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October 8th, 2022 at 12:33:00 PM permalink
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I think I'm looking at this from the point of view as a performer. Some of you know my entire career was spent on radio and TV and now I do social media interviews and videos for clients.

When you do videos you keep talking. You don't want dead air.

Yours taking everything Vic says seriously. Don't.

It is his schtick. It is his act. It is his on camera persona.

If you don't understand that listen to the brief comments he makes to those who are there watching at the EC. Listen to the one liners when he thanks people for super chats.

His "breakdowns" really aren't breakdowns. Its the act.

Of course you'd love it that he would break down for real.

He won't because the money is too good.

Enjoy the show.
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No offense intended, but this post seems delusional.
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No offense intended? Then why did you post it?

You intended to call me delusional.
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October 8th, 2022 at 12:38:40 PM permalink
He's gambling with a tremendous edge considering his patreon and superchat donations plus any special considerations from El Cortez. When he loses thousands in a session, he's probably not coming out ahead though.

Of all the charitable causes one could support, why donate to someone who exhibits symptoms of problem gambling for purposes of enabling him to continue gambling money away? Perhaps some of his donors are also problem gamblers who find that being vicariously involved in his action fulfills their urge to gamble without having to risk losing thousands themselves at a casino.
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October 8th, 2022 at 12:45:21 PM permalink
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He's gambling with a tremendous edge considering his patreon and superchat donations plus any special considerations from El Cortez. When he loses thousands in a session, he's probably not coming out ahead though.

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Dont forget their YouTube revenue.

Here's a YouTube revenue calculator. Use your own estimates and report back what you think they're making.

https://influencermarketinghub.com/youtube-money-calculator/
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October 8th, 2022 at 12:50:45 PM permalink
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Dont forget their YouTube revenue.

Here's a YouTube revenue calculator. Use your own estimates and report back what you think they're making.

https://influencermarketinghub.com/youtube-money-calculator/
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According to this website that supposedly tracks this kind of thing, they're making a few hundred dollars per video.

No idea how accurate that is, though.
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October 8th, 2022 at 12:54:35 PM permalink
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I think I'm looking at this from the point of view as a performer. Some of you know my entire career was spent on radio and TV and now I do social media interviews and videos for clients.

When you do videos you keep talking. You don't want dead air.

Yours taking everything Vic says seriously. Don't.

It is his schtick. It is his act. It is his on camera persona.

If you don't understand that listen to the brief comments he makes to those who are there watching at the EC. Listen to the one liners when he thanks people for super chats.

His "breakdowns" really aren't breakdowns. Its the act.

Of course you'd love it that he would break down for real.

He won't because the money is too good.

Enjoy the show.
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No offense intended, but this post seems delusional.
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No offense intended? Then why did you post it?

You intended to call me delusional.
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To say imply that Vic is acting, his whiny behavior and breakdowns aren’t real…. That’s just crazy talk.
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October 8th, 2022 at 12:59:11 PM permalink
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Dont forget their YouTube revenue.

Here's a YouTube revenue calculator. Use your own estimates and report back what you think they're making.

https://influencermarketinghub.com/youtube-money-calculator/
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According to this website that supposedly tracks this kind of thing, they're making a few hundred dollars per video.

No idea how accurate that is, though.
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Exactly. And how many videos per week?

Then add in their other income from merchandise, memberships, super chats and all the other crap.

Then add in the great untalked about... what they get from EC either in promotional money or loss rebates or flat out pay for youtubing from the EC.

Dont forget basic comps and cashback even if they're not paid upfront by the casino.

And what I'm talking about isn't crazy. Who is the Youtuber with a deal with a slot machine maker and cruise lines?
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October 8th, 2022 at 3:18:41 PM permalink
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Exactly. And how many videos per week?

Then add in their other income from merchandise, memberships, super chats and all the other crap.

Then add in the great untalked about... what they get from EC either in promotional money or loss rebates or flat out pay for youtubing from the EC.

Dont forget basic comps and cashback even if they're not paid upfront by the casino.

