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January 24th, 2019 at 1:35:02 PM permalink
Greetings!

This thread is for the purpose of discussing any shady casino practices that you may have encountered in your travels. I'm putting it in the slot section, but the thread doesn't necessarily have to be relegated to slots. If you want to include any stories of outright cheating, feel free to do so. I have two (one VP and one slots) that I will share now: Both of these are from the same casino.

Ultimate X Reset: Many versions of Ultimate X, but perhaps not all of them, have a very unusual reset screen in that all hands for all games and all denominations will show a busted straight flush draw. It's pretty recognizable, especially since most of the games will all show the same hand after this happens and all of them will show it right after if nobody has played since the reset.

Anyway, I'm aware of a casino who once had Ultimate X machines (dimes were the highest denom!) who would regularly reset the machines, presumably to clear off all of the multipliers. The bank was a bank of four (two on each side) and they'd be reset a few times a week, typically sometime in the middle of the night. This may have been one employee doing it, or it may have been a directive if there were a ton of multipliers...or just something to do periodically, who knows?

Banked Free Spins Three Kings is a unique game in that it has three Progressives, but the Progressives are not money, but rather Free Spins. Three Kings' Free Spins are also capped and, even maxed out, the machine is not beatable. Three Kings, however, is not the only machine out there that banks Free Spins until a particular result is hit.

On a different machine that banks Free Spins, which may or may not be beatable in certain game states, the casino has, on multiple occasions (two that I'm aware of for sure), reset the machine when a sizable amount of spins has already been banked. This is a game that also has multiple banks and, before you accuse me of being paranoid, not only do I know someone who physically saw this happen, but it is also extremely unlikely that the game would return to its starting state organically. Only one bank can be triggered per spin, free spins cannot be retriggered and there is no way to trigger the other banks while already in Free Spins.

In other words, for this to happen organically, a player(s) would have to hit one set of Free Spins, then hit a second bank of Free Spins (of the remaining two) before the bank on the first one has increased, then finally hit the last bank of Free Spins before either of the other two banks has increased. Some people here will know what game I'm talking about and can confirm, if they choose, that this sequence of events is extremely unlikely.

Anyway, in my view, this is no different than resetting a (cash) progressive before it has been hit without moving the player-banked funds to a different machine, as appropriate. This is especially my opinion with the Free Spins thing because it is, in fact, a form of Progressive. This casino also reset a must-hit nearing positive territory once causing both progressives to reset, but that might have been an accident or some error with the machine, because it was also off for three days. The stuff I'm talking about above, the machines were not out for anywhere near that long.

Anyway, just a little something to let everyone know the casinos aren't these innocent enterprises being victimized by AP's. Also, most casinos probably don't engage in anything along these lines and this one doesn't seem to do it very often....except the Ultimate X thing...that bullcrap happened all the time.
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January 24th, 2019 at 2:25:49 PM permalink
On a blackjack table a player was betting 1k per hand ,the dealer took his bet instead of paying it.A few hands later the player leaves,dealer calls the floor over and says "I think I made a mistake and took his bet instead of paying it,The floor says "@#$% him, he's an a$%hole .So basically they cheated the player out of 2k.
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January 24th, 2019 at 2:37:45 PM permalink
A high roller was winning 900k,There was a security guard keeping onlookers away.High roller wants to tip the security guard 25k.
Casino tells high roller that security guard can't accept tips,high roller says if you don't let him keep the tip, that he will quit playing and go to the casino next door.

Casino lies to the player and says ok the guard can keep the tip.
At the end of the shift they call the guard into the office and say ,you can't keep the tip,now give it back to us.
The guard say no,the casino says if you don't you will be fired.The 25k was more than a years salary for the guard so he said That's ok I quit."
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January 24th, 2019 at 3:07:45 PM permalink
I'm with the security guard on that one! $25,000 is definitely, "Fu---gett you," money for a job like that, buys plenty of time to find a different job or maybe learn AP.

