SOOPOO
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December 28th, 2016 at 6:50:44 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

I do. It doesnt matter if you believe it or not. My pocket is happy. I picked up another 500 last night... how did you do?

Where do you play soo poo?



I play at Seneca Niagara in Niagara Falls USA. I play craps maybe once a year, usually because whoever I'm going with wants to play craps. When I play I play pass line with some odds and lots of come bets with odds, and occasionally bet on 6 and 8. So I will tend to lose but have a decent chance of getting lucky and win. But I do not expect to win when I play craps. When I play my favorite game at Seneca Niagara (they don't have Tiles), there are some times due to weak dealers I have an advantage, like definitely yesterday, but most days I just play against the 1-2% house edge, and hope to win (luck) but will more likely lose.
And you are correct, it doesn't matter whether anyone believes you or not. I am just telling you that no one here believes you have found some magic system that will reliably beat craps. No matter how many times you type it. No matter how many different ways you say it.

Just out of curiosity, your system was working last night so that you made $500. Why weren't you betting double so you could have made $1000?
After making $500, why didn't you just start over and make another $500?
WatchMeWin
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December 28th, 2016 at 7:01:11 AM permalink
As I mentioned before... greed kills and pigs get slaughtered. Discipline is key. It is not something that can be explained, but learned over time. I will just tell you that I whole heartedly believe that dice rolls are not random and independent of previous rolls. I know 95% of the board are going to say bs to that... however, if you have played enough, you will know that I am correct. You really just need to know how and when to bet certain ways.... and never get too greedy.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
AxelWolf
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December 28th, 2016 at 7:18:24 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

It's like whack a mole in here. One system player leaves, another takes his place

Do moles hibernate or just LIE in dormant for a while?

Wack-A-Troll sounds like a fun game.

Ask (google) and ye shall recive
http://www.silvergames.com/whack-a-troll
http://www.roomrecess.com/pages/WhackATroll.html
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Romes
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December 28th, 2016 at 7:21:41 AM permalink
Well, it's certainly fun to think of new ways to play a game you enjoy, but I hope you know something at the end of the day... no one ever 'consistently' wins at craps. Anyone who tells you they consistently win is either lying or referring to a very short term number of rolls of the dice. The game, straight up, can not be beaten with any combination of negative expectation bets. They ALL carry a house edge except odds, which is a ZERO edge bet that will result in NEITHER the house nor the player coming out ahead on that bet alone over time... and in order to even make that bet you MUST make a negative edge line bet.

Math can't be argued with, bartered with, nor bought. Expectation is what it is. Every single bet on the craps table (other than odds) comes with a negative expectation that WILL be reached in the long run. As sure as you can be that a good card counter will realize their expected profits in the long run you can be sure that you will LOSE your expected amount in the long run in craps.

Playing short sessions (hit and run) or changing up how you bet or betting 6 because today is Tuesday all have ZERO EFFECT on the game. Sure, you can have fun with it and FEEL like you win more often by hit and running for a small amount, but the math will come to roost when you go and just lose your entire buy in several sessions in a row which will squash all of your tiny wins and then some. Same principle as the Martingale betting system... It works, until it doesn't.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
AxelWolf
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December 28th, 2016 at 7:22:50 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

As I mentioned before... greed kills and pigs get slaughtered. Discipline is key. It is not something that can be explained, but learned over time. I will just tell you that I whole heartedly believe that dice rolls are not random and independent of previous rolls. I know 95% of the board are going to say bs to that... however, if you have played enough, you will know that I am correct. You really just need to know how and when to bet certain ways.... and never get too greedy.

Quote: WatchMeWin

if blue jay is out there listening.... how many live craps sessions would it take for you to put your money up ? Meaning, If I told you I would consistantly win in real life craps (we will talk winning %'s later), how many actual live craps sessions in a casino would be enough to satisfy your doubt that someone can consistantly win? 10? 20? 50? 100? 200? 1000? 200,000? I would go up to 20x. Any amount after that would take to long.



Quote: WatchMeWin

Im not looking for an investor at all... dont need one. I simply love the challenge.



How did this go?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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December 28th, 2016 at 7:29:01 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

I think we just all need to meet up sometime and play craps together. Some things just need to be seen live. I will be in Vegas during march madness. I am also in AC and Foxwoods often.

What's your average bet on craps?

Average bankroll you are willing to risk during a session?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
WatchMeWin
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December 28th, 2016 at 7:35:35 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

How did this go?



He would not accept the challenge.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
WatchMeWin
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December 28th, 2016 at 7:36:13 AM permalink
Boy, you like to go back into the archives , huh..lol
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
MrV
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December 28th, 2016 at 8:17:10 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

I whole heartedly believe that dice rolls are not random and independent of previous rolls. I know 95% of the board are going to say bs to that...



Really?

They're NOT?

*back to the drawing board*



Hey, thanks for the tip?

This changes EVERYTHING!
"What, me worry?"
WatchMeWin
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December 28th, 2016 at 8:26:28 AM permalink
Let's just have a fun trip somewhere and play craps together. We will play on the same table, same shoots, etc... and lets see who comes out winners. Hopefully we all win... but I know what my outcome is most likely to be.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'

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