Does Dice Settig Work? You Bet!
I've seen them all behind a dozen or so cocktails at Ellis Island.
That having been said, Even the Wizard said there's something to it. Let the Force be With you Luke Skywalker.
There is some unseen mythicalogical power of collective suggestion that dictates the electromagnetic pulsation of the universe, and it can make those dice come up on your number. Believe it.
So if you truly believe, it will happen.
Write it down, and a journal if you will and have a plan, and repeat over and over,
The Dice Are Mine!
The Dice Are Mine!
7 out.
and over and outQuote: LGTVEGAS
7 out.
Quote: LGTVEGASEven the Wizard said there's something to it.
When did I say that?
Quote: WizardWhen did I say that?
Maybe hey meant this guy:
Quote: WizardWhen did I say that?
I think what you wrote in expectations for the dice setter suggests there is something to it. Not sure if that’s exactly what you meant, but that was also my takeaway.
This part:
“Personally, I'm still skeptical. I don't rule out the possibility, but I'm not convinced. Most casinos happily allow it. If I ran a casino, I would allow it too, because I think the number of people who can influence the dice (if any) is far outweighed by the number who think they can, but can't. Still some people I respect do believe in it, mainly Stanford Wong, who trained under Golden Touch Craps.”
I guess it’s also important to keep in mind that the context is an article describing the math for dice setting under the assumption that there is “something to it”.
Quote: gamerfreakI think what you wrote in expectations for the dice setter suggests there is something to it. Not sure if that’s exactly what you meant, but that was also my takeaway.
This part:
“Personally, I'm still skeptical. I don't rule out the possibility, but I'm not convinced. Most casinos happily allow it. If I ran a casino, I would allow it too, because I think the number of people who can influence the dice (if any) is far outweighed by the number who think they can, but can't. Still some people I respect do believe in it, mainly Stanford Wong, who trained under Golden Touch Craps.”
I guess it’s also important to keep in mind that the context is an article describing the math for dice setting under the assumption that there is “something to it”.
None of that means I said there was "something to it." I only made that page about dice setting odds because Wong's book caused quite a stir but nobody had really answered the question of how dice setting works, if indeed it does. Since I can't disprove dice setting doesn't work, I'm not going to totally rule it out. However, after at least ten years of this topic being debated, I've yet to see any convincing evidence there is anything to it other than a way of selling books and lessons about it.
Quote: WizardQuote: gamerfreakI think what you wrote in expectations for the dice setter suggests there is something to it. Not sure if that’s exactly what you meant, but that was also my takeaway.
This part:
“Personally, I'm still skeptical. I don't rule out the possibility, but I'm not convinced. Most casinos happily allow it. If I ran a casino, I would allow it too, because I think the number of people who can influence the dice (if any) is far outweighed by the number who think they can, but can't. Still some people I respect do believe in it, mainly Stanford Wong, who trained under Golden Touch Craps.”
I guess it’s also important to keep in mind that the context is an article describing the math for dice setting under the assumption that there is “something to it”.
None of that means I said there was "something to it." I only made that page about dice setting odds because Wong's book caused quite a stir but nobody had really answered the question of how dice setting works, if indeed it does. Since I can't disprove dice setting doesn't work, I'm not going to totally rule it out. However, after at least ten years of this topic being debated, I've yet to see any convincing evidence there is anything to it other than a way of selling books and lessons about it.
I heard it works if you're at the table on a unicycle. 🙃
New Challenge in the works. 3 V set on a unicycle.
Or might not be real.
Quote: Mission146Dice setting seems to have a lot in common with the concept of, “God,” doesn’t it?
No it doesn't IMHO. If you really really need "God", he's there for you. If you really really need an eight to come up on the die it's only there five out of thirty six times over the long run. Many have asked "God" to give them an eight or four etc., but they are just praying for it. Not really asking "God". The difference between prayer and asking "God" could be explained here but I'll leave that up to the individual and of course, "God" himself.
ps: Selling of a "course" in dice setting might get confused with people asking for money using "God", but please don't let that confuse the real issue. Thanks and God Bless You.
