and the crowd is silenced....
December 23rd, 2014 at 7:57:39 PM
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This must be a trick question.Quote: AlanMendelsonTell me: how do you try to win if you are not trying to influence the dice? Prayer? Voodoo? Having a pretty girl kiss the dice?
You place bets, thats the only way you can try to win at craps.
You cannot successfully influence the dice enough to change the HA(I think you know this) If you're claiming just touching the dice is influencing them , well You don't even need to touch the dice in craps to win or lose, so what influence does a non shooter have? Making correct bets is the best way to win.
When playing caps even if you want to lose, you cant influence the dice to make that happen you can make bad bets and speed up the process. In BJ and VP you can influence a loss in most cases.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 23rd, 2014 at 9:23:53 PM
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just wondering.
what do you bet on when the table is showing lots of 4 & 10 or 5 &9. do you still bet 6 & 8????
See that baffles the snarf out of me, here is a person that finds fault with everything some one
else to has to offer then goes to the table and assumes that 6 & 8 will be the best numbers to
bet on every time he plays.
Well, that sure as hell is not to smart, but it is easiest way to play craps, you really don't need to
know much.
dicesitter.
what do you bet on when the table is showing lots of 4 & 10 or 5 &9. do you still bet 6 & 8????
See that baffles the snarf out of me, here is a person that finds fault with everything some one
else to has to offer then goes to the table and assumes that 6 & 8 will be the best numbers to
bet on every time he plays.
Well, that sure as hell is not to smart, but it is easiest way to play craps, you really don't need to
know much.
dicesitter.
December 23rd, 2014 at 9:46:02 PM
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If you guys want to stand there making your come bets and place 6, 8 and think it's a winning strategy -- be my guest.
If you don't think DI is possible -- don't try.
You might as well play slot machines.
If you don't think DI is possible -- don't try.
You might as well play slot machines.
December 23rd, 2014 at 10:00:02 PM
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"You might as well play slot machines."
I do, as do most casino gamblers.
I do, as do most casino gamblers.
"What, me worry?"
December 23rd, 2014 at 10:01:58 PM
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Quote: dicesitterwhat do you bet on when the table is showing lots of 4 & 10 or 5 &9. do you still bet 6 & 8???? See that baffles the snarf out of me, here is a person that finds fault with everything some one
else to has to offer then goes to the table and assumes that 6 & 8 will be the best numbers to
bet on every time he plays.
I don't find fault with everything some one else has to offer, at least that is not my intent.
I do find fault with superstitious beliefs clothed as truths.
"What, me worry?"
December 24th, 2014 at 9:45:58 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonThere is no betting scheme that will give you an edge. Even full odds has no player advantage.
Turning faith into trust is what makes us more than what we are.
Quote: MrVI do find fault with superstitious beliefs clothed as truths.
Atheism is every bit as superstitious as theism. Takes two to tangle.
Try to re-orient yourself.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
December 24th, 2014 at 5:09:53 PM
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Quote: KerkebetTurning faith into trust is what makes us more than what we are.
Atheism is every bit as superstitious as theism. Takes two to tangle.
Try to re-orient yourself.
Thank you!
Merry Christmas everyone!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
December 24th, 2014 at 6:10:55 PM
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Quote: Kerkebet
Atheism is every bit as superstitious as theism.
Really?
I posit that there is no god, Jesus was at best a delusional martyr, and that when we die it's game over.
Where is the superstition in that, as compared to believing there is a benevolent god controlling the infinite universe, that he sent his only son to earth to die on our behalf (?!), and that our "souls" survive our death and are either given infinite glee or misery, depending on how we are finally judged?
"What, me worry?"
December 25th, 2014 at 4:23:43 PM
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Quote: MrVReally?
All the real magic was used up to form the raw materials we have to work with. An act of faith literally made into an act of trust that we will see the situation, and react accordingly. The faith lays in the loss of the way to then directly, or indirectly, communicate such a trust to us.
