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prozema
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April 10th, 2019 at 1:09:30 PM permalink
You need to play OM Grand tighter than OM... That's clear to me but I don't exactly how much tighter.
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April 10th, 2019 at 2:12:01 PM permalink
Quote: prozema

You need to play OM Grand tighter than OM... That's clear to me but I don't exactly how much tighter.



Agreed. Maybe column 1 becomes a maybe as 4 is.

What are the payout differences between the 2?
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April 10th, 2019 at 4:41:37 PM permalink
Quote: mamat


If you add up different plays:
UX $100-150/day
A3D $50-100/day
PWZ $10-50/day
OM $10-20/day



What do rhese4 abbreviations stand for?

OM ocean magic
A3D is alladin?
UX?
PWZ?
prozema
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April 10th, 2019 at 5:06:41 PM permalink
Ux = Ultimate X
I think PWZ = Plants vs Zombies... Fits the old school IGT theme.
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April 11th, 2019 at 4:08:29 PM permalink
Quote: Blueman

What do rhese4 abbreviations stand for?

Sorry about the abbreviations. Old habit as a mild protection against people using Google on slot machine names. Probably doesn't matter these days with websites publishing detailed step-by-step strategies with pictures.
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April 11th, 2019 at 10:08:54 PM permalink
Quote: mamat

Sorry about the abbreviations. Old habit as a mild protection against people using Google on slot machine names. Probably doesn't matter these days with websites publishing detailed step-by-step strategies with pictures.



Do you know how to play OM Grand?
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April 12th, 2019 at 12:36:54 AM permalink
Quote: Blueman

Do you know how to play OM Grand?

Is the cat out of the bag? Haven't seen press on that game. Come on do you need a seeing eye dog or a blue helmet too?
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April 12th, 2019 at 4:57:45 AM permalink
Quote: Blueman

Do you know how to play OM Grand?

I played it a little, but no success. Seems to need more/better bubbles than OM. Or didn't play long enough for big blackouts. Didn't get any bonuses, but that's no surprise. OM bonuses are rare.

By the time it came out, I had mostly quit going to casinos.
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April 12th, 2019 at 11:05:56 AM permalink
Quote: mamat

I played it a little, but no success. Seems to need more/better bubbles than OM. Or didn't play long enough for big blackouts. Didn't get any bonuses, but that's no surprise. OM bonuses are rare.

By the time it came out, I had mostly quit going to casinos.

Awwww.
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April 17th, 2019 at 9:51:26 PM permalink
Quote: prozema

You need to play OM Grand tighter than OM... That's clear to me but I don't exactly how much tighter.



I tightened up my OM play when the Wizard put out his numbers. I previously played anything in columns 1,2, & 3 regardless of bubble boost or not. I now play the wizards basic strategy on OM and OM Grand which pretty much means I donít play the top or bottom on columns 1 & 2 with only one bubble on bubble boost mode. I think youíre right though. It needs to be played even tighter than that. Another variable is the number of pay lines. At some of the high limit machines there are only 4, 6, & 10 lines. I spun a 4 line $160 per spin three times like an idiot. Iíve been restricting my higher limit spins to 50 or more pay lines since then.
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:06:35 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Do you know if they are allowed to have class lll? I thought I heard they were trying to get that. I don't know that it would matter much since I don't think they would put in very much as far as video poker. But perhaps they would have Video craps, roulette and BJ. I take it they don't have any of that? What about bubble craps or automatic roulette?



As of now, electronic machines like slots or VP have to be virtual scratchoffs. They have table games and live poker though. I dunno if they are allowed to have electronic table games though.
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April 18th, 2019 at 10:57:49 AM permalink
You can play neg ev if it demoralized the competition.
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prozema
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:58:57 PM permalink
Or if the sum of three actions is positive even with the first being negative.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 1:41:13 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Is that the one with five rows? I just saw that game a couple days ago. Perhaps my ne0xt project.



I think that it has 7 rows.
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May 23rd, 2019 at 8:37:57 AM permalink
Interesting thread. I've vultured this game for the last two years and The Wizard's chart seems to square with my strategy. The Bubble Blast mode could use some refining, though. When the blast happens it can be extremely lucrative for the current spin and the next few spins, and I don't believe that's fully captured in the numbers.

I'll play anything in the first 3 reels. The 4th reel rows 2 and 3 are what I consider a "variance booster", that is, probably a slightly positive play but will really just serve to add to your variance... similar to playing one 2x multiplier on a ten-line UX game. There's better stuff out there.

As far as the information war...

First, the masses don't read about gambling. The real threat to any play are the pros who will burn it out. Any sharp gambler who frequents the WOV boards has better plays to make than vulturing Ocean Magic, and full-time vultures already know all about it. OM by itself is not a reason for a newbie to head out and vulture casinos everyday, they will need more than that. I look at vulturing as a collective of plays that come and go. OM will have a life span that will eventually end and that's just the nature of things.

Second, even if the information is out there, OM will still be viable. Because like every other casino play in history, the whole concept of vulturing is predicated on casino patrons being unaware of how the games operate. I don't see this changing any time soon. People will continue to leave bubbles, abandon multipliers, play poorly at blackjack, over-bet the favorites, etc... Vulturing opportunities will be around for a while.

