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March 27th, 2019 at 4:55:51 PM permalink
Here are some results for an 86% game. As to the wilds, I recommend playing with any already wild reel. In looking at it more carefully, if you have reel 5 wild only and no coins, then don't play. However, it is marginal to complicate the strategy rules for both coins and wilds.

That said, for an 86% game, I recommend playing with at least two wilds in the first three reels.

Initial coin patern Win per session Avg spins
0--0--0--0--0
0--0--0--0--1
0--0--0--1--0
0--0--0--1--1
0--0--1--0--0
0--0--1--0--1
0--0--1--1--0
0--0--1--1--1
0--1--0--0--0
0--1--0--0--1
0--1--0--1--0
0--1--0--1--1
0--1--1--0--0 0.75 10.86
0--1--1--0--1 1.08 11.09
0--1--1--1--0 1.79 11.08
0--1--1--1--1 2.45 11.29
1--0--0--0--0
1--0--0--0--1
1--0--0--1--0
1--0--0--1--1
1--0--1--0--0 0.73 10.85
1--0--1--0--1 1.07 11.08
1--0--1--1--0 1.77 11.08
1--0--1--1--1 2.41 11.29
1--1--0--0--0 0.87 10.86
1--1--0--0--1 1.23 11.07
1--1--0--1--0 1.91 11.07
1--1--0--1--1 2.57 11.30
1--1--1--0--0 3.82 12.94
1--1--1--0--1 4.48 13.07
1--1--1--1--0 5.61 13.08
1--1--1--1--1 6.79 13.22
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March 27th, 2019 at 5:03:10 PM permalink
Quote: smurgerburger

I would like to see the EV for actually wild reels.



Here are expected returns by which reels were left wild. This is for the next spin only and does not consider the value of future spins. Usual caveat of these being rough estimates.


Reel 1 Reel 2 Reel 3 Reel 4 Reel 5 ER
0 0 0 0 0 0.23
0 0 0 0 1 0.30
0 0 0 1 0 0.42
0 0 0 1 1 0.85
0 0 1 0 0 1.04
0 0 1 0 1 1.53
0 0 1 1 0 2.65
0 0 1 1 1 6.69
0 1 0 0 0 1.20
0 1 0 0 1 1.68
0 1 0 1 0 2.78
0 1 0 1 1 6.75
0 1 1 0 0 9.38
0 1 1 0 1 13.71
0 1 1 1 0 26.34
0 1 1 1 1 71.76
1 0 0 0 0 1.19
1 0 0 0 1 1.65
1 0 0 1 0 2.76
1 0 0 1 1 6.73
1 0 1 0 0 9.30
1 0 1 0 1 13.52
1 0 1 1 0 26.22
1 0 1 1 1 71.76
1 1 0 0 0 9.57
1 1 0 0 1 13.77
1 1 0 1 0 26.71
1 1 0 1 1 73.20
1 1 1 0 0 32.91
1 1 1 0 1 74.93
1 1 1 1 0 89.06
1 1 1 1 1 300.12
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March 27th, 2019 at 5:10:27 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Here are some results for an 86% game. As to the wilds, I recommend playing with any already wild reel. In looking at it more carefully, if you have reel 5 wild only and no coins, then don't play. However, it is marginal to complicate the strategy rules for both coins and wilds.



Is your suggestion about wilds intended for the 86% game or the 96% game?
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March 27th, 2019 at 5:19:09 PM permalink
Quote: smurgerburger

Is your suggestion about wilds intended for the 86% game or the 96% game?



86%
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March 27th, 2019 at 9:41:08 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

The industry as a hole...



Nicely put; I agree.
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March 28th, 2019 at 11:12:33 AM permalink
I had pretty good results with 10010, 01010, 00110 at a loose casino. 23-37% (for 96% game) seems VERY low.
10100, 01100, 11000 at Vegas seems *barely* above even (EV = $0.50/dollar-denomination; e.g. a play at $3 is EV=$1.50). 73-86% (for 86% game) seems low.

If both col 4 & col 5 are wild I play, but didn't keep stats.
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March 28th, 2019 at 10:37:41 PM permalink
For what it's worth, probably not much, 4 and 5 wild together always seemed like a play to me, but states like 1001 and similar never seemed even tempting.

I'm still surprised Wiz has 4+5 as not a play. A low value natural 3 of a kind doesn't seem *that* rare.
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March 29th, 2019 at 7:03:26 AM permalink
I appreciate the comments. As a reminder, I had to make up the reel stripping for this game. My advice works for my game. I tried to make it close to the actual game, but without the actual reel stripping, I can only estimate.

Meanwhile, I stand by my advice of playing 2 out of the first 3 reels.
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March 29th, 2019 at 1:21:15 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Here are some results for an 86% game. As to the wilds, I recommend playing with any already wild reel. In looking at it more carefully, if you have reel 5 wild only and no coins, then don't play. However, it is marginal to complicate the strategy rules for both coins and wilds.

That said, for an 86% game, I recommend playing with at least two wilds in the first three reels.

Initial coin patern Win per session Avg spins
0--0--0--0--0
0--0--0--0--1
0--0--0--1--0
0--0--0--1--1
0--0--1--0--0
0--0--1--0--1
0--0--1--1--0
0--0--1--1--1
0--1--0--0--0
0--1--0--0--1
0--1--0--1--0
0--1--0--1--1
0--1--1--0--0 0.75 10.86
0--1--1--0--1 1.08 11.09
0--1--1--1--0 1.79 11.08
0--1--1--1--1 2.45 11.29
1--0--0--0--0
1--0--0--0--1
1--0--0--1--0
1--0--0--1--1
1--0--1--0--0 0.73 10.85
1--0--1--0--1 1.07 11.08
1--0--1--1--0 1.77 11.08
1--0--1--1--1 2.41 11.29
1--1--0--0--0 0.87 10.86
1--1--0--0--1 1.23 11.07
1--1--0--1--0 1.91 11.07
1--1--0--1--1 2.57 11.30
1--1--1--0--0 3.82 12.94
1--1--1--0--1 4.48 13.07
1--1--1--1--0 5.61 13.08
1--1--1--1--1 6.79 13.22

from your chart, it seems only 2 coins in the 1st 3 columns is -EV.
you need 3 coins, with 2 in the 1st 3 columns .

incidentally, what's the win per session for 10011, 01011 and 00111?
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March 29th, 2019 at 2:21:06 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

incidentally, what's the win per session for 10011, 01011 and 00111?



Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but my advice is to play only with at least two coins in the first three reels from the left. Profit/loss figures would be misleading otherwise, because the player shouldn't play in the first place. I would need some sort of play ending event, which is currently NOT having at least 2 coins in the first three reels.
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