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September 21st, 2021 at 4:37:10 PM permalink
On the topic of tipping, many of you might know that starting in 2006, Wynn forced dealers to share tips with supervisors, resulting in a lawsuit by the dealers. That wasn't settled completely until this year. I wrote up a summary of the case in the article, How much do dealers make?
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September 21st, 2021 at 5:18:34 PM permalink
I went to college in 1990 when pizza driver tips didnt exist. I went back to college in 2000 and found out tipping pizza drivers are routine. Now, i google when in doubt. I discovered that ppl tip sonics and curbside restaurants.

I had been eating and tipping curbside for a while at one bbq restaurant chain. One day, i suspect that my meal was lost. I go inside to tip. The cashier said that they are not allowed to accept tips.
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September 21st, 2021 at 5:23:52 PM permalink
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I went to college in 1990 when pizza tips didnt exist. I went back to college in 2000 and found out tipping pizza is routine. Now, i google when in doubt. I discovered that ppl tip sonics and curbside restaurants.



I went to college in 1984 and to the best of my knowledge tipping was always expected for delivered pizza. It was usually just a dollar tip unless it took the Domino's driver more than 30 minutes and your pizza was free. We always hoped it took over 30 minutes.
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September 21st, 2021 at 5:41:44 PM permalink
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I went to college in 1984 and to the best of my knowledge tipping was always expected for delivered pizza. It was usually just a dollar tip unless it took the Domino's driver more than 30 minutes and your pizza was free. We always hoped it took over 30 minutes.

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    My memory must be off or texas was different.
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    September 21st, 2021 at 5:43:27 PM permalink
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    I went to college in 1984 and to the best of my knowledge tipping was always expected for delivered pizza.



    I started in 1983 and tipping for pizza delivery was definitely expected.
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    September 21st, 2021 at 7:10:39 PM permalink
    You also suppose to tip the housekeeping staff who cleams your hotel rooms. Tip the guy who comes and installs your cable or internet system in your home.

    Funny story, back in my glory days touring and working for rock n roll bands, I was on a European leg working for Bruce Springsteen. We were staying at the Four Seasons in Milan Italy. Can't remember but for some reason I had to take a cab to the hotel vs arriving with the group. Once I got to the hotel I tried to retrieve my luggage out of the trunk of the cab but the freaking bellman beat me to it, so I tipped him $10 Euros. Then when I received my hotel key, I was escorted to my room by the front desk personell. Damn, another $10 Euros. Then a different bellman brings my bags to the room. Damit! Another $10 Euros. Freaking cost me over $50 USD just to get settled into my room.
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    September 21st, 2021 at 7:58:02 PM permalink
    Quote: DRich

    I went to college in 1984 and to the best of my knowledge tipping was always expected for delivered pizza. It was usually just a dollar tip unless it took the Domino's driver more than 30 minutes and your pizza was free. We always hoped it took over 30 minutes.

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    September 21st, 2021 at 9:18:23 PM permalink
    Quote: DRich

    I went to college in 1984 and to the best of my knowledge tipping was always expected for delivered pizza. It was usually just a dollar tip unless it took the Domino's driver more than 30 minutes and your pizza was free. We always hoped it took over 30 minutes.

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    Lukewarm Domino's is only barely a +EV play.
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    October 24th, 2021 at 7:54:31 PM permalink
    My rule of thumb is to take the jackpot amount and then move the decimal place two places to the left to determine the tip, with a maximum cap of $100.00. Example: $7,000.00 jackpot becomes a $70.00 tip. I don't feel obligated to tip at all but I mostly do it to keep me in the staff's good graces so they are less inclined to kick me out for being an advantage player (not that I am technically costing the casino any money anyway but who knows what their thinking would be regarding visitors having a more negative experience at the casino because they won less money due to people like me).