And what I'm talking about isn't crazy. Who is the Youtuber with a deal with a slot machine maker and cruise lines?
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It's not the potential business aspects talk that people think is crazy. It's the thinking his whining and flipping out is an act. You seem to be a super fan which is fine. You can believe what you want but the rest of us aren't buying it.
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October 9th, 2022 at 2:37:07 PM permalink
Aside from Victor being insufferable, I'm still curious how they got Visa's to stay in the US this long.

I suspect work visas which means someone employed them, and I'd guess that is the El Cortez as marketing. Why the Cortez though actually wants his sour puss attitude associated with them, no idea.
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October 10th, 2022 at 1:26:15 AM permalink
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Dont forget their YouTube revenue.

Here's a YouTube revenue calculator. Use your own estimates and report back what you think they're making.

https://influencermarketinghub.com/youtube-money-calculator/
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According to this website that supposedly tracks this kind of thing, they're making a few hundred dollars per video.

No idea how accurate that is, though.
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Exactly. And how many videos per week?

Then add in their other income from merchandise, memberships, super chats and all the other crap.

Then add in the great untalked about... what they get from EC either in promotional money or loss rebates or flat out pay for youtubing from the EC.

Dont forget basic comps and cashback even if they're not paid upfront by the casino.

And what I'm talking about isn't crazy. Who is the Youtuber with a deal with a slot machine maker and cruise lines?
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Any speculation as to what kind of deals they might be getting and how much income they generate from various other things? Does anyone keep a tally of how much they are losing?

Is it possible they have been hired as shills at this point and using house money? FYI from what I have been told by casino management and by a paid prop player(not sure if it's true) a shill must identify themselves as a shill if asked while shilling.

I have been offered to be paid as a poker prop player at 3 different casinos. Not sure if a shill and prop player would be held to the same rules.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 10th, 2022 at 3:33:25 AM permalink
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Any speculation as to what kind of deals they might be getting and how much income they generate from various other things? Does anyone keep a tally of how much they are losing?

Is it possible they have been hired as shills at this point and using house money? FYI from what I have been told by casino management and by a paid prop player(not sure if it's true) a shill must identify themselves as a shill if asked while shilling.

I have been offered to be paid as a poker prop player at 3 different casinos. Not sure if a shill and prop player would be held to the same rules.
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It is an interesting question.
I'm not sure if the standard would apply.

If I sat down across from a prop player, if they win, I lose.
I am not sure that another player at a UTH table can make my hand lose. (There is an exception to this, but it involves aggregate payout caps, dilution, and replacing "lose" with "win less".)
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October 10th, 2022 at 3:43:47 AM permalink
They don't fit the definition of a shill or the definition of a prop player.

Their videos are done at private tables. They don't do group pulls.

I think they have an arrangement where they get loss rebates and promotion money for doing their Youtubing at the EC.

The same way you and I might get show up money once a week or once a month... they get show up money more frequently. Maybe even every time they play.

Remember that one of the Vegas TV stations a year or so ago interviewed an EC manager who said their channel was bringing in players.

It appears Brian Christopher is way ahead of them. He has his own branded slot machines, a Brian Christopher slot area at the Plaza, and he "hosts" gaming cruises on Carnival including an upcoming New Years Eve cruise.

Also remember that a month or so ago Slotmassacre did a couple of videos asking for a casino to sponsor him.

John's World of Video Poker is also fishing for sponsorships with his video "travelogues" of the casinos he's playing at.

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October 10th, 2022 at 5:06:32 AM permalink
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They don't fit the definition of a shill or the definition of a prop player.

Their videos are done at private tables. They don't do group pulls.

I think they have an arrangement where they get loss rebates and promotion money for doing their Youtubing at the EC.

The same way you and I might get show up money once a week or once a month... they get show up money more frequently. Maybe even every time they play.

Remember that one of the Vegas TV stations a year or so ago interviewed an EC manager who said their channel was bringing in players.

It appears Brian Christopher is way ahead of them. He has his own branded slot machines, a Brian Christopher slot area at the Plaza, and he "hosts" gaming cruises on Carnival including an upcoming New Years Eve cruise.

Also remember that a month or so ago Slotmassacre did a couple of videos asking for a casino to sponsor him.

John's World of Video Poker is also fishing for sponsorships with his video "travelogues" of the casinos he's playing at.

