Omaha Hi/lo

Just starting and would like a basic strategy to start w/ .

Fold.

Hee hee. Seriously, you should fold like 80-90% of your starting hands in Omaha hi/lo, it's quite a game.

This is a cool website for starting out, full of good beginner articles:

http://lowlimitomaha.com/

Use the point system if you are having trouble intuitively grasping when a hand is good:

http://erh.homestead.com/Omaha.html

Check out this site for some basic info: http://www.playwinningpoker.com/omaha/strategy/

Good Luck!

Seriously, there is definitely a correlation between folding and winning.

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what is the average winning hand in hi and low ?

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Agreed, nut flush/Full House needed for success. There are over 16000 starting hands, because of the "2-card from the hand rule" trips and quads in the hand are bad hands. Generally speaking a hand composed of Ace with any three (AK2345) is very good as is King (KA2345). Having two low suited cards(esp. A2, A3, 23) is good as well as the AK suited. Its kind of odd, but the best hands are actually the low hands with intent of drawing the nut low str. fl. As such, you might find yourself buying in for nut low.

In a 9-player game, there are 5447 (of the 16432) starting hand shapes which will, on average, result in some sort of a win. Of these, there are 1311 which will win at least even money.

These results were determined by simulating one million 9-player rounds where each player stayed in until the showdown.
Slashes divide ranks of differing suits. For example, A2/A3 means an Ace and 2 of one suit, and an Ace and 3 of another suit.

