Slot machines in Washington

I asked the Wizard about this on his live stream and he didn’t seem to even recognize a Washington tribal lottery system and also assumed the slots in Washington were normal independent class 3 machines. What’s going on?

“All plays and pays are solely determined by the outcome of the Electronic Scratch Ticket as received from the central computer”.

So my question remains … can we … do anything with this? Don’t play if the person next to you just got a jackpot ?

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So my question remains … can we … do anything with this? Don’t play if the person next to you just got a jackpot ?
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This is why I play machines in Montana instead. ;)

The explanation of the TLS system can be found in the gaming compact.

https://wsgc.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2023-11/E-2007%2520Amendment%25202%2520%2528App%2520X2%2529.pdf#page=10

The Professor is a con artist and a moron, but he mostly gets it right. A template of all wins and losses is created. The template is used to create a set of all tickets for that game. Tickets are randomly distributed into subsets of between 5000 and 10000 tickets. A subset is loaded into a game. The tickets are sold in order. They cannot be randomized again. It is like the roll of physical instant lottery tickets. The players compete to find the winners. After a ticket is played, it is discarded. This means that odds of winning change and odds of big wins can be 0.00 if other players have already won them. The minimum RTP is 75% and a game can be pulled as long as it has paid at least 75% of money wagered back to players. His idea of finding deals with mostly winning tickets makes no sense at all because you do not know the previous results or how many subsets exist.

Bingo is much more complicated. Play Synergy, the company that bought the assets of Aruze, has a video poker based on bingo that it claims is "skill based." I cannot find the patent so I am not sure how it works.

https://learn.play-synergy.com/hubfs/Syn+BBP+slick_2600+bartop_lo+res.pdf

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Bingo is much more complicated. Play Synergy, the company that bought the assets of Aruze, has a video poker based on bingo that it claims is "skill based." I cannot find the patent so I am not sure how it works.

https://learn.play-synergy.com/hubfs/Syn+BBP+slick_2600+bartop_lo+res.pdf
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I'd heard rumors of a Class II VP that played like real VP.
All I'd seen were Genie games.
The rumors suggested that the bingo draw mapped which cards and replacement cards would be delivered.
Since there are "only" around 311million deals, there has to be a way to map a much more complex bingo game to it... they just went through the hassle.

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Bingo is much more complicated. Play Synergy, the company that bought the assets of Aruze, has a video poker based on bingo that it claims is "skill based." I cannot find the patent so I am not sure how it works.

https://learn.play-synergy.com/hubfs/Syn+BBP+slick_2600+bartop_lo+res.pdf
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I'd heard rumors of a Class II VP that played like real VP.
All I'd seen were Genie games.
The rumors suggested that the bingo draw mapped which cards and replacement cards would be delivered.
Since there are "only" around 311million deals, there has to be a way to map a much more complex bingo game to it... they just went through the hassle.
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Around 20 years ago I developed a Class II Bingo version of video poker that played a completely fair style Class III game. When I came up with it I really had high hopes thinking the Class II manufacturers would love to have a VP games that plays exactly like Class III. It turns out they weren't interested at all because the people would play whatever VP they put out. Only some of us purists would seem to care.

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I’ve recently been made aware that the slot machines in Washington state tribal casinos, such as Tulalip, are not actually class 3 games but a class 2 lottery style game… at least that’s what I’ve been told, and this website vaguely seems to validate that idea /tribal-gaming/tribal-lottery-system

Can anyone give more insight into this? Is this still the case? How play Penalty Shoot Out can they have all these name brand slot machines like Buffalo? Are they specially programmed in reverse so they see a lottery result then come up with some spin to show that?

Can this be advantage played? If you see a group of people losing a lot should you sit down on the last machine in the group, having better odds than you would otherwise since eventually the “winning numbers” need to come?
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It’s an interesting distinction, and I think the key is that Class II games can look very similar to regular slots while the underlying mechanics are different. I’d be curious to know how much of the outcome is determined before the visual spin, because that would explain the branded themes. It also makes the “due for a win” idea pretty questionable—watching a losing streak probably doesn’t change the next result. Same reason I’d treat play Penalty Shoot Out as entertainment rather than assuming past rounds predict the next one.