AZDuffman
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September 10th, 2021 at 8:42:00 AM permalink
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On a slot win the tip should be $0.

You tip a dealer because they are paid the "waitress minimum" and are doing some actual service. A slot attendant is neither, to tip them is to tip the bank teller.

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    And if a slot attendant is being paied min wage they should be tipped? And if a dealer is being paied more than min they shouldnt be tipped? What if a poker room mannager is sitting in for a dealer should you now not tipp him or tipp less since he mkes mannagment wages?
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    I doubt the slot manager is being paid minimum as it is not a regular tipped job.

    Dealers are a tipped position.

    The poker room manager I only saw happen once. Was not my table but IIRC he was just filling in for a break so probably did not have a tip box. A management employee taking tips like that creates a few issues.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:43:46 AM permalink
    Quote: Wizard

    I'd tip about $2,000, or 0.2%. That seems right to me. I've maintained the proper tip on a hand pay is 0.5% to 2%, the larger the jackpot, the smaller the percentage.

    However, in this case the win is so huge that going down to 0.2% seems justifiable.

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    I was initially going to say $500 but the Wizard's answer convinced me that $2000 is good. I definitely wouldn't go higher. I am a low roller so the only thing I have ever hit requiring a hand pay was a quarter VP progressive for about $1300 for which I gave $20 (about 1.5%). Really the only reason for a hand pay is the IRS so I am actually tipping for IRS-reported income whereas a normal $1000 VP jackpot I can just cash the ticket in a machine with no IRS reporting and no tip.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:47:10 AM permalink
    Quote: jml24

    Quote: Wizard

    I'd tip about $2,000, or 0.2%. That seems right to me. I've maintained the proper tip on a hand pay is 0.5% to 2%, the larger the jackpot, the smaller the percentage.

    However, in this case the win is so huge that going down to 0.2% seems justifiable.

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    I was initially going to say $500 but the Wizard's answer convinced me that $2000 is good. I definitely wouldn't go higher. I am a low roller so the only thing I have ever hit requiring a hand pay was a quarter VP progressive for about $1300 for which I gave $20 (about 1.5%). Really the only reason for a hand pay is the IRS so I am actually tipping for IRS-reported income whereas a normal $1000 VP jackpot I can just cash the ticket in a machine with no IRS reporting and no tip.
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    Of course, I'm sure you still claim all of those wins on your taxes even though they were not reported by the casino.
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    Mission146
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:51:38 AM permalink
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    That's why I'd never have to worry about it, I don't think. Not a million, anyway. I'm not sure there's a, 'Vulture,' machine where that could even happen. There probably is somewhere, but not around me.

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    i've seen $5 'Ult X' tdb 10play.
    dealt awk would be $20k x 10 = $200k
    with an avg of 5x multipliers = $1M

    so you only need to find such a machine with that many multipliers AND be dealt a Royal or equivalent.
    easy peasy. :)
    easier than winning 2nd prize in MegaMillions/Powerball(?)

    /cue Mathlete to do that calcs for that :)
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    The probabilities are already listed on the websites for those lottery games, and the probability of my winning any prize in those is zero.

    My best theoretical Ultimate X opportunity (by cash outcome) is Triple-Play $5 denomination, which is where my $720,000 comes from and assumes a 12x multiplier:

    $20,000 * 3 * 12 = $720,000
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:53:33 AM permalink
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    Why do I want to make sure the attendants pay taxes on it? They're legally obligated to, of course, but that's none of my concern whether they actually do it or not.

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    $1M prize.
    you accept $950k (and are only taxed on 950k).
    the slot attendant gets the other $50k. you dont care how s/he handles the taxes.
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    I don't care if I end up paying the taxes on the other 50k.  I'm really not worried about it. What I am giving them is a pittance compared to what I am getting.

    I'm making the tip cash for a reason. They can decide whether or not they wish to report a 25k (each) tip. They are legally required to report it. I do not care whether or not they report it.

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    September 10th, 2021 at 9:11:22 AM permalink
    Quote: MichaelBluejay



    (If you don't believe in tipping, this thread is not for you. The rest of us are already painfully aware that many of you don't believe in tipping.)



    I don't feel bad about it since I believe people should just get paid by the business if they're worth more to the business or extra service should be itemized. What's wrong with having extra service itemized instead of delivered whether you want it or not?

    $2.00 if you want your pizza delivered priority. Sorry, I won't derail with any further comment on this. But you implied for some reason it should be considered painful. Maybe, but not in all cases.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 10:04:45 AM permalink
    Quote: billryan



    In NY, the store that sells the winning prize get a pretty nice payout that is supposed to be shared with the employees.
    In California, the retailer who sells a winning ticket can get awarded up to one million dollars and it has happened . In that case, the retailer should be tipping the winner.

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    Store here gets money too. I think they said $5000. But these workers are only employees ,the store is owned by the corporation which keeps that money . None of it is shared with the workers
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    September 10th, 2021 at 12:02:46 PM permalink
    Quote: coilman

    Store here gets money too. I think they said $5000. But these workers are only employees ,the store is owned by the corporation which keeps that money . None of it is shared with the workers

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    This bothers me. If I won $1,000,000 on a lottery ticket and the store owner got a $5,000 bonus, I wouldn't tip squat. It would bother me if the store owner didn't let the bonus trickle down the workers, but that wouldn't make it my problem to do so.

    On a related note, I was playing craps at the Mohegan Sun (formerly Hard Rock) with a friend who loves sucker bets. She made one on the Fielder's Choice, despite my lecturing, and won. At the Mohegan Sun they pay the dealers a Lucky George bonus of 20% of the bet amount on a win. What happened after she won is the dealer's quietly dropped a buck in the tip box. Then my friend tipped them again, which they accepted happily. I couldn't not say anything so I tried to stop her, saying they already got tipped automatically. She said she didn't know that, but wanted to make her own gesture of appreciation.

    For this reason and the lottery story, I think the intent with automatic tips is being abused. When game inventors come to me and want to implement a Lucky George feature in their game, I try to talk them out of it.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 12:12:53 PM permalink
    Quote: Wizard



    For this reason and the lottery story, I think the intent with automatic tips is being abused. When game inventors come to me and want to implement a Lucky George feature in their game, I try to talk them out of it.

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    I do not see it any different than management getting a bonus based on Prop Bet play.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 1:20:16 PM permalink
    Hi limit slot players with fast pay generally tip nothing. There is no one to tip. The money is automatically credited to their tito.

    Hand pay is an antiquated system that should end. Takes too much time. Is done in public. Machine is locked up for 10-15 minutes. With technology flooding the market…hand pay should disappear soon enough.

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