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September 9th, 2021 at 11:19:40 AM permalink
Vital Vegas is chastising a player for tipping $200 on a $1 million win.

For those who believe in tipping, how much do you think is appropriate to tip on a $1M win?

(If you don't believe in tipping, this thread is not for you. The rest of us are already painfully aware that many of you don't believe in tipping.)

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Responses so far: (median is $1000)
• $200 (SOOPOO, p. 1)
• $400 (Dieter, low limit of $400-1000 range, p. 2)
• $500 (FinsRule, low limit of $500-1000 range, p. 2; $2000 for a dealer)\
• $700 (100xOdds, low limit of $700-7200 range, p. 2, 2nd post)
• $1000 (billryan, p. 1)
• $1000 (Dieter, high limit of $400-1000 range, p. 2)
• $1000 (FinsRule, high limit of $500-1000 range, p. 2; $2000 for a dealer)

• $2000 (Wizard, p. 1)
• $2000 (jml24, p. 5)
• $5000 (rsactuary, p. 1)
• $5000 - $20,000 (ZCore13, p. 1)
• $7200 (100xOdds, high limit of $700-7200 range, p. 2, 2nd post)
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September 9th, 2021 at 11:37:58 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Vital Vegas is chastising a player for tipping $200 on a $1 million win.

For those who believe in tipping, how much do you think is appropriate to tip on a $1M win?

(If you don't believe in tipping, this thread is not for you. The rest of us are already painfully aware that many of you don't believe in tipping.)

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    This was just discussed in another thread, but…I immediately cut the win down to $650,000 due to taxes. But I generally don’t tip according to my win or loss. I tip around $5 an hour at a table game, and add a few more dollars when I leave.

    If it is a place I go to frequently and they ‘know’ me I probably tip $500. If I am in Las Vegas the $200 sounds about right. I hate two aspects of this tip…. One is that it is truly a random event winning the jackpot that the dealer had no effect on. The other is that if I actually wanted to share with the friendly dealer, he gets 1/50th of my tip or whatever his share is.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 11:53:40 AM permalink
    Thanks. I didn't see another thread about tipping on a $1M win. I saw the thread about the $1M win, but tipping wasn't discussed much, if at all, in that thread. Is there another thread I'm missing?

    Your amount is similar to what I list in my Tipping Guide: For hand pays, 0.5-1%, max $500.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 3:09:54 PM permalink
    Quote: MichaelBluejay

    Vital Vegas is chastising a player for tipping $200 on a $1 million win.

    For those who believe in tipping, how much do you think is appropriate to tip on a $1M win?

    (If you don't believe in tipping, this thread is not for you. The rest of us are already painfully aware that many of you don't believe in tipping.)

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    Nevada service employees try to brainwash people into believing that 10% is the standard tip amount. My thought has always been if the tip amount I leave is going to have the dealer telling his friend about this cheapskate that won a jackpot, then I will leave $0 and make the story even better for the dealer.

    I once left a $2500 tip to be split between two bartenders. I know that is crazy but these two bartenders are friends of mine and we socialize together.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 4:07:59 PM permalink
    I'd tip about $2,000, or 0.2%. That seems right to me. I've maintained the proper tip on a hand pay is 0.5% to 2%, the larger the jackpot, the smaller the percentage.

    However, in this case the win is so huge that going down to 0.2% seems justifiable.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 4:14:48 PM permalink
    Quote: MichaelBluejay

    Vital Vegas is chastising a player for tipping $200 on a $1 million win.

    For those who believe in tipping, how much do you think is appropriate to tip on a $1M win?

    (If you don't believe in tipping, this thread is not for you. The rest of us are already painfully aware that many of you don't believe in tipping.)

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    Depending on how the dealer acted prior to the jackpot and whether or not they keep their own, I'd tip anywhere from $5,000 -$20,000.