Quote: NokTangNo it doesn't IMHO. If you really really need "God", he's there for you. If you really really need an eight to come up on the die it's only there five out of thirty six times over the long run. Many have asked "God" to give them an eight or four etc., but they are just praying for it. Not really asking "God". The difference between prayer and asking "God" could be explained here but I'll leave that up to the individual and of course, "God" himself.
ps: Selling of a "course" in dice setting might get confused with people asking for money using "God", but please don't let that confuse the real issue. Thanks and God Bless You.
If the O/U on there being a, "God," out there is 5/36, I'm going to load up on the under. Of course, it's either (at least) one, or zero, so I guess the line would be set at 0.5 either way.
In all seriousness, thanks for the kind words, and if there is a God, may he/she bless you as well.
But he loves BINGO.Quote: onenickelmiracleGod doesn't play dice.
God doesn't play dice with the universe but he seems to play with my passline bet.Quote: onenickelmiracleGod doesn't play dice.
Seriously, casinos just want the dice to be in motion, they don't care if there is some weird setting going on as long as its done instantly. Casinos do not want the song, dance or delay of dice setters.
A decision to keep the game moving is not an endorsement of the existence of dice setting skills. Heck even dice setters admit they often roll losing results, The house just wants their house edge to apply and it doesn't apply during someone's exaggerated song and dance.
Quote: FleaStiffGod doesn't play dice with the universe
Flea,
Didn't you get the memo? Einstein's assertion that God doesn't play dice with the universe has been proven wrong, Wrong, WRONG by more recent discoveries in quantum mechanics and theoretical physics.
Einstein could not accept that "entangled" particles separated from one another by reasonable distances could create a "non-local relationship" where changes to one particle could instantly affect the other. CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, demonstrated particle entanglement over distances as great as 50 kilometers.
I think the OP may be more correct than not. Everything connects to everything in a web of shared conscious energy. Max Planck, a founder of quantum mechanics, said, "Consciousness is fundamental. Matter is derivative of consciousness. You cannot get behind consciousness."
Some can leverage this "conscious energy" productively at the craps table. My advice to the OP: If you can harness the "mythicalogical power of collective suggestion that dictates the electromagnetic pulsation of the universe," then you should enjoy your wins when playing craps. Who cares if others insist it is only "positive variation"?
Quote: LuckyPhowQuote: FleaStiffGod doesn't play dice with the universe
Flea,
Didn't you get the memo? Einstein's assertion that God doesn't play dice with the universe has been proven wrong, Wrong, WRONG by more recent discoveries in quantum mechanics and theoretical physics.
Einstein could not accept that "entangled" particles separated from one another by reasonable distances could create a "non-local relationship" where changes to one particle could instantly affect the other. CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, demonstrated particle entanglement over distances as great as 50 kilometers.
I think the OP may be more correct than not. Everything connects to everything in a web of shared conscious energy. Max Planck, a founder of quantum mechanics, said, "Consciousness is fundamental. Matter is derivative of consciousness. You cannot get behind consciousness."
Some can leverage this "conscious energy" productively at the craps table. My advice to the OP: If you can harness the "mythicalogical power of collective suggestion that dictates the electromagnetic pulsation of the universe," then you should enjoy your wins when playing craps. Who cares if others insist it is only "positive variation"?
There is something to it.... Cant see it, hear it, feel it , taste it, or smell it, but energy is real! Just last night I was on the craps table and was up as usual. I hung around, which is not common for me but I had some friends to meet up with. I was up 600 after several rounds of in and outs. I then went to another table and just played around with 100 for shuts and giggles. I watch so much negativity and pissed off people jump in the middle of rolls and immediately 7 out. I then got the dice and started shooting with no care in the world. I only had 10 bucks on all the numbers. I rolled about 8 numbers quickly and fluently.... and then in the middle of the roll some short angry bull came running to the table and threw 3000 bucks down. He started yelling 300 on every number... come on , come on , lets go. Yelling at the dealers. The dice were held up for 5 minutes as they counted the money. I told him he made a big mistake and that I wouldnt work the bets if I were him. He was ready to cuss me out , but everyone else on the table agreed with me and know my game. I called my bets off. Most people on the table called their bets off. The short angry bull insisted to make his bets work. Well, needless to say, the next roll was a 7 out. I hated to see him lose it... but then again, i warned him. Im not going to preach energy again.... but it is real fellows. You are either in tune with it, or you're not.