THIS IS THE NEW WAY TO MAKE MONEY.
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It's certainly interesting.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 10th, 2022 at 6:32:02 PM permalink
Another disastrous losing stream for Vic tonight.

He didn’t seem as angry as usual, but more depressed.
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October 10th, 2022 at 8:49:03 PM permalink
He said tonight he uses his own money to gamble. He said it's not EC money.

But does that mean he's not collecting a loss rebate or is paid money on some sort of appearance contract?
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October 10th, 2022 at 9:32:48 PM permalink
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He said tonight he uses his own money to gamble. He said it's not EC money.

But does that mean he's not collecting a loss rebate or is paid money on some sort of appearance contract?
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Why doesn't someone as about that kind of stuff? With a good enough rebate and a proper strategy, he would certainly be able to overcome the HA. Variance becomes your friend.
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October 10th, 2022 at 9:47:47 PM permalink
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He said tonight he uses his own money to gamble. He said it's not EC money.

But does that mean he's not collecting a loss rebate or is paid money on some sort of appearance contract?
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Why doesn't someone as about that kind of stuff? With a good enough rebate and a proper strategy, he would certainly be able to overcome the HA. Variance becomes your friend.
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I don't think his viewers know to ask about things like loss rebates or promo money or show up money.

The only question I've ever seen asked is "is that your money?"

Vic and Sarah instead of saying just yes add the detail that EC doesn't contribute. But no more specific info is asked.

Sarah is a member of this forum. Perhaps she'd like to comment?

However I also respect that any side deals may be private and confidential.
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October 10th, 2022 at 9:59:21 PM permalink
They'd never answer any of these questions with any answer other than it's their money. Vic hasn't tried to avoid outright saying it's his money as Alan implies above. People have asked more detailed questions and all they get back in return is either a snarky comment or that it's their money.
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October 11th, 2022 at 1:25:54 AM permalink
Still, I can't imagine it's good business for EC to watch people play badly and lose money. You want to encourage winning sessions so other people who don't play as well can come and lose, and the way to winning sessions is by playing proper strategy. Sure, bet the side bets (I'm sure there may be a provision in the loss rebate to return a portion of that, which would otherwise have a massive house edge), but in the base game play like you know what you're doing. Given he has played for hundreds of hours he should know what he is doing.
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October 11th, 2022 at 7:48:47 AM permalink
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They'd never answer any of these questions with any answer other than it's their money. Vic hasn't tried to avoid outright saying it's his money as Alan implies above. People have asked more detailed questions and all they get back in return is either a snarky comment or that it's their money.
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However I also respect that any side deals may be private and confidential.

I would respect it if they just said something along the lines of. Yes, we have a deal with the casino(s) that gives us lots of extra value, value that the average person doesn't get. It's a confidential deal with the casino and we are unwilling to/can't discuss the details.

However, even with the deal in place, losing and winning greatly affects our bottom line, as WE ARE RISKING OUR OWN MONEY.

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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 11th, 2022 at 8:09:01 AM permalink
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Still, I can't imagine it's good business for EC to watch people play badly and lose money. You want to encourage winning sessions so other people who don't play as well can come and lose, and the way to winning sessions is by playing proper strategy. Sure, bet the side bets (I'm sure there may be a provision in the loss rebate to return a portion of that, which would otherwise have a massive house edge), but in the base game play like you know what you're doing. Given he has played for hundreds of hours he should know what he is doing.
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I know I will never play UTH at El Cortez after watching Vic’s constant beatings...
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October 11th, 2022 at 8:45:03 AM permalink
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They'd never answer any of these questions with any answer other than it's their money. Vic hasn't tried to avoid outright saying it's his money as Alan implies above. People have asked more detailed questions and all they get back in return is either a snarky comment or that it's their money.
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However I also respect that any side deals may be private and confidential.

I would respect it if they just said something along the lines of. Yes, we have a deal with the casino(s) that gives us lots of extra value, value that the average person doesn't get. It's a confidential deal with the casino and we are unwilling to/can't discuss the details.

