https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-men-placed-on-nevadas-black-book-after-running-con-at-bellagio-casino

Quote: lilredroosterI think this is how it worked: they mumbled "hops". if the bet won the dealer who was in on it paid. if it didn't dealer pretended he didn't hear it. according to the report the Bellagio did not have a designated spot for hops bets
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You Cad. I was thinking of mentioning this thing first crack as soon as I saw it in Google Trending, but I forgot and you best me to the punch. ;)
Quote: NathanQuote: lilredroosterI think this is how it worked: they mumbled "hops". if the bet won the dealer who was in on it paid. if it didn't dealer pretended he didn't hear it. according to the report the Bellagio did not have a designated spot for hops bets
https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-men-placed-on-nevadas-black-book-after-running-con-at-bellagio-casino![]()
You Cad. I was thinking of mentioning this thing first crack as soon as I saw it in Google Trending, but I forgot and you best me to the punch. ;)
Sounds like that old story
The Rooster and the Hare
Quote: lilredroosterI think this is how it worked: they mumbled "hops" and some numbers. if the bet won the dealer who was in on it paid. if it didn't the dealer pretended he didn't hear it. according to the report the Bellagio did not have a designated spot for hops bets
https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-men-placed-on-nevadas-black-book-after-running-con-at-bellagio-casino![]()
That cant be how it worked. In fact they may have gotten away with it if it worked like that
The article said the casino noticed the high odds bets were paid off quite more than the odds expected. This sounds like they were being paid regardless of valid result
Otherwise the defense would be they got paid when they won - check the tapes
The scam seems to be they mumbled the wager so the pitboss and other legit dealers couldnt hear it. The Confederate dealer paid the result claiming that he heard the wager being made
The table not having a hops bet location to place the chips made the dealers verification of what he heard the key to the scam
Don't feel too bad Nathan, it looks like MathExtremist beat you both by 2 1/2 years!Quote: NathanQuote: lilredroosterI think this is how it worked: they mumbled "hops". if the bet won the dealer who was in on it paid. if it didn't dealer pretended he didn't hear it. according to the report the Bellagio did not have a designated spot for hops bets
https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-men-placed-on-nevadas-black-book-after-running-con-at-bellagio-casino![]()
You Cad. I was thinking of mentioning this thing first crack as soon as I saw it in Google Trending, but I forgot and you best me to the punch. ;)
I guess the news is them making it into the Black Book..
Benny Binion of long ago had the right idea. He had a box man who was quite deaf and another who was quite blind, so he had them sit double box... nothing got past them.
Anyone read the utterly absurd comments from the gambling public who just did not grasp the situation
Quote: FoxCasino officials became aware of the con in 2014 after noticing several bets that won despite 452 billion-to-1 odds, according to the Review-Journal.
What is this bet in craps with 452 billion to 1 odds? That is like rolling a yo seven times in a row.
I will be on the Strip tonight and try to confirm the statement that the Bellagio had nowhere to put hop bets, but I'm immediately skeptical. Hopefully one of the big craps players on the forum can comment, but if you catch me making a hop bet, other than in a tournament, then please just put a bullet in the head, which is why I don't know the procedure of how they are handled, if there are not the little circles for them I see on most tables.
I've said this several times, but from my time at the Venetian I learned that what most staff on the floor found more annoying than advantage play and outright cheating was shot takers. People that make an ambiguous bet or decision and then argued if the result didn't go their way. It sounds like they were doing something like this, aided by a confederate dealer, but about the details, I don't know but am interested.
Let's keep this topic going.
its 'this guy made xnumber of hop bsts and won them all.....the odds are 'collusion'.