As far as dice setting goes..... I can't stand when people play with the dice for minutes and set them before they shoot. I havent seen anyone have a good long roll yet when doing it.
Quote: LuckyPhow"entangled" particles separated from one another
SOME CAN LEVERAGE THE "CONSCIOUS ENERGY" PRODUCTIVELY AT THE CRAPS TABLE
the theory of entanglement has absolutely nothing to do with winning at craps.
it's very sad they you give gamblers false information which could easily contribute to their becoming problem gamblers if they were to heed your words
this is the year 2018. The U.S. has sent a rocket to within 8,000 miles of Pluto which is a few billion miles away
if what you say is true do you really think that it could not easily be proven by a mathematician or a physicist?
if you had advised gamblers how to have fun at a house game I would have no problem with that
but your words are way out of bounds
Quote: WatchMeWinThere is something to it.... Cant see it, hear it, feel it , taste it, or smell it, but energy is real! ... You are either in tune with it, or you're not.
Nicely stated. I admit mathematicians cannot prove comments such as ours about energy are either true or false. That is because energy cannot be "proven," but rather only "embraced" when it presents itself.
I noticed this after the 2008 economic recession. Too many (relatively) poor gamblers were playing craps, and their table talk made it abundantly clear they were desperate to win some money (for things like rent or food, etc.) The table energy variance (or whatever) was favorable until some clod joins the game. After the point is set, he might place relatively big bets on the 4 and 10 (or something equally speculative). Even though shooters were doing well to avoid the undesirable seven prior to his arrival, he would fling invectives at the shooter. "Can't you roll a damn 4, Shooter? Fer crying out loud, hit the 4 or the 10, dammit!" That kind of player sure can pollute the table energy in one helluva hurry. It happened so often to me, that I basically stopped playing craps for almost 2 years.
Like many gamblers, I embrace the mantra that one should not play with scared money because it so often loses. My perspective is that those gamblers bring the bad energy by trying to force results they favor. The "negative variance" those gamblers experience too often skews negatively more than a good statistician would predict, hence the mantra. And, plenty of craps players (dare I say "most"?) have seen situations where scared money loses, especially where the gambler is overly agitated, emotional, and hostile. IMHO, the negative variance that so often results is triggered by the energy brought to the table by the desperate gambler.
Of course, YMMV. Say it has nothing to do with energy if you choose, or not.
All you need to do is start recording die rolls from the point that you declare the "energy" to be "good" until the time you declare the "energy" to be "bad" and compare the results to statistical expectation.
A caveat: you do not get to include any rolls before the "energy" was declared "good" or after the "energy" was declared "bad" in the measurements, and must use all of the rolls between the declarations in the results.
Quote: WatchMeWinI think the OP may be more correct than not. Everything connects to everything in a web of shared conscious energy. Max Planck, a founder of quantum mechanics, said, "Consciousness is fundamental. Matter is derivative of consciousness. You cannot get behind consciousness." Some can leverage this "conscious energy" productively at the craps table. My advice to the OP: If you can harness the "mythicalogical power of collective suggestion that dictates the electromagnetic pulsation of the universe," then you should enjoy your wins when playing craps. ?
Ah yes, mind-dice control.
I think Scoblete has a new book coming out on the subject.
Quote: WatchMeWinThere is something to it.... Cant see it, hear it, feel it , taste it, or smell it, but energy is real! Just last night I was on the craps table and was up as usual.
No brag, just fact.
Time to break out the hip boots, the effluent is getting deep.
Why not use this information to your advantage?Quote: LuckyPhowNicely stated. I admit mathematicians cannot prove comments such as ours about energy are either true or false. That is because energy cannot be "proven," but rather only "embraced" when it presents itself.
