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February 6th, 2024 at 11:34:17 AM permalink
Here is a list of some of my favorite props year after year.

Before getting to that, the usual disclaimer. The fair lines are based on data from 2000 to 2014. The NFL was a lower-scoring sport back then. Also some rule changes have affected things, like moving back the line for the extra point. I would be especially wary of betting on a low number of field goals. Over the years, field goal kickers have become much better, increasing the average number per game from the average of my data.

That said, is my list.

Prop Fair Rampart Prob win EV
First score TD -171 -150 63.10% 5.17%
Last score TD -197 -190 66.33% 1.24%
No safety -1523 -1100 93.84% 2.37%
No overtime -1432 -1000 93.47% 2.82%
No 2-pt conversion -618 -240 86.07% 21.94%
No three consecutive score -170 -165 62.96% 1.12%
No 3-pt margin of victory -700 -543 87.50% 3.61%
Team to score first wins -170 -162 62.96% 1.83%
Team to score last wins -205 -220 67.21% -2.24%
No scoresless quarter -353 -500 77.92% -6.49%
Punts under 8.5 -105 -140 51.22% -12.20%
Game never tied after 0-0 -118 -110 54.13% 3.34%
Field goals under 3.5 -143 -160 58.85% -4.37%
KC first score TD -159 -155 61.39% 1.00%
SF first score TD -178 -165 64.03% 2.83%
KC last score TD -163 -165 61.98% -0.46%
SF last score TD -170 -165 62.96% 1.12%
SF scoreless qtr -240 -270 70.59% -3.27%
KC scoreless qtr -270 -300 72.97% -2.70%


For many more fair lines, see my Prop Bet Calculator.
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February 6th, 2024 at 3:02:39 PM permalink
Re: 3 pt margin of victory. You just looked at all games over that time span, not ones with a point spread close to 3?
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February 6th, 2024 at 3:36:54 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

This thread has a generic title. I want to ask if the vibe of las vegas is any different for the first Super Bowl, than any other big event. I lived there 12 years total. Much of time I couldn't tell you if anything really different was going on even if a big convention was in town. Of course, maybe if I had been down on the Strip every day I might have noticed, but regardless I didn't really notice.
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I have been thinking does it make some sort of sense to put it in Vegas regularly, similar to how the Pro Bowl was always in Hawaii?

Think about it. The NFL has made peace with Vegas. 25 years ago Las Vegas was not even allowed to buy an ad for a "Visit Vegas" spot during the game. Today sports betting is seamless in the coverage. The Hotel rooms are not just in the city but tens of thousands within a few miles. Air connectivity is there. The stadium is top of class and having it there yearly would encourage it to remain so.

Downside of course is other cities and stadiums cannot be featured. Other downside is Vegas is remote from the dense populated east half of the USA.
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February 6th, 2024 at 7:11:33 PM permalink
Quote: Johnzimbo

Re: 3 pt margin of victory. You just looked at all games over that time span, not ones with a point spread close to 3?
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I take into consideration the point spread and total with my fair lines. That why the calculator asks the user for them.
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February 7th, 2024 at 7:45:16 PM permalink
Draft kings (yea I know...) has a prop Will There Be a Successful Onside Kick? No is -5000. I'd imagine this is +EV even at this line
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February 8th, 2024 at 6:54:58 AM permalink
Quote: yankeesfan2615

Draft kings (yea I know...) has a prop Will There Be a Successful Onside Kick? No is -5000. I'd imagine this is +EV even at this line
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Gotta agree. A more interesting prop would be ‘is there an onside kick?’

As far as the props Wiz has listed, the two point conversion prop has changed exponentially since Wiz collected his data. Most teams go for two after a penalty on initial try that had a defensive penalty moving ball to one yard line. Most teams go for two in end of game scenarios to try and get to 6 instead of 7 point deficit. Most teams go for two way earlier to tie game instead of pulling within one point. And sometimes teams just go for two what would appear randomly. And they go for two sometimes after the kicker missed a previous extra point.