Hand Shape	Return
A2/A3	2.972254
A3/A/2	2.737330
A2/A/3	2.736250
A2/A4	2.691773
A23/A	2.678975
23/4A	2.640777
24/3A	2.638235
2A/34	2.635154
2/3A/4	2.604718
2/3/4A	2.600506
2A/3/4	2.598267
24A/3	2.540613
A/A/23	2.538388
2/34A	2.538371
23A/4	2.537727
A/A/2/3	2.506861
2K/3A	2.482983
234A	2.482553
2A/3K	2.477425
23/2A	2.474685
2A/35	2.471989
23/5A	2.470268
25/3A	2.468951
A4/A/2	2.464782
A2/A/4	2.458425
2/3/5A	2.437435
2A/2/3	2.436823
2/3A/5	2.434170
2/2/3A	2.431399
2A/3/5	2.429186
2A/3Q	2.416802
2Q/3A	2.414667
2A/2A	2.407768
A2/A5	2.406958
234/A	2.400410
A24/A	2.400302
2/34/A	2.394670
24/3/A	2.390428
23/4/A	2.390308
32/3A	2.389491
23A/2	2.380582
2J/3A	2.373754
2/35A	2.373478
25A/3	2.371167
2A/3J	2.368228
23A/5	2.367798
2/3/4/A	2.357310
3A/3/2	2.353067
3/3/2A	2.345746
23/KA	2.330917
235A	2.320744
23/QA	2.315241
2A/3/K	2.302839
2/3A/K	2.302344
2/3/KA	2.300304
23/JA	2.298512
2/3A/Q	2.286747
2A/3/Q	2.285974
32A/3	2.285897
2/3/QA	2.277453
2A/3/J	2.274895
2T/3A	2.267420
2/3A/J	2.266270
2A/3T	2.264940
2A/36	2.263531
2/3/JA	2.262380
26/3A	2.260278
A/A/24	2.259581
23/6A	2.259340
23A/K	2.247204
23/2/A	2.242211
2/3K/A	2.240089
2KA/3	2.238641
2K/3/A	2.237901
2/3KA	2.237107
235/A	2.233725
2/3/6A	2.231849
2/35/A	2.226582
23/5/A	2.226279
23A/Q	2.226130
A/A/2/4	2.226126
23/TA	2.225606
2A/3/6	2.222915
25/3/A	2.222135
2/3A/6	2.221930
2/3QA	2.221354
2QA/3	2.219962
23A/J	2.211857
2/3JA	2.208640
2JA/3	2.208451
2/2/3/A	2.205223
23K/A	2.200442
24/2A	2.195093
2/3/5/A	2.194896
2/3/TA	2.191770
2A/3/T	2.186125
2A/2/A	2.184795
2/3A/T	2.182538
23KA	2.180838
2Q/3/A	2.179629
2/3Q/A	2.177510
A5/A/2	2.176567
23QA	2.170277
A2/A/5	2.167318
2/36A	2.166742
26A/3	2.164509
23A/6	2.162313
2A/2/4	2.160711
23JA	2.156207
2/2/4A	2.156153
23Q/A	2.155486
27/3A	2.154724
32/3/A	2.149416
23/7A	2.148251
2A/37	2.147421
2A/39	2.146819
29/3A	2.145820
A2/A6	2.140232
2A/38	2.140136
28/3A	2.133565
2/3J/A	2.132908
2A/4K	2.129245
2/3TA	2.128151
2J/3/A	2.127905
2TA/3	2.127748
23A/T	2.126675
23/9A	2.122157
2K/4A	2.121515
23J/A	2.119919
23/8A	2.119635
3/3/2/A	2.117498
2A/45	2.114884
236A	2.113138
24/5A	2.113131
25/4A	2.108804
A25/A	2.106359
23/K/A	2.105785
2/3/7A	2.105436
2A/3/7	2.104497
2/3A/7	2.103852
24A/2	2.102085
2/3/8A	2.084543
2/3/9A	2.084034
A2/AQ	2.081343
2A/3/9	2.080756
23/Q/A	2.079401
2/3A/9	2.079097
2/3A/8	2.078483
2A/3/8	2.078119
A2/AK	2.078017
2/4A/5	2.077789
2/4/5A	2.077056
23TA	2.075815
2A/4/5	2.072801
A2/AJ	2.069806
2Q/4A	2.066288
2A/4Q	2.065999
23/J/A	2.064722
2/3/K/A	2.061605
A2/AT	2.055211
2/37A	2.045527
27A/3	2.044597
2/3/Q/A	2.043940
23A/7	2.042585
2/3/J/A	2.036933
236/A	2.034336
2/39A	2.027914
2/3T/A	2.027630
23A/9	2.026679
29A/3	2.025719
2/36/A	2.024695
26/3/A	2.023170
2J/4A	2.022103
2/38A	2.021737
2T/3/A	2.021597
2A/4J	2.021516
28A/3	2.021127
23T/A	2.020361
23A/8	2.019620
2/45A	2.018224
23/6/A	2.016956
25A/4	2.015816
24A/5	2.014680
237A	1.990056
2/3/6/A	1.985038
42/4A	1.983690
24/KA	1.980177
A2/A7	1.978493
23/T/A	1.977420
239A	1.974669
A/A/25	1.973105
238A	1.969169
245A	1.962735
24/QA	1.962191
2/2/A/A	1.961499
24/2/A	1.960964
2A/4/K	1.956920
2/4A/K	1.952960
24/JA	1.949578
2/4/KA	1.947578
4/4/2A	1.940115
4A/4/2	1.939299
2/3/T/A	1.938777
A/A/2/5	1.937992
A2/A8	1.937694
2/4A/Q	1.936814
2A/4/Q	1.935615
2A/46	1.934981
2/2/4/A	1.933385
A2/A9	1.930302
26/4A	1.928698
2/4/QA	1.927702
2T/4A	1.927609
24/6A	1.926192
2/4A/J	1.923146
2A/4T	1.921407
237/A	1.916844
2A/4/J	1.916348