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    September 9th, 2021 at 4:22:59 PM permalink
    yeah the $5000 amount seems right to me.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 4:38:36 PM permalink
    My first thought was $1,000. It's not something I've thought about and doubt I will in the future
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    September 9th, 2021 at 6:15:48 PM permalink
    Corner store near me sold a Million dollar ticket on the 649 lottery think powerball type lottery

    Guy gets the whole million here no taxes

    Guy is a regular customer that picks up a coffee and paper each day on way to work. Three full time cashier's each got $500. The one told me he was so cheap he only got $500.... Ticket was sold on that cashier day
    off

    Don't matter what you give never be enough ... $500 would be almost a weeks wages take home as they make $17 a hr
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    September 9th, 2021 at 8:52:58 PM permalink
    Quote: coilman

    Corner store near me sold a Million dollar ticket on the 649 lottery think powerball type lottery

    Guy gets the whole million here no taxes

    Guy is a regular customer that picks up a coffee and paper each day on way to work. Three full time cashier's each got $500. The one told me he was so cheap he only got $500.... Ticket was sold on that cashier day
    off

    Don't matter what you give never be enough ... $500 would be almost a weeks wages take home as they make $17 a hr

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    In NY, the store that sells the winning prize get a pretty nice payout that is supposed to be shared with the employees.
    In California, the retailer who sells a winning ticket can get awarded up to one million dollars and it has happened . In that case, the retailer should be tipping the winner.
    The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 9:01:22 PM permalink
    So a $20 tip per $5,000 win with a $200 limit at $50K?
    I could make it $5 per $1,000 if my calculating isn't working.
    If I expect my tip to come from my Players Card points balance, I should tip $5 per $3,000.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 4:05:22 AM permalink
    Quote: ChumpChange

    If I expect my tip to come from my Players Card points balance, I should tip $5 per $3,000.



  • Interesting idea to mention the slot club rate.
    If they value my action at $0.01 per $10, that's a $1000 tip on $1000000.
    If they value my action at $0.01 per $25, that's $400.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 4:09:37 AM permalink
    Quote: ChumpChange

    So a $20 tip per $5,000 win with a $200 limit at $50K?
    I could make it $5 per $1,000 if my calculating isn't working.
    If I expect my tip to come from my Players Card points balance, I should tip $5 per $3,000.

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    I'm not really suggesting anyone tipp or not tip anymore than they want to.

    With that being said, I do think AP's should tipp, it's better for all AP's both in the short term and the long run.



    If you wan't to be precived as a fair tipper $20 on 5k is too low, espesilly if its some rare lucky hit. I would say at least $40-$75 that goes for both AP's and the avrage person. I don't have some exact forumla, I just assess the situation at the time and try to balance keeping as much money in my poket as i can, while making them just happy enough. A large part of that depends on what kind of advantage and what the odds are of hitting the jackpot. If its somthing that rarly comes up and you, it's not really going to eat into your profit all that much.

    The guys in my crew all tipp fairly well compaired to many others.

    Obviously, if you are playing a higher limit game where the jackpots are frequent... then all bets are off. If I'm in that situation, I give them a little somthing upfront and let them know ill take care of them more at the end based on how well I do.

    I they are aware of the situation and don't think they expect it. There are going to be some people who don't really realize just how much money one is jamming on the machines, they just see someone hitting a ton of jackpots and think you must be doing really well.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 4:33:42 AM permalink
    Tipping on a slot/video poker machine is different than with a dealer.

    I’m not even sure how the procedure works. I can’t imagine they just hand you a million dollars while you’re sitting at the machine. So you’re probably giving whatever you have in your wallet.

    At the table, it’s definitely easier to ask for chips out of your jackpot. Or they are giving you all chips and it’s easy to just give a high denom chip to a dealer.

    That being said… Probably $500-$1000 on a machine. Around $2000 to a dealer.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 5:05:10 AM permalink
    On a slot win the tip should be $0.