Funny, but out of all the bets Mike mentioned, I like the ‘worst’ one! I love under 8.5 punts.
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February 8th, 2024 at 9:45:41 AM permalink
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covers.com has McCaffrey rushing over 89.5 rushing yards at -110 - linking to Bet365

he has been over that total in 7 of his last 9 games

for the entire season including playoffs he has been over that total 12 of 18 times

the Chiefs are not strong against the run - the 9ers averaged 140.5 rushing yards per game during the regular season - 2nd best in the NFL

the over looks like a good bet


https://www.covers.com/sport/football/nfl/players/29958/christian-mccaffrey


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February 8th, 2024 at 3:08:08 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

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covers.com has McCaffrey rushing over 89.5 rushing yards at -110 - linking to Bet365

he has been over that total in 7 of his last 9 games

for the entire season including playoffs he has been over that total 12 of 18 times

the Chiefs are not strong against the run - the 9ers averaged 140.5 rushing yards per game during the regular season - 2nd best in the NFL

the over looks like a good bet


https://www.covers.com/sport/football/nfl/players/29958/christian-mccaffrey


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Then go for it! I think 89.5 is a fair number. Both teams may pass a little more than usual (in the misguided) attempt to ‘keep up’ with the other high powered offense. But on the plus side for you, it is the Super Bowl. I think starters will get more carries than average and backups less.
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February 9th, 2024 at 6:14:33 AM permalink
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public betting on the Super Bowl as of Monday per the link

71% of ats bets on Chiefs and 73% of money
82% of bets on Chiefs on money line and 76% of money

Brock Purdy over 0.5 interceptions - -120 - 99% of the bets are on the over

in the 2nd link the reporter asked 4 NFL coaches to pick the winner and they all picked the Chiefs


https://www.pickswise.com/news/who-is-the-public-betting-on-super-bowl-58-super-bowl-public-betting-latest-trends/

https://theathletic.com/5259553/2024/02/09/nfl-super-bowl-picks-49ers-chiefs-coaches/

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February 9th, 2024 at 12:54:00 PM permalink
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public betting on the Super Bowl as of Monday per the link

71% of ats bets on Chiefs and 73% of money
82% of bets on Chiefs on money line and 76% of money
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This is a perfect time to test the theory that Vegas odds makers control the NFL. No way the Odds makers WANT to lose money so the 49rs are a shoe in to win right?
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February 9th, 2024 at 4:34:14 PM permalink
I'm thinking of better every single under and no proposition bet on the game. Probably at a William Hill book and the day of the game, to give square bettors more time to bet into the other side. I'm not saying I'll win, but I think my losing margin will be under 1%.
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February 9th, 2024 at 7:15:25 PM permalink
This'll be the first superbowl I've ever bet on, going to a sportsbook in NC tomorrow in fact to do so. I posted my 'possible picks' that I've gleamed from various sources online the past week or so in the other NFL thread. Maybe it's a "first timer" thing, but it really feels like quite a few of these bets are far better than a 50/50 coin flip. I won't know till tomorrow how the book I'm going to allows for betting in terms of $ down and different parlays/legs. Goal is to spend about $500ish on a bunch of bets.

Still not exactly sure which MVP long shot I want to go for, but I'm probably gonna hedge on QB for one pick and WR/back for another.
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February 10th, 2024 at 5:53:14 AM permalink
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Sports betting legend Billy Walters is taking the Chiefs -

quote:

"It's not going to be a big bet for me. It's going to be a small bet, somewhere between $500K and a million.

I figure I've got about a 6% advantage."

Walters bet $6 million on the Saints to upset the Colts in a past SB (he won) - he estimated he had a 20% edge in that game.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/2024-super-bowl-betting-why-billy-walters-is-backing-the-kansas-city-chiefs/ar-BB1i2he6


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February 10th, 2024 at 11:29:32 AM permalink
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Crazy Horse 3 a strip club less than a mile from the stadium expects to have between 400 and 500 strippers working throughout Super Bowl Sunday and the night that follows

from Friday thru Sunday they'll be open 24 hours

LV has never seen an increase in overall business like they are now seeing

the amount of business increase this week compared to SB week in other years is estimated at between $600 and $700 million


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February 11th, 2024 at 9:36:17 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm thinking of better every single under and no proposition bet on the game. Probably at a William Hill book and the day of the game, to give square bettors more time to bet into the other side. I'm not saying I'll win, but I think my losing margin will be under 1%.
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I did as I planned! This morning I went to the Rampart, which follows South Point lines, and bet on every proposition bet that had "under" or "no" in the description. Each bet was $20. This came to 175 total bets and $3,750 money bet. The writer said this broke his record for number of bets in one transaction by far.

Bets are rounded, I assume down, to the nearest nickel, so I will lose a little in the breakage. It would have taken a long time to size my bets to round evenly.

I plan to write up a full list later. Meanwhile, I am hoping for a slow boring and uneventful game. If the game goes into overtime, I'll probably get killed.
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February 11th, 2024 at 10:02:18 AM permalink
I just got a look at the South Point prop sheet, and I noticed a glaring error that could be an AP if you're willing to put some effort into it.