However, even with the deal in place, losing and winning greatly affects our bottom line, as WE ARE RISKING OUR OWN MONEY.
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Can you fix the quotes here? This post is all screwed up with the quotes function.
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October 11th, 2022 at 9:07:12 AM permalink
If they said they had a deal with the casino, might that nullify the deal?

What is a good reason a casino would want the deal advertised to anyone? I couldn’t think of a good reason, just reasons.
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October 11th, 2022 at 9:21:58 AM permalink
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If they said they had a deal with the casino, might that nullify the deal?

What is a good reason a casino would want the deal advertised to anyone? I couldn’t think of a good reason, just reasons.
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Correct.

I don't think any casino would want a loss rebate or promo money deal publicized.

You can't expect any player to reveal it if they were actively playing at the casino.
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October 11th, 2022 at 9:32:47 AM permalink
I don't understand the logic of why anyone would hide anything like that or even care.

If I'm watching a slot channel or whatever, I don't care where the money comes from. I don't care if it's 100% the player's money, or 100% the casino's money, or some combination of the two. I don't care if the player has a deal with the casino, or if they are straight up an employee. I watch stuff like that because it's a vicarious thrill. Since I'm not playing, the money is irrelevant. I've watched Baccarat videos on Youtube where they aren't even playing for real money at all; it's just a home game and they're playing with poker chips you can buy online.

I watch videos like that because I want to see the game being played; I don't care about any finances going on behind the scenes, and I can't fathom why anyone else cares.
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October 11th, 2022 at 9:51:56 AM permalink
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I don't understand the logic of why anyone would hide anything like that or even care.

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Probably casinos that care. Could be bad pub rather than the good they usually get from streams to blatantly publicize that players don’t get comparable treatment and the same offers are likely not available to the viewer/potential customer.

Anyways, seems several of the posters in this thread are hate watching the streams….why?
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October 11th, 2022 at 9:56:01 AM permalink
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I don't understand the logic of why anyone would hide anything like that or even care.

If I'm watching a slot channel or whatever, I don't care where the money comes from. I don't care if it's 100% the player's money, or 100% the casino's money, or some combination of the two. I don't care if the player has a deal with the casino, or if they are straight up an employee. I watch stuff like that because it's a vicarious thrill. Since I'm not playing, the money is irrelevant. I've watched Baccarat videos on Youtube where they aren't even playing for real money at all; it's just a home game and they're playing with poker chips you can buy online.

I watch videos like that because I want to see the game being played; I don't care about any finances going on behind the scenes, and I can't fathom why anyone else cares.
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I could be wrong about people wanting to know what is authentic about a situation, vs hype or manufactured.. You might not be interested, but other people might.

Watching people throw away thousands of dollars away vs not really throwing thousands away. I don’t know anyone who likes finding out the orgasm was faked.
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October 11th, 2022 at 11:47:44 AM permalink
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I don't understand the logic of why anyone would hide anything like that or even care.

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Probably casinos that care. Could be bad pub rather than the good they usually get from streams to blatantly publicize that players don’t get comparable treatment and the same offers are likely not available to the viewer/potential customer.

Anyways, seems several of the posters in this thread are hate watching the streams….why?
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For the record. (I doubt you directed that at me) I am not love or hate watching any of the videos. I haven't watched much at all just enough to get the gist of what's going on.

I'm not at all interested in watching people gamble (Watching poker on occasion perhaps). I am interested in the details of how it all works and if it's profitable for more than a few select people.
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October 11th, 2022 at 12:18:01 PM permalink
I want to believe that people are wagering their own money in slot videos because — though I'm more interested in the slot machines themselves — I'm happy when I see people win. It could be finishing just a couple bucks up, or getting a 300 for 1 hit (no matter the original wager), but it's nice to see someone win on slots and be happy about it.

I always remember walking through a casino, seeing someone get a $400 win, and then just spinning again as if nothing happened. Sad.
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October 11th, 2022 at 7:04:07 PM permalink
Vic on an absolute heater tonight, up about 10k on 3 Card Poker.
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October 11th, 2022 at 9:57:39 PM permalink
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I always remember walking through a casino, seeing someone get a $400 win, and then just spinning again as if nothing happened.
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That's what Advantage Players do.

