TomG
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September 6th, 2017 at 9:38:23 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

For a team with no real expectations and with the 'tanking' we have seen go on in the NBA with other teams to get a high draft pick, who knows what the motivation is going on behind closed doors. There's just too many shady things going on behind the scenes in sports in my opinion and I'm not just talking about someone deliberately throwing the game or the refs fixing it, but things like 'tanking' a season to get a draft pick etc.



A team losing games now to try and be better in the future is as out in the open as any other strategic decision teams make. It's no more behind closed doors as whether a football team wants to favor the run or the pass more in their upcoming game. It's also the main reason why the number is so low and why the under is close to a 50% chance
ZenKinG
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September 6th, 2017 at 9:44:44 PM permalink
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A team losing games now to try and be better in the future is as out in the open as any other strategic decision teams make. It's no more behind closed doors as whether a football team wants to favor the run or the pass more in their upcoming game. It's also the main reason why the number is so low and why the under is close to a 50% chance



In the NBA it's different. The commissioner is trying to crack down on teams losing purposely to get a high draft pick. This is just going to cause more 'secrecy' behind closed doors so they dont get major fines or whatever the new penalty is. The commissioner is just going to have to change the whole draft format to fix this issue. It should be changed anyway, you shouldn't be awarding mediocrity. If a team doesn't want to suck anymore, they need to go and find raw talent whether it's domestic or overseas because there's always talent out there. They need to scout and recruit, make smart trades, etc.
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TomG
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September 7th, 2017 at 5:10:14 AM permalink
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This is just going to cause more 'secrecy' behind closed doors so they dont get major fines or whatever the new penalty is.



How is an NBA team going to manage to keep its won-loss record a secret?

Low season win totals is entirely because previous NBA teams having low win totals at the end of the season. No matter what goes on behind closed doors, no team can hide how many games they've won. And because there are teams that win fewer than 20 games every year, the worst teams will have their odds around that number. There is no secrecy involved in setting that number.
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September 7th, 2017 at 7:38:16 AM permalink
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Lol. Im never gonna live this down, am i?

In time this too shall pass. Ya, probably not.... but it's a good sign you can laugh about it, sounds like progress to me. From what I can see, anything you contribute here(right or wrong) will be picked apart and criticized since you have painted a target the size of Alaska and as bright as Las Vegas on your back. Your failed predictions will be brought up, magnified and tossed in your face, your correct predictions will be called out as lucky guesses.

Assuming you keep the conspiracy crap to yourself and the the emotional rants in check( good luck with that) I think all will be well.

To speed up the process, you need a whipping boy like b79 or Vermenti to come along and take your place. Simply jump on the "cool kids" team and help bash away.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
ZenKinG
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September 7th, 2017 at 7:47:17 AM permalink
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How is an NBA team going to manage to keep its won-loss record a secret?

Low season win totals is entirely because previous NBA teams having low win totals at the end of the season. No matter what goes on behind closed doors, no team can hide how many games they've won. And because there are teams that win fewer than 20 games every year, the worst teams will have their odds around that number. There is no secrecy involved in setting that number.



Youre not understanding what im saying. Im saying that the team will subtly bench players or rest players throughout the season and basically 'tank' the season to get a worse record than they otherwise would have to get a high draft pick. Im not talking about masquerading their record. That doesnt even make sense, i dont even know what youre on about lol.
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September 7th, 2017 at 8:43:50 AM permalink
I'm not a big basketball guy, so this is no where near any of my expertise... but just from reading your OP it sounds like you're emotionally invested in the team and that's clouding your judgement on the bet. Even if it is a bet with some value to it, it's probably NO WHERE NEAR the "lock of the century" of any bet I've ever placed on sports... Let alone we already had the lock of the century... Mayweather/McGreggor. That was the easiest sports money I'll ever make in my entire life.
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September 7th, 2017 at 9:31:58 AM permalink
Until the rematch, when Conor's fans Will be convinced he has the boxing thing down.
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September 7th, 2017 at 9:59:59 AM permalink
Ok. Put it this way, I might not like ZK but I like his pick. I will take 21.5 Bulls OVER. from US$50-100. I will put up the money with Soopoo since he is close by me. Betting window is open. until 19 of September.
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September 7th, 2017 at 10:25:44 AM permalink
Kind of funny the two that are being talked about in this thread are the only 2 I bet last season! I had Bulls over 39.5 and Warriors under 67.5 and won both on the 81st game of the season.

Interesting side note is I was in attendance when the Bulls beat the Warriors in Chicago!


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TomG
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September 7th, 2017 at 2:01:47 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Youre not understanding what im saying. Im saying that the team will subtly bench players or rest players throughout the season and basically 'tank' the season to get a worse record than they otherwise would have to get a high draft pick.



The possibility of that is well known to anyone who would consider making this bet. Both the over bettors and under bettors have the same information. Calling such a practice "secret" is nonsense.

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