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January 27th, 2019 at 1:39:52 PM permalink
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I'm officially in!

:D



I can't wait to share Nathan's picks.
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January 27th, 2019 at 2:49:27 PM permalink
my names not in
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January 27th, 2019 at 3:32:59 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I must admit that I accidentally opened a few entries. However, I'd like to be able to enter the picks as they come in, so I won't be stuck with doing it all at once on Saturday morning. Any objections? I already sent my picks into AyeCarumba right after I started this thread. Also, as indicated above, if I win I'll give the prize the second place person, so it isn't like I'm motivated to cheat.

Any objections?



I confiirm receipt of a PM from Wizard with his entry. It remains unopened in my in box. I’ll open it after the entries are posted to verify that they are the same.
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January 27th, 2019 at 3:55:12 PM permalink
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my names not in



I don't see your entry.
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January 27th, 2019 at 4:16:19 PM permalink
Idk if this is against the rules, but I'm an outlaw, so I do what I want.

I didn't look at the book's numbers, I just chose some numbers that I thought were good. Apparently I was spot on to what the books put it at, for longest field goal and longest TD.

For any question where it was for one team or the other, TBH, I knew the Patriots are going to the superb owl, but couldn't remember the other team's name. I thought it was the Saints. Too lazy to look it up, and I didn't want to look like a fool sending my pick to Mike saying Saints, I just said screw it, I'm picking Patriots. Mike if you wanna change my answers from 'Patriots' to 'Rams', that'd be greatly appreciated. If you don't want to, that's fine too -- it's no skin off this cat's back, as they say.


EDIT: 99% chance DJATC sends in his picks at the last second.
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January 27th, 2019 at 4:19:16 PM permalink
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Mike if you wanna change my answers from 'Patriots' to 'Rams', that'd be greatly appreciated.



Oh boy! I get use quote the Grumpy Cat twice in one day.

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January 27th, 2019 at 11:29:58 PM permalink
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I don't see your entry.



o I'ma send it on the day of
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January 28th, 2019 at 1:02:06 AM permalink
Sounds like fun. For my submission I absolutely didn't look anything up, know much of anything about the game, and just literally picked the first thing to come to my mind with very little rhyme or reason.

I'll be expecting everyone to congratulate me half way through the game, when I can't possibly lose. =D


Thanks for organizing something fun Wiz! Much appreciated!
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January 28th, 2019 at 3:49:09 PM permalink
Thanks for the idea, I'll be watching the game on BBC1. Submitted my guesses by PM to the wizard. Cheers
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January 28th, 2019 at 6:51:50 PM permalink
Current player list:

RS
ThatDonGuy
jjflynn2 
southbuki
BeachBumBabs
betday1
folman
coolemc84
Ladygordon27
gordon888
soopoo
ayecarumba
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January 28th, 2019 at 11:59:59 PM permalink
Was the procedure for tie breaker(s) announced? If not, how will a tie for the total score be broken?
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January 29th, 2019 at 1:00:59 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Was the procedure for tie breaker(s) announced? If not, how will a tie for the total score be broken?


As is tradition, the tie-breaker is determined by whoever is listed first in the current list (as of now). https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/32322-super-bowl-53-prop-bet-challenge/6/#post697213

If the list is updated then I may have to update the tie-breaker criteria. I am completely unbiased, by the way.
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January 29th, 2019 at 5:57:10 AM permalink
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Was the procedure for tie breaker(s) announced? If not, how will a tie for the total score be broken?



As stated before, the points will be divided to those tying for the closest score.
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January 29th, 2019 at 10:29:42 AM permalink
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As stated before, the points will be divided to those tying for the closest score.



Let's assume after the dust settles that RS and I each total 555.3333 points. Will we be co-champions and have to share custody of the prizes?
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January 29th, 2019 at 1:38:28 PM permalink
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Let's assume after the dust settles that RS and I each total 555.3333 points. Will we be co-champions and have to share custody of the prizes?

