weezrDASvegas
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March 7th, 2018 at 12:07:15 PM permalink
You always lose even when you win. There are two methods the online bandits make sure you always LOSE.

1) SIGN UP BONUS
Some of them bandits offer outrageous bonuses! I saw bonuses of 5000 Euros! ONE MUST AVOID THE BONUSES AT ALL COSTS! I knew about that extortion scheme and I declined the bonus. One must read carefully before accepting the signup bonus:

“Prior to accepting any bonus, you will be notified of the total Rollover Point amount that is tied to each bonus. This Rollover Point amount needs to be met in full prior to being able to request a withdrawal.”

Accepting the signup bonus is like accepting your own imprisonment. You are tied to your online account until you lose your money entirely. If you win, you can’t withdraw your money that includes the bonus. You must bet again and again and again. If you want to claim the bonus you must bet, on average, 10 times your initial deposit. Chances are big the vast majority of players will lose all their money after, say, 5 bets. Lose all your money means you also lost your signup “bonus”.

2) WITHDRAWAL
This is the most outrageous tactic applied by the online bandits. I put an online casino to the test. I placed a bet in the last Super Bowl. I had a high level of confidence I’d win by betting on Philadelphia Eagles +5. I did win easily as I posted my bet at least two days before the game.

Now, I wanted to withdraw all the money in my account.
First, the player is hit by an outrageous FEE: US$ 60. The worst is still to come. Here is what the online criminal casino I dealt with email me after my withdrawal request:

“Thank you for contacting GTbets.eu.
• We would like to inform you that in order to receive a payout, should you have deposited by credit, prepaid or debit card, you will be required to fill out our Credit Card Authorization Form verifying the original charges before any payments can be processed.
• We need from you:
• Front & Back copy of the credit card ending – ****
• Front & Back copy of your ID
• Signed authorization form ( Contact us for the electronic form)
• Recent utility bill ( not older than 3 months)”


They already verified my ID and also security requirements when I opened my account. Now, they go dangerously further, including disclosing sensitive information. Revealing credit card and other personal data can lead and usually leads to DISASTER: ID theft, banking breaches, etc. But the criminals claim: “… the security procedures are given to you in the email so you can protect yourself from Identity theft as well.”

Those “requirements” are only elements of a scheme to make it virtually impossible to withdraw your own money. Forget about bonus and all that garbage!

I warned about the criminal online gambling outlets in the early 2000s. The online bandits are more sophisticated than ever — and more criminal than ever!

There have been strong warnings all over the Internet:

saliu. com/ bbs/ messages/ 844. html
“Online, Internet Casinos Survive Only by Cheating the Gamblers.”

saliu. com/ bbs/ messages/ 850. html
“Reports of Cheating in Online, Internet Gambling.”

But, hey, all gambling has always been the realm of organized crime. You go to Las Vegas, enter a casino, and gamble with the hope of winning. No one is warned at the entrance “You are not allowed to win!” It happens that you win, the casino management starts panicking; they fear you are a “trained winner”. You might as well end up in what they call “back room”. They might as well beat the lights out of you…
billryan
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March 7th, 2018 at 12:19:47 PM permalink
You lost money on the Super Bowl just to prove a point you already knew?
weezrDASvegas
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March 7th, 2018 at 1:04:10 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

You lost money on the Super Bowl just to prove a point you already knew?


I’ll get my money back (less $60), don’t worry. I didn’t bet big. But I gathered valuable evidence to fight the online bandits.

This should be a law for all online gamblers:

DO NOT TOSS YOUR MONEY IN THE CYBER ABYSS! THE ONLINE CASINOS WILL TIE UP ALL YOUR FUNDS, FORCING YOU TO BET, AND BET, AND BET… UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT IN YOUR ACCOUNT.

Betting on horses is the best path, at horse tracks or off-track-wagering (OTW) facilities. They are legal, they are correct, they pay you to the last dime, and they never cheat you. (Maybe mafia still barge their ugly noses in some races, here and there, now and then — but cheating is now far, far less present.)

Even underground sport betting is better than online betting. The shadow bookies still pay you. I heard some shadow bookies did get mad in the past; that happens far, far more rarely now.
lilredrooster
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March 7th, 2018 at 1:08:17 PM permalink
Quote: weezrDASvegas

You always lose even when you win. There are two methods the online bandits make sure you always LOSE.




I believe there is a lot of truth in what you are saying.

Even more amazing is that when you google " GTbets.eu reviews" the four top results show 3.5, 4.5, 4.5, and 4 out of 5 stars.

Since when you search reviews of anything you almost never get 5 out of 5 stars the 4.5 star rating GTbets.eu got from safebettingsites.com and bettingbrain.com is suspicious.

The online betting business is a travesty. Maybe not with every site but with a lot of them.

But many gamblers don't really even care; they don't really play to win.

They just want to get as much action as they can before their $ disappear into the black hole.

Very nice and helpful post for those wise enough to heed it.
"but I don't care too much for money..........money can't buy me love".............. the Beatles
weezrDASvegas
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March 7th, 2018 at 2:43:42 PM permalink
Quote: weezrDASvegas

I’ll get my money back (less $60), don’t worry. I didn’t bet big. But I gathered valuable evidence to fight the online bandits.