One of the props is for the "MVP of NFL Championship 58."
One small problem: there were "NFL championship games" long before the Super Bowl, so "NFL Championship 58" was years ago. "Any player not listed" pays 20-1.
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February 11th, 2024 at 10:58:25 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

I just got a look at the South Point prop sheet, and I noticed a glaring error that could be an AP if you're willing to put some effort into it.

One of the props is for the "MVP of NFL Championship 58."
One small problem: there were "NFL championship games" long before the Super Bowl, so "NFL Championship 58" was years ago. "Any player not listed" pays 20-1.
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Every sports book in Vegas seems to call it the NFL Championship Game or the Big Game. If someone went to Gaming with this complaint after losing the bet, their chances of the loss being overturned would be well under 1%. Gaming would probably say that any reasonable person would know the South Point meant the Super Bowl. I would agree with Gaming.
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February 11th, 2024 at 2:57:23 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: Wizard

I'm thinking of better every single under and no proposition bet on the game. Probably at a William Hill book and the day of the game, to give square bettors more time to bet into the other side. I'm not saying I'll win, but I think my losing margin will be under 1%.
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I did as I planned! This morning I went to the Rampart, which follows South Point lines, and bet on every proposition bet that had "under" or "no" in the description. Each bet was $20. This came to 175 total bets and $3,750 money bet. The writer said this broke his record for number of bets in one transaction by far.

Bets are rounded, I assume down, to the nearest nickel, so I will lose a little in the breakage. It would have taken a long time to size my bets to round evenly.

I plan to write up a full list later. Meanwhile, I am hoping for a slow boring and uneventful game. If the game goes into overtime, I'll probably get killed.
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Damn wish I had seen this yesterday! Haha. Hoping you scoop a good win. Any reason why you decided to go 3,700 hard on all these no bets?
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February 11th, 2024 at 6:32:48 PM permalink
One minute left in the third. Predict wiz collects 8450
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February 11th, 2024 at 7:36:13 PM permalink
A CBS announcer made a blackjack reference, saying "most of the time in Las Vegas, 19 wins" — was he correct???
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A CBS announcer made a blackjack reference, saying "most of the time in Las Vegas, 19 wins" — was he correct???
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I heard that and said “huh??!?!”
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February 11th, 2024 at 8:03:40 PM permalink
If your first card is a 9 what are you hoping for next, a 10/face or a 6?
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If your first card is a 9 what are you hoping for next, a 10/face or a 6?
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An ace.
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February 11th, 2024 at 8:09:30 PM permalink
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If your first card is a 9 what are you hoping for next, a 10/face or a 6?
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GAH!!!
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February 11th, 2024 at 8:34:10 PM permalink
Wizard did say " if the game goes to overtime, I'll probably be killed." And it did go to overtime. Hopefully, it didn't hurt his outcome very much.
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February 11th, 2024 at 8:36:23 PM permalink
Next, obviously meaning your next card. Ace would be nice too, but I'm fine with a 10/face.

Give me 19 all day long every hand I'll win a ton, same as if you give me a 7 all day long at Baccarat. The Asians like to say "7 never win" but they start chanting that when the other side has 7.

19 is slightly above the average winning hand.
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February 11th, 2024 at 8:41:18 PM permalink
There's one prop I didn't see on the South Point list, and I'm not that surprised it wasn't there, especially with those kickers: would any kickoff result in anything other than a touchback? One kick even hit the goal posts.


No safety (-1100): win
No overtime (-1000): loss
Shortest TD in the game under 1.5 yards (-160): loss
Longest TD in the game under 40.5 yards (-110): win
Final margin of victory will not be 3 points (-700): loss
No accepted roughing the passer penalty (-160): win
No special teams TD (-280): win
Last play of the game not a QB keep (+155): win
Team that scores first loses (+150): win
Both teams will not have the lead in the first half (-150): win
Team that scores last loses (+190): loss
Under 1.5 fumbles lost (-300): loss
No quarters will be scoreless (-500): loss
No missed extra point attempts (-400): loss
Under 2.5 players with pass completions (-200): loss
First TD is under 7.5 yards (-110): loss
Last TD is under 6.5 yards (-110): win
Score is still 0-0 after 5 1/2 minutes played (-150): win
Game not tied other than 0-0 (-110): loss
Longest field goal is under 47.5 yards (-110): loss
Shortest field goal is under 27.5 yards (-110): win (the Chiefs' first FG in the second half was 24)
Either team will not make any field goals of at least 33 yards (even): loss
Under 3.5 total field goals (-160): loss
First field goal is under 36.5 yards (-110): loss
49ers will not score a TD in the first quarter (-125): win
Chiefs will not score a TD in the first quarter (-125): win
Chiefs will not score a TD in the second quarter (+130): win
Chiefs will not score a TD in the third quarter (-130): loss
49ers will not score a TD in the fourth quarter (+140): loss
Chiefs will not score a TD in the fourth quarter (+130): win
49ers will not score in every quarter (-210): win
Chiefs will not score in every quarter (-270): win
49ers will not score a rushing TD (+250): win
Chiefs will not score a rushing TD (+135): win
49ers will not score a rushing TD in the first half (+130): win
Chiefs will not score a rushing TD in the first half (-285): win