    If I won something insane like a million dollars then I would certainly consider increasing the cap of $100.00 but I'll worry about that once it happens.
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    October 24th, 2021 at 7:57:18 PM permalink
    Can't believe so many members on this forum is so cheap when it comes to tipping. Embarrassing.
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    October 24th, 2021 at 8:31:18 PM permalink
    My expected profit margins when I go after must hit by progressive jackpots tend to be very thin; less than $100.00. So if you think after winning $2,000.00 I should be tipping something like $100.00, well then there goes my entire profit margin.
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    October 25th, 2021 at 5:41:09 AM permalink
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    Can't believe so many members on this forum is so cheap when it comes to tipping. Embarrassing.
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    dont force your values onto the rest of us.
    Do you have waiter's guilt?
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    October 25th, 2021 at 9:41:20 AM permalink
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    Can't believe so many members on this forum is so cheap when it comes to tipping. Embarrassing.
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    dont force your values onto the rest of us.
    Do you have waiter's guilt?
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    I have no problem stiffing a waiter or waitress if the service is horrific, but usually my norm is anywhere from 20-30%. Sometimes less and sometimes more. Just depends on the service and the food.

    And if I'm generally losing, I rarely tip or it's minimal. But as long as I'm winning, I will tip. But Jackpots are different, you have to factor in taxes, but I still tip around 5%, on the net. But again, the biggest Jackpot I have won was for $13,500 on a bingo coverall. I think I tipped $700., that was a generous tip in my book.
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    October 25th, 2021 at 11:36:54 AM permalink
    Quote: Vegasrider

    Quote: 100xOdds

    Quote: Vegasrider

    Can't believe so many members on this forum is so cheap when it comes to tipping. Embarrassing.
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    dont force your values onto the rest of us.
    Do you have waiter's guilt?
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    I have no problem stiffing a waiter or waitress if the service is horrific, but usually my norm is anywhere from 20-30%. Sometimes less and sometimes more. Just depends on the service and the food.

    And if I'm generally losing, I rarely tip or it's minimal. But as long as I'm winning, I will tip. But Jackpots are different, you have to factor in taxes, but I still tip around 5%, on the net. But again, the biggest Jackpot I have won was for $13,500 on a bingo coverall. I think I tipped $700., that was a generous tip in my book.
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    Quite generous. It is a proper tip if YOU feel it was the right amount. It was your money, and if you want to make someone’s day by sharing in your fortune, good for you!

    I’m too concrete. As soon as I won the $13.5k, I add it to my mental bank account. I subtract taxes of course. So now I’d think what would be the best use of the money? I can assure you giving it to the guy who just handed it to me would be very low on my list. Because of cultural norms I probably would tip him $100, but I can’t imagine any more than that.

    I’ve never worked for tips. I’ve been told that people who did work for tips in their younger years tend to be much bigger tippers in their older years.
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    October 25th, 2021 at 11:57:01 AM permalink
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    As soon as I won the $13.5k, I add it to my mental bank account.....Because of cultural norms I probably would tip him $100, but I can’t imagine any more than that.
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    The Easy Vegas recommendation for a $10k handpay is $100, so your idea is right in line with the rec. Recs are based on polling in this thread, though as you say, the proper amount is subjective.
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    October 25th, 2021 at 12:30:54 PM permalink
    For the most part, the tip that person receives is split amongst everyone who is working that shift. So $100 could be split 10 ways. However if the tip is going to one single individual, I would tip less. But most if not all casinos around here, everything is pooled.

    And not everyone will leave a tip!
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    October 25th, 2021 at 1:30:28 PM permalink
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    And not everyone will leave a tip!
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    And some people will surely dispense lavish gratuities.
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    October 25th, 2021 at 2:09:39 PM permalink
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    Quite generous. It is a proper tip if YOU feel it was the right amount. It was your money, and if you want to make someone’s day by sharing in your fortune, good for you!

    There is also probably a "Multiplier" in effect here too, ie, I mean that the $ 700 to you may have a lot less impact than $700 to the person(s) who received it.

    But anyway, I agree with SOOPOO that $ 100 to $ 200 is also very reasonable.

    I have never hit a Jackpot as big as $ 13,500. My highest ( several times this year ) is $ 4000 from a RF on a JoB VP $ 1 denom game.

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    October 25th, 2021 at 2:20:09 PM permalink
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    I’ve never worked for tips. I’ve been told that people who did work for tips in their younger years tend to be much bigger tippers in their older years.
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    I have been around many bartenders, cocktail waitresses, and various different tipped-based employees while gambling who I have got to know fairly well, they don't tip all that well on hand pays. I noticed in the 2% range. If they hit for 10k-20k they would give about $500.