Would you create a universe if it meant the giving up of all of your real magic? Or, would such be too much to ask of the persons and their environment thus created?
I think that it would be worth it even if only one person were to figure it out.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
December 25th, 2014 at 10:11:58 PM
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Mrv
There is no superstition on what you say, however there is no more accuracy in that than what anyone else says.
There is no way, none at all, for you to prove what you believe, so why not just be a decent guy and say
well this is what I believe, I cant prove it, but there it is, and allow others to do the same.
I understand it may hurt you some to allow others to have their beliefs, but its ok you will get over it.
dicesetter
There is no superstition on what you say, however there is no more accuracy in that than what anyone else says.
There is no way, none at all, for you to prove what you believe, so why not just be a decent guy and say
well this is what I believe, I cant prove it, but there it is, and allow others to do the same.
I understand it may hurt you some to allow others to have their beliefs, but its ok you will get over it.
dicesetter
December 25th, 2014 at 10:58:01 PM
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I don't really care whether you believe in dice setting, the easter bunny, or god.
I am arguing against Demango's assertion that "Atheism is every bit as superstitious as theism."
I am arguing against Demango's assertion that "Atheism is every bit as superstitious as theism."
"What, me worry?"
December 26th, 2014 at 12:59:31 AM
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If its an advantage slot YES. But if not, that's silly because the HA on slots is usually higher.Quote: AlanMendelsonIf you guys want to stand there making your come bets and place 6, 8 and think it's a winning strategy -- be my guest.
If you don't think DI is possible -- don't try.
You might as well play slot machines.
In reality you have probably have the same amount of control on slots it just doesn't look as cool....you can vary your bets, play fast, play slow, kiss the machine, pull the handle.
You can even STOP THE REELS if you don't try to stop the reels on a winner then according to your theory " If you don't try you don't stand a chance of beating a negative expectation game. If you don't try YOU SHOULD NOT PLAY."
Let's assume that you can influence the dice. Can we at least agree that it would take a significant amount of practice to do it successfully?
To know if your shot is working properly, you would need a significant amount of recorded shots. Without that you have nothing.
Again Let's assume that you can influence the dice. It's possible you're influencing them the wrong way with your shot, since the slightest change in movement or conditions can affect it.
This might be a reason not to try. If you're not a real stunt car driver you probably shouldn't be trying stunts and just drive normal.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 26th, 2014 at 1:42:19 AM
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Like AxelWolf said if we assume that a slight change in movement will affect the dice the wrong way and our shot will suffer
than Alan, betting the 6,8 is a good bet because they've got the second most possible combinations to get LUCKY on.
nothing wrong with placing 6,8... also nothing wrong with trying to Influence the dice.
We performs stunts everyday, did you know we throw ourselves off balance and catch ourselves when we perform the act of walking??? When there's a will there's a way. Now whether that way is within the rules that's for the casino to decide. Play on if it is!
merry christmas. happy holidays.
than Alan, betting the 6,8 is a good bet because they've got the second most possible combinations to get LUCKY on.
nothing wrong with placing 6,8... also nothing wrong with trying to Influence the dice.
We performs stunts everyday, did you know we throw ourselves off balance and catch ourselves when we perform the act of walking??? When there's a will there's a way. Now whether that way is within the rules that's for the casino to decide. Play on if it is!
merry christmas. happy holidays.
December 26th, 2014 at 4:19:34 AM
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At 114 posts I sure hope the crowd is at the very least, NOW silenced.
Its been said over and over with various analogies, some of them helpful and humorous:
so you can chose to believe in dice control or not to. Its your choice. The evidence is there.
You can also choose to jump off a skyscrapers roof in the belief that you will fly. Feel free to flap your arms vigorously and keep believing all the way down.
But enough already, its time for the crowd to fall silent again.
Go to the craps table and practice your special throws. When you reach the millionaire mark, let us know.