    You tip a dealer because they are paid the "waitress minimum" and are doing some actual service. A slot attendant is neither, to tip them is to tip the bank teller.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 5:47:10 AM permalink
    Quote: MichaelBluejay

    Vital Vegas is chastising a player for tipping $200 on a $1 million win.

    For those who believe in tipping, how much do you think is appropriate to tip on a $1M win?

    (If you don't believe in tipping, this thread is not for you. The rest of us are already painfully aware that many of you don't believe in tipping.)

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    Responses so far:
    • $200
    • $1000
    • $2000
    • $5000
    • $5000 - $20,000

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    I ask for check with fed taxes taken out (28%?).
    So we're down to $720k.

    Slot attendant will see the $720k number and will now no longer expect a tip based on $1M.
    1% of that is $700.

    Or if I have less than $700 left, then whatever that amount is and explain that's all the cash I have left.

    Edit:
    Or whatever cash is left in the machine.
    Ie: give the tip as a slot ticket

    Yeah I like the slot ticket tip the best , if over $200 but below $700.

    If total of slot ticket and cash on me is under$200, then give both and explain that's all I have on me.
    And show empty wallet


    Edit2:
    The person who wrote the vital vegas article sounds like a tipping apologist and an idiot.

    In addition to tipping the dealer on the big win:

    "Bathroom attendants, valets, security guards and
    cage cashiers all contributed to your unforgettable night, feel free to lavish them with cash as you see fit."

    What a moron.
    And if he was being sarcastic, then he sucks as a writer
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    September 10th, 2021 at 5:54:24 AM permalink
    Quote: 100xOdds

    Quote: MichaelBluejay

    Vital Vegas is chastising a player for tipping $200 on a $1 million win.

    For those who believe in tipping, how much do you think is appropriate to tip on a $1M win?

    (If you don't believe in tipping, this thread is not for you. The rest of us are already painfully aware that many of you don't believe in tipping.)

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    • $200
    • $1000
    • $2000
    • $5000
    • $5000 - $20,000

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    I ask for check with fed taxes taken out (28%?).
    So we're down to $720k.

    1% of that is $700.



    1% is $7,200.


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    September 10th, 2021 at 6:05:49 AM permalink
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    On a slot win the tip should be $0.

    You tip a dealer because they are paid the "waitress minimum" and are doing some actual service. A slot attendant is neither, to tip them is to tip the bank teller.

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    in my state, poker dealers get less than fed minimum but I think regular table dealers gets more than the fed minimum pay.

    Also, in poker, I tip $1 with every pot won. (I play the minimum stakes)
    With table games (ie: craps), I only tip if I'm up at the end of the session.

    Also, in one of my casinos, the slot attendant doesn't even wait for me to tip them.
    They hand me the cash/check then immediately leave.

    At another casino (mgm), if the amount won was $1620, they would bring me 15 one hundred dollar bills and 6 twenties.

    So the greedy slot attendant not so subtly wants at least $40 tip.
    Whenever they do that, I tip $0!
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    September 10th, 2021 at 6:15:46 AM permalink
    Quote: Zcore13

    Quote: 100xOdds

    i ask for check with fed taxes taken out (28%?).
    So we're down to $720k.

    1% of that is $700.

    1% is $7,200.

    whoops.
    Then I'll give whatever's left on the slot ticket as tip if it's under $7200.
    If it's less than $700, then add enough cash to make it $700
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    September 10th, 2021 at 6:26:12 AM permalink
    Quote: 100xOdds

    in my state, poker dealers get less than fed minimum but I think regular table dealers gets more than the fed minimum pay.



    Last I heard in my state most dealers get the waitress minimum with a few getting $0.50 to $1 more.

    Quote:

    Also, in poker, I tip $1 with every pot won. (I play the minimum stakes)
    With table games (ie: craps), I only tip if I'm up at the end of the session.