2/37/A	1.909990
A6/A/2	1.909915
2/4/JA	1.909648
25/2A	1.907280
27/3/A	1.906647
239/A	1.905868
29/3/A	1.904742
2/39/A	1.903710
A2/A/6	1.903236
2/4/6A	1.897048
238/A	1.896676
2/38/A	1.895679
23/7/A	1.895037
24A/K	1.894785
2/4A/6	1.890698
28/3/A	1.890082
2/4K/A	1.888728
2/4KA	1.886735
2A/4/6	1.886304
2K/4/A	1.885770
2KA/4	1.885511
24/TA	1.884152
42A/4	1.883037
23/9/A	1.881929
23/8/A	1.879891
245/A	1.878752
2A/2/5	1.876333
2/45/A	1.875904
24/5/A	1.873232
24A/Q	1.872587
25/4/A	1.872402
2/2/5A	1.868723
2/4QA	1.868532
2QA/4	1.867574
2/3/7/A	1.864724
2/4JA	1.861647
A2/A/A	1.861458
A2/A/K	1.858590
2JA/4	1.855885
24A/J	1.853733
A2/A/Q	1.852813
AK/A/2	1.852275
AQ/A/2	1.851179
24K/A	1.850684
A26/A	1.848967
2/4/TA	1.848762
A2/A/J	1.844762
AJ/A/2	1.844702
2/4A/T	1.842454
2A/4/T	1.841575
2/3/8/A	1.841125
2/3/9/A	1.840306
2/4/5/A	1.838491
24KA	1.837997
26A/4	1.835082
2/46A	1.831236
2A/47	1.829184
24A/6	1.827981
2/4Q/A	1.826562
24QA	1.825345
2Q/4/A	1.824405
27/4A	1.823053
2A/5K	1.821680
AT/A/2	1.820368
24/7A	1.819502
A2/A/T	1.817528
2K/5A	1.816533
25A/2	1.813472
29/4A	1.811324
2A/48	1.810093
2A/49	1.809904
28/4A	1.806058
24Q/A	1.803278
K2/KA	1.801354
24JA	1.801340
24/8A	1.796285
2/4TA	1.791621
A/A/2K	1.789943
2TA/4	1.787104
2A/4/7	1.785501
24/9A	1.783978
A2K/A	1.783782
24A/T	1.783539
246A	1.783004
2/4J/A	1.782884
2/4/7A	1.781132
A2Q/A	1.781032
2J/4/A	1.780649
2/4A/7	1.780466
A3/A4	1.780283
A2J/A	1.779868
24J/A	1.776161
2Q/5A	1.766126
A2T/A	1.759371
2A/5Q	1.759162
2/4/8A	1.758930
2A/4/8	1.755393
2/4A/8	1.754985
24/K/A	1.752352
2K/2A	1.749654
2/4/9A	1.748936
A7/A/2	1.745805
42/4/A	1.745053
2/4A/9	1.744664
A/A/2Q	1.741067
2A/4/9	1.739222
A2/A/7	1.738820
24TA	1.736971
24/Q/A	1.728661
2/47A	1.726859
24A/7	1.722790
27A/4	1.721664
24/J/A	1.717550
2/4/K/A	1.715977
2A/5J	1.713856
4/4/2/A	1.710414
A/A/26	1.709703
2J/5A	1.709401
2/48A	1.707569
A/A/2J	1.707483
A8/A/2	1.705136
A9/A/2	1.702875
28A/4	1.701285
A2/A/8	1.699834
246/A	1.697356
2/4/Q/A	1.696939
24A/8	1.696856
A2/A/9	1.696841
2/49A	1.692272
26/4/A	1.692029
2Q/2A	1.691204
2/46/A	1.690243
24A/9	1.689680
2/4T/A	1.687146
29A/4	1.686113
24/6/A	1.685233
24T/A	1.683088
2T/4/A	1.681207
A27/A	1.680713
Q2/QA	1.679860
2/4/J/A	1.678494
25/KA	1.676343
25/2/A	1.676140
A/A/2/6	1.673296
247A	1.672043
2A/2/2	1.668534
A/A/2T	1.658971
2J/2A	1.655983
25/QA	1.653634
2/4/6/A	1.651271
2/5A/K	1.648602
248A	1.648459
2A/5/K	1.645082
2A/56	1.642755
2/5/KA	1.641922
25/JA	1.641565
24/T/A	1.641488
A28/A	1.640108
A29/A	1.637860
2/2/5/A	1.636624
26/5A	1.636471
26/2A	1.636203
A/A/A/2	1.635306
K/K/2A	1.633778
KA/K/2	1.633288
249A	1.632889
2T/5A	1.629525
25/6A	1.629460
A/A/2/K	1.629185
2A/5T	1.628791
2/5A/Q	1.628239
3A/3A	1.628218
2A/5/Q	1.623624
52/5A	1.621798
A/A/2/Q	1.620426
2/5/QA	1.619603
2/5A/J	1.617756
A/A/2/J	1.615017
2A/5/J	1.610285
2/5/JA	1.604563
2A/2/6	1.603515
2/4/T/A	1.603175
2/5/6A	1.601851
2/5A/6	1.601527
A3/A5	1.597349
2/2/6A	1.596999
2A/5/6	1.593574
2A/QK	1.592728
247/A	1.590282
2/47/A	1.589088
25/TA	1.587442
5A/5/2	1.586026
A/A/2/T	1.585976
2K/QA	1.584747
25A/K	1.584071
2/5KA	1.583222
27/4/A	1.582318
2/5K/A	1.582238
2A/2/K	1.577397
2K/5/A	1.576662
2T/2A	1.576431
5/5/2A	1.576380
K2/K/A	1.575864
24/7/A	1.575782
249/A	1.574991
248/A	1.573500
2KA/5	1.573475
J2/JA	1.573390
K2A/K	1.572099
2A/JK	1.571847
2/48/A	1.571114
2/49/A	1.570966
29/4/A	1.570408
2A/2/Q	1.568050
28/4/A	1.566432
2K/JA	1.566181
2QA/5	1.566103
25A/Q	1.564506
