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Gialmere
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August 24th, 2019 at 1:42:07 PM permalink
Snipped from MrCasinoGames' Gaming-News thread. The poll questions are...

1) Do you think Dog/Horse racing should be banned in the US?
2) Over/Under = They'll both be gone by 2050 in the US?



Quote: bobbartop

Quote: MrCasinoGames

11. Dog Racing Died Without A Funeral. http://bit.ly/30vknZZ


Good story about dog racing.


Yeah. And in Florida, a place synonymous with the sport no less. Who'd a thunk it?

The article is pretty even handed. If anything, it's sympathetic to the tracks and the workers which is surprising since the writer admits voting to eliminate the sport. It's interesting that slots and table games were first brought in the save the tracks and jobs and ended up simply replacing them. Remove the "R" from "Racino" and put the "C" back on I guess. Here's a pull quote from the article...


Quote: Deadspin

I asked him if he’ll end up betting on horses. He said he prefers the dogs. There’s a human on the back of the horse and that screws up the nature of betting. “I know that when that box opens up my dog is running as hard as he can, and if he gets shuffled in the turn, no human had anything to do with it,” Clark said.


I never though of it that way before. Assuming there is no illegal doping going on, the Greyhounds are as pure as racing gets.

As for the ethics (i.e. animal cruelty), each side makes good points. Who to believe? Certainly the sport was seedy in the old days but appears to have made big strides in its animal treatment. I don't know the adoption stats for retired dogs but I do know a couple who have an old racing greyhound (named "BBs Go Fast" or "Beebs" for short). Plus, when you consider how many dogs are put down in shelters every year, a racing dog at least has a life. Not as good a life as the loving home PETA would hope for perhaps but, when you consider how some owners treat their pets, a decent life.

In the end, however, it doesn't matter. With the fall of Florida, the animal rights activists have won the war with only a few minor pockets of dog racing resistance left to stamp out. And, as the article points out, greyhound racing (the oldest form of legal gambling in the state) was also a victim of increased gambling competition starting with the lottery and then the Indian casinos. With its popularity plummeting and its tax revenues being easily replaced elsewhere, it became a savvy move for politicians to do the "right" thing.

Will horse racing be next? It's certainly more respectable. The Sport of Kings! Good show ol' boy! It also has more money to defend itself. But, with the PR disaster actually closing the track at Santa Anita for an entire month this season, who knows? The sport is plummeting in popularity (it's now equal to woman's basketball) and is facing stiff competition from ever proliferating forms of legal gambling. Sound familiar? Plus, with victory assured on the dog racing front, activists can now train all their guns on horse racing. How long before politicians find it a savvy move to do the "right" thing? I would speculate that many people reading this thread will live to see the death of horse racing. Put the over/under at 2050.

Who knows? Maybe in the future this type of racing will return with robot dogs and horses racing around a track in a bizarre, life size version of Sigma Derbie in the Twilight Zone.
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rxwine
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August 24th, 2019 at 1:58:34 PM permalink
In China they bet on insect battles.
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
Gandler
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August 24th, 2019 at 2:07:38 PM permalink
Both should be banned (as well as camel racing). All are cruel and unnecessary (and in my opinion not enjoyable) forms of gambling.

Just bet on a human team if you want to bet on sport related things.

If you want to make an argument that horse races can simulate an event with an uncertain outcome but predernined odds beforehand, there are plenty of machines that can accomplish this without using dogs and horses.

There is a lot more I can say about this, but it would be too political and non gambling related.....

Ban animal racing. No logical reason for it to exist anymore. If you want to bet in a fixed circuit race, lots of running and driving comps you can bet on..... Also, plenty of machines can easily simulate it.....
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August 24th, 2019 at 2:10:34 PM permalink
Dog racing sounds a little more brutal than horse.

At the end of the day, of all the animals we use, racing horses (and fighting bulls too) seem to have it pretty good. It's one of the more cognitively dissonant areas of our society how people who have no problem eating an animal that has been stuffed in a little box for its entire life suddenly get really upset when a racing horse has to be put down. It even seems to bother some people more than say, a human child starving to death.