    I tip poker per won pot, as do most players since the dealers both rotate and go for their own. I tip BJ dealers by getting some whites and playing for them at irregular intervals, just when I feel like it.

    Quote:

    At another casino (mgm), if the amount won was $1620, they would bring me 15 one hundred dollar bills and 6 twenties.



    That is just smart. When I was in craps school they told us about making sure players had enough whites and reds to throw a toke. I did not need it explained, but some people I guess did. A few of the class had been waitresses and knew to do this right off. Some it was an "aha!" moment. Yeah, if you can possibly get a tip you do this.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 6:33:44 AM permalink
    Quote: AZDuffman

    Quote: 100xOdds


    At another casino (mgm), if the amount won was $1620, they would bring me 15 one hundred dollar bills and 6 twenties.


    That is just smart. When I was in craps school they told us about making sure players had enough whites and reds to throw a toke.
    I did not need it explained, but some people I guess did. A few of the class had been waitresses and knew to do this right off. Some it was an "aha!" moment.
    Yeah, if you can possibly get a tip you do this.
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    Smart?!?
    what's wrong with 16 one hundred dollar bills and a single $20?
    I would have tipped the $20 by giving me that logical amount of bills.

    By appearing greedy by giving me 6 twenties to expect at least a $40 tip, she got $0 and not even a thank you from me.
    Hopefully she got the hint not to do that again

    Edit:
    If my win was exactly $1600 and she bought 15 100s and 5 20s, then I would understand. And tipped $20
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    September 10th, 2021 at 6:43:40 AM permalink
    Quote: AZDuffman

    On a slot win the tip should be $0.

    You tip a dealer because they are paid the "waitress minimum" and are doing some actual service. A slot attendant is neither, to tip them is to tip the bank teller.

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    And if a slot attendant is being paied min wage they should be tipped? And if a dealer is being paied more than min they shouldnt be tipped? What if a poker room mannager is sitting in for a dealer should you now not tipp him or tipp less since he mkes mannagment wages?
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    September 10th, 2021 at 6:47:59 AM permalink
    Quote: 100xOdds

    Quote: AZDuffman


    Quote (100xOdds):
    At another casino (mgm), if the amount won was $1620, they would bring me 15 one hundred dollar bills and 6 twenties. /quote

    That is just smart. When I was in craps school they told us about making sure players had enough whites and reds to throw a toke.
    I did not need it explained, but some people I guess did. A few of the class had been waitresses and knew to do this right off. Some it was an "aha!" moment.
    Yeah, if you can possibly get a tip you do this.

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    Smart?!?
    what's wrong with 16 one hundred dollar bills and a single $20?
    I would have tipped the $20 by giving me that logical amount of bills.

    By appearing greedy by giving me 6 twenties to expect at least a $40 tip, she got $0 and not even a thank you from me.
    Hopefully she got the hint not to do that again

    Edit:
    If my win was exactly $1600 and she bought 15 100s and 5 20s, then I would understand. And tipped $20
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    Some places it's standard policy that they break one of the bills. Oftentimes, the slot attendant gets the jackpot money from the cashier and its the cashier who autmatiuclly breaks one bill down.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 6:53:38 AM permalink
    Quote: AxelWolf

    Quote: 100xOdds

    Smart?!?
    what's wrong with 16 one hundred dollar bills and a single $20?
    I would have tipped the $20 by giving me that logical amount of bills.

    By appearing greedy by giving me 6 twenties to expect at least a $40 tip, she got $0 and not even a thank you from me.
    Hopefully she got the hint not to do that again

    Edit:
    If my win was exactly $1600 and she bought 15 100s and 5 20s, then I would understand. And tipped $20

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    Some places it's standard policy that they break one of the bills.
    Oftentimes, the slot attendant gets the jackpot money from the cashier and its the cashier who autmatiuclly breaks one bill down.
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    whats the reason for this being standard policy?

