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March 13th, 2023 at 1:45:44 PM permalink
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This is settled law here at WoV. Mike has made it clear that outing these plays is approved behavior here.

Not so fast buco. IIRC Mike was not on board with some aspects. I can't remember his wording on the exact timeframe, or circumstances, but something along the lines of not outing plays that will cause Advadage Players(or members here) financial harm. Something like that. DarkOz might remember.
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I've been a forum member here for some time and I don't recall that. The only one I remember was to respect the source of the info. If something was shared to you in confidence, you should not broadcast it further. But when I tried to slightly obfuscate a +EV play at Morongo, the Wiz helpfully linked to it, exposing it further. I commented on the Gambling with an Edge podcast that I had no issue with it being broadcast, although it may have attracted players from outside the immediate region, like the Triple Down promo at Mohegan Sun back in the day. No one is entitled to make money from a casino. People should communicate with their trusted networks, should they exist, and use their own judgment as what is appropriate to reveal, but I would be opposed to any policy barring reveals.
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March 13th, 2023 at 1:52:13 PM permalink
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Just trying to give an opportunity to others. Donít think giving back to the community would be a bad thing.
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If you want to give back to the community, tithe 10% of your winnings to Gamblers Anonymous. No, I am not in favor of banning casinos . Just seen too many lives and families destroyed by gambling addiction. Harder in most cases than drug addiction. Nobody likes a guy high on drugs, but everybody loves a WINNER !

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March 13th, 2023 at 1:55:56 PM permalink
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This is settled law here at WoV. Mike has made it clear that outing these plays is approved behavior here.

Not so fast buco. IIRC Mike was not on board with some aspects. I can't remember his wording on the exact timeframe, or circumstances, but something along the lines of not outing plays that will cause Advadage Players(or members here) financial harm. Something like that. DarkOz might remember.
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I've been a forum member here for some time and I don't recall that. The only one I remember was to respect the source of the info. If something was shared to you in confidence, you should not broadcast it further. But when I tried to slightly obfuscate a +EV play at Morongo, the Wiz helpfully linked to it, exposing it further. I commented on the Gambling with an Edge podcast that I had no issue with it being broadcast, although it may have attracted players from outside the immediate region, like the Triple Down promo at Mohegan Sun back in the day. No one is entitled to make money from a casino. People should communicate with their trusted networks, should they exist, and use their own judgment as what is appropriate to reveal, but I would be opposed to any policy barring reveals.
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FYI I dont think that the OP was or is doing anything that rises to any serious level, information isn't specific enough.

As I said, I dont recall exactly was what said or how things went down, it was more than one situation, but it seemed to me that Mike had changed his views on certain aspects regarding all that.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 13th, 2023 at 2:00:01 PM permalink
There have been a few incidents (involving myself) that have led to these issues.

First up was the tax day offer at some casino in Vegas. Every jackpot won on tax day had some highly valuable bonus cash. Don't remember the exact details.

What I do remember is this. Living on the East Coast I had no particular interest in the play and certainly wasn't flying out for it. I found out about it in an Atlantic City newspaper which was advertising the promotion.

I posted about it figuring I would help my fellow buddies on WOV with a valuable play they might have missed. Instead I got abusive PM's that I had outed a highly valuable play (nationally advertised coast to coast nonetheless so chutzpah to AP's centrist world).

Some forum members realized they could take the post down by organizing a spam report of the item. It was autostruck from the sight. I quizzed Wizard what terms of service I had broken for mods to remove it

That initiated an investigation to see what occurred and the perpetrators were quickly discovered and given I think three day suspension.

Wizard directly addressed that gambling threads involving plays are certainly not in violation here from publicly available sources AND THEN went on to mathematically break down the odds of that particular promotion and the best plan of attack

That really pissed off everyone BUT NOT AT THE WIZARD!!! Everyone started saying I had ruined it further even though I had nothing to do with the Wizard doing the math breakdown but that's really what this sight is for so can't see how everyone complained.

Anyway that was NOT the exodus. That happened at a later incident.
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March 13th, 2023 at 2:03:15 PM permalink
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There have been a few incidents (involving myself) that have led to these issues.

First up was the tax day offer at some casino in Vegas. Every jackpot won on tax day had some highly valuable bonus cash. Don't remember the exact details.

What I do remember is this. Living on the East Coast I had no particular interest in the play and certainly wasn't flying out for it. I found out about it in an Atlantic City newspaper which was advertising the promotion.

I posted about it figuring I would help my fellow buddies on WOV with a valuable play they might have missed. Instead I got abusive PM's that I had outed a play (nationally advertised coast to coast nonetheless so chutzpah to AP's centrist world).

Some forum members realized they could take the post down by organizing a spam report of the item. It was autostruck from the sight. I quizzed Wizard what terms of service I had broken for mods to remove it

That initiated an investigation to see what occurred and the perpetrators were quickly discovered and given I think three day suspension.

