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GenoDRPh
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September 21st, 2022 at 4:46:21 PM permalink
Our minds are made up because ALL evidence supports our conclusions. Prove us wrong, and show us evidence that FACTUALLY shows differently.

Gene
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September 21st, 2022 at 5:20:47 PM permalink
Quote: GenoDRPh

Our minds are made up because ALL evidence supports our conclusions. Prove us wrong, and show us evidence that FACTUALLY shows differently.

Gene
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I hope it's never proven to your satisfaction because if it is the dealers will turn a cage with two dice in it.
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September 21st, 2022 at 5:52:37 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: GenoDRPh

Our minds are made up because ALL evidence supports our conclusions. Prove us wrong, and show us evidence that FACTUALLY shows differently.

Gene
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I hope it's never proven to your satisfaction because if it is the dealers will turn a cage with two dice in it.
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They may allow the shooter to turn the cage.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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September 21st, 2022 at 6:44:25 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Of course the multi billion dollar industry is filled with idiots...

You got that right. Didn't the casino at one time hire coolers?

I remember a story about how some random roller dude tossed 18 yo's in a row, and all the stick man did was rattle the dice around a bit or whatever, and everyone acted as if it was no big deal.

Heck, no one ever even bet the yo. Talk about a bunch of idiots.

Except of course for this one guy, he was super duper smart. He didn't give in to the temptation to bet it, Nope...not even after the 10th yo in a row, the 11th yo in a row, the 13 yo in a row, the 14th in a row, the 15th yo in a row, the 16th in a row, the 17th yo in a row.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 21st, 2022 at 7:44:46 PM permalink
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Of course the multi billion dollar industry is filled with idiots...

You got that right. Didn't the casino at one time hire coolers?

I remember a story about how some random roller dude tossed 18 yo's in a row, and all the stick man did was rattle the dice around a bit or whatever, and everyone acted as if it was no big deal.

Heck, no one ever even bet the yo. Talk about a bunch of idiots.

Except of course for this one guy, he was super duper smart. He didn't give in to the temptation to bet it, Nope...not even after the 10th yo in a row, the 11th yo in a row, the 13 yo in a row, the 14th in a row, the 15th yo in a row, the 16th in a row, the 17th yo in a row.
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Yes. What idiot would expect another yo to be thrown. The yo is a sucker's bet.
Ask any AP. They bet pass with max odds.
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September 21st, 2022 at 9:33:13 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

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Yes. What idiot would expect another yo to be thrown. The yo is a sucker's bet.
Ask any AP. They bet pass with max odds.
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nah, we bet hardways. pass or dp (with or without odds) is negative ev. unless, of course, youíre a di
Itís all about making that GTA
GenoDRPh
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September 21st, 2022 at 9:46:19 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: GenoDRPh

Our minds are made up because ALL evidence supports our conclusions. Prove us wrong, and show us evidence that FACTUALLY shows differently.

Gene
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I hope it's never proven to your satisfaction because if it is the dealers will turn a cage with two dice in it.
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Based on the mathematics of a different yet concurrent thread, maybe I should re-evaluate my position.

Let's say hypothetically that I am more open minded about this actually being probable than before. Yet there is still the issue of an almost complete lack of evidence of this actually occurring. While I am willing to soften my stance (not that the dice gods care what I think), I still respectfully require valid evidence.

Gene
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September 21st, 2022 at 10:20:44 PM permalink
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Quote: AlanMendelson

Of course the multi billion dollar industry is filled with idiots...

You got that right. Didn't the casino at one time hire coolers?

I remember a story about how some random roller dude tossed 18 yo's in a row, and all the stick man did was rattle the dice around a bit or whatever, and everyone acted as if it was no big deal.

Heck, no one ever even bet the yo. Talk about a bunch of idiots.

Except of course for this one guy, he was super duper smart. He didn't give in to the temptation to bet it, Nope...not even after the 10th yo in a row, the 11th yo in a row, the 13 yo in a row, the 14th in a row, the 15th yo in a row, the 16th in a row, the 17th yo in a row.
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Yes. What idiot would expect another yo to be thrown. The yo is a sucker's bet.
Ask any AP. They bet pass with max odds.
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It's no longer a sucker bet after 10 in a row(less, but let's go with 10) its almost certainly a situation that's no longer random where you have a huge advantage.

I can ask any sain legitimate AP and they would all come to the conclusion something is up and you'd be a fool not to bet or run (run because you don't want to be associated with any shenanigans).
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 21st, 2022 at 10:28:15 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

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Yes. What idiot would expect another yo to be thrown. The yo is a sucker's bet.
Ask any AP. They bet pass with max odds.
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nah, we bet hardways. pass or dp (with or without odds) is negative ev. unless, of course, youíre a di
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Why not bet the hardways? If you bring x amount and you're going to play craps until it's gone or you're up x amount, I really don't see the difference other than the length of time you'll be there on average.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 22nd, 2022 at 11:39:54 AM permalink
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Latest posts are here
https://www.casinocitytimes.com/frank-scoblete/archives/
and there is nothing about disavowing dice control, or disavowing anything else in fact at least two blog posts from 2018

https://www.casinocitytimes.com/frank-scoblete/article/the-quotable-captain-dice-control-66064
How easy is it to learn how to control the dice? It took me three years to get fairly good at it Ė and I had the best models playing next to me.

https://www.casinocitytimes.com/frank-scoblete/article/the-quotable-captain-the-struggle-66063

seem to reaffirm his believe in it.

Tuttigym's post is unclear anyway - refers maybe more to Scoblete's backing away from some persons and personalities involved with dice control than disavowing belief in dice control.

I found this "Golden Touch Craps" website
https://www.goldentouchcraps.com/
and there is mention of Scoblete
https://www.goldentouchcraps.com/dombio.shtm
According to author Frank Scoblete, "Along with Tony Lee, the Dominator is the most devastating dice shooter in the world today. If anyone has a chance to break the World Record of craps rolls before a seven out, it is the Dominator. He is beauty in motion when he throws the dice. He's also a terrific blackjack player and a great poker player. The man is a serious threat to the casino bankroll."

and then I also found this one
http://www.goldentouchcasino.com/
which links to https://www.goldentouchcraps.com/
(Both domains registered with Ionus, almost definitely owned by the same person or entity, although privacy guarded WhoIs so we can't know for sure who owns them.)

And on the http://www.goldentouchcasino.com/ website, here
http://www.goldentouchcasino.com/frankbio.shtml
It lists how to contact Frank Scoblete via his mailing address, phone number, and email, so it would seem that Scoblete is still associated with both websites.
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Yet with all the hullaballoo about Scoblete and Dominator, neither one can make a living PLAYING craps; neither one goes into a casino wearing masks to hide their identity; and neither one are excommunicated from casinos simply because when they do manage to play, they lose at about the same rate as the tourists they fleece with their "schools," getogethers, and seminars.

tuttigym

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