Pretty sure this is just for pride, which many of us still have fun playing for from time to time. So I wouldn't get all T's and C's and too concerned about something that more than likely will not happen anyways.
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January 29th, 2019 at 2:37:05 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Pretty sure this is just for pride, which many of us still have fun playing for from time to time. So I wouldn't get all T's and C's and too concerned about something that more than likely will not happen anyways.



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As a prize for the winner, I will award a copy of my upcoming second edition of Gambling 102, a set of two all-plastic high-quality poker cards, as well as a beer



hehe... If I have to split the winnings, I'll take the even chapters, the red cards and the first half of the beer...
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January 29th, 2019 at 2:56:33 PM permalink
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As a prize for the winner, I will award a copy of my upcoming second edition of Gambling 102, a set of two all-plastic high-quality poker cards, as well as a beer.

32-ish entries so far ? Up the ante to 2 beers and maybe we can hit 40 !
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January 29th, 2019 at 3:08:31 PM permalink
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32-ish entries so far ? Up the ante to 2 beers and maybe we can hit 40 !

I hereby donate one of the beers the Wizard owes me.
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January 29th, 2019 at 4:01:00 PM permalink
Just sent in my picks. I would make a cash side bet with anyone who wants
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January 31st, 2019 at 6:45:13 PM permalink
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Let's assume after the dust settles that RS and I each total 555.3333 points. Will we be co-champions and have to share custody of the prizes?



In the very unlikely event of a tie, the prize will be given to all tying members, plus $100 to each of them.
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January 31st, 2019 at 6:46:51 PM permalink
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In the very unlikely event of a tie, the prize will be given to all tying members, plus $100 to each of them.



Everyone pair up and change answers to match!
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January 31st, 2019 at 6:49:41 PM permalink
Here are the players so far.

RS
ThatDonGuy
jjflynn2 
southbuki
BeachBumBabs
betday1
folman
coolemc84
Ladygordon27
gordon888
soopoo
ayecarumba
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johnzimbo
Wizard
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Nathan
boz
Romes
SM777
DJTeddyBear 
Charlie Patrick
michael99000
TomG
s23taylor 
Keeneone 
Tommy711
jimmy2times

As a reminder, the deadline is 9 AM Vegas time Saturday.
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January 31st, 2019 at 6:51:31 PM permalink
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Everyone pair up and change answers to match!



Hmmm. I hadn't thought about that. I hate to make rule changes, but this will apply only to players who have already submitted their entries.
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January 31st, 2019 at 8:11:12 PM permalink
I’m looking forward to the releasing of Nathan’s answers.
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January 31st, 2019 at 8:52:21 PM permalink
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I’m looking forward to the releasing of Nathan’s answers.



I'm looking forward to sharing them.
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January 31st, 2019 at 8:56:48 PM permalink
Well, you do have to announce the winning pick. Nathan is odds on favorite.
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January 31st, 2019 at 10:02:14 PM permalink
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I'm looking forward to sharing them.



If her answer to ...

1. winning team

is a team that’s actually participating in the game , she will have already done better than I thought.

I will not be shocked to see Miami Dolphins.
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January 31st, 2019 at 10:46:01 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

If her answer to ...

1. winning team

is a team that’s actually participating in the game , she will have already done better than I thought.

I will not be shocked to see Miami Dolphins.


I almost wrote Saints tho. Then realized there’s a chance they aren’t in it so I put the team I was sure would be in it because was too lazy to verify who the Patriots are playing.

O . O
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January 31st, 2019 at 10:49:24 PM permalink
damn good thing I was reminded by Mike about the 9am thing. Why such a non-standard time, and not like 4:20am on Sunday?
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February 1st, 2019 at 6:37:40 AM permalink
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damn good thing I was reminded by Mike about the 9am thing. Why such a non-standard time, and not like 4:20am on Sunday?