    Incidentally, at that mgm casino, they have bought me the logical amount of bills for other jackpots.
    Ie: $1514
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    September 10th, 2021 at 6:58:03 AM permalink
    Quote: 100xOdds

    Quote: AxelWolf

    Quote: 100xOdds

    Smart?!?
    what's wrong with 16 one hundred dollar bills and a single $20?
    I would have tipped the $20 by giving me that logical amount of bills.

    By appearing greedy by giving me 6 twenties to expect at least a $40 tip, she got $0 and not even a thank you from me.
    Hopefully she got the hint not to do that again

    Edit:
    If my win was exactly $1600 and she bought 15 100s and 5 20s, then I would understand. And tipped $20

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    Some places it's standard policy that they break one of the bills. Oftentimes, the slot attendant gets the jackpot money from the cashier and its the cashier who autmatiuclly breaks one bill down.
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    whats the reason for this being standard policy?

    Incidentally, at the mgm casino, they have bought me the logical amount of bills for other jackpots.
    Ie: $1514
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    Probably so you can tip, LOL. Perhaps, to entise gamblers not to walk away who don't notmally put in $100 bills at a time. Some people just want a bill broken. Obviously, they should just ask you how u want it.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:19:40 AM permalink
    Quote: 100xOdds

    Smart?!?
    what's wrong with 16 one hundred dollar bills and a single $20?
    I would have tipped the $20 by giving me that logical amount of bills.

    By appearing greedy by giving me 6 twenties to expect at least a $40 tip, she got $0 and not even a thank you from me.
    Hopefully she got the hint not to do that again

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    It could be a sincere courtesy.
    Suppose the attendant is getting a $20 tip either way.

    Now you have some smaller bills, in case you don't want to hand the valet a $100 or get change.
    May the cards fall in your favor.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:20:26 AM permalink
    Would you go in and give the casino restaurant waitress or waiter 1% of $1,000,000 also? Why does the job of slot attendant require it?
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:21:46 AM permalink
    When you hits the millions dollar hands, you tips the fifty large, hey hey!

    I don't know. Easy for me to say, since I'll likely never have to worry about it.

    I think the highest hit I'd ever currently have a ridiculously outside shot at, in theory, is $720,000.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:25:19 AM permalink
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    By appearing greedy by giving me 6 twenties to expect at least a $40 tip...

    I think that's presumptuous. It might not be that the slot attendant expected it, but rather that lots of players would *want* to tip more than $20, so they're making it easy. And has been pointed out, it's convenient to have some twenties whether you use them to tip or not. I could easily see myself as the slot attendant, not expecting a $40 tip, but still giving lots of 20's for the above reasons, and not being put off at all if I got tipped only $20.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:33:17 AM permalink
    Maybe you guys are all loaded, but my life (after taxes and 50k tip) is still going to be changed more by the more than half a million bucks than the 50k tip is going to change the recipient's life.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:44:14 AM permalink
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    I think that's presumptuous. It might not be that the slot attendant expected it, but rather that lots of players would *want* to tip more than $20, so they're making it easy.
    And has been pointed out, it's convenient to have some twenties whether you use them to tip or not. I could easily see myself as the slot attendant, not expecting a $40 tip, but still giving lots of 20's for the above reasons, and not being put off at all if I got tipped only $20.

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    out of the many casinos that i've received hand pays, that mgm is the only one that did that.

    and as i said, that mgm also handed me the logical amount of bills for other hand pays. (ie: $1514)
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:45:03 AM permalink
    Quote: Mission146

    Maybe you guys are all loaded, but my life (after taxes and 50k tip) is still going to be changed more by the more than half a million bucks than the 50k tip is going to change the recipient's life.

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    If I'm already playing $1200 a pull (or hand) I probably have the capability to tip more and never miss it. Especially, if I've been playing for a couple hours.

    Or maybe I'm down to my last million. Who knows. I base tipping on more than one factor.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:46:07 AM permalink
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    I ask for check with fed taxes taken out (28%?).