2/2/KA	1.563323
2/5QA	1.559996
2A/2/J	1.557089
2/2/QA	1.555087
QA/Q/2	1.552578
24/8/A	1.551960
2JA/5	1.551442
2A/57	1.550935
Q/Q/2A	1.550368
27/5A	1.549868
2/5JA	1.548580
2/2/JA	1.547744
2K/6A	1.547304
A/A/27	1.547027
A4/A/3	1.546472
25A/J	1.545898
2A/6K	1.544916
A3/A/4	1.544812
2/5A/T	1.544740
25K/A	1.544598
2/4/7/A	1.543358
2Q/KA	1.542855
2/5/TA	1.542800
24/9/A	1.542427
25/7A	1.541724
2A/5/T	1.541411
28/5A	1.540372
2A/JQ	1.540029
2Q/JA	1.538660
26A/5	1.538235
2/56A	1.537189
26A/2	1.536082
2A/58	1.534300
25A/6	1.533599
23/24	1.530267
52A/5	1.529554
A/A/29	1.528273
25KA	1.527532
29/5A	1.527489
2A/59	1.525214
2/5Q/A	1.522458
A/A/28	1.520594
25/8A	1.519947
2K/2/A	1.519534
2Q/5/A	1.515184
2/4/8/A	1.513961
2KA/2	1.512626
2A/TK	1.511339
A/A/2/7	1.511288
2K/TA	1.510258
2/5/7A	1.509943
25QA	1.509674
2/5A/7	1.508318
25/9A	1.505679
2J/QA	1.504142
2/4/9/A	1.503153
25JA	1.501134
234/2	1.500723
2/2/34	1.500658
23/2/4	1.499946
2QA/2	1.499845
24/2/3	1.499103
2A/5/7	1.497400
2/2/TA	1.497004
2A/2/T	1.495741
2JA/2	1.494517
25Q/A	1.494037
2J/KA	1.491548
2/5TA	1.491236
2TA/5	1.489685
2/5A/8	1.487950
Q2A/Q	1.484718
2/5/8A	1.484418
2Q/6A	1.484164
A34/A	1.483007
2A/6Q	1.482190
2A/TQ	1.481116
25A/T	1.480598
JA/J/2	1.480204
J/J/2A	1.479731
2A/5/8	1.479090
256A	1.478652
2Q/TA	1.478646
27/2A	1.475445
2A/TJ	1.473383
2J/5/A	1.472892
2/5J/A	1.472368
A/A/2/8	1.470288
29/2A	1.465908
2Q/2/A	1.465479
2/5/9A	1.465362
25J/A	1.465341
2/2/3/4	1.463646
2J/TA	1.462162
2A/5/9	1.461185
A/A/2/9	1.459807
2/5A/9	1.459075
Q2/Q/A	1.452421
2/2/2/A	1.449580
25/K/A	1.447652
2/57A	1.446840
28/2A	1.445849
2A/6J	1.442993
2TA/2	1.442893
25A/7	1.442332
2J/6A	1.441633
25TA	1.440445
27A/5	1.438379
2T/JA	1.438180
2A/2/7	1.437946
2/58A	1.431464
2/2/7A	1.428914
2J/2/A	1.424683
28A/5	1.424075
25/Q/A	1.424019
25A/8	1.422286
J2A/J	1.421742
2T/QA	1.419979
2A/J/Q	1.417094
2A/Q/K	1.416933
2/Q/KA	1.415930
2/QA/K	1.414477
2/59A	1.411395
25/J/A	1.411132
2/JA/Q	1.409896
2T/KA	1.409296
K/K/2/A	1.408667
26/KA	1.406972
2/5/K/A	1.406861
26/2/A	1.406572
2/J/QA	1.406568
2A/J/K	1.405577
2A/7K	1.405139
256/A	1.404459
2A/2/9	1.404337
25A/9	1.404218
29A/5	1.400993
3A/3/A	1.400908
2A/2/8	1.400827
2K/7A	1.400538
2/56/A	1.399490
2/2/9A	1.397267
2/JA/K	1.396597
25/6/A	1.394722
257A	1.394695
52/5/A	1.394165
2/2/8A	1.394092
2/J/KA	1.393899
26/5/A	1.392391
2T/5/A	1.389798
2/5/Q/A	1.387333
2/5T/A	1.384586
26/QA	1.384035
A3/A6	1.383223
25T/A	1.381452
2A/9K	1.381081
2K/9A	1.378521
2T/6A	1.378510
2A/6T	1.376542
2A/8K	1.376262
2K/8A	1.376091
2/6A/K	1.375768
27A/2	1.373574
2/5/J/A	1.373026
258A	1.371413
26/JA	1.370679
2A/6/K	1.368833
2/2/6/A	1.368157
2/6/KA	1.367603
2/TA/J	1.366168
A5/A/3	1.365140
2/T/JA	1.363500
2A/T/J	1.360186
2/5/6/A	1.359955
24/35	1.359708
23/45	1.359352
2/6A/Q	1.358382
2K/Q/A	1.355324
25/34	1.355109
A3/A/5	1.354903
259A	1.354577
2QA/K	1.353710
T2/TA	1.353415
2JA/Q	1.352305
5/5/2/A	1.352156
2A/9Q	1.352091
2/TA/Q	1.351110
2QA/J	1.351056
2/6/QA	1.351010
2A/6/Q	1.350988
2KA/Q	1.350871
J2/J/A	1.350295
2/QK/A	1.348439
2/QKA	1.347699
2A/T/Q	1.347560
2Q/9A	1.347396
A/A/34	1.347283
2/2/K/A	1.347188
29A/2	1.343194
2/TA/K	1.342738
2/JQA	1.341844
28A/2	1.341391
2/T/QA	1.341213
2T/2/A	1.340420
25/T/A	1.339962
2/6A/J	1.337769
2JA/K	1.337453
2A/T/K	1.336706
2KA/J	1.336562
26/TA	1.336439
2K/J/A	1.336140
2J/9A	1.335476
2Q/7A	1.335199
2/JK/A	1.335050
2A/6/J	1.334979
2/2/Q/A	1.334683
2Q/8A	1.334609
2/6/JA	1.334393