I noticed this after the 2008 economic recession. Too many (relatively) poor gamblers were playing craps, and their table talk made it abundantly clear they were desperate to win some money (for things like rent or food, etc.) The table energy variance (or whatever) was favorable until some clod joins the game. After the point is set, he might place relatively big bets on the 4 and 10 (or something equally speculative). Even though shooters were doing well to avoid the undesirable seven prior to his arrival, he would fling invectives at the shooter. "Can't you roll a damn 4, Shooter? Fer crying out loud, hit the 4 or the 10, dammit!" That kind of player sure can pollute the table energy in one helluva hurry. It happened so often to me, that I basically stopped playing craps for almost 2 years.
Like many gamblers, I embrace the mantra that one should not play with scared money because it so often loses. My perspective is that those gamblers bring the bad energy by trying to force results they favor. The "negative variance" those gamblers experience too often skews negatively more than a good statistician would predict, hence the mantra. And, plenty of craps players (dare I say "most"?) have seen situations where scared money loses, especially where the gambler is overly agitated, emotional, and hostile. IMHO, the negative variance that so often results is triggered by the energy brought to the table by the desperate gambler.
Of course, YMMV. Say it has nothing to do with energy if you choose, or not.
Because of the Devilish nature of this energy. So you see some dude with scared money about to roll, say, and you think "wow I'm going Darkside". Ha, now you have brought some positive energy into the equation, which of course cancels out the negative energy. The dice go random or even [remember the devilish part] decide to pick you off instead of Scared Dude. If you listen closely, even over the noise you can hear diabolical laughter.Quote: AxelWolfWhy not use this information to your advantage?
Quote: AxelWolfWhy not use this information to your advantage?
I try to. Nuff said.
Quote: LuckyPhowI try to. Nuff said.
Quote: LuckyPhowIn my view, anything people want to do well is worth doing poorly until they can do it well.
Where are you located LP?
How's that working out for you?Quote: LuckyPhowI try to.
Quote: AxelWolfHow's that working out for you?
I only played craps one time during my last trip to Biloxi. Started with an empty table. Finished with about 4 other players also in the game. When I cashed in (small win, but I had to leave for another commitment), one of the players told the crew not to let me cash out because I was winning everyone money.
I understand those who have not experienced the "energy-thing" for themselves confidently assert that "there's no 'there' there." I can only encourage WoV members to understand other members (such as myself) assert that there is something there for members such as myself -- a tangible (experienced, but not controlled) awareness of "something" that we call "energy" (for want of a better descriptor) during those times we perceive it happening.
On a grand scale, events like the long-ago O.J. Simpson murder trial -- where almost everyone in southern California was listening to the announcement of the jury verdict -- apparently caused nearby isotope-based random number generators to go out of random (something impossible normally) because everyone's attention (and energy) was focused on that the jury verdict. Focused energy can have tangible effects. Same thing happened immediately after the death of Princess Diana, only on a more global scale with numerous random number generators going out of random. On a less global scale, when energy "harmonizes" at a craps table, players win (even if the players themselves do not "feel" anything special about the table energy). My2 cents. YMMV.
I have no idea what to say to all that.Quote: LuckyPhowI only played craps one time during my last trip to Biloxi. Started with an empty table. Finished with about 4 other players also in the game. When I cashed in (small win, but I had to leave for another commitment), one of the players told the crew not to let me cash out because I was winning everyone money.
I understand those who have not experienced the "energy-thing" for themselves confidently assert that "there's no 'there' there." I can only encourage WoV members to understand other members (such as myself) assert that there is something there for members such as myself -- a tangible (experienced, but not controlled) awareness of "something" that we call "energy" (for want of a better descriptor) during those times we perceive it happening.
On a grand scale, events like the long-ago O.J. Simpson murder trial -- where almost everyone in southern California was listening to the announcement of the jury verdict -- apparently caused nearby isotope-based random number generators to go out of random (something impossible normally) because everyone's attention (and energy) was focused on that the jury verdict. Focused energy can have tangible effects. Same thing happened immediately after the death of Princess Diana, only on a more global scale with numerous random number generators going out of random. On a less global scale, when energy "harmonizes" at a craps table, players win (even if the players themselves do not "feel" anything special about the table energy). My2 cents. YMMV.
Quote: LuckyPhowI only played craps one time during my last trip to Biloxi. Started with an empty table. Finished with about 4 other players also in the game. When I cashed in (small win, but I had to leave for another commitment), one of the players told the crew not to let me cash out because I was winning everyone money.