People pick round numbers for things all the time. I could have gone with 12:01 AM, but I wasn't going to accomplish anything until the morning anyway, so why not expend it a bit longer?
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February 1st, 2019 at 8:08:07 AM permalink
Again thanks for organising some fun. One idea is to use total shirt numbers of scorers or total yards as a tie breaker. btw not knowing American Football rules but soccer ones, does overtime count towards the over/under points and other similar bets?
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February 1st, 2019 at 10:36:09 AM permalink
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Again thanks for organising some fun. One idea is to use total shirt numbers of scorers or total yards as a tie breaker. btw not knowing American Football rules but soccer ones, does overtime count towards the over/under points and other similar bets?




Unless specifically stated otherwise OT counts for betting purposes.
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February 1st, 2019 at 10:39:20 AM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

Again thanks for organising some fun. One idea is to use total shirt numbers of scorers or total yards as a tie breaker. btw not knowing American Football rules but soccer ones, does overtime count towards the over/under points and other similar bets?


Yes. NFL overtime points scored count towards the total.
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February 1st, 2019 at 11:27:02 AM permalink
If there is no score in the first OT, they evidently continue into a second OT period. Would this be double overtime or is it simply OT no matter how long it takes? I don't believe any NFL OT game has ever played through the entire first OT period.
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February 1st, 2019 at 11:49:22 AM permalink
Thanks for the answers about OT (fwiw in Soccer, extra time does not usually count for betting, except outright winner bets.)
Quote: billryan

If there is no score in the first OT, they evidently continue into a second OT period. Would this be double overtime or is it simply OT no matter how long it takes? I don't believe any NFL OT game has ever played through the entire first OT period.

I've discovered the rules for playoffs are at https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-overtime-rules/ and yes they continue.

There have been ties, and I'm guessing now that overtime is only 10 minutes there should be more. You can see the most recent tie in the NFC North. Amazingly there have been some ties where both teams scored in overtime.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings
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February 1st, 2019 at 12:05:07 PM permalink
It's sudden death( or sudden victory). My question is if someone score 21 minutes into overtime, is it considered double overtime? In the playoffs, OT is 15 minutes, as opposed to ten minutes in regular seasons. In college or HS, its not unusual for both teams to score several times in OT as they start around the other teams 20-25 yard line.
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February 1st, 2019 at 12:34:11 PM permalink
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It's sudden death...

They changed the rules so, unless the first team scores a touchdown, each team has one opportunity to score. Once each side has had a chance (and this may have been a recovered fumble if both sides touched the ball) then it becoms sudden death.
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February 1st, 2019 at 1:00:12 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

It's sudden death( or sudden victory). My question is if someone score 21 minutes into overtime, is it considered double overtime? In the playoffs, OT is 15 minutes, as opposed to ten minutes in regular seasons. In college or HS, its not unusual for both teams to score several times in OT as they start around the other teams 20-25 yard line.



I don’t believe it would be considered double overtime. Because at the end of the 15 minutes, the team with the ball would keep the ball.

Now after the 2nd ot, there might be a halftime. That I don’t know and hope that it will never happen.
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February 1st, 2019 at 1:04:40 PM permalink
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I don’t believe it would be considered double overtime. Because at the end of the 15 minutes, the team with the ball would keep the ball.

Now after the 2nd ot, there might be a halftime. That I don’t know and hope that it will never happen.



There’s not a halftime break, just 2 min, but the team that kicked at the start of OT, receives at the start of 3OT. If still tied after 4OT, there’s a new coin flip to start 5OT.
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February 1st, 2019 at 1:29:25 PM permalink
So if it goes to a fifth overtime period, would it read Rams 43, Pats 40 in OT or in 5OT?
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February 1st, 2019 at 1:30:17 PM permalink
No safety -850 at south point, I'm gonna bet it because of Mike
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February 1st, 2019 at 4:24:07 PM permalink
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So if it goes to a fifth overtime period, would it read Rams 43, Pats 40 in OT or in 5OT?



I think 2OT
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February 1st, 2019 at 5:13:33 PM permalink
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No safety -850 at south point, I'm gonna bet it because of Mike



Thank you for your trust. It's a good bet, but I think it will fall to -800 by Sunday.