2A/9J	1.333753
2A/7Q	1.333204
2A/8Q	1.331366
2/JKA	1.329098
2/T/KA	1.328386
2/35/4	1.328329
2/3/45	1.328221
62/6A	1.328171
32/34	1.327465
Q/Q/2/A	1.327187
245/3	1.326499
235/4	1.325330
2/2/J/A	1.324894
234/5	1.323459
2/34/5	1.321933
2345	1.321828
2/345	1.321514
25/3/4	1.321081
23/4/5	1.320333
24/3/5	1.316665
A3/AT	1.315679
A/A/3/4	1.315600
26A/K	1.314739
257/A	1.313721
2/JQ/A	1.313094
2QK/A	1.312699
2/57/A	1.311900
2/6KA	1.310744
A3/AQ	1.310084
2Q/K/A	1.310025
2J/8A	1.309985
2A/8J	1.309979
2TA/J	1.309106
2Q/J/A	1.308288
2K/6/A	1.306893
2A/7J	1.306764
A3/AK	1.306090
2/6K/A	1.306025
3K/4A	1.305473
2KA/6	1.304950
27/5/A	1.304264
2J/7A	1.303712
A3/AJ	1.303091
2JA/T	1.302315
A35/A	1.301872
2A/67	1.300734
34/3A	1.300184
2JK/A	1.300108
26A/Q	1.300067
258/A	1.299839
3A/4K	1.299668
25/7/A	1.299468
32/3/4	1.299340
2/TJA	1.298982
2/6/TA	1.297763
2/5/T/A	1.297714
2/6A/T	1.297513
324/3	1.297190
2A/68	1.295803
34/3/2	1.295740
2A/9T	1.293272
2/58/A	1.292994
2A/6/T	1.292700
27/6A	1.292390
2JQA	1.292318
3/3/24	1.291323
2/59/A	1.290948
2QA/6	1.290669
29/JA	1.290249
259/A	1.290183
2A/69	1.289692
2QKA	1.289476
2TA/Q	1.289217
2/6QA	1.289161
28/5/A	1.289002
28/6A	1.288819
26/7A	1.288151
23/25	1.285761
35/4A	1.283951
2T/9A	1.283531
2K/34	1.283343
2JQ/A	1.283202
2/3/4/5	1.283117
23/4K	1.282822
26/8A	1.282339
2QA/T	1.281362
2/TQA	1.280986
29/6A	1.280821
24/3K	1.280719
3A/45	1.280633
6A/6/2	1.280429
34/5A	1.279612
2JKA	1.279583
25/8/A	1.279550
26A/J	1.279428
29/5/A	1.279256
2/6JA	1.278675
TA/T/2	1.278059
2J/Q/A	1.277328
2/TK/A	1.276191
29/QA	1.274580
6/6/2A	1.274422
42/43	1.274217
2TA/K	1.274083
26K/A	1.271654
2JA/6	1.271256
2/2/T/A	1.270773
2K/T/A	1.270091
2A/8T	1.269699
2/TKA	1.268930
29/TA	1.268428
2J/K/A	1.266251
29/KA	1.264382
T/T/2A	1.263687
26/9A	1.263255
2KA/T	1.262643
2A/7T	1.261582
2T/8A	1.261114
3A/3/4	1.260682
25/9/A	1.260590
2/5/7/A	1.260514
26KA	1.259103
27/KA	1.259059
3/3/2/4	1.257724
2/2/35	1.257071
J/J/2/A	1.256828
3/3/4A	1.255889
235/2	1.253713
28/JA	1.253416
25/2/3	1.253199
2T/7A	1.252511
A4/A5	1.252025
2/6/7A	1.251994
2TJA	1.248897
2K/3/4	1.248138
2/6A/7	1.247842
2/3/4K	1.247758
2Q/6/A	1.246744
2/TQ/A	1.246668
A3/A7	1.246443
28/QA	1.246422
23/2/5	1.246155
2/6Q/A	1.244610
27/QA	1.243617
3/4/5A	1.243555
27/2/A	1.243406
28/KA	1.243287
2/6A/8	1.243270
2/3K/4	1.242942
27/JA	1.242790
3A/4Q	1.242701
2/6TA	1.242611
423/4	1.242532
3A/4/5	1.242043
3/4A/5	1.241505
43/4/2	1.241430
2A/6/7	1.241074
2/5/8/A	1.240266
2A/6/8	1.240109
26A/T	1.238116
2/6/8A	1.237952
26QA	1.237802
3Q/4A	1.237071
2/9A/J	1.235322
2TK/A	1.235302
2TA/6	1.235052
42/4/3	1.234473
2Q/T/A	1.234419
4/4/23	1.234093
28/TA	1.232484
2Q/34	1.231870
29/2/A	1.231665
2A/9/J	1.231318
2/TJ/A	1.230846
24/3Q	1.230214
2TQA	1.228916
23/4Q	1.228099
2/9/JA	1.226061
2J/T/A	1.225997
2/7A/K	1.225004
26JA	1.224695
2/6/9A	1.224612
2A/7/K	1.224552
2TQ/A	1.224164
26Q/A	1.223488
23/23	1.223476
62A/6	1.221965
2/5/9/A	1.221652
2/6A/9	1.220718
2A/6/9	1.219835
2/2/3/5	1.218557
2/9A/Q	1.218375
2A/9/Q	1.217417
28/2/A	1.217334
2TKA	1.216823
27/TA	1.216719
2TJ/A	1.215773
T2A/T	1.213321
2/7/KA	1.213318
43/4A	1.213077
2/8A/J	1.211748
2/34K	1.211219
2A/7/J	1.209751
2/9/TA	1.209189
4A/4A	1.208909
2A/9/K	1.208315
24K/3	1.208215
2T/J/A	1.207577
2/9/QA	1.207399
23K/4	1.207360
A3/A8	1.207163
2/7A/J	1.207137
2/9A/K	1.206579
2/8A/K	1.206515
92/9A	1.206037
2A/8/J	1.205220
2/9A/T	1.205080
4/4/2/3	1.204599
23/2/2	1.203353
