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March 7th, 2019 at 5:28:37 AM permalink
Quote: mamat

Most valuable bubbles (counting ONLY the next spin):
(A) C2R3 (Col 2 Row 3), C2R4, C3R3, C3R4 - Next spin, can expand to 9 bubbles
(B) C1R3, C1R4, C2R2, C2R5 (below 4th row), C3R2, C3R5 - Can expand to 6 bubbles
(C) C1R5 - Can expand to 4 bubbles
(D) C1R2 - Many people don't play this, can expand to 4 bubbles
(E) C4R3, C4R4 - Most people don't play these
(F) C4R2, C4R5 - Most people don't play these
(G) C5Rx - Most people don't play these
(H) CxR1 - Worthless



Thank you for all your comments, including these.

My next step is to make some tweaks to the reel stripping, to have fewer logo symbols in the middle of the screen and more on the edges. I'll also estimate the value of a bubble in all 20 positions.
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March 7th, 2019 at 7:25:59 AM permalink
Here are some new results, after tweaking the reel strips to have fewer Ocean Magic symbols in reels 2 to 4, compared to 1 and 5. The following table show the return according to where the wild will be on the NEXT spin. I might remind you that bubbles can be seed below row 4, ready to bubble-up to row 4 on the next spin. This is based on an overall 90% game in normal mode (as opposed to Bubble Burst).

103% 102% 93% 55% 47%
164% 125% 163% 71% 51%
162% 126% 162% 72% 53%
110% 75% 91% 55% 48%


The return for no bubbles is 43%.

I think I'm going to have to do some sampling on symbol frequency per reel. Fortunately, there are plenty of YouTube videos of people playing, but most seems to be in Bubble Burst mode. Do the OM players feel there is different reel stripping between regular and Bubble Burst modes? The rule screens mention that separate reel stripping is used in free spins, but no mention about Bubble Burst mode. By omission, I assume the reels are the same.
Last edited by: Wizard on Mar 7, 2019
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March 7th, 2019 at 7:55:23 AM permalink
Why fewer OM symbols on Reels 2-4? Iíll go through and watch those two videos and count again, but Reel 2 is the only one Iíve noticed to be fewer. Reel 3 might even have a few more than Reel 1.
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March 7th, 2019 at 9:20:39 AM permalink
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March 7th, 2019 at 3:38:23 PM permalink
Why are you getting a higher return in reel 1 than reel 3?
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March 7th, 2019 at 3:51:34 PM permalink
I do not have any firm evidence of this, but I believe there are at least as many, if not more, OM symbols on Reel 3 than other reels. They are stacked together, and go by like a high-speed Japanese passenger train when missing your wild bubble. The dreaded drive-by. I also have not noticed a difference in OM symbols between Bubble Boost and non-Bubble Boost, but again, have no studies to confirm this. I would have guessed Reel 3 was the most valuable reel.
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March 7th, 2019 at 4:26:42 PM permalink
Quote: LeonardShelby

Why are you getting a higher return in reel 1 than reel 3?



More Ocean Magic symbols on reel 1, as least based on my hypothetical reels. However, I should have another good update in a couple days, when I have some actual data on symbol frequency by reel.
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March 10th, 2019 at 7:13:26 PM permalink
I hired someone (not sure I'm allowed to say who) to record the symbol frequency on 206 spins. For situation where there was a bubble, the symbol under the bubble was recorded. Here are the raw results.

Symbol Reel 1 Reel 2 Reel 3 Reel 4 Reel 5
Logo 47 18 95 43 46
Shark 144 121 53 69 65
Jelly fish 83 69 87 58 81
Tiger fish 49 92 128 69 98
Sea turtle 124 81 39 78 78
Sea Horse 80 125 45 104 102
Yellow star 91 77 173 95 85
Red star 99 121 102 146 133
Green star 91 100 95 149 123
Scatter 16 20 7 13 13
Total 824 824 824 824 824


I reduced them to a shorter reel, as follows:

Symbol Reel 1 Reel 2 Reel 3 Reel 4 Reel 5
Logo 5 2 9 4 5
Shark 15 12 5 7 7
Jelly fish 8 7 9 6 8
Tiger fish 5 9 13 7 10
Sea turtle 13 9 5 8 8
Sea Horse 8 13 5 10 10
Yellow star 9 8 17 10 9
Red star 10 12 10 16 14
Green star 9 10 10 15 12
Scatter 2 2 1 1 1
Total 84 84 84 84 84


This set of reels has many more logo (Ocean Magic) symbols than before. To bring the overall game to a 90% return, I lowered the new bubble frequency per reel to 2.1%. This means that on average there will be 0.42 bubbles on the screen. Again, these are for spins that are NOT in Bubble Burst mode.

All that said, here is my new return table for the next spin according to where a bubble will be for that spin.

Return Reel 1 Reel 2 Reel 3 Reel 4 Reel 5
1 111% 105% 252% 57% 30%
2 176% 199% 540% 92% 34%
3 174% 197% 534% 92% 34%
4 107% 101% 245% 55% 30%


The return when there are no bubbles on the screen is 25.70%.

Based on this, a simple basic strategy would be to play with any bubble in reels 1 to 3.

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March 10th, 2019 at 7:29:59 PM permalink
That looks much closer to correct to me. I donít know that Iíd have guessed 500% for a Reel 3 Bubble, but I suppose thatís possible.

Going in with experience vulturing this game, these results at least reflect what I would play pretty closely. I would say they also reflect what I would roughly expect, with exception to the fact that I wouldnít have guessed Reel 3 to be quite THAT powerful.

Iím not surprised to see the return without bubbles so low. From your data set in the table, it looks like the reels are specifically designed to screw the player without OM symbols and a bubble. Wonít see too many natural sea turtles, sea horses and shark 3OaK-5OaK, thatís for sure.
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March 10th, 2019 at 7:39:50 PM permalink
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That looks much closer to correct to me. I donít know that Iíd have guessed 500% for a Reel 3 Bubble, but I suppose thatís possible.



You can see from the data I presented that there are a LOT of logo symbols on reel 3. A bubble to be in row 2 or 3 on reel 3 would have a very good chance to expand the next spin.
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