Maybe even hunt down that high-roller and ask if he wants a personal bodyguard and he'll consider the first three months paid in advance! (JK)
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January 24th, 2019 at 3:32:35 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

At the end of the shift they call the guard into the office and say ,you can't keep the tip,now give it back to us.
The guard say no,the casino says if you don't you will be fired.The 25k was more than a years salary for the guard so he said That's ok I quit."



A tip on tipping: put the money in an envelope with the persons name on it. Even in places that share tips, if you do that it all goes to that person. Guard probably should have taken the firing and collected unemployment benefits

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Three Kings will stop showing extra games accumulate, but they will. Though they won't be won, it will be reset at a higher amount based on all the games banked while they were hidden. Based on what I've heard.
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January 24th, 2019 at 4:40:48 PM permalink
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Three Kings will stop showing extra games accumulate, but they will. Though they won't be won, it will be reset at a higher amount based on all the games banked while they were hidden. Based on what I've heard.



We used to do that on a lot of progressives that were capped. The "backup" meter will increase from the reset amount at the same rate the base meter did before being capped. We also used to start contributing to the "backup" meter when the base meter started getting large. For example: If a progressive had a 1% meter and it started getting very big, the algorithm would start decreasing the main meter increment amount and raising the backup meter increment amount. If the meter started at $1,00,000 when it got to about $3,000,000 we might automatically only ad 0.8% to the main meter and increment the "backup" meter to 0.2%. We would continue lowering the main meter increment amount until the progressive hits.
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January 24th, 2019 at 4:46:22 PM permalink
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A tip on tipping: put the money in an envelope with the persons name on it. Even in places that share tips, if you do that it all goes to that person. Guard probably should have taken the firing and collected unemployment benefits



Better thought still.

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Three Kings will stop showing extra games accumulate, but they will. Though they won't be won, it will be reset at a higher amount based on all the games banked while they were hidden. Based on what I've heard.



I know that, my point is that the ER of a spin never exceeds 100%, even with all three meters, "Maxxed Out." There may be a game otherwise semi-similar to Three Kings that the meters either do not stop at all, or do stop, but can be such in some game states as to exceed 100%.
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January 24th, 2019 at 4:49:01 PM permalink
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We used to do that on a lot of progressives that were capped. The "backup" meter will increase from the reset amount at the same rate the base meter did before being capped. We also used to start contributing to the "backup" meter when the base meter started getting large. For example: If a progressive had a 1% meter and it started getting very big, the algorithm would start decreasing the main meter increment amount and raising the backup meter increment amount. If the meter started at $1,00,000 when it got to about $3,000,000 we might automatically only ad 0.8% to the main meter and increment the "backup" meter to 0.2%. We would continue lowering the main meter increment amount until the progressive hits.



I'm not in love with that, but I understand it (and recognize the reason why is not necessarily to screw the players) and would not necessarily go as far as to call it, "Shady." I'll say, "Not ideal."
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January 24th, 2019 at 7:30:30 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

We used to do that on a lot of progressives that were capped. The "backup" meter will increase from the reset amount at the same rate the base meter did before being capped. We also used to start contributing to the "backup" meter when the base meter started getting large. For example: If a progressive had a 1% meter and it started getting very big, the algorithm would start decreasing the main meter increment amount and raising the backup meter increment amount. If the meter started at $1,00,000 when it got to about $3,000,000 we might automatically only ad 0.8% to the main meter and increment the "backup" meter to 0.2%. We would continue lowering the main meter increment amount until the progressive hits.


Are there any good books written by people like you who have written slot machine programs or is it considered intellectual property somehow and can’t be written I’m a programmer by the way and would be open to any maths
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January 24th, 2019 at 7:49:19 PM permalink
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There may be a game otherwise semi-similar to Three Kings that the meters either do not stop at all, or do stop, but can be such in some game states as to exceed 100%.



They stop. At least for mega, cap is 500. I've reset one of these machines to within a couple free spins of base. Mega was low when I sat down, I hit middle and then low spins on consecutive spins about 20 spins later. Dropped 'em in, as it were.
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