2A/9/T	1.203185
2/2/7/A	1.202916
2/8A/Q	1.202839
34A/3	1.202461
26/34	1.201375
2A/8/K	1.200200
2/8/JA	1.200078
A3/A9	1.199540
2A/7/Q	1.199487
2/7A/Q	1.199471
2/7/JA	1.199444
2/6J/A	1.199113
2J/6/A	1.199100
2A/8/Q	1.197957
24/36	1.197459
23/46	1.196972
3J/4A	1.196756
2/9/KA	1.196296
2/7/QA	1.196063
2/67A	1.195970
3A/4J	1.195291
2/8/KA	1.193094
2/3/4Q	1.193044
23/2/3	1.192699
26A/7	1.192448
2/8/QA	1.191543
27A/6	1.191354
2/3Q/4	1.190193
2T/Q/A	1.188236
2Q/3/4	1.188222
26J/A	1.187693
24/3J	1.186611
26TA	1.186033
2J/34	1.185907
23/4J	1.185792
2/68A	1.183120
34A/5	1.182710
28A/6	1.182335
3/45A	1.181798
2/Q/K/A	1.181622
2/8/TA	1.181113
35A/4	1.179758
26A/8	1.179377
2/J/Q/A	1.179367
3/3/A/A	1.178805
4A/4/3	1.177412
2A/8/T	1.177326
2/7A/T	1.177183
2/8A/T	1.176626
234K	1.176412
26/K/A	1.175423
2/7/TA	1.175374
2T/K/A	1.175095
2A/7/T	1.173303
24Q/3	1.172388
82/8A	1.171904
29A/J	1.171903
2/34Q	1.171770
72/7A	1.171767
2/2/9/A	1.170858
2/9JA	1.170755
2/2/2/3	1.169716
2/346	1.169365
2A/78	1.168997
236/4	1.168474
246/3	1.167895
23Q/4	1.167822
4/4/3A	1.167265
2A/79	1.167118
2346	1.167063
29/7A	1.166963
2/69A	1.165743
2/2/8/A	1.165544
2A/89	1.164479
27A/K	1.164341
2JA/9	1.164064
234/6	1.163569
26/3/4	1.163479
2/J/K/A	1.163323
2/3/46	1.163066
29/8A	1.162366
28/7A	1.162290
K2/K3	1.161744
2/36/4	1.161492
26A/9	1.160652
2KA/7	1.160374
2/7KA	1.160082
2/34/6	1.159457
29A/6	1.159345
29A/Q	1.158106
23/4/6	1.157184
26/Q/A	1.156710
A/A/35	1.155925
2/7K/A	1.155848
24/3/6	1.155407
2/2/3/3	1.155369
2/3/4J	1.154081
2/9TA	1.152506
2/3J/4	1.151298
2QA/9	1.151247
2/9QA	1.151247
2K/7/A	1.150904
A6/A/3	1.150681
34/KA	1.149923
27/8A	1.149725
A3/A/6	1.149671
2TA/9	1.148952
2J/3/4	1.148892
9A/9/2	1.148744
27A/J	1.148249
2/8JA	1.147390
29A/K	1.147366
234Q	1.146980
27A/Q	1.146973
23J/4	1.146920
28/9A	1.146867
28A/J	1.146355
2/7JA	1.144396
27/9A	1.144121
2/9K/A	1.143918
2/34J	1.143233
2/7QA	1.143025
28A/K	1.141892
267A	1.141751
29A/T	1.141741
24J/3	1.141387
3A/4T	1.141348
2QA/7	1.141037
2JA/7	1.140908
3T/4A	1.140896
2/9KA	1.140094
2K/9/A	1.140011
2/8KA	1.138880
2JA/8	1.138400
36/4A	1.138340
26/J/A	1.137565
2K/8/A	1.137361
34/QA	1.137091
2/6T/A	1.136671
2/8QA	1.136120
2T/6/A	1.135832
26T/A	1.135589
2/8K/A	1.135479
3A/46	1.134528
2KA/9	1.134525
28A/Q	1.134195
2KA/8	1.134123
2/T/J/A	1.134062
7A/7/2	1.134053
9/9/2A	1.133481
2/6/K/A	1.132295
34/6A	1.131695
268A	1.130663
2/8TA	1.128328
3/4A/K	1.128133
3A/4/K	1.127780
234J	1.126812
A/A/3/5	1.125533
34/JA	1.124534
27K/A	1.124118
2QA/8	1.123568
345A	1.123255
7/7/2A	1.122841
2/3/4/6	1.122306
8A/8/2	1.121900
3/4/KA	1.121594
2TA/8	1.121092
28A/T	1.120872
8/8/2A	1.118765
234/K	1.117763
29JA	1.115155
3A/4/Q	1.115003
269A	1.114604
2/T/Q/A	1.114490
27A/T	1.114393
T2/T/A	1.113803
2/9Q/A	1.113564
2/34/K	1.113125
2TA/7	1.113115
32/35	1.112402
2/7TA	1.111787
2/6/Q/A	1.111353
2/7A/8	1.110986
35/3A	1.110983
43A/4	1.110851
2Q/9/A	1.110225
3/4A/Q	1.110011
2A/7/8	1.109064
27KA	1.108099
2/7/8A	1.108070
24/3/K	1.107078
23/4/K	1.106951
29K/A	1.105274
29QA	1.104009
234/Q	1.100106
3/4/QA	1.100084
24/3/Q	1.099676
2/8/9A	1.099675
2/6/J/A	1.099097
2A/8/9	1.098947
2/7A/9	1.098735
28JA	1.098552
2/T/K/A	1.098062
2/7/9A	1.097981
28K/A	1.097636
2/8A/9	1.097446
3/4A/J	1.096590
2A/7/9	1.096330
23/4/Q	1.096300
K3/KA	1.095892
2/7Q/A	1.095800
2/34/Q	1.095694
3/4A/6	1.094909
34/TA	1.094906
2/9J/A	1.094904
3/4/6A	1.093258
23/4T	1.093202
3A/4/J	1.093058
3K/5A	1.093046