    Highest marginal bracket in the U.S. is 37%, and $1M would put you in that bracket. But it's a marginal bracket.

    Median household income is $62k. So $1,062,000 in income, less $24,800 standard deduction, is $1,037,200. Federal income taxes on $1,037,200 for married filing jointly:

    10% bracket: $1975
    12% bracket: $7260
    22% bracket: $19,976
    24% bracket: $37,372
    32% bracket: $28,192
    35% bracket: $72,572
    37% bracket: $153,605
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    $320,952 total taxes

    Of that, $4069 is from the $62k in income, so taxes attributable to the jackpot is $316,883.

    So, the tax rate is 31.7% for the federal portion. If you have state taxes, then there's that, too.

    Ignoring possible state taxes, 0.5% of the after-tax amount of $683,117 would be $3416, which is in the ballpark of what others have suggested.

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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:48:46 AM permalink
    Quote: Mission146

    Maybe you guys are all loaded, but my life (after taxes and 50k tip) is still going to be changed more by the more than half a million bucks than the 50k tip is going to change the recipient's life.

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    if you won $720k (after taxes), you're going to take cash?
    if not, how are you going to tip $50k?

    also, if i was going to tip 5 figures, i would ask the casino to reduce my prize to $950k and give the slot slot attendant $50k so s/he would deal with those taxes.

    (like it's sometimes done in poker when someone hits a $100k+ bad beat jackpot.)
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:53:04 AM permalink
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    Maybe you guys are all loaded, but my life (after taxes and 50k tip) is still going to be changed more by the more than half a million bucks than the 50k tip is going to change the recipient's life.

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    If I'm already playing $1200 a pull (or hand) I probably have the capability to tip more and never miss it. Especially, if I've been playing for a couple hours.

    Or maybe I'm down to my last million. Who knows. I base tipping on more than one factor.
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    That's why I'd never have to worry about it, I don't think. Not a million, anyway. I'm not sure there's a, 'Vulture,' machine where that could even happen. There probably is somewhere, but not around me.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:55:02 AM permalink
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    Ignoring possible state taxes, 0.5% of the after-tax amount of $683,117 would be $3416, which is in the ballpark of what others have suggested.

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    sure.. $3.4k would be mid-point to my 'whatever's left on the slot ticket' tip range of $700 to $7200
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:58:07 AM permalink
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    Quote: Mission146

    Maybe you guys are all loaded, but my life (after taxes and 50k tip) is still going to be changed more by the more than half a million bucks than the 50k tip is going to change the recipient's life.

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    if you won $720k (after taxes), you're going to take cash?
    if not, how are you going to tip $50k?

    also, if i was going to tip 5 figures, i would ask the casino to reduce my prize to $950k and give the slot slot attendant $50k so s/he would deal with those taxes.

    (like it's sometimes done in poker when someone hits a $100k+ bad beat jackpot.)
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    Hmm...I didn't think about that. I probably would take cash, though. I don't think I would have taxes taken out on the spot, unless they absolutely have to at that time.

    I'm not sure that I would tip the 50k on the premises, because then others know the slot attendants are walking around with that sort of money when they leave work. I would hope that the casino wouldn't mind them giving me their information so I could arrange to compensate them elsewhere, probably over dinner, but I guess I would have to tip them in cash if the casino wouldn't allow that or they were crazy enough not to want to give me their phone numbers to arrange this. If they refused their phone numbers (as opposed to the casino making them refuse), then I guess they can settle for $2,500 apiece. If they won't have dinner with me for $25,000, then screw them anyway.

    Why do I want to make sure the attendants pay taxes on it? They're legally obligated to, of course, but that's none of my concern whether they actually do it or not.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:04:02 AM permalink
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    That's why I'd never have to worry about it, I don't think. Not a million, anyway. I'm not sure there's a, 'Vulture,' machine where that could even happen. There probably is somewhere, but not around me.