I understand those who have not experienced the "energy-thing" for themselves confidently assert that "there's no 'there' there." I can only encourage WoV members to understand other members (such as myself) assert that there is something there for members such as myself -- a tangible (experienced, but not controlled) awareness of "something" that we call "energy" (for want of a better descriptor) during those times we perceive it happening.
On a grand scale, events like the long-ago O.J. Simpson murder trial -- where almost everyone in southern California was listening to the announcement of the jury verdict -- apparently caused nearby isotope-based random number generators to go out of random (something impossible normally) because everyone's attention (and energy) was focused on that the jury verdict. Focused energy can have tangible effects. Same thing happened immediately after the death of Princess Diana, only on a more global scale with numerous random number generators going out of random. On a less global scale, when energy "harmonizes" at a craps table, players win (even if the players themselves do not "feel" anything special about the table energy). My2 cents. YMMV.
So the next time something is capatavating everyone's attention,like Trump getting impeached for example, maybe it's a good time to play the lottery since the random number generators will not be working. :)
Playing strictly pass-line and 10x odds, the chance of being net positive after 1 million rolls is around 20%.
Quote: AxelWolfI have no idea what to say to all that.
I admit the energy "stuff" is weird, and made even more weird because of my inability to provide a robust, on-demand demonstration of "whatever.' I don't expect you to understand it as it affects me, or as it affects another member, such as the OP, when the issue comes up from time to time. I don't expect others to embrace this, only to recognize I do because of my own personal experience. Now and then, a member (perhaps someone new to WoV) may report having an "energy" experience while gambling. Others may ridicule the post; I'll affirm it.
IIRC,the first instance of the random-number generator going non-random was during the OJ Simpson trial. It happened, was observed, and could not be explained. The Global Consciousness Project (GCP) grew out of this early event and now monitors a global array of random-number generators. GCP has detractors that insist GCP data cannot be replicated satisfactorily (and other "issues" as well). However, GCP (as I understand it) allows direct access to (copies of) its own raw data files. And, GCP apparently works closely with others -- even its detractors -- searching for answers in the marketplace of ideas. Just as I do also.
FIRST OFF, Using your favorite dice set, record 50 rolls and write them down on a sheet of paper.
4,3
6,6
6,2
1,1
1,1
4,3
3,3
6,5
4,3
etc, etc, etc 50 rolls
SECOND, look at all 50 rolls and remove or cross out any NON REPEATERS accept for SEVENS
THIRD Look at the combinations of SEVENS and keep a separate log on WHAT SEVEN COMBINATIONS you are making with your favorite dice set
FORTH, Now you should have a good database of outcomes on what primary numbers you're making with those numbers.
FIFTH, Repeat step 1 and compare the two results
I take the list to the casino with me and place a check for every number that matches in my list.
After about 500 or so rolls you kind of have a mental image on what you expect to roll at your next casino visit.
IF YOU'RE NOT ROLLING ANY REPEATERS THEN GUESS WHAT? IT'S TIME TO PICK A NEW DICE SET.
Now go to the casino and bet on those numbers only and win win win!
Quote: LuckyPhowOn a grand scale, events like the long-ago O.J. Simpson murder trial -- where almost everyone in southern California was listening to the announcement of the jury verdict -- apparently caused nearby isotope-based random number generators to go out of random (something impossible normally) because everyone's attention (and energy) was focused on that the jury verdict. Focused energy can have tangible effects. Same thing happened immediately after the death of Princess Diana, only on a more global scale with numerous random number generators going out of random. On a less global scale, when energy "harmonizes" at a craps table, players win (even if the players themselves do not "feel" anything special about the table energy). My2 cents. YMMV.
Jeez I;ve read some rubbish over the years, but this takes the biscuit.
I can just picture it now: The Easter Bunny is setting the dice on April Fool's day.
Quote: MrVThis thread points to the likelihood of "The Triumvirate" tomorrow, Easter Sunday.
I can just picture it now: The Easter Bunny is setting the dice on April Fool's day.
Need some fan art on that. Who's good at that stuff?