26/T/A	1.092910
29TA	1.092574
2/8Q/A	1.092343
27JA	1.092134
2Q/7/A	1.091668
234/J	1.091624
23/47	1.090234
A3/A/K	1.089324
2J/9/A	1.089199
2/34/J	1.088878
28KA	1.088667
3A/4/6	1.088524
29KA	1.088518
27QA	1.087934
2T/34	1.087576
24/37	1.087291
35/3/2	1.086822
AT/A/3	1.086617
2Q/8/A	1.086604
24/3T	1.086373
A36/A	1.086367
23/4/J	1.086307
3/4/JA	1.085840
29Q/A	1.085644
24/3/J	1.085483
3A/5K	1.085455
27/34	1.085429
29J/A	1.085244
28QA	1.085028
3/3/25	1.083448
A3/A/T	1.083339
325/3	1.082908
92A/9	1.082405
62/6/A	1.081295
A3/A/Q	1.080986
32/3/5	1.080275
3A/3/5	1.079302
AK/A/3	1.077146
28TA	1.076851
A3/A/J	1.076700
3/3/5A	1.076400
AJ/A/3	1.073120
27Q/A	1.073114
AQ/A/3	1.072719
2/3/4/K	1.072598
34A/K	1.071103
2J/8/A	1.070797
72A/7	1.070057
28Q/A	1.069945
29/34	1.069884
2/8J/A	1.069531
3/4/TA	1.069257
2/7J/A	1.068866
23/49	1.067718
3/4K/A	1.067692
24/39	1.067417
3/4KA	1.067272
2J/7/A	1.067220
34/3/A	1.066966
23/48	1.065928
28/34	1.064477
27TA	1.064271
267/A	1.063355
3K/4/A	1.062581
A4/A6	1.062344
24/38	1.060979
82A/8	1.060747
3/4A/T	1.060116
29/J/A	1.059791
2/347	1.059286
2/68/A	1.058991
2/9T/A	1.058787
2/3/4/Q	1.058574
28J/A	1.058260
247/3	1.057928
3A/4/T	1.057281
3KA/4	1.056756
268/A	1.056382
2/67/A	1.055702
2/3/47	1.055442
2/3T/4	1.055334
3A/47	1.054711
27A/8	1.054259
2/6/T/A	1.054161
27/6/A	1.054082
237/4	1.053348
28A/7	1.053320
2/78A	1.052922
2/34T	1.052773
2/3/4T	1.052752
27J/A	1.052325
6/6/2/A	1.052281
2/37/4	1.052150
24T/3	1.052105
29T/A	1.052088
2/69/A	1.051838
2347	1.051339
2T/3/4	1.051081
234/7	1.050746
26/7/A	1.049463
28/6/A	1.048861
27/3/4	1.048765
2/3/4/J	1.048388
34A/Q	1.048374
37/4A	1.047330
3/3/2/5	1.045915
3QA/4	1.045692
23T/4	1.045475
34/7A	1.045365
29/6/A	1.044328
269/A	1.044286
2T/9/A	1.043320
23/26	1.042018
345/A	1.041893
24/3/7	1.041816
29A/7	1.041295
27A/9	1.040937
234T	1.040209
A3/A/A	1.040038
2/34/7	1.039913
29/Q/A	1.039179
2/79A	1.039083
2/89A	1.039078
28A/9	1.038781
3/45/A	1.038484
T/T/2/A	1.038233
26/8/A	1.038073
3/4QA	1.037785
35/4/A	1.037398
29A/8	1.037324
34/5/A	1.037292
248/3	1.036448
3Q/5A	1.035977
23/4/7	1.035946
2/349	1.035706
2/348	1.035507
34A/J	1.035174
3/3/4/A	1.033336
249/3	1.032507
3/46A	1.031722
23/5K	1.031681
239/4	1.031253
2/38/4	1.030913
3JA/4	1.030652
34A/6	1.030386
25/3K	1.030364
3/4JA	1.029992
2K/35	1.029665
23/2K	1.029524
2/8T/A	1.029464
238/4	1.029441
2/39/4	1.029302
39/4A	1.029007
29/T/A	1.028862
36A/4	1.028235
29/K/A	1.027945
28/3/4	1.027519
2348	1.027517
29/3/4	1.027431
3A/49	1.026790
27/K/A	1.025853
2/3/49	1.025813
2T/8/A	1.025578
A3T/A	1.024730
2/3/48	1.024425
2349	1.023744
28/J/A	1.022408
38/4A	1.021627
3A/5Q	1.021410
34K/A	1.020946
234/8	1.020337
A5/A/4	1.018997
3A/48	1.018974
35A/3	1.018802
A7/A/3	1.017419
26/9/A	1.017095
28T/A	1.016076
2/7T/A	1.015875
34KA	1.015319
A3K/A	1.015003
A3Q/A	1.014405
A/A/3K	1.014180
24/3/8	1.013403
23/4/8	1.013354
2T/7/A	1.013064
A3J/A	1.012803
236/2	1.012554
A4/A/5	1.012361
3/4/7A	1.012172
34/8A	1.011856
2/34/8	1.011597
27T/A	1.011499
234/T	1.010818
27/J/A	1.010480
26/2/3	1.009426
28/K/A	1.009196
A3/A/7	1.009150
2/6/7/A	1.009137
28/Q/A	1.008705
27/Q/A	1.008496
234/9	1.008273
2/3/4/7	1.007737
2/2/36	1.007715
23/4/T	1.007456
Q2/Q3	1.007311
3/4A/7	1.006208
2/34/T	1.005870
24/3/T	1.004707
3/4TA	1.004556
34/9A	1.004059
3/4/5/A	1.003995
3TA/4	1.003910
23/4/9	1.003681
3A/4/7	1.003426
2/34/9	1.003234
23/2/6	1.002361
3Q/4/A	1.001909
34A/T	1.000945
278A	1.000799