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    i've seen $5 'Ult X' tdb 10play.
    dealt awk would be $20k x 10 = $200k
    with an avg of 5x multipliers = $1M

    so you only need to find such a machine with that many multipliers AND be dealt a Royal or equivalent.
    easy peasy. :)
    easier than winning 2nd prize in MegaMillions/Powerball(?)

    /cue Mathlete to do that calcs for that :)
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:11:09 AM permalink
    Quote: Mission146

    Why do I want to make sure the attendants pay taxes on it? They're legally obligated to, of course, but that's none of my concern whether they actually do it or not.

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    $1M prize.
    you accept $950k (and are only taxed on 950k).
    the slot attendant gets the other $50k. you dont care how s/he handles the taxes.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:32:18 AM permalink
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    In addition to tipping the dealer on the big win:

    "Bathroom attendants, valets, security guards and
    cage cashiers all contributed to your unforgettable night, feel free to lavish them with cash as you see fit."

    What a moron.
    And if he was being sarcastic, then he sucks as a writer

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    I disagree, he doesn't say that you should tip but I normally leave the bathroom attendant a $1 I would probably leave a $5 tip if I had just won a big jackpot. The valet driver would get a slightly bigger tip than normal too.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:42:00 AM permalink
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    On a slot win the tip should be $0.

    You tip a dealer because they are paid the "waitress minimum" and are doing some actual service. A slot attendant is neither, to tip them is to tip the bank teller.

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    And if a slot attendant is being paied min wage they should be tipped? And if a dealer is being paied more than min they shouldnt be tipped? What if a poker room mannager is sitting in for a dealer should you now not tipp him or tipp less since he mkes mannagment wages?
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    I doubt the slot manager is being paid minimum as it is not a regular tipped job.

    Dealers are a tipped position.

    The poker room manager I only saw happen once. Was not my table but IIRC he was just filling in for a break so probably did not have a tip box. A management employee taking tips like that creates a few issues.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:43:46 AM permalink
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    I'd tip about $2,000, or 0.2%. That seems right to me. I've maintained the proper tip on a hand pay is 0.5% to 2%, the larger the jackpot, the smaller the percentage.

    However, in this case the win is so huge that going down to 0.2% seems justifiable.

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    I was initially going to say $500 but the Wizard's answer convinced me that $2000 is good. I definitely wouldn't go higher. I am a low roller so the only thing I have ever hit requiring a hand pay was a quarter VP progressive for about $1300 for which I gave $20 (about 1.5%). Really the only reason for a hand pay is the IRS so I am actually tipping for IRS-reported income whereas a normal $1000 VP jackpot I can just cash the ticket in a machine with no IRS reporting and no tip.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:47:10 AM permalink
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    Quote: Wizard

    I'd tip about $2,000, or 0.2%. That seems right to me. I've maintained the proper tip on a hand pay is 0.5% to 2%, the larger the jackpot, the smaller the percentage.

    However, in this case the win is so huge that going down to 0.2% seems justifiable.

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    I was initially going to say $500 but the Wizard's answer convinced me that $2000 is good. I definitely wouldn't go higher. I am a low roller so the only thing I have ever hit requiring a hand pay was a quarter VP progressive for about $1300 for which I gave $20 (about 1.5%). Really the only reason for a hand pay is the IRS so I am actually tipping for IRS-reported income whereas a normal $1000 VP jackpot I can just cash the ticket in a machine with no IRS reporting and no tip.
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    Of course, I'm sure you still claim all of those wins on your taxes even though they were not reported by the casino.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:51:38 AM permalink
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    Quote: Mission146

    That's why I'd never have to worry about it, I don't think. Not a million, anyway. I'm not sure there's a, 'Vulture,' machine where that could even happen. There probably is somewhere, but not around me.

