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Pacman
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August 30th, 2013 at 8:43:32 PM permalink
SHFL entertainment a few weeks ago acquired Double Draw Poker. The game is available at casinos in Connecticut, Missouri, Delaware and Mississippi, and it is coming soon to New Jersey, Florida and Nevada. It will be one of our featured products next month at G2E in Las Vegas, and the inventor will be on hand to answer any questions.
tringlomane
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August 30th, 2013 at 9:07:25 PM permalink
Quote: Pacman

SHFL entertainment a few weeks ago acquired Double Draw Poker. The game is available at casinos in Connecticut, Missouri, Delaware and Mississippi, and it is coming soon to New Jersey, Florida and Nevada. It will be one of our featured products next month at G2E in Las Vegas, and the inventor will be on hand to answer any questions.



Missouri?? Where?? :D

And now I might actually have to do the 3 to a SF math unless others would offer to freely share it. *coughs*


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But what, pray tell, does McDemon think of the game?



"bullocks", or something like that.
Paradigm
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August 31st, 2013 at 2:44:01 PM permalink
What is the hit rate of getting two pair or better?

I would be interested to see the hand probability distribution if a member of the "Forum Math Trust" is up for it....you smart ones know who you are :-).
Havok10
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February 10th, 2014 at 7:36:10 AM permalink
Since this game obviously is spreading and seems to have sticking power... Any chance of a full analysis on Wizard Of Odds?
tringlomane
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February 10th, 2014 at 9:24:37 AM permalink
Quote: Havok10

Since this game obviously is spreading and seems to have sticking power... Any chance of a full analysis on Wizard Of Odds?



I would definitely be interested in seeing this. And I did find it in Missouri in Boonville of all places, meh. Didn't really have time to play though, but I was tempted.
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February 10th, 2014 at 10:22:17 AM permalink
I played this game last week in demo form, and got a couple of hints, but no overall strategy. They said 97% of hands mathematically qualify for the first (3 card draw) bet, and 90% of hands are worth the second (1 card) draw. The win rate went unstated. I also heard that it took over a year to do the math because the permutations were so large. I thought it was fun, but I agree that I would like to see proper strategy (which will be a huge ask for anyone on here) before I bet large amounts of money. By my estimation during my play, less than 80% of dealt hands were worth the first draw, and less than 50% were worth betting the second draw, so I found the demonstrator's percentages high (in my very limited experience). Even including 2 jokers, you have to start with a pair, 3 to a flush, or 3 to a straight to even consider staying in; yes, every hand will by definition have 2 to a flush to start, and maybe they're including those in the 97%, but then you need 3 of the next 4 to also be that suit; seems unlikely. I definitely did not find a minimum of 2 pair potential with 1 card to go in 90% of my hands and folded a lot at that point.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
jopke
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February 10th, 2014 at 7:15:08 PM permalink
Quote: Havok10

Since this game obviously is spreading and seems to have sticking power... Any chance of a full analysis on Wizard Of Odds?



Is it spreading? I've only seen it at Mohegan Sun, where else is it?
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February 10th, 2014 at 10:23:03 PM permalink
Quote: jopke

Is it spreading? I've only seen it at Mohegan Sun, where else is it?



Quote: Pacman

SHFL entertainment a few weeks ago acquired Double Draw Poker. The game is available at casinos in Connecticut, Missouri, Delaware and Mississippi, and it is coming soon to New Jersey, Florida and Nevada. It will be one of our featured products next month at G2E in Las Vegas, and the inventor will be on hand to answer any questions.



It is definitely now in Florida at the Seminole Hard Rock casinos. I talked to the pit boss down there last month, and they keep at least one table open 24 hrs; can't recall whether he said they have 2 or 3. $5 minimum.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
tringlomane
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February 11th, 2014 at 12:09:13 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I played this game last week in demo form, and got a couple of hints, but no overall strategy. They said 97% of hands mathematically qualify for the first (3 card draw) bet, and 90% of hands are worth the second (1 card) draw. The win rate went unstated. I also heard that it took over a year to do the math because the permutations were so large. I thought it was fun, but I agree that I would like to see proper strategy (which will be a huge ask for anyone on here) before I bet large amounts of money. By my estimation during my play, less than 80% of dealt hands were worth the first draw, and less than 50% were worth betting the second draw, so I found the demonstrator's percentages high (in my very limited experience). Even including 2 jokers, you have to start with a pair, 3 to a flush, or 3 to a straight to even consider staying in; yes, every hand will by definition have 2 to a flush to start, and maybe they're including those in the 97%, but then you need 3 of the next 4 to also be that suit; seems unlikely. I definitely did not find a minimum of 2 pair potential with 1 card to go in 90% of my hands and folded a lot at that point.



3 to a straight is strong enough? Really? I'd be surprised. Even surprised with 3 to a regular flush. And if true, people definitely play this game suboptimally! I proved that any pair was worth seeing til the end in a earlier thread. That alone makes this a rough game, imo.
wrxrob
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February 17th, 2014 at 8:18:00 PM permalink
Dover Downs in Delaware has it. I tried it last year when it first came out, and went bust quickly on my $100. Even on the busiest nights, I've never seen the minimum higher than $5

The other night, I took note of a few players' chip stacks when visiting that casino. I returned an hour later to find the players that still remained had smaller size chip stacks.

Not much else to report from Delaware, other than I'm somewhat afraid to play this game without any proper strategy.

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