Better yet, find somebody who wants to bet the YES and split the difference between the Yes and No prices. Why go to strangers?
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February 1st, 2019 at 5:53:00 PM permalink
15 hours left to get your picks in.
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February 1st, 2019 at 6:26:44 PM permalink
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Better yet, find somebody who wants to bet the YES and split the difference between the Yes and No prices. Why go to strangers?



nobody will take my $85k action tho
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February 2nd, 2019 at 12:06:54 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

So if it goes to a fifth overtime period, would it read Rams 43, Pats 40 in OT or in 5OT?



It would generally say 5OT in this instance like any other major sport score line. The Rams played a double OT game once in St. Louis.
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lets get it
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February 2nd, 2019 at 9:17:54 AM permalink
Here are the picks.

Name 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
RS Pats Heads 53 6 6 3 Pats Pats Yes TD
ThatDonGuy Rams Tails 45 3 6 1 Pats Rams No TD
jjflynn2  Pats Heads 65 3 8 3 Pats Pats Yes TD
southbuki Rams Heads 58 4 7 3 Rams Pats Yes TD
BeachBumBabs Rams Heads 39 2 4 3 pats rams No TD
betday1 Pats Tails 51 3 6 3 Rams Pats No TD
folman Rams Heads 49 3 8 3 Pats Rams No TD
coolemc84 Pats Tails 69 7 4 Pats Pats Yes FG
Ladygordon27 Pats Tails 69 7 9 2 Pats Rams Yes TD
gordon888 Rams Heads 62 14 2 Pats Rams No TD
soopoo Pats Tails 47 7 5 4 Pats Rams Yes FG
ayecarumba Rams Tails 53 3 7 3 Pats Rams Yes TD
scolist Pats Heads 61 7 8 2 Pats Pats Yes TD
johnnyQ Pats Tails 57 3 6 5 Rams Rams Yes FG
WBGamble Pats Tails 61 6 7 4 Rams Pats No FG
Bruce1 Rams Heads 52 2 6 5 Pats Pats Yes TD
FCBLcomish Rams Tails 50 7 5 5 Rams Pats Yes FG
Joeman Pats Tails 66 6 8 3 Pats Rams Yes FG
unjon Pats Tails 62 3 8 2 Pats Pats Yes TD
midwestAP Pats Heads 55 5 6 4 Pats Pats Yes FG
IndyJeffrey Pats Heads 58 4 7 3 Rams Pats No TD
aceofspades Pats Tails 58 17 6 3 Rams Rams No FG
ksdjdj Rams Heads 51 6 3 Pats Rams No TD
johnzimbo Rams Tails 61 3 7 4 Rams Rams Yes FG
Wizard Rams Tails 53 3 7 3 Pats Rams Yes TD
odiosgambit Rams Heads  58  4  7  3 Pats Pats No  FG
Nathan Pats Tails 125 * 10 8 Rams Pats No FG
boz Pats Heads 44 18 5 3 Pats Pats Yes TD
Romes Pats Heads 58 4 7 3 Pats Pats Yes TD
SM777 Pats Heads 55 6 7 3 Rams Pats No TD
DJTeddyBear  Rams Tails 48 5 6 4 Rams Rams Yes TD
Charlie Patrick Pats Tails 54 3 6 3 Pats Pats Yes TD
michael99000 Rams Heads 52 2 6 3 Rams Rams Yes TD 
TomG Pats Tails 51 3 7 3 Pats Pats Yes TD
s23taylor  Rams Tails 41 7 5 2 Pats Rams No TD
Keeneone  Pats Tails 63 7 9 0 Pats Pats Yes TD
Tommy711 Rams Tails 38 14  2 2 Pats Pats No TD
jimmy2times Pats Heads 55 7 7 2 Pats Pats Yes TD
RisingDough Rams Tails 54 14 6 4 Pats Pats No FG
chuckleberry Pats Tails 51 3 6 3 Pats Pats Yes TD
FinsRule Rams Tails 41 8 8 1 Rams Rams Yes TD
EdCollins Pats Tails 58 3 7 3FGs Pats Pats Yes TD
jackmagic777 Rams Heads 47 7 5 4 Pats Rams No FG
vzx Pats Tails 62 8 7 4 Rams Pats No FG
tringlomane  Rams Heads 64 4 7 5 Rams Rams Yes TD
djatc Pats Heads 56 3 7 3 Pats Pats Yes TD
miplet Rams Heads 51 6 6 3 Rams Rams Yes TD

* Answer was not expressed as a number.