There have been many times when I have hit for 10k+ And I have to remind myself to act excited.

A few times when I have hit jackpots and the slot attended says, "oh aren't you excited?" I just say, oh yeah, I can barely contain myself, but I want to keep it on the down low.

One time I even dosed off while waiting on a bigger hand-pay jackpot that was taking forever.
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October 11th, 2022 at 11:15:31 PM permalink
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Vic on an absolute heater tonight, up about 10k on 3 Card Poker.
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He was on fire. So refreshing to see a big winning session.
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October 12th, 2022 at 10:36:09 AM permalink
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I always remember walking through a casino, seeing someone get a $400 win, and then just spinning again as if nothing happened.
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That's what Advantage Players do.

There have been many times when I have hit for 10k+ And I have to remind myself to act excited.

A few times when I have hit jackpots and the slot attended says, "oh aren't you excited?" I just say, oh yeah, I can barely contain myself, but I want to keep it on the down low.

One time I even dosed off while waiting on a bigger hand-pay jackpot that was taking forever.
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That's great to hear! I don't think the player in my memory was an AP though — I think she was just so far behind that even $400 wasn't putting her in the black.
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October 12th, 2022 at 12:12:33 PM permalink
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I always remember walking through a casino, seeing someone get a $400 win, and then just spinning again as if nothing happened.
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That's what Advantage Players do.

There have been many times when I have hit for 10k+ And I have to remind myself to act excited.

A few times when I have hit jackpots and the slot attended says, "oh aren't you excited?" I just say, oh yeah, I can barely contain myself, but I want to keep it on the down low.

One time I even dosed off while waiting on a bigger hand-pay jackpot that was taking forever.
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What denominations were you playing to win the 10k?

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October 14th, 2022 at 10:22:56 AM permalink
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Vic on an absolute heater tonight, up about 10k on 3 Card Poker.
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He was on fire. So refreshing to see a big winning session.
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Meh. I'd just as soon he do nothing but lose in the videos, not that I watch them either way...only if something interesting is brought up in this thread. Either way, I wouldn't want recreational players to see such runs and be given hope. I think these channels would do well to keep a running tally of losses/sessions and show it at the beginning of all videos...of course, these tallies would be session only and not include promos or freebies.
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October 14th, 2022 at 10:50:08 AM permalink
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Vic on an absolute heater tonight, up about 10k on 3 Card Poker.
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He was on fire. So refreshing to see a big winning session.
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Meh. I'd just as soon he do nothing but lose in the videos, not that I watch them either way...only if something interesting is brought up in this thread. Either way, I wouldn't want recreational players to see such runs and be given hope. I think these channels would do well to keep a running tally of losses/sessions and show it at the beginning of all videos...of course, these tallies would be session only and not include promos or freebies.
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After a minute of hearing Vic whining about "Victor Luck", you can pretty much deduce that he loses WAY more than he wins.
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October 14th, 2022 at 1:17:27 PM permalink
Does he have to win to make money?
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October 14th, 2022 at 1:26:29 PM permalink
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Vic on an absolute heater tonight, up about 10k on 3 Card Poker.
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He was on fire. So refreshing to see a big winning session.
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Meh. I'd just as soon he do nothing but lose in the videos, not that I watch them either way...only if something interesting is brought up in this thread. Either way, I wouldn't want recreational players to see such runs and be given hope. I think these channels would do well to keep a running tally of losses/sessions and show it at the beginning of all videos...of course, these tallies would be session only and not include promos or freebies.
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After a minute of hearing Vic whining about "Victor Luck", you can pretty much deduce that he loses WAY more than he wins.
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How soon after his big $10k win will Vic whine about “Victor luck” on a stream again?

Has it already happened? I haven’t seen his last couple of streams…
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October 14th, 2022 at 2:33:23 PM permalink
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Vic on an absolute heater tonight, up about 10k on 3 Card Poker.
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He was on fire. So refreshing to see a big winning session.
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Meh. I'd just as soon he do nothing but lose in the videos, not that I watch them either way...only if something interesting is brought up in this thread. Either way, I wouldn't want recreational players to see such runs and be given hope. I think these channels would do well to keep a running tally of losses/sessions and show it at the beginning of all videos...of course, these tallies would be session only and not include promos or freebies.
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After a minute of hearing Vic whining about "Victor Luck", you can pretty much deduce that he loses WAY more than he wins.
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How soon after his big $10k win will Vic whine about “Victor luck” on a stream again?