(To keep this post from being longer than it already is, hands returning more than zero but less than 1 are omitted, as are hands which return less than zero.)

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Quote: sodawater

Amazing research, JB. Thanks a lot.

One thing I noticed...

23/4A 2.640777
24/3A 2.638235
2A/34 2.635154


I take it that the different returns for these hands are totally due to random variation in the simulation? Because I can't see how these are different hands at all in terms number of wins. I guess it's easier to make a SF with 2/3 suited than 2/4 suited -- but that doesn't explain why the 2/4 suited with A/3 suited is ranked higher than the 3/4 suited with A/2 suited.

Random variation is a possibility. If I were to speculate, I would guess that it might also be due to the number of ways the Ace-low straight flushes which can be made could be counterfeited (beaten by a higher straight flush).

In the top hand, with the A4, only 235 makes the SF, but if the 6 and 7 come out too, it is beaten by 89.
In the middle hand, with the A3, only 245 makes the SF, but if the 6 comes out too, it is beaten by 78.
In the bottom hand, with the A2, only 345 makes the SF, but it is beaten by 67.

So the top hand has a lower chance of its Ace-low straight flush being counterfeited than the middle hand, and the middle hand has a lower chance of its Ace-low SF being counterfeited than the bottom hand.

In my poker days, I made quite a bit of money playing Omaha hi-lo at lower limits. You should definitely read the websites and/or books and look at the math research, but personally, I look for disgruntled hold-em players. It always seemed to me that you would get hold-em players would were getting frustrated at getting "bad" cards, or low cards. Then they hear that Omaha hi-lo is played with a split, and they figure that with the way their hands have been running, they'd at least have a chance at getting half the pot. So disgruntled, upset hold-em players were the easiest fleecing at an Omaha hi-lo table.

Of course, this was all back in the day when poker wasn't as popular as it is now and it was difficult to find an Omaha hi-lo. Perhaps now there are more expert players. But the key thing to remember is that you always want to win both sides of the pot, and thus you should only be playing hands in which you have a fair shot at winning both hi and lo. At low limit, many people will play anything with an Ace and a low card, hoping to luck into half the pot. If there are many people in a hand, the chances of you having the same low as another person rises pretty dramatically. You're better off folding than getting quartered (or worse) on a pot.

Also, if the casino offers Omaha hi-lo with a kill, jump on that game. I prefer a real kill to a modified kill, but any kill game, at low limit with sub-par players, is a winning combination.

Once you get proficient at starting hands etc the best way to make money, especially at low limit O8 is to play TAG(Tight Aggressive). Most of your opponents at the low limits are loose passive calling stations. If you play more aggressive you will get more value out of your hands but pay much less when drawing. If you are a beginner then you should basically have the nuts one way or be drawing to the nuts or else fold. It may seem boring but even playing this basic at low limits will be profitable due to the poor skill level of your opponents.

The edges at this game are bigger than most think, especially considering how poorly most people play this game.

Most people frown upon betting and raising with a naked nut low for example but there are times when you should be jamming with these hands. For example, if on the river and there are at least 3 others in the pot and you are last to act you should be raising with the naked nut low. If there are at least 4 people in the hand and you get quartered you at worst break even on this bet. Occasionally you will get 1/6 or 1/8 but it is pretty rare. Obviously use common sense, if the board is 2345X you should not be raising with just a wheel.

If in late position before the flop you should raise when you come in with almost any A2XX combination, you want to build pots in position with strong hands.

The number 1 thing people miss in these games is back to my first point, be aggressive. You need to learn what hands are pulling hands in omaha and what hands are pushing hands. Here is a good article on pushing/pulling hands, http://omaha8revealed.com/articles/omaha8/pushing-pulling-hands/

People are going to say, "how can you raise now there isn't even a flop yet?", its like card counting, when you have the edge you want more money out there, you won't always win but it is the right play. Don't be loose passive, it is a recipe for disaster in any poker game. If you are not comfortable firing in lots of bets play at a smaller limit, you can't look at the chips as money but as your tools.

If you have any specific questions fire away, I have been playing this game from low limits all the way up to pretty decent stakes for almost 10 years.

I take it you have read The Psychology of Poker Rubixxcube. I find it most excellent and would suggest it as required reading for any low-limit player.

Yeah, it is part of my vast collection of poker books. Another great read is "The Theory of Poker", it isn't game specific but discusses lots of general poker concepts very well that apply to almost all variants of poker.

High Low Split poker by Sklansky is another good book for beginners in O8, the book focuses on 2 games, Stud H/L and O/8 but is good for beginners.

I can recommend a very good poker forum for those interested in a good place for O/8 strategy and advice but I'm not sure if posting the link would violate terms on this forum. PM me if anyone is interested or mods let me know if it is ok to post link.

I consider the Rules ambiguous in this regard, which is why I have avoided linking to a Forum in a very recent post. I will consult with Wizard on this matter and give you a definitive answer in short order. I am inclined to allow it, at least pro hac vice as I have seen same done by established Members in the past without reprimand when it is contextual.

I have owned The Theory of Poker, and agree with your conclusion. However, I lent it to someone and it has not been returned. I am not upset because I think the re-read value of a book such as The Psychology of Poker is far greater. The latter is also especially good for a player who has experienced a few consecutive losing sessions because we do not lose understanding of how to play the game, or hand values, but we occasionally lose our understanding of the motivations of the other players. The re-read is good for correcting such loss.