Vegas a long time ago before I was playing roulette, but it was both zeros, not just one zero. By the fifth one it was double-deep people at the table all betting on the zeros. They switched dealers for spin number six and he got a zero and the table went insane. They switched dealers again and another zero and people went insane again. For years I've tried to remember which casino it was and I just can't do it. It was impressive seeing all that green on the display. The pit looked like they were about to cry.
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April 9th, 2024 at 6:52:25 PM permalink
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The most 0 I have ever seen happen is 4 times in a row. People like me who love to play the 0 and 00 were cheering loudly! 😀🎉
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Not completely in a sequential row but I saw 9 8s thrown in a 13-roll by a craps player. Which if parlayed would have been an incredible win. I only made a couple hundred off of it but I'm also very much a half press or collect kind of player.
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April 10th, 2024 at 9:33:47 AM permalink
I personally saw the number 33 6 times on a European roulette wheel.
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April 10th, 2024 at 11:51:54 AM permalink
It is very rare to have that many zeros in a row in the game of roulette. I think it is neat any time it does happen. Thanks for sharing such an interesting event.
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April 10th, 2024 at 12:12:35 PM permalink
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It is very rare to have that many zeros in a row in the game of roulette. I think it is neat any time it does happen. Thanks for sharing such an interesting event.
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It never happened though.
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April 10th, 2024 at 12:35:30 PM permalink
32 reds at Roulette in a row (DarkOz, reported from 2012).
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/36532-18yos-in-a-row-revisited-an-od-created-thread/#post827224
Also, DarkOz says that the 32 REDS in a row were on a double 0 roulette table.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/36532-18yos-in-a-row-revisited-an-od-created-thread/2/#post827274

Wizard's friend Heather reported seeing the same number appear on the roulette wheel eight times in a row? Also reported dealing eight blackjacks in a row while dealing.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/33008-wizard-on-livestream/8/#post766966
April 30, 2020, Wizard Livestream:
16:15 ( Heather saw 8 Blackjacks in a row, 8 same number roulette in a row Ė she was the croupier)
17:45 (Wizard calculated the probability of 8 in a row at roulette at approximately 114,415,582,592 : 1 )

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In Wizardís April 30, 2020, Live Stream Heather claimed to have spun the ball in a way where the same number popped up 8 times [at 17:14].

From the LiveStream:

Wizard to Heather: "You said that you once saw the same number 8 times in a row?

Heather: "Yup, and I'm the one that spun the ball. And it was at a dead table. I'm sitting practicing. I'm spinning 5 in a row, 6 in a row. My floor supervisor comes over and he's like I'll bet you can't do that again. So I spin the ball and I do it again and he's like I bet you $100 you can't do it again. And I spin the ball and do it again."


During the LiveStream Wizard told Heather that the odds of doing that are 1 in 114,415,582,592.
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About two decades ago, I experienced multiple blackjacks in a row right out the gate after a shuffle - memorable mostly because I played all of them at table limit (I had not played anywhere near all hands that session at table limit). What had happened was I was having this sort of argument with the dealer over how bad the shoes were - it didn't matter what the count was or wasn't, or what I tracked, I was losing most every hand. The dealer didn't realize I was counting or tracking obviously, dealers don't care about that sort of thing not their job they just deal, and was giving me the standard, "Come on, things could turn around."

Just for the h. of it, I told him, all right then, let's see, and I put up table limit after the shuffle, and won four in a row, four blackjacks. It was rather shocking, actually. After four I actually let off on the gas, but won the next couple too (no blackjacks, just won). Th old adage of rather be lucky than good, sometimes applies.
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April 10th, 2024 at 12:51:52 PM permalink
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32 reds at Roulette in a row (DarkOz, reported from 2012).
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/36532-18yos-in-a-row-revisited-an-od-created-thread/#post827224
Also, DarkOz says that the 32 REDS in a row were on a double 0 roulette table.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/36532-18yos-in-a-row-revisited-an-od-created-thread/2/#post827274

Wizard's friend Heather reported seeing the same number appear on the roulette wheel eight times in a row? Also reported dealing eight blackjacks in a row while dealing.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/33008-wizard-on-livestream/36/
April 30, 2020, Wizard Livestream:
16:15 ( Heather saw 8 Blackjacks in a row, 8 same number roulette in a row Ė she was the croupier)
17:45 (Wizard calculated the probability of 8 in a row at roulette at approximately 114,415,582,592 : 1 )

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/33008-wizard-on-livestream/7/#post765328

About two decades ago, I experienced multiple blackjacks in a row right out the gate after a shuffle - memorable mostly because I played all of them at table limit (I had not played anywhere near all hands that session at table limit).
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Yeah but 32 reds in a row, rare enough as it is, still is much more plausible odds wise than 13 of the exact same number.
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April 10th, 2024 at 1:02:32 PM permalink
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Wizard's friend Heather reported seeing the same number appear on the roulette wheel eight times in a row?
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I just watched that clip. There was no one at the table playing, and it sounds like she was actually trying to hit the same number over and over again. Was the wheel actually spinning at playing speed, or was it stationary? Did she actually spin the ball at full force, or was she just messing around and just casually twirling it halfway around the wheel each time?

Six in a row seems to come up every once in a while, so 7-8 in a row is probably plausible once in a great while, but the difference between 8 in a row and 13 in a row is exponential.
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April 10th, 2024 at 1:56:22 PM permalink
I just have a feeling that the table would have been shut down before it got that far. Any supervisor is going to start wondering if something's wrong with the wheel.
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April 10th, 2024 at 2:07:41 PM permalink
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I just have a feeling that the table would have been shut down before it got that far. Any supervisor is going to start wondering if something's wrong with the wheel.
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Yep. Like I said I saw seven in a row and they changed the dealers twice at the end and if it had gone on any farther they would have closed the table because they were sweating bullets. The stacks of chips were so high on the zeros you couldn't see them. There had to be 20 people betting.
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April 10th, 2024 at 2:20:59 PM permalink
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Wizard's friend Heather reported seeing the same number appear on the roulette wheel eight times in a row?
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I just watched that clip. There was no one at the table playing, and it sounds like she was actually trying to hit the same number over and over again. Was the wheel actually spinning at playing speed, or was it stationary? Did she actually spin the ball at full force, or was she just messing around and just casually twirling it halfway around the wheel each time?

Six in a row seems to come up every once in a while, so 7-8 in a row is probably plausible once in a great while, but the difference between 8 in a row and 13 in a row is exponential.
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The point there with Heather's experience is that more than just luck was involved.

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