Mia was the only Vegas character with a special throw that any casino player ever cared about. She used to throw the dice under her upraised leg. Mia was famous for two things: she never gave a last name and she never wore any undergarments.
Its been said over and over with various analogies, some of them helpful and humorous:
so you can chose to believe in dice control or not to. Its your choice. The evidence is there.
You can also choose to jump off a skyscrapers roof in the belief that you will fly. Feel free to flap your arms vigorously and keep believing all the way down.
But enough already, its time for the crowd to fall silent again.
Go to the craps table and practice your special throws. When you reach the millionaire mark, let us know.
Mia was the only Vegas character with a special throw that any casino player ever cared about. She used to throw the dice under her upraised leg. Mia was famous for two things: she never gave a last name and she never wore any undergarments.
December 26th, 2014 at 5:37:34 AM
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Quote: dicesitterMrv
I understand it may hurt you some to allow others to have their beliefs, but its ok you will get over it.
Mr V obviously isn't a man of science either. He fails to see the seemingly limitless political and superstitious blunders of also even science, while trying to hold his own self-serving ideas of theism to a perfect standard all along. Even the great minds of science have admittedly at times fudged and fearfully discounted their own empirical findings in favor of superstitious forms of thinking.
Science, itself, ironically, is about what every other thing is about: Driving the economy forward at any cost. The rest is quickly rationalized away by similar ad hoc and superstitious, existential bonfire "rules" of the corner coffee joint crowds, who seem to me to come off as clueless and unimaginative as V.
Conversely, theism may be as logical as atheism. But, the real idea is to rise above the yes-no arguments all together.
Add on: If I insult the h*ll out of myself, will I be banned?
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
December 26th, 2014 at 7:18:20 AM
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Not superstition. It's called magical thinking.
December 26th, 2014 at 7:25:15 AM
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Quote: pewNot superstition. It's called magical thinking.
Yeah, that's the reason that science keeps changing its mind. But hey, that's okay because it's science.
Add on: Happy Merry Festivius Boxing Day EVERYONE!
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
December 26th, 2014 at 7:39:48 AM
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This is typical thinking:
None of us knows if anyone is actually capable of "controlling" the dice. I haven't seen control yet. I have seen "influence" and as I wrote before the "influence" could be limited to just keeping both dice on the table or just rolling the dice so they bounce off the back wall. That is "evidence" I have seen.
I have been with three shooters whose "throws" mimic or appear to be what an "influenced shot" is supposed to be: starting with a set with a slow and soft toss, gently hitting or bouncing off the back wall, and coming to rest at or near the back wall on a number which helps the shooter win his bets.
I reject the word "control" and the word should be stricken from these discussions as not realistic.
That leaves influence -- and if you are going to say there is no such thing as "dice influencing" then be specific about what level of dice influencing you believe is impossible. I say this because I will bet you my entire net worth against your entire net worth that I can influence the dice so that they remain on the table -- and not bounce off -- at Caesars Palace one thousand times in a row. And if you don't want to risk your networth, then I will bet you one dollar.
My point is that everyone can influence the dice to a certain degree. Some might even choose to influence the dice so they hit the table, bounce off, and fly out the door of the casino.
Quote: FleaStiff
so you can chose to believe in dice control or not to. Its your choice. The evidence is there.
None of us knows if anyone is actually capable of "controlling" the dice. I haven't seen control yet. I have seen "influence" and as I wrote before the "influence" could be limited to just keeping both dice on the table or just rolling the dice so they bounce off the back wall. That is "evidence" I have seen.
I have been with three shooters whose "throws" mimic or appear to be what an "influenced shot" is supposed to be: starting with a set with a slow and soft toss, gently hitting or bouncing off the back wall, and coming to rest at or near the back wall on a number which helps the shooter win his bets.
I reject the word "control" and the word should be stricken from these discussions as not realistic.
