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10 votes (35.71%)
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lilredrooster
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August 24th, 2019 at 3:33:40 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

Time will tell.



you don't know WTF you're talking about buddy

like there's somebody in the world who gives a flying eff about your poll
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rxwine
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August 24th, 2019 at 3:51:43 PM permalink
Although I've been gambling since about the time it became legal for me, and grew up near Bonita Springs where they had dog racing. Never bet on dogs or horses.

And looks like they are closing that track.

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Floridas greyhound racing era is ending, and the Naples-Fort Myers Greyhound Track is going down with the sport.
Plans are in the works for a new 30,000-square-foot poker room and restaurant to replace the track on the south side of Bonita Beach Road near Old 41 Road.
Now that greyhound racing is illegal in 2020 and, presuming that half of our business is not coming anymore and the fact that the building is old, we thought its the perfect time to demolish the old and build new, said Izzy Havenick, vice president for government relations for the track.
More than 69 percent of Florida voters voted for an amendment to end greyhound racing in the 2018 election. The sport will end by 2020



https://www.news-press.com/story/news/2019/02/14/bonita-greyhound-racing-track-could-demolished-replaced-poker-room/2874160002/
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
Gialmere
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August 24th, 2019 at 3:53:35 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

you don't know WTF you're talking about buddy

like there's somebody in the world who gives a flying eff about your poll


Apologies if this topic strikes a nerve. Believe it or not, I hope your analyses is correct. I don't, however, think it is.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
ThatDonGuy
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August 24th, 2019 at 4:17:40 PM permalink
Banned? Neither, although both need to be strictly controlled, and that includes the welfare of "retired" animals. There's a reason Homer Simpson's dog is a greyhound.

Will they be around in 2050? My gut says, horse racing will be - it's just too "traditional" for it not to be, and there will always be "horse people" interested in both the interests of the horses and the interests of racing to keep it going somewhere, even if, for example, the only racing left in California ends up being, say, Del Mar and three weeks at Pleasanton - but enough people against greyhound racing will band together and end up getting it banned nationwide, the way they prevented it from getting a foothold in California a few decades ago.

Also keep in mind that horse racing is popular outside of the USA, and that would help keep interest in the country going.
Gandler
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August 24th, 2019 at 4:27:45 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Banned? Neither, although both need to be strictly controlled, and that includes the welfare of "retired" animals. There's a reason Homer Simpson's dog is a greyhound.

Will they be around in 2050? My gut says, horse racing will be - it's just too "traditional" for it not to be, and there will always be "horse people" interested in both the interests of the horses and the interests of racing to keep it going somewhere, even if, for example, the only racing left in California ends up being, say, Del Mar and three weeks at Pleasanton - but enough people against greyhound racing will band together and end up getting it banned nationwide, the way they prevented it from getting a foothold in California a few decades ago.

Also keep in mind that horse racing is popular outside of the USA, and that would help keep interest in the country going.



It depends what you mean by "horse people", I know a lot of horse people (people that have ranches, horses, etc...) that hate horse racing (cruelty concerns).

I do agree that tradition will keep it alive for a long time, but I think by 2050 it will start to fade out, especially as VR machines and sims can make much more interesting bets (that will appeal far more to millennials ) than animal tracks.

I wish it would go sooner, but I fear that it may not. It may (probably) end up being a state by state issue where one progressive state bans it and others slowly follow suite (like with smoking bans).
bobbartop
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August 24th, 2019 at 5:11:11 PM permalink
A trainer like Charlie Whittingham, one of the greatest trainers of all time, RIP, died in 1999, didn't race 2 and 3-year olds. He didn't push young horses. If I was a horse, I am sure I would want to live in Whittingham's barn. Charlie, like most trainers, and like most people who work on the backside, LOVE their horses. THEY LOVE THEM! And horses, like greyhounds, they just love to run.

I've been at the track to see horses snap their legs in two before reaching the finish line, and the poor animal keeps hobbling toward the wire, hopelessly, because it's in their blood. They love running. They love to win too.

Are all trainers like Charlie Whittingham? Of course not.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
AxelWolf
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August 24th, 2019 at 5:22:49 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

A trainer like Charlie Whittingham, one of the greatest trainers of all time, RIP, died in 1999, didn't race 2 and 3-year olds. He didn't push young horses. If I was a horse, I am sure I would want to live in Whittingham's barn. Charlie, like most trainers, and like most people who work on the backside, LOVE their horses. THEY LOVE THEM! And horses, like greyhounds, they just love to run.

I've been at the track to see horses snap their legs in two before reaching the finish line, and the poor animal keeps hobbling toward the wire, hopelessly, because it's in their blood. They love running. They love to win too.

Are all trainers like Charlie Whittingham? Of course not.

I've seen a few articles about guys who REALLY LOVE THEIR HORSES.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
bobbartop
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Thanks for this post from:
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August 24th, 2019 at 5:32:32 PM permalink
Calidoscopio, was TEN YEARS OLD in this race. He was from Argentina. In places like Argentina and Chile, it is common to see old horses still racing, because they train for endurance, they don't push their youngsters, they don't run them when they're drugged up to mask the pain. The game is different down south. Watch this race. Truly an amazing performance. If you don't feel the excitement, if you don't get a tear in your eye watching this, you'll never understand horse racing.

'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
billryan
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August 24th, 2019 at 5:40:58 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

you don't know WTF you're talking about buddy
you don't know jack about horse racing
like there's somebody in the world who gives a flying eff about your poll



You are comparing 1990 dollars to 2017 dollars.
If you were making $100,000 in 1990 and made $120,000 in 2017, would you think you were on a.good projectile?
Not to mention the growth in the U.S. population.
I don't know all that much about racing, but what I do know is in the NY area, track attendance is down for 25 years ago and way down from the 1960s. Roosevelt used to routinely draw 25,000 on weekends. It's long closed. Yonkers and Aqueduct survive only because of the racino and Belmont is considering selling off two thirds of its parking lots and part of its backstretch.
NYC OTB is out of business and NY State OTBs claim they need Video lotteries to survive.
None of that gives me an impression of an industry that is thriving.
billryan
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August 24th, 2019 at 5:46:32 PM permalink
NASCAR and NHRA should adopt a parimutual betting format. Street racing produces some big wages, I think it might translate into pro racing. If I can legally bet on Nick Diaz, why not let me bet on a driver.

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