This should be a law for all online gamblers:

DO NOT TOSS YOUR MONEY IN THE CYBER ABYSS! THE ONLINE CASINOS WILL TIE UP ALL YOUR FUNDS, FORCING YOU TO BET, AND BET, AND BET… UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT IN YOUR ACCOUNT.

Betting on horses is the best path, at horse tracks or off-track-wagering (OTW) facilities. They are legal, they are correct, they pay you to the last dime, and they never cheat you. (Maybe mafia still barge their ugly noses in some races, here and there, now and then — but cheating is now far, far less present.)

Even underground sport betting is better than online betting. The shadow bookies still pay you. I heard some shadow bookies did get mad in the past; that happens far, far more rarely now.



Somehow scared after a short communication and hearing about authorities, they changed their position somehow:

“If you feel strongly about not providing your documents, we will simply void your winnings and refund you your money if you want.”
weezrDASvegas
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March 7th, 2018 at 3:03:58 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

I believe there is a lot of truth in what you are saying.

Even more amazing is that when you google " GTbets.eu reviews" the four top results show 3.5, 4.5, 4.5, and 4 out of 5 stars.

Since when you search reviews of anything you almost never get 5 out of 5 stars the 4.5 star rating GTbets.eu got from safebettingsites.com and bettingbrain.com is suspicious.

The online betting business is a travesty. Maybe not with every site but with a lot of them.

But many gamblers don't really even care; they don't really play to win.

They just want to get as much action as they can before their $ disappear into the black hole.

Very nice and helpful post for those wise enough to heed it.



You right. Some people want action, just action. I believe, however, that the majority of gamblers who open accounts with online casinos WANT TO WIN. A good percentage of them even believe they can win BIB-BIG!

Of course, they all are disappointed sooner or later. The “terms of service” are very well-hidden at sign-up. The intent of the online casinos is very clear: HIDE discouraging information. The Law always takes INTENT into account.

As for “reviews”, they are either written by the bandits themselves, or, the reviews are paid-for. Like those fake reviews on Amazon. Or like the requests I have received to publish “articles” written by online gambling outlets.

The bottom line is: Gamblers, expect your online accounts to reach 0 (zero, zilch, nada) even if you happen to win now and then. There are the individual withdrawal fees. You would think: “Well, I’ll bet some more and win some more. Then I withdraw larger sums and pay one fee only.” Yeah, but several consecutive bets will guarantee a higher probability to lose. Remember, you play against a house edge.

And then, if you are that lucky, you accept the withdrawal fee. The online bandits/criminals thought it out. They ask you to send very risky information by email, like credit card info, banking info. That kind of info bears very high risks. You might lose a lot more than your net winnings. Again, if you are that lucky and withstand a long series of bets…
MrV
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March 7th, 2018 at 3:59:24 PM permalink
Online casinos: home of degenerate gamblers, fools, and shut ins.

'Nuf said.
Last edited by: MrV on Mar 7, 2018
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terapined
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March 7th, 2018 at 5:11:05 PM permalink
A few years ago when Zuga and his gang bought the site and put up online casino ads, I looked closely into this out of curiosity
I read all the fine print
It was pretty awful
Bottom line, if an online casino does not want to pay, they really don't have to due to the fine print.


"In the event that Las Vegas USA Casino believes a User is abusing or attempting to abuse a bonus or other promotion, or is likely to benefit through abuse or lack of good faith from a gaming policy adopted by Las Vegas USA Casino then Las Vegas USA Casino may, in its absolute discretion, deny, withhold or withdraw from a User any bonus or other promotion, or rescind any policy in respect of that User, either temporarily or permanently. "

The 1st sentence the key word is "believes" I would rather see the word "proves"

They follow UK law

"This Agreement, the interpretation and execution thereof, and the relationship between the parties, shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of the United Kingdom."

Yet you have to file in Panama which is pretty weird.

"Any claim or dispute arising either directly or indirectly out of this Agreement, shall be brought before the competent court of the country of Panama which court shall have exclusive jurisdiction"
"Everybody's bragging and drinking that wine, I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines, Come to Daddy on an inside straight, I got no chance of losing this time" -Grateful Dead- "Loser"
terapined
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March 7th, 2018 at 5:18:12 PM permalink
Just to pile on
They really really want you to take the bonus
The bonus in reality sucks because you are locked and cant make a withdrawal till you have played a ton.
They don't make it easy to reject the bonus

If you sign up, you have to take a bonus. Strange they don't let you sign up without a bonus. If you don't want the bonus, you have accept the bonus then send an email to remove the bonus.

"If you do not wish to participate, deposit and then email your request to
support@lasvegasusa.eu to remove the bonus funds before playing"
"Everybody's bragging and drinking that wine, I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines, Come to Daddy on an inside straight, I got no chance of losing this time" -Grateful Dead- "Loser"
Mission146
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March 7th, 2018 at 6:34:31 PM permalink
The cashout fee should have been in the Terms and could have been known before deposit, shame on the casino, if not.

As far as the information needed to get the withdrawal, extremely standard. I believe an online casino in a state such as NJ would want the same thing.
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