Has it already happened? I haven’t seen his last couple of streams…
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It has already happened. The next day.
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October 14th, 2022 at 2:48:16 PM permalink
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I always remember walking through a casino, seeing someone get a $400 win, and then just spinning again as if nothing happened.
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That's what Advantage Players do.

There have been many times when I have hit for 10k+ And I have to remind myself to act excited.

A few times when I have hit jackpots and the slot attended says, "oh aren't you excited?" I just say, oh yeah, I can barely contain myself, but I want to keep it on the down low.

One time I even dosed off while waiting on a bigger hand-pay jackpot that was taking forever.
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What denominations were you playing to win the 10k?

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$100 a spin or so. I was playing a good promo.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 14th, 2022 at 4:52:22 PM permalink
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Vic on an absolute heater tonight, up about 10k on 3 Card Poker.
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He was on fire. So refreshing to see a big winning session.
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Meh. I'd just as soon he do nothing but lose in the videos, not that I watch them either way...only if something interesting is brought up in this thread. Either way, I wouldn't want recreational players to see such runs and be given hope. I think these channels would do well to keep a running tally of losses/sessions and show it at the beginning of all videos...of course, these tallies would be session only and not include promos or freebies.
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After a minute of hearing Vic whining about "Victor Luck", you can pretty much deduce that he loses WAY more than he wins.
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How soon after his big $10k win will Vic whine about “Victor luck” on a stream again?

Has it already happened? I haven’t seen his last couple of streams…
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Yep, he got cocky and bought in big playing UTH. For some reason, probably the cash won, he played 2 hands and starts whining less than 5 minutes in!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cY-3FPaAZY
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October 14th, 2022 at 6:43:55 PM permalink
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Vic on an absolute heater tonight, up about 10k on 3 Card Poker.
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He was on fire. So refreshing to see a big winning session.
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Meh. I'd just as soon he do nothing but lose in the videos, not that I watch them either way...only if something interesting is brought up in this thread. Either way, I wouldn't want recreational players to see such runs and be given hope. I think these channels would do well to keep a running tally of losses/sessions and show it at the beginning of all videos...of course, these tallies would be session only and not include promos or freebies.
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Rec players watch him lose, lose, and lose some more on the daily. No one watching Victor is being given hope. His winning session was a breath of fresh air from the constant whining. Even fast forwarding through losses I can't avoid it entirely.
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October 14th, 2022 at 6:45:28 PM permalink
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Vic on an absolute heater tonight, up about 10k on 3 Card Poker.
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He was on fire. So refreshing to see a big winning session.
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Meh. I'd just as soon he do nothing but lose in the videos, not that I watch them either way...only if something interesting is brought up in this thread. Either way, I wouldn't want recreational players to see such runs and be given hope. I think these channels would do well to keep a running tally of losses/sessions and show it at the beginning of all videos...of course, these tallies would be session only and not include promos or freebies.
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After a minute of hearing Vic whining about "Victor Luck", you can pretty much deduce that he loses WAY more than he wins.
link to original post





How soon after his big $10k win will Vic whine about “Victor luck” on a stream again?

Has it already happened? I haven’t seen his last couple of streams…
link to original post



Yep, he got cocky and bought in big playing UTH. For some reason, probably the cash won, he played 2 hands and starts whining less than 5 minutes in!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cY-3FPaAZY
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I think he even got himself back up to just about even at one point but Vic being Vic had to play until he lost.
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October 14th, 2022 at 7:09:10 PM permalink
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Vic on an absolute heater tonight, up about 10k on 3 Card Poker.
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He was on fire. So refreshing to see a big winning session.
link to original post



Meh. I'd just as soon he do nothing but lose in the videos, not that I watch them either way...only if something interesting is brought up in this thread. Either way, I wouldn't want recreational players to see such runs and be given hope. I think these channels would do well to keep a running tally of losses/sessions and show it at the beginning of all videos...of course, these tallies would be session only and not include promos or freebies.
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After a minute of hearing Vic whining about "Victor Luck", you can pretty much deduce that he loses WAY more than he wins.
link to original post





How soon after his big $10k win will Vic whine about “Victor luck” on a stream again?