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February 12th, 2024 at 3:16:47 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

I just got a look at the South Point prop sheet, and I noticed a glaring error that could be an AP if you're willing to put some effort into it.

One of the props is for the "MVP of NFL Championship 58."
One small problem: there were "NFL championship games" long before the Super Bowl, so "NFL Championship 58" was years ago. "Any player not listed" pays 20-1.
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Doubtful that would get you more than a “Nice try. Next?”

Tickets include the date of the event, so…
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February 12th, 2024 at 5:57:43 AM permalink
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in terms of entertainment value the game was in the running for the greatest game I've ever seen

turnovers at critical times, a blocked extra point, OT - Mahomes great OT drive that included some very surprising runs

really excellent - imho


I'm so very happy that Billy Walters won his $ half million to $ one million dollar bet____________:)

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Quote: lilredrooster

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in terms of entertainment value the game was in the running for the greatest game I've ever seen

turnovers at critical times, a blocked extra point, OT - Mahomes great OT drive that included some very surprising runs

really excellent - imho

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2nd half was good.

1st half was abysmal.
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February 12th, 2024 at 6:59:49 AM permalink
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Meanwhile, I am hoping for a slow boring and uneventful game. If the game goes into overtime, I'll probably get killed.
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I haven't done the math yet, but I know with that overtime I got killed.

I lost $837.50 to our own DJTeddyBear on his usual sucker bets. His wins were on overtime, a scoreless quarter and a missed extra point.

I had my own no overtime bet at the Wynn. As I suspected yesterday, OT will cause lots of those prop bets to lose.

That was one of the best Super Bowls ever, to watch, but one of the worst in terms of my betting. At least I didn't bet that much, compared to what I used to throw at the game about ten years go.

Let me go back to licking my wounds.
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February 12th, 2024 at 7:23:51 AM permalink
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Quote: Wizard

Meanwhile, I am hoping for a slow boring and uneventful game. If the game goes into overtime, I'll probably get killed.
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I haven't done the math yet, but I know with that overtime I got killed.

I lost $837.50 to our own DJTeddyBear on his usual sucker bets. His wins were on overtime, a scoreless quarter and a missed extra point.

I had my own no overtime bet at the Wynn. As I suspected yesterday, OT will cause lots of those prop bets to lose.

That was one of the best Super Bowls ever, to watch, but one of the worst in terms of my betting. At least I didn't bet that much, compared to what I used to throw at the game about ten years go.

Let me go back to licking my wounds.
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Shouldn't all your other unders make up for those losses? It feels like it was a big 'under' game where no one really truly shined,even Mahomes didn't put up the numbers he's been putting up this season.
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February 12th, 2024 at 7:26:54 AM permalink
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Shouldn't all your other unders make up for those losses? It feels like it was a big 'under' game where no one really truly shined,even Mahomes didn't put up the numbers he's been putting up this season.
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We shall see. So many were on things like total rushing/passing yards. That extra time will just add to those totals.
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February 12th, 2024 at 8:08:02 AM permalink
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I lost $837.50 to our own DJTeddyBear on his usual sucker bets. His wins were on overtime, a scoreless quarter and a missed extra point.
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Thanks again for the action.

For the record, we had bets on 6 props where I bet $50 on the yeses, plus $10 on a Scorigami.

The props that lost were Safety, Two point conversion and Special teams / defense TD.

Considering how well I did, both this year and historically, I’m wondering who the sucker is on these bets. 🤔

Just be thankful those six props were $50. I was totally on the fence about making them $100 each this year. 🤦‍♂️
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Meanwhile, I am hoping for a slow boring and uneventful game. If the game goes into overtime, I'll probably get killed.
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I haven't done the math yet, but I know with that overtime I got killed.