That said, if you're a pro, it is best to keep your cards close to your chest. I don't begrudge anyone who shares information, because that's the natural cycle of all markets. The key to staying in action is to continually evolve.
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May 24th, 2019 at 1:21:58 AM permalink
No. I checked today and it has 6 rows.
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May 24th, 2019 at 6:28:55 AM permalink
I haven't analyzed Ocean Magic Grand yet, so I would not assume my Ocean Magic strategy is appropriate for the Grand game.
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May 24th, 2019 at 6:56:58 AM permalink
Ocean Magic doesn't pay out as well as it used to do. The bubbles aren't landing on the Ocean Magic that many times anymore.
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May 24th, 2019 at 8:01:50 AM permalink
I can confirm that OM and OM Grand have different strategies.
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March 2nd, 2020 at 5:36:50 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Ocean Magic doesn't pay out as well as it used to do. The bubbles aren't landing on the Ocean Magic that many times anymore.

Agreed, the game settings are a joke, this article is misinformation at this point. The basics can be true, but other games in The genre are drastic changes in strategy or do not play. Kind of funny how casinos keep machines but decide a drastic deviation other slots is needed. Set it and forget it is a joke, casinos do cheat. The ploppies are the ones that get slaughtered.
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March 3rd, 2020 at 7:34:59 AM permalink

why not play single bubble row 4 reel (1 or 2)?
that bubble will be +ev when it goes up to row 3 and row 2.

also, interesting to not play reel 2 row 1.
and the strategy chart is for a 90% game! so avoid even more reel 2 row 1 if you suspect your casino's setting to be less than that.
(look at the avg slot payout % for your casino that's published monthly by your state. ie: MGM in md is 89.xx%)
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March 3rd, 2020 at 10:26:00 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

interesting to not play reel 2 row 1.



The expanding bubble feature makes bubbles on the edges and especially corners not as valuable, because there are less places it can expand.
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March 3rd, 2020 at 3:39:37 PM permalink
Suppose you have a yellow bubble in row 1 column 2 and a red bubble in row 1 column 5. If the first bubble hits an ocean magic symbol you are guaranteed 5oak instead of 4oak. And the pay jump from 4oak to 5oak is large, so I suspect the red bubble can add a considerable amount of EV to the lone yellow bubble. Possibly more ev than another yellow bubble in the same column.

So, would it be correct to play whenever there is one yellow bubble in column 2 plus one red bubble in column 5? Maybe it depends on whether they line up on the same row since there are more pay lines covering both bubbles in that case. I would just sim every possible combination of a yellow and a red bubble and see if any of them are +EV.
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May 29th, 2021 at 12:02:50 PM permalink
Does anyone have a chart as to what is AP playable in OM GRAND. Similar to what the Wiz did for OM?
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June 7th, 2021 at 8:59:28 AM permalink
Quote: joedol

Does anyone have a chart as to what is AP playable in OM GRAND. Similar to what the Wiz did for OM?

Grand? pfft.. that's so 2years ago.
Now it's Ocean Magic Ultra:



How about an analysis Wiz? :)
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June 7th, 2021 at 11:52:01 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Grand? pfft.. that's so 2years ago.
Now it's Ocean Magic Ultra:



How about an analysis Wiz? :)



If the game is still in casinos does it matter how old it is?
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March 31st, 2023 at 12:39:02 AM permalink
OM Grand:


In the Bonus round of OM Grand, does it matter which bubbles you pick?
ie: not random? the game already knows how many free games you get??
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March 31st, 2023 at 6:07:21 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

OM Grand:


In the Bonus round of OM Grand, does it matter which bubbles you pick?
ie: not random? the game already knows how many free games you get??
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The help screen for OM Grand's bonus round states, "Player skill has no effect on game outcome." I assume that means the game already knows how many free games you will get.

See the rules for OM Grand on a YouTube by "RandomSlots" at 0:15.
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March 31st, 2023 at 7:16:52 AM permalink
Played this like regular OM. The grand one however if there is only 1 bubble on the 1st column i often don't bother. the line hits are trash so i feel its a waste of time.
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November 12th, 2023 at 9:05:28 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I haven't analyzed Ocean Magic Grand yet, so I would not assume my Ocean Magic strategy is appropriate for the Grand game.
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Look at all those bubbles in col 4+5.
This is burst mode.
I think it's +ev in non-burst mode but is it +ev in Burst mode?
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November 13th, 2023 at 4:00:55 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Quote: Wizard

I haven't analyzed Ocean Magic Grand yet, so I would not assume my Ocean Magic strategy is appropriate for the Grand game.
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Look at all those bubbles in col 4+5.
This is burst mode.
I think it's +ev in non-burst mode but is it +ev in Burst mode?
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I wouldn,t play it in burst mode, regular mode yes.
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November 14th, 2023 at 7:31:48 PM permalink
eh, if the group of 4 were at the bottom you might have a chance of getting some extra bubbles and that might make it worth it. But with 1 spin left (with the 4 grouped wilds still on the board) it would be very unlikely that you would 1 get a new bubble from the burst mode and 2 that it would line up.
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