That leaves influence -- and if you are going to say there is no such thing as "dice influencing" then be specific about what level of dice influencing you believe is impossible. I say this because I will bet you my entire net worth against your entire net worth that I can influence the dice so that they remain on the table -- and not bounce off -- at Caesars Palace one thousand times in a row. And if you don't want to risk your networth, then I will bet you one dollar.
My point is that everyone can influence the dice to a certain degree. Some might even choose to influence the dice so they hit the table, bounce off, and fly out the door of the casino.
December 26th, 2014 at 7:51:14 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonThis is typical thinking: Everyone can influence the dice to a certain degree.
Of course, but the influence is mainly to randomize the outcomes.
Like all of the casino games, it's the illusion of control that hooks you into all manner of nuance, and claim.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
December 26th, 2014 at 8:15:26 AM
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Alas Alan, that would be pretty much the same bet! A dollar might even exceed my net worth. Your ex-girl friend, CC, has better luck than I do.Quote: AlanMendelsonAnd if you don't want to risk your net worth, then I will bet you one dollar.
December 26th, 2014 at 8:39:58 AM
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Quote: MrVI don't really care whether you believe in dice setting, the easter bunny, or god.
I am arguing against Demango's assertion that "Atheism is every bit as superstitious as theism."
DeMango said no such thing.
He does acknowledge that no one has greater Faith than the so called Atheist, who has an all knowing faith that no Creator created creation!
My Big Bang Theory: God said "Bang" and it happened!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
December 26th, 2014 at 9:11:21 AM
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My apologies for false attribution, DeMango: I see now I quoted the quote you yourself had quoted.
It is kerkebet who believes in the supernatural.
It is kerkebet who believes in the supernatural.
"What, me worry?"
December 26th, 2014 at 9:32:43 AM
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It appears you're trying to have a debate. Would you like help?
Superstition - an irrational, but usually deep-seated belief in the magical effects of a specific action or ritual
Faith - belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof
Proof - conclusive evidence: evidence or an argument that serves to establish a fact or the truth of something
Superstition - an irrational, but usually deep-seated belief in the magical effects of a specific action or ritual
Faith - belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof
Proof - conclusive evidence: evidence or an argument that serves to establish a fact or the truth of something
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December 26th, 2014 at 9:49:28 AM
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It's called the Obama effect, also known as the "new normal".Quote: FleaStiffAlas Alan, that would be pretty much the same bet! A dollar might even exceed my net worth. Your ex-girl friend, CC, has better luck than I do.
December 26th, 2014 at 9:52:51 AM
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Quote: FaceSuperstition - an irrational, but usually deep-seated belief in the magical effects of a specific action or ritual
Faith - belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof
Proof - conclusive evidence: evidence or an argument that serves to establish a fact or the truth of something
The proof never satisfies because the trusting have no faith in the irrational.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
December 26th, 2014 at 9:57:31 AM
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Quote: FaceIt appears you're trying to have a debate. Would you like help?
No, I'm going to take my ball and go home.
I see no profit in continuing this discussion as it seems a waste of time to try to discuss atheism and existentialism with people who believe in magical thinking.
"What, me worry?"
December 26th, 2014 at 10:00:41 AM
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Don't go away mad, V.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
December 27th, 2014 at 10:36:57 AM
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Quote: MrVNo, I'm going to take my ball and go home.
I see no profit in continuing this discussion as it seems a waste of time to try to discuss atheism and existentialism with people who believe in magical thinking.
I would like to know how this thread went so far off track, that it's now about religion?
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction
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December 28th, 2014 at 8:03:28 AM
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Quote: superrickI would like to know how this thread went so far off track?
Why do threads end?
People bail out when all perceived value has been exhausted. The end-goal of the purely-goal oriented is exhaustion in the form of madness and death.
But, immortality isn't supposed to benefit any mortal tasks at hand.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
December 28th, 2014 at 7:28:06 PM
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religion
ITs now about the religion of dice control....not control, but influence.