Name 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
RS TD No No Yes Yes 49 49 Yes No 41
ThatDonGuy FG No No No Yes 50 75 Yes No 10
jjflynn2  TD No No No No 47 40 No No 22
southbuki TD No No Yes Yes 48 38 Yes No 27
BeachBumBabs FG Yes No No Yes 46 67 Yes No 22
betday1 TD No No Yes Yes 45 46 No Yes 11
folman FG No No Yes No 54 38 No Yes 22
coolemc84 TD No No No No 27 No No 17
Ladygordon27 FG No No No Yes 48 48 No No 8
gordon888 FG No No No YES 39 63 No No 10
soopoo TD No No No No 45 25 No Yes! 13
ayecarumba TD No No No No 53 47 No Yes 9
scolist TD No No No No 41 66 Yes Yes 10
johnnyQ TD No No No Yes 42 47 No Yes 11
WBGamble TD NO NO NO YES 51 27 NO YES 1
Bruce1 FG No No Yes No 47 32 No Yes 36
FCBLcomish TD No No No Yes 47 53 No No 10
Joeman TD No No Yes No 48 55 Yes No 11
unjon FG No No No No 53 46 No No 22
midwestAP TD No No Yes Yes 48 34 No No 10
IndyJeffrey TD No No No yes 47 26 No No 8
aceofspades FG Yes No Yes No 52 75 Yes Yes 13
ksdjdj TD  No No No No 51 47 No No 22
johnzimbo TD No No No No 53 44 No Yes 11
Wizard TD No No No No 53 47 No Yes 9
odiosgambit  TD No No  yes No  57  28 No No  9
Nathan TD Yes Yes Yes Yes 10 20 Yes Yes 50
boz FG No No No Yes 45 25 No No 21
Romes FG No No Yes Yes 57 93 Yes No 11
SM777 FG No No No No 47 41 No Yes 19
DJTeddyBear  FG Yes Yes Yes Yes 34 87 Yes No 23
Charlie Patrick FG No No No Yes 49 62 Yes No 11
michael99000 FG  No  No  No  Yes  49  74 Yes No 21
TomG TD No No No No 47 50 No No 13
s23taylor  FG No No No Yes 38 33 Yes Yes 17
Keeneone  TD No No No No 28 33 Yes No 13
Tommy711 FG No No No No 41 67 Yes Yes 10
jimmy2times TD No No No No 51 27 No No 10 
RisingDough TD No No No No 46 38 No No 31
chuckleberry FG No No Yes Yes 54 39 No No 11
FinsRule TD No No No No 31 28 No No 8
EdCollins TD No No No No 47 47 No No 13
jackmagic777 FG No No No No 42 24 No No 24
vzx TD No No Yes No 52 32 Yes No 10
tringlomane  TD No No No Yes 53 42 No No 10
djatc TD No No No No 47 48 No No 20
miplet TD No No No Yes 48 36 Yes No 11


Some of you indicated a winning team for the margin of victory. You didn't need to.

You guys sent these in with all kinds of different formatting. Some of your skipped a pick. It was not easy to format everything into consistent answers. I apologize if I got anything wrong. You may PM me if you feel I made any errors.
Last edited by: Wizard on Feb 2, 2019
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
SOOPOO
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February 2nd, 2019 at 9:25:46 AM permalink
May the record show that the Wiz and I have bet double or nothing on the $20 he owes me from the Dead Pool on our prop picks. I think I won't look at his picks but will just follow mine, and then be surprised at my win or loss.
unJon
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February 2nd, 2019 at 9:29:55 AM permalink
Wizard, it looks like question 10 not reported on your charts.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
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