    I bet the average waitress or waiter is not that generous when it comes to tipping. I would guess they tip less than the average tipper.

    I think women tip less than men.
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    October 25th, 2021 at 3:21:13 PM permalink
    I use to date a poker dealer who worked at the Bellagio back in the days when I lived and played poker in Vegas. Sometimes she dealt in the high limit area or in Bobby's Room where she is shoving pots that you could by a house. Normal tip was $1, maybe 5. But not uncommon for many dealers to walk away from their down with zero. I remember her saying that whenever Bobby Baldwin was at the table, he would make sure that their was a $25 chip for her when she sat down. Lot of regular players did not tip in the high limit area. I remembered many dealers tried to avoid that area or tournaments because there was no money dealing those games.
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    October 25th, 2021 at 3:23:49 PM permalink
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    I’ve never worked for tips. I’ve been told that people who did work for tips in their younger years tend to be much bigger tippers in their older years.
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    I have been around many bartenders, cocktail waitresses, and various different tipped-based employees while gambling who I have got to know fairly well, they don't tip all that well on hand pays. I noticed in the 2% range. If they hit for 10k-20k they would give about $500.

    I bet the average waitress or waiter is not that generous when it comes to tipping. I would guess they tip less than the average tipper.

    I think women tip less than men.
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    My observations are just the opposite. Most bartenders and waitresses that I know way overtip. It is not unusual that they leave 10% tips on any cash out.
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    October 25th, 2021 at 4:32:04 PM permalink
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    I’ve never worked for tips. I’ve been told that people who did work for tips in their younger years tend to be much bigger tippers in their older years.
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    I have been around many bartenders, cocktail waitresses, and various different tipped-based employees while gambling who I have got to know fairly well, they don't tip all that well on hand pays. I noticed in the 2% range. If they hit for 10k-20k they would give about $500.

    I bet the average waitress or waiter is not that generous when it comes to tipping. I would guess they tip less than the average tipper.

    I think women tip less than men.
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    My observations are just the opposite. Most bartenders and waitresses that I know way overtip. It is not unusual that they leave 10% tips on any cash out.
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    Is that whenever they play at their own location?
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    October 25th, 2021 at 4:52:16 PM permalink
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    I’ve never worked for tips. I’ve been told that people who did work for tips in their younger years tend to be much bigger tippers in their older years.
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    I have been around many bartenders, cocktail waitresses, and various different tipped-based employees while gambling who I have got to know fairly well, they don't tip all that well on hand pays. I noticed in the 2% range. If they hit for 10k-20k they would give about $500.

    I bet the average waitress or waiter is not that generous when it comes to tipping. I would guess they tip less than the average tipper.

    I think women tip less than men.
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    My observations are just the opposite. Most bartenders and waitresses that I know way overtip. It is not unusual that they leave 10% tips on any cash out.
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    Is that whenever they play at their own location?
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    No, everywhere. They think that is the proper tip amount and that is what they expect from their customers.
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    October 25th, 2021 at 5:30:04 PM permalink
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    I’ve never worked for tips. I’ve been told that people who did work for tips in their younger years tend to be much bigger tippers in their older years.
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    I have been around many bartenders, cocktail waitresses, and various different tipped-based employees while gambling who I have got to know fairly well, they don't tip all that well on hand pays. I noticed in the 2% range. If they hit for 10k-20k they would give about $500.

    I bet the average waitress or waiter is not that generous when it comes to tipping. I would guess they tip less than the average tipper.

    I think women tip less than men.
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    My observations are just the opposite. Most bartenders and waitresses that I know way overtip. It is not unusual that they leave 10% tips on any cash out.
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    yes, it's called waiter's guilt
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    October 25th, 2021 at 5:32:38 PM permalink
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    October 25th, 2021 at 5:51:00 PM permalink
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    I’ve never worked for tips. I’ve been told that people who did work for tips in their younger years tend to be much bigger tippers in their older years.
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    I have been around many bartenders, cocktail waitresses, and various different tipped-based employees while gambling who I have got to know fairly well, they don't tip all that well on hand pays. I noticed in the 2% range. If they hit for 10k-20k they would give about $500.