I lost $837.50 to our own DJTeddyBear on his usual sucker bets. His wins were on overtime, a scoreless quarter and a missed extra point.

I had my own no overtime bet at the Wynn. As I suspected yesterday, OT will cause lots of those prop bets to lose.

That was one of the best Super Bowls ever, to watch, but one of the worst in terms of my betting. At least I didn't bet that much, compared to what I used to throw at the game about ten years go.

Let me go back to licking my wounds.
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Shouldn't all your other unders make up for those losses? It feels like it was a big 'under' game where no one really truly shined,even Mahomes didn't put up the numbers he's been putting up this season.
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??. He exceeded his yards passing number. I think his two TD passes were exactly the expected number. And his rushing yards FAR exceeded his expected number. If you bet the under on Mahomes you lost on all of your bets.
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Good summary of the "Top 10" SB commercials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSzKxRYxvwE
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Good summary of the "Top 10" SB commercials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSzKxRYxvwE
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This year I did not see a single Super Bowl commercial or the halftime show. i watched the whole game with the sound muted while I worked on another project.
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Here are the first 46 props I've put in a spreadsheet. If anybody has nothing better to do, I would appreciate if someone could grade the ones I didn't. Thank you.

Number Description Odds W/L Comments
3153 Under 3.5 field goals -140 L Total of 7
3160 Under 118.5 total FG yards -110 L
3162 Distance of last FG made under 37.5 -110 W 27 yards
3164 FG is first quarter -- No 100 W
3166 FG is first quarter -- No 240 L Total of 2
3198 SF TD in first quarter -- NO -120 W
3200 SF TD in second quarter -- NO 145 L Total of 1
3202 SF TD in third quarter -- NO 145 L
3204 SF TD in fourth quarter -- NO L Total of 1
3164 FG by either team in first quarter -- NO W
3166 FG by either team in second quarter -- NO L
3168 FG by either team in third quarter -- NO -110 L Total of 1
3170 FG by either team in fourth quarter -- NO 140 L Total of 3
3158 Distance of first FG made under 36.5 100 L 55 yards
3216 KC scores in every quarter -- NO -280 W No score in first quarter
3152 Both teams make 33+ yard FG -- NO 120 Both made 50+ yard FG
3150 Shortest FG under 27.5 yards -110 W Shortest was 24
3214 SF scores in every quarter -- NO -230 W No score in first quarter
3206 KC TD in first quarter -- NO -140 W
3208 KC TD in second quarter -- NO 130 W
3210 KC TD in third quarter -- NO -120 L Total of 1
3212 KC TD in fourth quarter -- NO 130 W
3148 Longest FG under 47.5 -105 L Longest was 57
3240 Rushing yards by KC un 106.5 -110
3236 Net yards in game by KC un 361.5 -110
3232 Total TD's by KC un 2.5 100 W Total of 2
3234 Net yards in game by SF un 366.5 -110
3238 Rushing yards by SF un 129.5 -110
3246 Num of 49'ers to have a rushing attempt under 4 110
3242 Total sacks by SF defense un 2.5 -220
3218 SF score a rushing TD -- NO 245 W Both SF TD's by passing
3244 Total sacks by KC defense un 2.5 -130
3228 Total first downs by KC un 21 -120
3226 Total first downs by SF un 21.5 -115
3224 KC score rushing TD in first half -- NO -220 W
3254 Total 49'ers to have a reception under 6 100
3262 Will Purdy throw an interception -- NO 120
3256 Total 49'ers to have a reception under 7.5 100
3252 Will KC convert a fourth down (excludes penalties) -- NO 125
3222 Will 49'ers score a rushing TD in first half -- NO 115 W One TD was by passing
3220 Will KC score a rushing TD in game -- NO 110
3230 Total TD's by SF un 2.5 120 W Total of 2
3540 Will M. Edwards have an interception in game? -- NO -800
3542 Will L. Sneed have an intercetion in game? -- NO -750
3538 Will C. Ward (SF) have an intercetion in game? -- NO -800
3532 Total tackles (solo + assisted) by J. Brown (SF) un 5.5 115
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I'm at 142 out of 175 in recording my prop bets.

I was curious how they did the rounding, which is to $0.05. They nicely do it to the nearest $0.05. I expected them to round down.

As an example, one bet had -105 odds. A $20 winning bet should pay $20*(205/105) = $39.047619. They pay $39.05.
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Here is a full list of my $20 props. Most have not been graded yet. I'll probably just take the whole pile to the counter and the ones I come home with lost.