Wizard directly addressed that gambling threads are certainly not in violation here AND THEN went on to mathematically break down the odds of that particular promotion and the best plan of attack

That really pissed off everyone BUT NOT AT THE WIZARD!!! Everyone started saying I had ruined it further even though I had nothing to do with the Wizard doing the math breakdown but that's really what this sight is for so can't see how everyone complained.

Anyway that was NOT the exodus. That happened at a later incident.
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What I'm talking about was after the TaxDay promo.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 13th, 2023 at 3:15:52 PM permalink
Here is the thread in question: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/las-vegas-casinos/plaza/25531-plaza-casino-bonus-for-tax-day-reposted/

I honestly don't think there were that many APs here in 2016, and whatever they are talking about now is either on other forums or in DMs, which is fine. The APs won't share with me what they know, but I am not trying to get into their business and play slots or table games for a living. But if I discover something and can't make use of it, I am going to share and broadcast it widely if many people will benefit.
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March 13th, 2023 at 4:24:01 PM permalink
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Wizard directly addressed that gambling threads are certainly not in violation here AND THEN went on to mathematically break down the odds of that particular promotion and the best plan of attack

That was certainly not the best plan of attack or things to play for many reasons, and it totally backfired.

And prior to the promo they put the breaks on what the math guys and known VP guys thought were "The best" machines. That was directly related to Mike's post. Somome informed Jonathan Jossel ( He was very active in his gambling operations and promotions)of the Wizard's post and that machine was rendered unplayable leaving guys like Dancer, Mike, and a few other hopefuls with the assumption there was nothing else good really to play.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 13th, 2023 at 4:41:01 PM permalink
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Here is the thread in question: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/las-vegas-casinos/plaza/25531-plaza-casino-bonus-for-tax-day-reposted/

I honestly don't think there were that many APs here in 2016, and whatever they are talking about now is either on other forums or in DMs, which is fine. The APs won't share with me what they know, but I am not trying to get into their business and play slots or table games for a living. But if I discover something and can't make use of it, I am going to share and broadcast it widely if many people will benefit.
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There were significantly more Active posters who were APs in 2016 than there are now.

I have been fighting this uphill battle since the early '90s. Aside from some holdouts, eventually, most serious APs get it. Nowadays, it's hard to see the direct consciences of what TMI brings. Back in the 90's you saw and felt the imidate consciences costing individuals and APs as whole ungodly amounts of money.

There were many situations where A few could make a lot or no one makes anything.

Also when you publicly announce something you have no idea and no way to control what idiot or scorched earth MF might come along and F it up for everyone. Casinos don't always/often learn from or understand their mistakes. They definitely learn and understand from people bragging about it while having mathematical breakdowns thrown in their face.

Let's not forget that Darksiders get their information via learning it from Advantage Players.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 17th, 2023 at 9:28:22 AM permalink
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Here is the thread in question: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/las-vegas-casinos/plaza/25531-plaza-casino-bonus-for-tax-day-reposted/

I honestly don't think there were that many APs here in 2016, and whatever they are talking about now is either on other forums or in DMs, which is fine. The APs won't share with me what they know, but I am not trying to get into their business and play slots or table games for a living. But if I discover something and can't make use of it, I am going to share and broadcast it widely if many people will benefit.
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There were significantly more Active posters who were APs in 2016 than there are now.

I have been fighting this uphill battle since the early '90s. Aside from some holdouts, eventually, most serious APs get it. Nowadays, it's hard to see the direct consciences of what TMI brings. Back in the 90's you saw and felt the imidate consciences costing individuals and APs as whole ungodly amounts of money.

There were many situations where A few could make a lot or no one makes anything.

Also when you publicly announce something you have no idea and no way to control what idiot or scorched earth MF might come along and F it up for everyone. Casinos don't always/often learn from or understand their mistakes. They definitely learn and understand from people bragging about it while having mathematical breakdowns thrown in their face.

Let's not forget that Darksiders get their information via learning it from Advantage Players.
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I had one of the biggest plays of my career last year ruined by morons posting the exact way to do in on private discords. A play worth 30k to 35k a week using 4 people working 15 to 18 hours a week. Within days of them posting the game was fixed and the entire players club halted. The morons posting had no idea of how to really exploit the flaw. These types of things are happening more frequently. As people rather post how smart they are, and what they know instead of actually running the play. It completely changed my outlook on things. No Longer will I play the long game on these types of plays. I blow the game directly out the minute I find something.
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March 17th, 2023 at 9:30:46 AM permalink
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Vicksburg and that whole area of Mississippi have nobody working it. Except Biloxi has the Asians in the Buffalo room.

Sorry Iím trying to help out others.
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I think Raymond may disagree lol

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