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March 26th, 2019 at 1:31:49 PM permalink
You may recall from the thread on Ocean Magic that advantage players took online casinos for almost a million dollars because the Ocean Magic game started in the same advantage game state for every player in every casino and every bet denomination. You would think a million dollar loss would cause someone to figure out why Ocean Magic was getting killed. A simple Internet search would have easily taken them to the Ocean Magic thread here or this article.

I thought Atlantic City casinos were supposed to be struggling, but perhaps a million dollars is just a drop in the bucket and didn't make anybody's radar. Whatever the case, the same group of advantage players hit another game with the exact same flaw, Golden Egypt. Here is a full article about it, DÉJÀ VU: ADVANTAGE PLAYER CRACKS ONLINE CASINOS AGAIN, THIS TIME FOR OVER $500K.

Golden Egypt is a popular game here in Las Vegas. Now that the cat is out of the bag on that advantage play, I think I'll explain in which of the 32 coin configurations it is a positive play. It is definitely vulnerable to vultures anywhere.

The question for now is there a third game out there with the same kind of variable state flaw or will the casinos figure out what went wrong this time? The whole thing reminds me of this quote...


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

The question for the poll is what are your thoughts? (multiple votes allowed)
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March 26th, 2019 at 1:42:28 PM permalink
WOW you are missing a bunch of good poll options on this(fail)

I'll help you out a little.

Will it be much less likely they make a 3rd mistake since I have been laying out exactly why and how they are making mistakes along with the aproximate player advantage?


Revel (math)
Plaza

Just a little reminder since...
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat (or something like that.)

p.s. Just giving you a hard time since, well , I know this is what you do. It seems to me you have actually been way more thoughtful of AP'S for a long while now.
Last edited by: AxelWolf on Mar 26, 2019
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March 26th, 2019 at 1:53:26 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

You may recall from the thread on Ocean Magic that advantage players took online casinos for almost a million dollars because the Ocean Magic game started in the same advantage game state for every player in every casino and every bet denomination. You would think a million dollar loss would cause someone to figure out why Ocean Magic was getting killed. A simple Internet search would have easily taken them to the Ocean Magic thread here or this article.

I thought Atlantic City casinos were supposed to be struggling, but perhaps a million dollars is just a drop in the bucket and didn't make anybody's radar. Whatever the case, the same group of advantage players hit another game with the exact same flaw, Golden Egypt. Here is a full article about it, DÉJÀ VU: ADVANTAGE PLAYER CRACKS ONLINE CASINOS AGAIN, THIS TIME FOR OVER $500K.

Golden Egypt is a popular game here in Las Vegas. Now that the cat is out of the bag on that advantage play, I think I'll explain in which of the 32 coin configurations it is a positive play. It is definitely vulnerable to vultures anywhere.

The question for now is there a third game out there with the same kind of variable state flaw or will the casinos figure out what went wrong this time? The whole thing reminds me of this quote...


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

The question for the poll is what are your thoughts? (multiple votes allowed)

You are the one taking the cat out of the bag.
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March 26th, 2019 at 2:33:03 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

You are the one taking the cat out of the bag.



Seems to me that njonlinegambling.com did.
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March 26th, 2019 at 3:18:37 PM permalink
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Seems to me that njonlinegambling.com did.

Not really, they're at the bottom of the page, you'll be at the top. You're just using that as an excuse. BFS.
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March 26th, 2019 at 3:48:43 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Not really, they're at the bottom of the page, you'll be at the top. You're just using that as an excuse. BFS.



Fair point. I would argue that the Golden Egypt play is well known already through word of mouth.
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March 27th, 2019 at 1:31:51 PM permalink
Here are some results for Golden Egypt. Before I get into them, let me explain the humdinger of the game. Each reel has slots for two coins, or something that looks like a coin to me. If a coin symbols appears on a reel, it will float up to a slot for that reel. If both slots for a reel are filled with coins, then the next two spins will be fully wild on that reel and the two coins removed from the slots. However, the player still has to make a bet for that spin. So, if the previous player abandoned enough coins on the reels, it can have a player advantage until the game is back to a negative state. Here is a video of someone playing it.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3R2tgy33Xs

That said, my initial results so far show that if there are at least two coins in reels 1 to 4, then you should play. Reel 5 doesn't figure into the decision. I should say that someone on the Golden Egypt Atlantic City Team feels my advantage numbers are too small.

Here they are for all 32 coin configurations. A 1 means there is already a coin and a 0 not. The value column shows the value, measured in bets, of finding a game in that state. If it's blank, then the value is negative. This is based on a hypothetical 94% game, which I know is a rosy assumption. The spins column shows the average number of times you'll play to get that value out of the game. So, the value should not be misinterpreted as a player advantage per spin.

Initial coin pattern Value Spins
0--0--0--0--0
0--0--0--0--1
0--0--0--1--0
0--0--0--1--1
0--0--1--0--0
0--0--1--0--1
0--0--1--1--0 0.23 15.35
0--0--1--1--1 0.65 15.62
0--1--0--0--0
0--1--0--0--1
0--1--0--1--0 0.37 15.36
0--1--0--1--1 0.79 15.62
0--1--1--0--0 1.93 15.35
0--1--1--0--1 2.36 15.62
0--1--1--1--0 3.16 17.48
0--1--1--1--1 3.96 17.64
1--0--0--0--0
1--0--0--0--1
1--0--0--1--0 0.35 15.36
1--0--0--1--1 0.77 15.62
1--0--1--0--0 1.90 15.35
1--0--1--0--1 2.34 15.63
1--0--1--1--0 3.13 17.48
1--0--1--1--1 3.94 17.64
1--1--0--0--0 2.05 15.36
1--1--0--0--1 2.49 15.63
1--1--0--1--0 3.29 17.48
1--1--0--1--1 4.09 17.64
1--1--1--0--0 5.40 17.48
1--1--1--0--1 6.21 17.64
1--1--1--1--0 7.46 18.84
1--1--1--1--1 8.94 18.96


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March 27th, 2019 at 1:55:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Fair point. I would argue that the Golden Egypt play is well known already through word of mouth.

FYI your cats seem to get more attention and validity. The industry as a hole probably takes heed once you give your opinion and show the math.
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March 27th, 2019 at 2:35:12 PM permalink
I like the binary breakdown.

Occasionally someone will leave with the wild activated, and there will be one or two spins with wilds coming on subsequent spins. I would assume it's a good play with a wild column in reels 1-3 and not a good play in reel 5, but not sure about the 4th reel.
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March 27th, 2019 at 3:38:11 PM permalink
I would like to see the EV for actually wild reels.

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