Number Description Odds W/L Comments
3030 Total points under 35.5 475 L
3032 Total points under 40.5 240 L
3034 Total points under 56.5 -320 W
3036 Total points under 63.5 -550 W
3038 Total points by 49'ers in game un 24.5 -120
3040 Total points by Chiefs un 24 -120
3042 Total points in first half by 49'ers un 11.5 105
3044 Total points by Chiefs in first half un 10.5 -105
3048 Safety -- NO -1200 W
3050 Overtime -- No -1200 L
3052 Successful two point converion -- NO -320 W
3066 Three unanswered scores -- NO 145
3068 Points scored in last two minutes of first half -- NO 280
3072 Shortest TD of game under 1.5 -145
3074 Longest TD of game under 39.5 -110
3084 Game decided by 3 points? -- NO -475 L
3086 Will team to score first win -- NO 150
3090 Will roughing the passer be called in game? -- NO -240
3092 Defensive of special teams TD -- NO -300
3100 Will last play of game be QB rush? -- NO 155
3102 Will both teams have lead in the first half -- NO -155
3106 Team to score last wins -- NO 200 L
3112 Total interceptions under 1.5 -125
3114 Total fumbles lost in game un 1.5 -240
3116 Scoreless quarter -- No -360 L
3124 Missed extra point in game -- NO -400 L
3128 Total players to have pass completion un 2.5 -270
3130 Total punts un 7.5 -155
3132 Largest lead under 14.5 points -150
3134 Total net yards by both teams un 715.5 -110
3136 Total combined TD's in game un 5.5 -110
3138 Distance of first TD scored un 7.5 -110
3140 Distance of last TD scored un 7.5 -110
3144 Score in first 5:30 of game -- No -140
3146 Game tied after 0-0 -- NO -105 L
3148 Longest FG under 47.5 -105 L Longest was 57
3150 Shortest FG under 27.5 yards -110 W Shortest was 24
3152 Both teams make 33+ yard FG -- NO 120 L Both made 50+ yard FG
3153 Under 3.5 field goals -140 L Total of 7
3158 Distance of first FG made under 36.5 100 L 55 yards
3160 Under 118.5 total FG yards -110 L
3162 Distance of last FG made under 37.5 -110 W 27 yards
3164 FG is first quarter -- No 100 W
3166 FG by either team in second quarter -- NO 0 L
3168 FG by either team in third quarter -- NO -110 L Total of 1
3170 FG by either team in fourth quarter -- NO 140 L Total of 3
3198 SF TD in first quarter -- NO -120 W
3200 SF TD in second quarter -- NO 145 L Total of 1
3202 SF TD in third quarter -- NO 145 L
3204 SF TD in fourth quarter -- NO 0 L Total of 1
3206 KC TD in first quarter -- NO -140 W
3208 KC TD in second quarter -- NO 130 W
3210 KC TD in third quarter -- NO -120 L Total of 1
3212 KC TD in fourth quarter -- NO 130 W
3214 SF scores in every quarter -- NO -230 W No score in first quarter
3216 KC scores in every quarter -- NO -280 W No score in first quarter
3218 SF score a rushing TD -- NO 245 W Both SF TD's by passing
3220 Will KC score a rushing TD in game -- NO 110
3222 Will 49'ers score a rushing TD in first half -- NO 115 W One TD was by passing
3224 KC score rushing TD in first half -- NO -220 W
3226 Total first downs by SF un 21.5 -115
3228 Total first downs by KC un 21 -120
3230 Total TD's by SF un 2.5 120 W Total of 2
3232 Total TD's by KC un 2.5 100 W Total of 2
3234 Net yards in game by SF un 366.5 -110
3236 Net yards in game by KC un 361.5 -110
3238 Rushing yards by SF un 129.5 -110
3240 Rushing yards by KC un 106.5 -110
3242 Total sacks by SF defense un 2.5 -220
3244 Total sacks by KC defense un 2.5 -130
3246 Num of 49'ers to have a rushing attempt under 4 110
3248 Number of different Chiefs to have a rushing attempt un 4 -115
3250 Will 49'ers convert a 4th down (excludes penalties) -- NO -105
3252 Will KC convert a fourth down (excludes penalties) -- NO 125
3254 Total 49'ers to have a reception under 6 100
3256 Total 49'ers to have a reception under 7.5 100
3262 Will Purdy throw an interception -- NO 120
3264 Will Mahomes throw an interception -- NO -115
3266 Total completions by Purdy un 20.5 100
3268 Total completions by Mahomes un 25.5 -110
3270 Total passing yards by Purdy un 244.5 -110
3272 Gross passing yards by Mahomes un 263.5 -110
3274 Total pass attempts by Purdy un 29.5 -105
3276 Total pass attempts by Mahomes un 36.5 100
3278 Longest completion by Purdy un 36.5 -110
3280 Longest completion by Mahomes un 36.5 -105
3282 Total TD passes by Purdy un 1.5 100
3284 Total TD passes by Mahomes un 1.5 130
3290 Will Purdy (SF) throw a 1st qtr TD pass -- NO -270
3292 Will Purdy (SF) throw a 2nd qtr TD pass -- NO -150
3294 Will Purdy (SF) throw a 3rd qtr TD pass -- NO -240
3296 Will Purdy (SF) throw a 3rd qtr TD pass -- NO -165
3298 Will Mahomes (KC) throw a 1st qtr TD pass -- NO -240
3300 Will Mahomes (KC) throw a 2nd qtr TD pass -- NO -130
3302 Will Mahomes (KC) throw a 3rd qtr TD pass -- NO -190
3304 Will Mahomes (KC) throw a 4th qtr TD pass -- NO -135
3306 Distance of first TD pass by Purdy un 9.5 130