How do people fit this in their heads?

Animal A: pumped full of chemicals, stuffed in a box, injured, brutally killed by design. (This is worth it because I slightly prefer pepperoni on my pizza over mushrooms.)

Animal B: Pretty well cared for. Used for a slightly risky purpose. Killed if it has a mishap. (This is horrible! I'm going to make it my mission in life to stop this!)

Human child: Born into poverty, or a war zone, or an abusive situation. (I'm not a fan of it, but it doesn't really bother me.)
lilredrooster
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August 24th, 2019 at 2:14:51 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

The sport (horse racing) is plummeting in popularity





you don't know WTF you're talking about buddy - horse racing is not even remotely close to dying or plummeting in popularity

today, a horse race not in the Triple Crown series, (the Travers) is on national television in about 34 minutes

the U.S. parimutuel handle was over $𝟏𝟏 𝐁𝐈𝐋𝐋𝐈𝐎𝐍 last year, the most since 2011 - and about 20% more than 1990

many fewer live attendees - but technology saved racings - gigantic sums are being bet at simulcast facilities and at ADW (advance deposit wagering - cyber) websites


http://www.jockeyclub.com/default.asp?section=FB&area=8
it's not the size of the dog in the fight that matters........................it's the size of the fight in the dog
Gialmere
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August 24th, 2019 at 2:20:19 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

In China they bet on insect battles.


Well, intentionally having animals injure or kill each other (dog fighting, cock fighting etc.) for the purpose of human gambling obviously crosses an ethical line. Animal racing, with ever shifting society morals, is a gray area. And how about bird singing wagering in Belgium? Birds are kept in cages at the casinos and punters get to wager on which ones will sing the longest and/or loudest. Would this be cruelty?

Oddly, it's currently illegal to wager on Battlebot competition. Perhaps because a human might throw the match.

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Gialmere
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August 24th, 2019 at 2:41:08 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

you don't know WTF you're talking about buddy - horse racing is not even remotely close to dying or plummeting in popularity

today, a horse race not in the Triple Crown series, (the Travers) is on national television in about 34 minutes

the U.S. parimutuel handle was over $𝟏𝟏 𝐁𝐈𝐋𝐋𝐈𝐎𝐍 last year, the most since 2011 - and about 20% more than 1990

many fewer live attendees - but technology saved racings - gigantic sums are being bet at simulcast facilities and at ADW (advance deposit wagering - cyber) websites


http://www.jockeyclub.com/default.asp?section=FB&area=8


I won't argue the point. Perhaps internet betting will save horse racing. I've also read articles that support this view but note the sources are generally from those with a vested interest in the sport. Many other articles tell a different story. And you note yourself how track attendance is down. Facilities designed for 50-60k people are now lucky to attract 10k. Meanwhile millennials seem to have zero interest in the sport. In fact, one one of the biggest reasons for the decline in bettors is due to old age and death.

Imho, however, the sport will be outlawed in the US some time this century due to animal rights activism. (I'd take under in the poll.)
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lilredrooster
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August 24th, 2019 at 3:04:48 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

I won't argue the point. Perhaps internet betting will save horse racing. I've also read articles that support this view but note the sources are generally from those with a vested interest in the sport. Many other articles tell a different story. And you note yourself how track attendance is down. Facilities designed for 50-60k people are now lucky to attract 10k. Meanwhile millennials seem to have zero interest in the sport. In fact, one one of the biggest reasons for the decline in bettors is due to old age and death.

Imho, however, the sport will be outlawed in the US some time this century due to animal rights activism. (I'd take under in the poll.)




you don't know WTF you're talking about buddy
you don't know jack about horse racing
like there's somebody in the world who gives a flying eff about your poll
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August 24th, 2019 at 3:26:00 PM permalink
Remember Stalag 17? The betting on field mice as if they were horses? Something will always be found.

The R in racino being replaced might be just a bit of public relations nonsense that the various negotiators worked out to save face with backers.
Gialmere
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August 24th, 2019 at 3:28:28 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

you don't know WTF you're talking about buddy
you don't know jack about horse racing


Time will tell.
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