    I bet the average waitress or waiter is not that generous when it comes to tipping. I would guess they tip less than the average tipper.

    I think women tip less than men.
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    My observations are just the opposite. Most bartenders and waitresses that I know way overtip. It is not unusual that they leave 10% tips on any cash out.
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    Is that whenever they play at their own location?
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    No, everywhere. They think that is the proper tip amount and that is what they expect from their customers.
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    I just wasn't seeing that on jackpots and winnings. For instance, it was fairly standard back in the day at casinos you could plat at as an employee to give $20 on a 1k royal and that's what most all the employees would normally give, occasionally $30 -$40.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 8:49:47 AM permalink
    Getting ridiculed for not tipping for people who merely verified the wins and filled out forms for you and brought you money you won as part of their job requirements is absurd. Do you tip the bank teller who gave you your money when you do withdrawals?
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    October 26th, 2021 at 12:01:26 PM permalink
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    Getting ridiculed for not tipping for people who merely verified the wins and filled out forms for you and brought you money you won as part of their job requirements is absurd. Do you tip the bank teller who gave you your money when you do withdrawals?
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    You don't win at the bank. This is in reference whether how much you should tip after winning a jackpot. And as mentioned, there are some people who just don't tip at all or very little. Sounds like you are one of the non-tippers? I get it if some of these players are from a non-tipping country, as tipping is considered an insult in some countries. But yes, I think many people are cheap when it comes to tipping. Even major celebrities who are millionaires are cheap, and yes they are ridiculed for it. By the way, I don't tip at fast food joints, as their wages are not dependent on tips. Do I tip the ticket writer in the sportsbook, yes, if I had a nice winning ticket. Otherwise I may just have them keep the odd change or dollars if its a small cash. Oddly enough, I rarely tip the cashier, only because the casino I play at has huge lines, and they dont push the VIP line fast enough.

    At least in Nevada, once you step on that casino property, it's just a tipping environment. From Valet, to your housekeeper cleaning your room, to the person shining your shoes, to the bartenders, wait staff or dealers or chip runners in the poker room.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 12:43:01 PM permalink
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    You don't win at the bank.

    Maybe *you* don't win at the bank.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 2:44:09 PM permalink
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    Getting ridiculed for not tipping for people who merely verified the wins and filled out forms for you and brought you money you won as part of their job requirements is absurd. Do you tip the bank teller who gave you your money when you do withdrawals?
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    You don't win at the bank. This is in reference whether how much you should tip after winning a jackpot. And as mentioned, there are some people who just don't tip at all or very little. Sounds like you are one of the non-tippers? I get it if some of these players are from a non-tipping country, as tipping is considered an insult in some countries. But yes, I think many people are cheap when it comes to tipping. Even major celebrities who are millionaires are cheap, and yes they are ridiculed for it. By the way, I don't tip at fast food joints, as their wages are not dependent on tips. Do I tip the ticket writer in the sportsbook, yes, if I had a nice winning ticket. Otherwise I may just have them keep the odd change or dollars if its a small cash. Oddly enough, I rarely tip the cashier, only because the casino I play at has huge lines, and they dont push the VIP line fast enough.

    At least in Nevada, once you step on that casino property, it's just a tipping environment. From Valet, to your housekeeper cleaning your room, to the person shining your shoes, to the bartenders, wait staff or dealers or chip runners in the poker room.
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    So would you then say if you are nor winning at the time you hit a hand pay in a casino then you shouldn't tip? Let's say I'm down 4k and hit for a 2k jackpot.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 3:35:59 PM permalink
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    At least in Nevada, once you step on that casino property, it's just a tipping environment. From Valet, to your housekeeper cleaning your room, to the person shining your shoes, to the bartenders, wait staff or dealers or chip runners in the poker room.
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    What's the usual tip for the guy cleaning the water feature in the foyer?
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    October 26th, 2021 at 3:44:12 PM permalink
    Yes, it's fair to say if I'm still stuck or losing, even after hitting a jackpot for 2k, I'm not going to tip as much. Been there, done that. I'm also not going to be tipping the dealers very much if Im also losing at the tables. But I will always tip the poker dealer if I drag a pot, even if I'm losing but the pot has to be somewhat decent. Not going to tip for just stealing the blinds.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 4:47:49 PM permalink
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    … I will always tip the poker dealer if I drag a pot, even if I'm losing but the pot has to be somewhat decent. Not going to tip for just stealing the blinds.
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    That’s kinda where I was heading with this thread I started last week. At what point does a typical $1 poker dealer tip need to be $2? Or higher?
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    October 26th, 2021 at 5:16:05 PM permalink
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    Getting ridiculed for not tipping for people who merely verified the wins and filled out forms for you and brought you money you won as part of their job requirements is absurd.