Well boys and girls what have we learned so far...........
MRV does not believe in dice control or god or anything anyone else says
Alan believes in a certain amount of dice influence
Kerkebet does not believe in threads or at least not in their potential to be useful over time
a couple of us believe in dice influence but don't want to talk about it
the administrator does not believe in allowing us to actually give full voice to our thoughts
Damn good thing this year is coming to a close we have learned far to much for one year.
dicesetter
ITs now about the religion of dice control....not control, but influence.
Well boys and girls what have we learned so far...........
MRV does not believe in dice control or god or anything anyone else says
Alan believes in a certain amount of dice influence
Kerkebet does not believe in threads or at least not in their potential to be useful over time
a couple of us believe in dice influence but don't want to talk about it
the administrator does not believe in allowing us to actually give full voice to our thoughts
Damn good thing this year is coming to a close we have learned far to much for one year.
dicesetter
December 28th, 2014 at 8:39:49 PM
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TITO, just add coin of the realm.Quote: KerkebetQuote:Why do threads end?
It helps like crazy until it wears off.Quote:But, immortality isn't supposed to benefit any mortal tasks at hand.
December 30th, 2014 at 8:56:19 PM
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I was looking for a way to explain how a used-car salesman could get away with telling everybody that their dice stay on axis. When I came across this videos, It just goes to show how anybody can be tricked into believing anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9VZGZB6FbM&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvbuwnalkTo&index=27&list=PLZxWJ6CTr63ZJzTPjzN_TlpmFmog2f8PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcfUHEfaVcc&index=32&list=PLZxWJ6CTr63ZJzTPjzN_TlpmFmog2f8PM
After watching those videos make sure you watch this last one and you will see how a used car salesman can get his students to believe in anything!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzqaQMUBJE&index=45&list=PLZxWJ6CTr63ZJzTPjzN_TlpmFmog2f8PM
Yea the dice do stay on axis,.....Yea Right!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9VZGZB6FbM&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvbuwnalkTo&index=27&list=PLZxWJ6CTr63ZJzTPjzN_TlpmFmog2f8PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcfUHEfaVcc&index=32&list=PLZxWJ6CTr63ZJzTPjzN_TlpmFmog2f8PM
After watching those videos make sure you watch this last one and you will see how a used car salesman can get his students to believe in anything!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzqaQMUBJE&index=45&list=PLZxWJ6CTr63ZJzTPjzN_TlpmFmog2f8PM
Yea the dice do stay on axis,.....Yea Right!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction
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December 30th, 2014 at 10:10:05 PM
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so you don't believe that the dice stay on axis but you believe you can beat a negative expectation game with' knowledge and skill when betting'?????
get second you pig
December 31st, 2014 at 12:03:29 AM
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Dam good question.Quote: ontariodealerso you don't believe that the dice stay on axis but you believe you can beat a negative expectation game with' knowledge and skill when betting'?????
I would put more stock in DI than "skill betting"
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 31st, 2014 at 4:47:54 AM
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I use Dice Tool written by Stanford Wong. It has it's limits, but I know the tables where my dice throws stay more on axis than random. Of course we will next have the Biblical character, the mathtite, telling me I need 10 zillion throws before I can be certain of this. It is what it is, the not so light one would say.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
December 31st, 2014 at 6:09:42 AM
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I wonder why Stanford Wong doesn't use it anymore?Quote: DeMangoI use Dice Tool written by Stanford Wong. It has it's limits, but I know the tables where my dice throws stay more on axis than random. Of course we will next have the Biblical character, the mathtite, telling me I need 10 zillion throws before I can be certain of this. It is what it is, the not so light one would say.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 31st, 2014 at 5:04:47 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI wonder why Stanford Wong doesn't use it anymore?
