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I will follow up that many new guys (and some older well known guys here ) are using lazy runners. So lazy they can’t manage to move one seat over to a different machine when conducting business. Then people want to complain about things getting locked. Maybe act like a professional, and conduct your business respecting the other side. They guys who get paid to stop us. Yeah they do exist

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I will follow up that many new guys (and some older well known guys here ) are using lazy runners. So lazy they can’t manage to move one seat over to a different machine when conducting business. Then people want to complain about things getting locked. Maybe act like a professional, and conduct your business respecting the other side. They guys who get paid to stop us. Yeah they do exist
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I understand what you say. But my experience is most casinos don't check for that. It would be very difficult because legit players may use their Freeplay and then get up and be followed by another legit player who downloads their Freeplay.

My experience is if they are checking at all it's for a ratio of Freeplay to ADT.

Also, it's almost never surveillance. It's usually caught by remote computer. For example I was caught one time in AC. Security notified me they were fully aware that I was using 21 cards. They practically boasted about it

Problem was I had 23 cards. The two cards that they didn't notice was because I had messed up on a multiplier day and earned half offers (my employees mistake but I forgot to warn them). As a result the offers were half the other cards.

Clearly they were not following which cards were used by eye. It also let me know I could beat them by going lower and avoiding their software.

But I always say it's actually security and surveillance that talks too much. They gave up so much info with that one brag.

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I hate it when advantage players try to shame people who find things out on their own from sharing openly. No one is entitled to play at an advantage. If you can make it, great, but don't cry when it goes away. Find another advantage elsewhere and keep it to yourself then.

Agree. They are just jackals, they can’t do anything else in life. True professionals will always find a way to get the advantage.

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I hate it when advantage players try to shame people who find things out on their own from sharing openly. No one is entitled to play at an advantage. If you can make it, great, but don't cry when it goes away. Find another advantage elsewhere and keep it to yourself then.

Agree. They are just jackals, they can’t do anything else in life. True professionals will always find a way to get the advantage.
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What can’t I do in real life ? Lol

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I will follow up that many new guys (and some older well known guys here ) are using lazy runners. So lazy they can’t manage to move one seat over to a different machine when conducting business. Then people want to complain about things getting locked. Maybe act like a professional, and conduct your business respecting the other side. They guys who get paid to stop us. Yeah they do exist
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I understand what you say. But my experience is most casinos don't check for that. It would be very difficult because legit players may use their Freeplay and then get up and be followed by another legit player who downloads their Freeplay.

My experience is if they are checking at all it's for a ratio of Freeplay to ADT.

Also, it's almost never surveillance. It's usually caught by remote computer. For example I was caught one time in AC. Security notified me they were fully aware that I was using 21 cards. They practically boasted about it

Problem was I had 23 cards. The two cards that they didn't notice was because I had messed up on a multiplier day and earned half offers (my employees mistake but I forgot to warn them). As a result the offers were half the other cards.

Clearly they were not following which cards were used by eye. It also let me know I could beat them by going lower and avoiding their software.

But I always say it's actually security and surveillance that talks too much. They gave up so much info with that one brag.
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Well let me clue you in on what the local hustlers are doing who are against cards. These guys are so delusional they believe they are making less money because of guys like you. Classic need to blame others for their shortcomings. So these guys are spending a good portion of their day snapping photos of anyone they think is redeeming or building. Then they forward this information to security. So they are in essence working for the casino for free lol. So if I was you I would make an effort not to do what I Eluded to above. Inform your people to be more discreet. I have invested some Time, and money into counter surveillance of these losers so if you would like to know who they are I can can share on signal. Trust me they are in many casinos in your area. Real pieces of work these guys lol. You probably don’t care nor do I as nothing they do will ever disrupt something I want or need to get done. If anything it will make me go harder in the areas they are defending.

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I will follow up that many new guys (and some older well known guys here ) are using lazy runners. So lazy they can’t manage to move one seat over to a different machine when conducting business. Then people want to complain about things getting locked. Maybe act like a professional, and conduct your business respecting the other side. They guys who get paid to stop us. Yeah they do exist
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I understand what you say. But my experience is most casinos don't check for that. It would be very difficult because legit players may use their Freeplay and then get up and be followed by another legit player who downloads their Freeplay.

My experience is if they are checking at all it's for a ratio of Freeplay to ADT.

Also, it's almost never surveillance. It's usually caught by remote computer. For example I was caught one time in AC. Security notified me they were fully aware that I was using 21 cards. They practically boasted about it

Problem was I had 23 cards. The two cards that they didn't notice was because I had messed up on a multiplier day and earned half offers (my employees mistake but I forgot to warn them). As a result the offers were half the other cards.

Clearly they were not following which cards were used by eye. It also let me know I could beat them by going lower and avoiding their software.

But I always say it's actually security and surveillance that talks too much. They gave up so much info with that one brag.
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Well let me clue you in on what the local hustlers are doing who are against cards. These guys are so delusional they believe they are making less money because of guys like you. Classic need to blame others for their shortcomings. So these guys are spending a good portion of their day snapping photos of anyone they think is redeeming or building. Then they forward this information to security. So they are in essence working for the casino for free lol. So if I was you I would make an effort not to do what I Eluded to above. Inform your people to be more discreet. I have invested some Time, and money into counter surveillance of these losers so if you would like to know who they are I can can share on signal. Trust me they are in many casinos in your area. Real pieces of work these guys lol. You probably don’t care nor do I as nothing they do will ever disrupt something I want or need to get done. If anything it will make me go harder in the areas they are defending.
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The average gambler sits at a slot for some period of time. IMO it actually would look more suspicious if you have 100 cards and switched seats 100 times.

These guys you are mentioning would have to be staring at someone redeeming their Freeplay literally just sitting watching each "suspect" for ten minutes until they went through one card and switched to another.

I'm not trying to say it's not something suspicious going on but there is something suspect about what you claim

You got to love the guys with headphones, especially the ones who pack their lunch.

If you want to prevent people from talking on the Internet, especially on forums dedicated to this, you are either a complete loser or an idiot.

Laugh, laugh, what else can you do.

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If you want to prevent people from talking on the Internet, especially on forums dedicated to this, you are either a complete loser or an idiot.

Laugh, laugh, what else can you do.
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I would go with a little bit immature, haven’t yet learned to accept the things they cannot change, rather than flagrantly insulting a broad swath of people of above average intelligence who you know are members in good standing.

Like Axel said, many change their opinion in time, usually only after they suffer some consequence, but if that opinion changes it will be with experience. You cannot change it, people will be defiant to your reasoning and it’s counterproductive, accept it imo. People also have a right to their opinions and it comes across as selfish and gate keeping even though those doing it genuinely believe it’s for the best.

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The average gambler sits at a slot for some period of time. IMO it actually would look more suspicious if you have 100 cards and switched seats 100 times.

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From what I've seen, the average gambler also pulls out their loyalty card from time to time, with hopes of tricking the machine into paying a jackpot. Some even cash out, to "trick" their favorite machine into resetting out of "beast mode".