    I'll tip craps dealers but no longer plan to tip slot attendants.

    The slot attendants can "do nothing for me," whereas I've had some payback from craps dealers after I 've tipped them: e.g. they might "mistakenly" forget to take down a hard way bet if it shows soft, or even leave come bets up after a natural on an ensuing come out roll.

    Don't tip "just because:" mull over the cost / benefit analysis involved, then decide.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 5:28:33 PM permalink
    Quote: MrV

    Don't tip "just because:" mull over the cost / benefit analysis involved, then decide.
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    The reason we tip is that the custom is for the customer to shoulder part of the cost of paying employees who would be poorly compensated without tips. Dealers and related staff make minimum wage or close to it. In many states, waitstaff make *less* than standard minimum wage. (There's a special minimum wage for tipped employees, often as low as $2.13/hr.) $8/hr. isn't fair compensation for a dealer who has to work in a smoky environment and endure regular abuse from customers.

    Sure, if I were selfish then not tipping means more money in my pocket. But people thinking only of themselves makes for a horrible world.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 5:47:00 PM permalink
    Quote: Vegasrider

    Yes, it's fair to say if I'm still stuck or losing, even after hitting a jackpot for 2k, I'm not going to tip as much. Been there, done that. I'm also not going to be tipping the dealers very much if Im also losing at the tables. But I will always tip the poker dealer if I drag a pot, even if I'm losing but the pot has to be somewhat decent. Not going to tip for just stealing the blinds.
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    You say, "As much."

    Why anything? How much do you feel is appropriate when you're losing?

    Let's think about this for a moment, if you're losing and you get a handpay you don't tip as much, But, now let's say you're winning big so you tip more, but over the course of the year, or whatever you're a big net loser. There are people that might be hitting jackpots frequently enough and still losing to where their tips could add up to a significant amount.

    As I mentioned before, I do tip on hand-pay pay jackpots, but as an advantage player, I'm in a unique position. I'm not super cheap, nor am I super generous, it really depends on the situation there are certainly times I have been overly generous and there have been times where I have been a little cheap.

    For the average person or someone that gambles frequently, I don't think I can fault them for not tipping on hand-pay jackpot.


    I will say this, slot floor people don't make very much money per year. I think I read somewhere before they make between 20 and 35 thousand a year if you don't include tips. I don't think they make very much in tips either.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 6:10:03 PM permalink
    Quote: MichaelBluejay

    Sure, if I were selfish then not tipping means more money in my pocket. But people thinking only of themselves makes for a horrible world.



    You can do what you want with your money, but don't label people who choose not to tip slot attendants as being "selfish."

    With few exceptions slot players are lifetime losers who need every penny to keep their action going.

    If the attendants don't like it they can get a new job, or maybe unionize / light a fire under their union's rear end to get their wages increased.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 6:51:50 PM permalink
    I quit smoking, but if I have to hear, “Smoky environment,” one more time, I’m going to choke.

    I worked in a distribution center before, if an RR corners too tightly and hits one of the racks…I’m dead. If not dead, then I’d wish I had died…THAT is an occupational hazard. Someone DID die in the one where I worked, few months after I left, though.

    Don’t like it? Don’t work in a distribution center. Did these dealers not notice the smoke when they brought their application in or made their way to the office for the interview?