3308 Distance of first TD pass by P. Mahomes un 9.5 -125
3310 Total rushing yards by B. Purdy (SF) un 11.5 -110
3312 Total rushing yards by P. Mahommes (KC) un 25.5 -110
3314 First rushing attempt by C. McCaffrey (SF) un 3.5 110
3316 Longest rush by C. McCaffrey (SF) un 18.5 -110
3318 Total rushing attempts by C. McCaffrey (SF) un 19.5 -115
3320 Total rushing yards by C McCaffrey (SF) un 94.5 -110
3322 Total receiving yards by C. McCaffrey (SF) un 35.5 -110
3324 Total receptions by C McCaffrey (SF) un 4.5 110
3326 Will C. McCaffrey (SF) score a TD in game -- NO 200
3328 First rushing attempt by E. Mitchell (SF) un 2.5 -105
3330 Longest rush by E. Mitchell (SF) un 3.5 -110
3332 Total rushing attempts by E. Mitchell (SF) un 1.5 -115
3334 Total rushing yards by E. Mitchell (SF) un 4.5 -120
3338 Will E. Mitchell (SF) score a TD in game -- NO -900
3340 First rushing attempt by I. Pachero (KC) un 3.5 -110
3342 Longest rush by I. Pacheco (KC) un 15.5 -110
3344 Total rushing attempts by I. Pacheco (KC) un 15.5 -110
3346 Total rushing yards by I. Pacheco (KC) un 69.5 -110
3348 Total receptions by I Pacheco (KC) un 2.5 120
3350 Total receiving yards by I. Pacheco (KC) un 16.5 -110
3352 Will I. Pacheco (KC) score a TD in game -- NO -105
3354 First rushing attempt by C. Edwards-Helaire un 13.5 -135
3356 Total receptions by C. Edwards-Helaire (KC) un 1.5 -240
3358 Total receiving yards by C. Edwards-Helarie un 4.5 -110
3360 Total rushing yards by C. Edwards-Helaire (KC) un 5.5 -110
3362 Will C. Edwards-Helaire (KC) score a TD in game -- NO -800
3402 First reception by G. Kittle (SF) un 10.5 -120
3404 Total receptions by G. Kittle (SF) un 3.5 135
3406 Total receiving yards by G. Kittle (SF) un 51.5 -110
3408 Longest reception by G. Kittle (SF) un 21.5 -110
3410 Will G. Kittle (SF) score a TD in game -- NO -190
3412 First reception by D. Samuel (SF) un 9.5 -110
3414 Total receptions by D. Samuel (SF) un 4.5 125
3416 Total receiving yards by D. Samuel (SF) un 61.5 -110
3418 Longest reception by D. Samuel (SF) un 21.5 -110
3420 Will D. Samuel (SF) score a TD in game -- NO -150
3422 First reception by B. Aiyuk (SF) un 12.5 -105
3424 Total receptions by B. Aiyuk (SF) un 4.5 -150
3426 Total receiving yards by B. Aiyuk (SF) un 61.5 -110
3428 Longest reception by B. Aiyuk (SF) un 23.5 -110
3430 Will B. Aiyuk (SF) score a TD in game -- NO -185
3444 Total receptions by J. Jennings (SF) un 1.5 -145
3446 Total receiving yards by J. Jennings (SF) un 14.5 -110
3448 Longest reception by J. Jennings (SF) un 12.5 -110
3450 Will J. Jennings (SF) score a TD in game -- NO -750
3452 First reception by T. Kelce (KC) un 8.5 -110
3454 Total receptions by T. Kelce (KC) un 7.5 -160
3456 Total receiving yards by T. Kelce (KC) un 71.5 -110
3458 Longest reception by T. Kelce (KC) un 21.5 -110
3460 Will T. Kelce score a TD in game -- NO 105
3462 First reception by R. Rice (KC) un 8.5 -110
3464 Total receptions by R. Rice (KC) un 6.5 -115
3466 Total receiving yards by R. Rice (KC) un 68.5 -110
3468 Longest reception by R. Rice (KC) un 20.5 -110
3470 Will R. Rice (KC) score a TD -- NO -165
3472 Total receiving yards by J. Watson (KC) un 16.5 -110
3474 Will J. Watson (KC) score a TD -- NO -700
3476 Total receiving yards by N. Gray (KC) un 13.5 -110
3478 Will N. Gray (KC) score a TD -- NO -1000
3502 FG's by J. Moody (SF) un 1.5 -110 L Total of 3
3504 Total kicking points by J. Moody (SF) un 7.5 -135
3506 Total FG's by Butker (KC) un 1.5 105 L Total of 4
3508 Total kicking points by H Butker (KC) un 7.5 -120
3510 Total punts by M. Wishnowsky (SF) un 3.5 -120 L Total of 5
3512 Total punts by T. Townsend (KC) un 3.5 100 L Total of 5
3514 Longest punt by Wishnowsky (SF) under 57.5 -115
3516 Longest punt by T. Townsend (KC) under 56.5 100
3522 Total solo & assisted tackels by D. Greenlaw (SF) un 7.5 100
3524 Total solo & assisted tackels by N. Bolton (KC) un 8.5 105
3528 Total solo & assisted tackels by F. Warner (SF) un 8.5 -140
3530 Total solo & assisted tackets by J. Reid (KC) un 5.5 125
3532 Total tackles (solo + assisted) by J. Brown (SF) un 5.5 115
3534 Total solo & assisted tackets by t. McDuffie(KC) un 4.5 -115
3536 Will T. McDuffie (KC) have an interception -- NO -1000
3538 Will C. Ward (SF) have an intercetion in game? -- NO -800
3540 Will M. Edwards have an interception in game? -- NO -800
3542 Will L. Sneed have an intercetion in game? -- NO -750
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A CBS announcer made a blackjack reference, saying "most of the time in Las Vegas, 19 wins" — was he correct???
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If you were guaranteed a 19 every hand, you’d win money.
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Shanahan should be fired for his decision to take the ball first in OT.

