Double Draw Poker
These are the two paytables approved in Washington State, where I grabbed this data. If the straight is 1 to 1, then it's even worse than the second set of numbers here, which already has a house edge of 7.4%! Horrible for a game where people are likely making errors.
http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/activities/game-rules/double-draw-poker.pdf
Five Aces 500 500
Natural Royal Flush 100 100
Wlid Royal Flush 50 50
Straight Flush 50 50
4 of a Kind 20 20
Full House 5 5
Flush 3 3
Straight 2 2
3 of a Kind 1 Push
Two Pair Push Push
House Edge 3.37% 7.40%
Quote: IbeatyouracesCorrect. Two pair and trips are a push based on the bonus paytable. The table was quite desolate today also.
Good for gamblers not wanting to play a game with 7.4% edge and an unclear strategy! Table 1 is okay...but 2 is too much. They should have cut one of the higher payouts down instead, imo.
Quote: tringlomaneOh jeez stay away then.
These are the two paytables approved in Washington State, where I grabbed this data. If the straight is 1 to 1, then it's even worse than the second set of numbers here, which already has a house edge of 7.4%! Horrible for a game where people are likely making errors.
http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/activities/game-rules/double-draw-poker.pdf
Five Aces 500 500
Natural Royal Flush 100 100
Wlid Royal Flush 50 50
Straight Flush 50 50
4 of a Kind 20 20
Full House 5 5
Flush 3 3
Straight 2 2
3 of a Kind 1 Push
Two Pair Push Push
House Edge 3.37% 7.40%
I did a full CA analysis of this game a while back. I got a HE of 3.915% with the first pay table. My software also played about 98% of hands, which is different than the 97% quoted earlier, so maybe it is a little off. It IS generally correct to play 3 to a SF instead of folding. The strategy can get very complicated though.
Quote: jopkeQuote: tringlomaneOh jeez stay away then.
These are the two paytables approved in Washington State, where I grabbed this data. If the straight is 1 to 1, then it's even worse than the second set of numbers here, which already has a house edge of 7.4%! Horrible for a game where people are likely making errors.
http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/activities/game-rules/double-draw-poker.pdf
Five Aces 500 500
Natural Royal Flush 100 100
Wlid Royal Flush 50 50
Straight Flush 50 50
4 of a Kind 20 20
Full House 5 5
Flush 3 3
Straight 2 2
3 of a Kind 1 Push
Two Pair Push Push
House Edge 3.37% 7.40%
I did a full CA analysis of this game a while back. I got a HE of 3.915% with the first pay table. My software also played about 98% of hands, which is different than the 97% quoted earlier, so maybe it is a little off. It IS generally correct to play 3 to a SF instead of folding. The strategy can get very complicated though.
Thanks, jobke! That's all good to know.
If you're sitting at a table with say.. 2 other people. And you can see the other peoples cards.. Wouldn't that slide the advantage in the players favor? Because you have knowledge of 10-16 other cards in the deck. You'd be able to know, with greater knowledge, your chances of hitting anything.
Let me know what you think!
Thanks.
A simpler strategy could give up a lot while still being quite complex. I don't know any published information on this.
The fact that you can make money, and the game itself is a blast to play, makes this one of my favorite games when I make the trip to Biloxi.
Quote: uwf9990Yeah that's what I was thinking. It would definitely help with your EV of your hands and it would make your decisions easier. This game has been pulled from multiple casinos, and I think that might be one of the reasons.. If you have 3 people working together, I think you can make money at the game. There's only one of these tables in Biloxi and I hit for $1200 a couple months back by playing with 1 other person. The dealer didn't really mind us sharing our hand info because we started playing nickels on the board for her.
The fact that you can make money, and the game itself is a blast to play, makes this one of my favorite games when I make the trip to Biloxi.
I love this game, too. I'd like to know where it is in Biloxi; I didn't see it, but I only got to a couple of casinos last October. Thanks!
Quote: beachbumbabsI'd like to know where it is in Biloxi
They have it at Treasure Bay :)
The only place I’ve seen it otherwise a single table at the Seminole Hard Rock Hollywood casino - it wasn’t that popular.
I wonder if this game is going extinct - does anyone have any insight?
There used to be 4 tables at Seminole Hard Rock Hollywood but when I was there in November, yes, it was down to one table. Disturbing, for someone like me who is a big fan of the game. Vegas doesn't have it.
Thanks for the information - I just saw this comment on Instagram and figured that someone wouldn't say that if they didn't have a reason to believe it. I don't want to reveal this stranger's personal information but I'll reply asking where she heard that.
Do you know if the "Atlantic City Pay Table" is used anywhere (seen in the Wizard of Odds article)? I assume that that pay table must have gone extinct for its extremely high house edge. Even the regular game has a high house edge, especially considering how complex the optimal strategy is.
Regardless, I think it's a cool idea for a game, maybe it should be revised with a different pay table to regain popularity. I just never played it... I almost did in Florida but the two old women playing warned me against it, and said it was an expensive game. I have a near optimal strategy printed out on paper but I don't think that I will be playing it when I go to Florida next week :)
I have never seen the AC paytable used anywhere. But, it's been a long time since I've seen this game anywhere other than Mohegan and Hard Rock Hollywood. I'm hoping when the Hard Rock opens in Vegas they'll try it out.
It's a fun game because of the complicated strategy and all the decision making. And the hit rate is high enough. But, much of the return is in the Straight Flush; if you don't hit them, it's very hard to win. I once went 0-for-22 SF draws, which are typically 8-1 to 15-1 to hit. Another time I went 3 for 7. Hit 5 Aces once (for $50k at the Hard Rock) and I'd really like to hit another before the game goes extinct!