Need one of the Easter bunny, Santa Clause, and the Toofairy all pointing & laughing at a dice setter/system player with a caption that says somthing like, I can't believe he thinks this sh*t is real. Or, only a silly child would believe in such silly things.Quote: AcesAndEightsNeed some fan art on that. Who's good at that stuff?
Quote: AxelWolfNeed one of the Easter bunny, Santa Clause, and the Toofairy all pointing & laughing at a dice setter/system player with a caption that says somthing like, I can't believe he thinks this sh*t is real. Or, only a silly child would believe in such silly things.
You left out the Chupacabra and the Boogeyman. I guess you think they are real? ;)
This thread was dormant for 2 months before it was bumped...
In any case I do have an uncanny memory for things like that.
You didn't actually say exactly that it was possible, but rather it wasn't out of the realm of possibility that there might be something to it. Now I well remember that, because prior to you having said that I thought that there was no way dice setting a had any viability whatsoever. It struck me somewhat and so I gave it some distant passing thought that it might be something, however insignificant.
If I am mistaken I stand corrected, but do remember something like that on the show.
It's all in fun, and isn't that why we do it!
I've always been impressed by your math acumen. There must be some reason you gave up such a riveting career as an Actuary for IBM. I too have always been fascinated with mathematical probabilities. But mine is more about why people gamble, knowing there is always a house advantage.
Thanks for responding.
Quote: WizardQuote: gamerfreakI think what you wrote in expectations for the dice setter suggests there is something to it. Not sure if that’s exactly what you meant, but that was also my takeaway.
This part:
“Personally, I'm still skeptical. I don't rule out the possibility, but I'm not convinced. Most casinos happily allow it. If I ran a casino, I would allow it too, because I think the number of people who can influence the dice (if any) is far outweighed by the number who think they can, but can't. Still some people I respect do believe in it, mainly Stanford Wong, who trained under Golden Touch Craps.”
I guess it’s also important to keep in mind that the context is an article describing the math for dice setting under the assumption that there is “something to it”.
None of that means I said there was "something to it." I only made that page about dice setting odds because Wong's book caused quite a stir but nobody had really answered the question of how dice setting works, if indeed it does. Since I can't disprove dice setting doesn't work, I'm not going to totally rule it out. However, after at least ten years of this topic being debated, I've yet to see any convincing evidence there is anything to it other than a way of selling books and lessons about it.
do you believe it is possible If the shooter does not hit the back wall?
Quote: troopscottdo you believe it is possible If the shooter does not hit the back wall?
No. I thought it was the aim to hit right where the felt met the back wall, not just to comply with house rules, but that the combination of the two sides would absorb the energy of the dice, letting them, hopefully, fall dead. I think if the dice had to only be thrown near the wall they would bounce so often as to randomize the roll.
Quote: WizardNo. I thought it was the aim to hit right where the felt met the back wall, not just to comply with house rules, but that the combination of the two sides would absorb the energy of the dice, letting them, hopefully, fall dead. I think if the dice had to only be thrown near the wall they would bounce so often as to randomize the roll.
Your thoughts are correct. However, most of the videos showing "dice influencers" rolling indicate they aim at or just behind the don't pass section of the table, the corner. The rolls are randomizing regardless as you well know and can see without the need for slow motion cameras etc.. It's all an effort as you also correctly indicate to sell books and more important "classes" and "seminars" at ridiculous prices with "no refunds" or "money back guaranty".... Meet a group of perhaps decent people all without a real care about said seminar but rather folks lacking social skills and/or grace.
Good to see you aroundQuote: nickolay411It is possible to land both or just one dice as a dead cat bounce. The bossman will no-roll it though. Unless they are not paying attention.
Edit: I'm still playing. Heading to Vegas on the 18th. And then Macau later this month.
Sign of the times I think? There was a poll here a while back about the average age of wov posters. Could be they are just dying off, and not being replaced?Quote: nickolay411Oh! Hope you are feeling better. I missed that. Would have been interesting to see it play out. Is it me or does the forum seem a bit quieter lately?
Edit: I'm still playing. Heading to Vegas on the 18th. And then Macau later this month.
Like any group of volunteers, it relies on new blood, and the old blood suffers from contributor burn out?
Have some monster rolls Nick.