Considering the magnitude of the game, could be worst coaching decision of all time.
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I'm at 142 out of 175 in recording my prop bets.

I was curious how they did the rounding, which is to $0.05. They nicely do it to the nearest $0.05. I expected them to round down.

As an example, one bet had -105 odds. A $20 winning bet should pay $20*(205/105) = $39.047619. They pay $39.05.
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Kudos to Rampart.
The Good Will generated is worth so much more than a quarter cent in breakage.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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February 12th, 2024 at 5:25:20 PM permalink
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Shanahan should be fired for his decision to take the ball first in OT.

Considering the magnitude of the game, could be worst coaching decision of all time.
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It’s so funny that’s the gut reaction, but it’s not even clear it’s a mistake. It’s a very close decision what the right move is.
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February 12th, 2024 at 5:37:36 PM permalink
There’s no good reason to take the ball first…
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February 12th, 2024 at 5:42:53 PM permalink
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There’s no good reason to take the ball first…
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Of course there is. Lots of commentary today about it.

Third possession on offense is a big deal.

There are other factors that cut the other way.
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February 12th, 2024 at 5:52:22 PM permalink
I’m not worried about the 3rd possession in overtime. I want to stop Mahomes (giving him only 3 downs per possession), or I want to know exactly what I need. And I don’t want them to know what they need.

It’s just the easiest decision.
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I’m not worried about the 3rd possession in overtime. I want to stop Mahomes (giving him only 3 downs per possession), or I want to know exactly what I need. And I don’t want them to know what they need.

It’s just the easiest decision.
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It’s nice you aren’t worried about it and that means there’s “no good reason” to receive. Checks out. I’ll ignore the analytics in that case.
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