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Ace2
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March 26th, 2022 at 8:13:50 PM permalink
Quote: TDVegas


Cue in fire bets at 25% house edge, hard ways at 9-11%, horn at 12.5%, among a bunch of others and you are looking at slot machine returns.
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Exactly. Those and place bets are what makes money for the casino. If everyone played PL with max odds, the casino would lose money. Just ask Steve Wynn

People make hardway bets all the time
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Ace2
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March 26th, 2022 at 8:20:41 PM permalink
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And if you buy, vig on win, it only takes $100 to get that $145!
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I don't make buy bets, but to my knowledge the vig-on-win-only is just for the 4 and 10
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unJon
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March 26th, 2022 at 8:22:59 PM permalink
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And if you buy, vig on win, it only takes $100 to get that $145!
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I don't make buy bets, but to my knowledge the vig-on-win-only is just for the 4 and 10
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You should try crapless craps. Buy the 12 or 2 with vig on win. Fun way to get variance with a low house edge.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
AlanMendelson
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March 26th, 2022 at 8:24:48 PM permalink
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And if you buy, vig on win, it only takes $100 to get that $145!
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I don't make buy bets, but to my knowledge the vig-on-win-only is just for the 4 and 10
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I dont know of any Vegas casinos offering Buys on the 5 or 9. If there are, what are their rules?

I like Stations and Boyd for giving automatic Buys on the 4 and 10 even on $5 bets and the vig is paid on the win.

If there are Buys on the 5 and 9 what's the minimum bet?
ChumpChange
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March 26th, 2022 at 8:31:55 PM permalink
Well, $20 on the 5 would pay $30 minus a $1 vig on vig-on-a-win for a total of $29, instead of $28 as a place bet. Seems casinos can't be bothered.
Bubble craps machines have vig-on-a-win, so I always buy the 5, 9 there instead of PB.
unJon
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March 26th, 2022 at 8:33:52 PM permalink
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And if you buy, vig on win, it only takes $100 to get that $145!
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I don't make buy bets, but to my knowledge the vig-on-win-only is just for the 4 and 10
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I dont know of any Vegas casinos offering Buys on the 5 or 9. If there are, what are their rules?

I like Stations and Boyd for giving automatic Buys on the 4 and 10 even on $5 bets and the vig is paid on the win.

If there are Buys on the 5 and 9 what's the minimum bet?
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Pittsburgh casinos let you buy the 5 and 9 with vig on win starting at $25 min. I believe DeMango said Biloxi casinos are similar.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
TDVegas
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March 26th, 2022 at 8:59:58 PM permalink
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If you are at a $15 table…whether you make a $15 pass line with no odds or a $15 pass line bet with $45 on odds…you are still expected to lose the same amount of money long term. For every $100 in pass line wagers..you are expected to lose $1.41.

The odds bet is subjected to volatility. If things aren’t going well, you are going to lose more money faster than the guy making a pass line bet with no odds. Some people value table time and their bankroll may not afford much time at $15 and $45 odds….if the table bends cold.
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Wrong analysis. As Ace2 keeps saying. Move to the $5 table and bet $10 odds. And you are doing better than being at the $15 table with no odds.
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What $5 table? There might be one left at the Downtown Grand. Good luck even getting on it.
unJon
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March 26th, 2022 at 9:04:22 PM permalink
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Quote: TDVegas

If you are at a $15 table…whether you make a $15 pass line with no odds or a $15 pass line bet with $45 on odds…you are still expected to lose the same amount of money long term. For every $100 in pass line wagers..you are expected to lose $1.41.

The odds bet is subjected to volatility. If things aren’t going well, you are going to lose more money faster than the guy making a pass line bet with no odds. Some people value table time and their bankroll may not afford much time at $15 and $45 odds….if the table bends cold.
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Wrong analysis. As Ace2 keeps saying. Move to the $5 table and bet $10 odds. And you are doing better than being at the $15 table with no odds.
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What $5 table? There might be one left at the Downtown Grand. Good luck even getting on it.
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Again not the point. Is there a corner case with someone betting solely passline with no odds and no other bets? Maybe. But I have yet to see that unicorn. If they are betting more than table min, or if they are betting any other bets (come bets, place bets, inside bets), then they are better served reducing the other bets until they have full odds.

It’s not a hard concept.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
Ace2
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March 26th, 2022 at 9:57:40 PM permalink
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And if you buy, vig on win, it only takes $100 to get that $145!
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I don't make buy bets, but to my knowledge the vig-on-win-only is just for the 4 and 10
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I dont know of any Vegas casinos offering Buys on the 5 or 9. If there are, what are their rules?

I like Stations and Boyd for giving automatic Buys on the 4 and 10 even on $5 bets and the vig is paid on the win.

If there are Buys on the 5 and 9 what's the minimum bet?
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For a buy collected on win and lose, the edge is 1/21 =~4.76%. I realize they might let you go up to $25 with the same $1, but since the vig on placing the 5 is 4% you might as well just do that. Either way it's a sucker bet
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DeMango
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March 27th, 2022 at 12:23:58 AM permalink
What is really hugh is that MGM in Biloxi collects vig on ALL horn numbers!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.

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