    Don’t like the smoke? Go apply for a grocery store job. Or a distribution center.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 7:18:06 PM permalink
    Quote: Mission146

    Don’t like it? Don’t work in a distribution center.
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    So I guess you're okay with all the children who got mangled and killed during the industrial revolution because of dangerous working conditions? Stupid kids, they should have gotten jobs elsewhere.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 7:45:18 PM permalink
    Quote: MichaelBluejay

    Quote: Mission146

    Don’t like it? Don’t work in a distribution center.
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    So I guess you're okay with all the children who got mangled and killed during the industrial revolution because of dangerous working conditions? Stupid kids, they should have gotten jobs elsewhere.
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    While I see the continuity of argument, that's quite a stretch.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 7:51:11 PM permalink
    Quote: MichaelBluejay

    Quote: Mission146

    Don’t like it? Don’t work in a distribution center.
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    So I guess you're okay with all the children who got mangled and killed during the industrial revolution because of dangerous working conditions? Stupid kids, they should have gotten jobs elsewhere.
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    I'm comparing not wanting to knowingly (as in, before you even applied for the job, you knew smoking was allowed) be around second-hand smoke to working in a distribution center...a job in which you know you are working in conditions that have the potential to be immediately life-threatening or can present an imminent risk of serious physical injury. Both being choices, of course, made by adults as one must be an adult to work in a casino or the distribution center to which I reference.

    I'm not sure what kids have to do with anything. I was not alive at that time to opine, and furthermore, minors could not work at either place being discussed...which renders any reference to minors immediately moot.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 8:12:27 PM permalink
    Well, adults were mangled and killed, too.

    The point is, where do we draw the line between "a dangerous work environment is exploitation" and "it's the workers' fault for choosing to work in an unsafe environment"?
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    October 26th, 2021 at 9:43:06 PM permalink
    Quote: MichaelBluejay

    Well, adults were mangled and killed, too.

    The point is, where do we draw the line between "a dangerous work environment is exploitation" and "it's the workers' fault for choosing to work in an unsafe environment"?
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    Easy: the operative word is "free will."

    Slot attendants willingly apply to work at a casino, most having considered and rejected other possible employers.

    In contrast, the seven year old kid tending a machine 14 hours a day in the early 1800's had no other viable options.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 10:08:59 PM permalink
    Like I said, adults were mangled and killed, too.

    If someone can't get a job anywhere else besides an unhealthy or dangerous environment, is it still that person's fault for taking the job?

    Exactly how low does the unemployment rate have to be before you stop blaming workers for working in unhealthy or dangerous environments?
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    October 26th, 2021 at 10:35:35 PM permalink
    One would think that if in fact the level of unhealthiness in the working conditions were unacceptably dangerous then the state / OSHA would intervene.

    I agree second hand smoke is a bad thing, but the government allows state regulated casinos to permit its addicted patrons to smoke: that's reality.

    No casino workers had a gun held to their head when they were hired: they knew the risks and assumed them in hiring on.

    In a perfect world make all casinos non-smoking.
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    October 26th, 2021 at 11:08:12 PM permalink
    You didn't answer my questions.

    If someone can't get a job anywhere else besides an unhealthy or dangerous environment, is it still that person's fault for taking the job?

    Exactly how low does the unemployment rate have to be before you stop blaming workers for working in unhealthy or dangerous environments?
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    October 26th, 2021 at 11:37:56 PM permalink
    You ask two questions.

    1: No.

    But then, that is not the situation anywhere in America, including Las Vegas.

    2: Why blame the workers?

    NO matter the unemployment rate there are always jobs outside of casinos or in a non-smoking casino environment (behind the scenes, off the casino floor).
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    October 27th, 2021 at 4:16:47 AM permalink
    Quote: MichaelBluejay


    If someone can't get a job anywhere else besides an unhealthy or dangerous environment, is it still that person's fault for taking the job?

    YES!
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    October 27th, 2021 at 4:45:21 AM permalink
    MB, your question is complex. You want governments to regulate industry to make jobs ‘reasonably’ safe. To me, being President as an example can never be made such. Have around 8% been murdered? Cops, firemen, boxers…. all will be riskier than web site managers.

    It’s really a political discussion as to how much to regulate a workplace. I’m not in the mood to be suspended today.
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    October 27th, 2021 at 5:17:43 AM permalink
    Quote: Vegasrider

    Can't believe so many members on this forum is so cheap when it comes to tipping. Embarrassing.
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    It is a matter of who do you tip and why. A dealer makes waitress minimum and is giving a service and interaction.

    A slot attendant is a cashier and is just a cashier. No tip should be expected.
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