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    i've seen $5 'Ult X' tdb 10play.
    dealt awk would be $20k x 10 = $200k
    with an avg of 5x multipliers = $1M

    so you only need to find such a machine with that many multipliers AND be dealt a Royal or equivalent.
    easy peasy. :)
    easier than winning 2nd prize in MegaMillions/Powerball(?)

    /cue Mathlete to do that calcs for that :)
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    The probabilities are already listed on the websites for those lottery games, and the probability of my winning any prize in those is zero.

    My best theoretical Ultimate X opportunity (by cash outcome) is Triple-Play $5 denomination, which is where my $720,000 comes from and assumes a 12x multiplier:

    $20,000 * 3 * 12 = $720,000
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:53:33 AM permalink
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    Why do I want to make sure the attendants pay taxes on it? They're legally obligated to, of course, but that's none of my concern whether they actually do it or not.

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    $1M prize.
    you accept $950k (and are only taxed on 950k).
    the slot attendant gets the other $50k. you dont care how s/he handles the taxes.
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    I don't care if I end up paying the taxes on the other 50k.  I'm really not worried about it. What I am giving them is a pittance compared to what I am getting.

    I'm making the tip cash for a reason. They can decide whether or not they wish to report a 25k (each) tip. They are legally required to report it. I do not care whether or not they report it.

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    September 10th, 2021 at 9:11:22 AM permalink
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    (If you don't believe in tipping, this thread is not for you. The rest of us are already painfully aware that many of you don't believe in tipping.)



    I don't feel bad about it since I believe people should just get paid by the business if they're worth more to the business or extra service should be itemized. What's wrong with having extra service itemized instead of delivered whether you want it or not?

    $2.00 if you want your pizza delivered priority. Sorry, I won't derail with any further comment on this. But you implied for some reason it should be considered painful. Maybe, but not in all cases.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 10:04:45 AM permalink
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    In NY, the store that sells the winning prize get a pretty nice payout that is supposed to be shared with the employees.
    In California, the retailer who sells a winning ticket can get awarded up to one million dollars and it has happened . In that case, the retailer should be tipping the winner.

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    Store here gets money too. I think they said $5000. But these workers are only employees ,the store is owned by the corporation which keeps that money . None of it is shared with the workers
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    September 10th, 2021 at 12:02:46 PM permalink
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    Store here gets money too. I think they said $5000. But these workers are only employees ,the store is owned by the corporation which keeps that money . None of it is shared with the workers

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    This bothers me. If I won $1,000,000 on a lottery ticket and the store owner got a $5,000 bonus, I wouldn't tip squat. It would bother me if the store owner didn't let the bonus trickle down the workers, but that wouldn't make it my problem to do so.

    On a related note, I was playing craps at the Mohegan Sun (formerly Hard Rock) with a friend who loves sucker bets. She made one on the Fielder's Choice, despite my lecturing, and won. At the Mohegan Sun they pay the dealers a Lucky George bonus of 20% of the bet amount on a win. What happened after she won is the dealer's quietly dropped a buck in the tip box. Then my friend tipped them again, which they accepted happily. I couldn't not say anything so I tried to stop her, saying they already got tipped automatically. She said she didn't know that, but wanted to make her own gesture of appreciation.

    For this reason and the lottery story, I think the intent with automatic tips is being abused. When game inventors come to me and want to implement a Lucky George feature in their game, I try to talk them out of it.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 12:12:53 PM permalink
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    For this reason and the lottery story, I think the intent with automatic tips is being abused. When game inventors come to me and want to implement a Lucky George feature in their game, I try to talk them out of it.

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    I do not see it any different than management getting a bonus based on Prop Bet play.
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    Hi limit slot players with fast pay generally tip nothing. There is no one to tip. The money is automatically credited to their tito.

    Hand pay is an antiquated system that should end. Takes too much time. Is done in public. Machine is locked up for 10-15 minutes. With technology flooding the market…hand pay should disappear soon enough.
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