From what I heard on the last radio show with Bob Dancer he said because he saw what happen when the dice hit the tables in slow motion. Don't take my word for it just listen to the intereview!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iWapKXDCH0&feature=youtu.be&t=25m30s
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
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December 31st, 2014 at 6:05:01 PM
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Oh ya, geez... now I remember. I was hoping DeMango or any pro DI had a good explanationQuote: superrickFrom what I heard on the last radio show with Bob Dancer he said because he saw what happen when the dice hit the tables in slow motion. Don't take my word for it just listen to the intereview!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iWapKXDCH0&feature=youtu.be&t=25m30s
Wong (one of the most respected gambling authorities) basically denounced DI. Obviously he can't blatantly say it's bogus(but the message was clear) since he wrote a book and had other merchandise and probably profited from the SALES.
I wonder why all the most respected gambling authorities(and mathematical wizards) are not behind the possibilities of DI? Sure we have a few guys who have FICTION writer on there resume.
We have guys who are selling classes.
NO ONE HAS STEPPED UP IN OVER 10 YEARS AND SHOWED ANYTHING CREDIBLE. In every other gaming aspect thats legitimate you can find credible people who have shown proof and results to back it up.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 31st, 2014 at 7:39:17 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfOh ya, geez... now I remember. I was hoping DeMango or any pro DI had a good explanation
Wong (one of the most respected gambling authorities) basically denounced DI. Obviously he can't blatantly say it's bogus(but the message was clear) since he wrote a book and had other merchandise and probably profited from the SALES.
I wonder why all the most respected gambling authorities(and mathematical wizards) are not behind the possibilities of DI? Sure we have a few guys who have FICTION writer on there resume.
We have guys who are selling classes.
NO ONE HAS STEPPED UP IN OVER 10 YEARS AND SHOWED ANYTHING CREDIBLE. In every other gaming aspect thats legitimate you can find credible people who have shown proof and results to back it up.
Look I put up every DI video that has someone shooting, all of them show the same thing and that is the dice bouncing all over the place when they hit the tables. The guys that are selling on axis dice control hate me, because I'm showing what the dice do when they hit the tables. They have called me every name in the book. They tried to say that I'm a bum living on the street here in Vegas, then they said I was a nut case and must have forgotten to take my meds.
They will not debate me, because they know that what they are selling is nothing more then BS! They use fiction to sell anything they have, their follower will believe anything their heroes come up with. I've showed how they can get away with what they are selling, with the “The Carbonaro Effect”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9VZGZB6FbM&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvbuwnalkTo&index=27&list=PLZxWJ6CTr63ZJzTPjzN_TlpmFmog2f8PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcfUHEfaVcc&index=32&list=PLZxWJ6CTr63ZJzTPjzN_TlpmFmog2f8PM
After watching those videos make sure you watch this last one and you will see how a used car salesman can get his students to believe in anything!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzqaQMUBJE&index=45&list=PLZxWJ6CTr63ZJzTPjzN_TlpmFmog2f8PM
Even with all of the videos I've put up, you are still going to have these guys writing that they are taking all kinds of money off the tables, with their on axis shooting. You can back track on this thread to watch all of the slow motion videos that I've put up.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/dice-setting/20287-and-the-crowd-is-silenced/3/
Their great fiction writer has never been seen in a real casino, all of the photos he post have been ripped off of the internet. He has no videos that he has made, they are all ripped off of YouTube! When caught in a lie, he starts writing in circles, when that doesn't work, he calls other names that are questioning anything he writes!
I've played on the same tables with Wong and he has a good looking shot, but good looking shots don't mean anything! The best looking shot I ever made turned out to be a 7 out! Almost everybody that gambles is looking for that magic bullet and there is none!You can get just about anybody to believe in anything, if you have others that are saying the same thing that their salesman are saying!