Has it already happened? I haven’t seen his last couple of streams…
link to original post



Yep, he got cocky and bought in big playing UTH. For some reason, probably the cash won, he played 2 hands and starts whining less than 5 minutes in!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cY-3FPaAZY
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I think he even got himself back up to just about even at one point but Vic being Vic had to play until he lost.
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He's the typical compulsive degen who thinks he's "one more hand" from the Big One and keeps playing til he loses every chip in front of him. He'd rather run down to his last chip and hit a Monster hand to break even, then win the first 4 hands and go up a decent but small profit!
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October 14th, 2022 at 7:13:30 PM permalink
It's more like how much he can lose in 30 or 60 minutes without a rebuy.
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October 15th, 2022 at 3:04:53 AM permalink
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I always remember walking through a casino, seeing someone get a $400 win, and then just spinning again as if nothing happened.
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That's what Advantage Players do.
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That's what smart players do so they aren't bothered for some lucky money or followed around the casino.
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October 15th, 2022 at 7:10:20 AM permalink
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I always remember walking through a casino, seeing someone get a $400 win, and then just spinning again as if nothing happened.
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That's what Advantage Players do.

There have been many times when I have hit for 10k+ And I have to remind myself to act excited.

A few times when I have hit jackpots and the slot attended says, "oh aren't you excited?" I just say, oh yeah, I can barely contain myself, but I want to keep it on the down low.

One time I even dosed off while waiting on a bigger hand-pay jackpot that was taking forever.
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What denominations were you playing to win the 10k?

tuttigym
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$100 a spin or so. I was playing a good promo.
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Wow. Just to let all know, that is way out of my league. No criticism here, just sayin.

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October 15th, 2022 at 4:26:14 PM permalink
He won a slot machine grand for 19.2k on a Patreon live stream last night. Video posted today.
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October 15th, 2022 at 6:28:18 PM permalink
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I always remember walking through a casino, seeing someone get a $400 win, and then just spinning again as if nothing happened.
link to original post

That's what Advantage Players do.

There have been many times when I have hit for 10k+ And I have to remind myself to act excited.

A few times when I have hit jackpots and the slot attended says, "oh aren't you excited?" I just say, oh yeah, I can barely contain myself, but I want to keep it on the down low.

One time I even dosed off while waiting on a bigger hand-pay jackpot that was taking forever.
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What denominations were you playing to win the 10k?

tuttigym
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$100 a spin or so. I was playing a good promo.
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Wow. Just to let all know, that is way out of my league. No criticism here, just sayin.

tuttigym
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If I feel I have a good enough advantage with a high probability of winning there are no limits other than my entire net worth as to what I'm willing to bet. I have played $1200 a spin on slots, I actually lost a little on that play ): Ill play 1 penny a spin if the earn is there.

A few months after I went AP full-time, Prim/State line basically had unlimited $5 match plays. You had to move to all the different games and tables and from casino to casino. I was only betting $5 a hand but the value ("free money") added up quickly. That was much more enjoyable than playing FPWD all day long.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 16th, 2022 at 6:15:19 AM permalink
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If I feel I have a good enough advantage with a high probability of winning there are no limits other than my entire net worth as to what I'm willing to bet. I have played $1200 a spin on slots, I actually lost a little on that play ): Ill play 1 penny a spin if the earn is there.


Interesting statement which I have difficulty wrapping my head around. Can you provide a scenario or example of "enough advantage with a high probability of winning" looks like? Can you define "high probability" as in percentage?

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October 16th, 2022 at 11:14:22 AM permalink
If you were presented with a 51% chance to double your net worth in exchange for a 49% chance of losing it all, would you take it? Probably not.

What about a 51% chance to triple your net worth? Maybe not if you were comfortably retired and had no prospects for ever recovering from a total loss. But if you're young and gainfully employed and your future earnings expectations are high relative your current net worth, then you probably should take the chance.
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