The operators that have these on axis DI schools dare not to post anything on this thread, because they know what they are selling is nothing more then BS. They can not show any slow motion videos of their dice staying on axis. Just because the two top numbers came up with what you wanted to see, doesn't mean that the dice stayed on axis. After watching slow motion videos of the dice hitting the tables so you can only come to one conclusion,...and that is the shooter just got lucky when the dice ended up on the numbers they wanted to see!
Fiction is the driving force behind how The on-axis schools operate, way to funny if you ask me.
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction
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December 31st, 2014 at 7:49:31 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfDam good question.
I would put more stock in DI than "skill betting"
I guess its better he ignores this question than answer it.
get second you pig
December 31st, 2014 at 7:51:37 PM
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Why do people have to have some system when they are just lying to themselves about wanting to gamble on an -ev game? I bs around at the bar on vbj and keno but ha e no illusion that I can beat it.
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
December 31st, 2014 at 9:37:26 PM
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Quote: ontariodealerso you don't believe that the dice stay on axis but you believe you can beat a negative expectation game with' knowledge and skill when betting'?????
The dice don't stay on anything. They bounce all over the place. How can this still be in question? It is also true that sometimes people get ahead for some amount of time but it would be extremely rare for anyone to be ahead over a lifetime.
Are you saying [apparently you are a dealer] that you have witnessed DI's or shooters making the dice revolve around some theoretical axel? If so why doesn't anyone have video of it.
If I owned a casino, I would sell these dice schools as well. Millions of players, where are the professional shooters? Are you a professional shooter, and if so could you post a video and put this thing to rest?
With all the classes that have been sold there should be a di on every table, and justify the dealer's attitudes.
As far as skill in betting, that is fairly obvious as well. How many players have you seen betting an Iron Cross or some other system? With all the books and dice schools its a miracle the Vegas strip can still keep the lights on.
December 31st, 2014 at 9:46:33 PM
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petroglyph, lay down the pipe, where does it say anywhere that I said dice stay on axis.....I was just trying to get superick to explain the knowledge and skill thing.
get second you pig
December 31st, 2014 at 10:20:05 PM
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Quote: ontariodealerpetroglyph, lay down the pipe, where does it say anywhere that I said dice stay on axis.....I was just trying to get superick to explain the knowledge and skill thing.
So, does that mean you can't shoot and don't know the bets either?
January 1st, 2015 at 4:38:26 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfI was hoping DeMango or any pro DI had a good explanation
So what are the chances you find James Grosjean at a table counting cards? Pretty slim, no? Think about it.
Really the only semi pro I know constantly posts videos about dice that don't stay on axis! Think about that!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
January 1st, 2015 at 7:36:08 AM
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January 1st, 2015 at 12:27:40 PM
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Peoples faces eventually get burnt out at BJ. Some are high profile.Quote: DeMangoSo what are the chances you find James Grosjean at a table counting cards? Pretty slim, no? Think about it.
Really the only semi pro I know constantly posts videos about dice that don't stay on axis! Think about that!
The casinos watch BJ players like a hawk but not craps players. They back BJ players off frequently(rarely craps players), oftentimes allowing them to play...wait for it .....CRAPS and other games.
There was a craps panic from a few of the casinos early on before the VIDEOS. There's still a few dumb casino managers who freak out over DI's. For the most part DI's have full reign and can shoot anywhere they wish, if they don't slow down the game and act up.
Blackjack has been demonstrated and proven to work and many people are still successful. Craps is just the opposite.
Many BJ players have stepped forward over the years with proof. Where's the DI players with any proof?
I guess craps players are a special breed who dare not step forwarded.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 1st, 2015 at 6:41:51 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI guess craps players are a special breed who dare not step forwarded.
I try but guess what happens?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 2nd, 2015 at 8:42:22 PM
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@odiousgambit
you have a craps table at home?
you have a craps table at home?
January 3rd, 2015 at 6:44:44 AM
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Quote: nickolay411@odiousgambit
you have a craps table at home?
No, that would be Mr. Ahigh !
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
