I personally feel that, many Casinos are systematically using controlled craps table to fraud players. This could be true for other table games as well, including remote controlled roulette. Immediately after the discovery, I have requested the casinos to generate backup of the security video and requested for full refund my money. Analyzing security video will clearly show that I was targeted by these casinos to lose.
I truly was under the assumption that North American casinos do not cheat. Especially I was shocked when some government run casinos engaged with similar practices. Most importantly, I believed in specific probability based on the actual game theory. When casinos cheat using remote control, they have 100% edge over you. Now I know the real meaning of "Casinos always win". Sometimes Casinos may create illusion that someone is winning. It is because, they allowed it at their own will. Casinos and others are always going to deny that remote controlled are being used. They will claim that they are meeting Government / state regulations. When you try to file a complaint, you will quickly discover that it is a joke and players are merely protected. I have requested data analysis of dice outcomes from video security data to the gaming commission.
Here is an example scenario based on article reported on one of the casino. Twelve were all craps dealers and are suspected of cheating the players. The scam involved dealers and supervisors. Now, I feel same thing is going on in many casinos. Where Casinos are cheating using remote controlled dice to decide who are the winners and looser. Allowing such technology in casinos can lead so many concerns such integrity of the casino, misleading the players, cheating the players, fraud, discrimination, bribery and employee/management dishonesty. While legitimate players loose discriminately and Government not receiving its correct share of casino gaming revenue.
Remember that only players cannot cheat, but casino almost always get away with cheating the players, probably with fraction of fine. In conclusion, your family and/or friends could be the next victim, you must share this knowledge ensure their safety and welfare.
No copy right assumed and feel free to change, edit, publish and / or distribute.
Thanks.
I haven't had a good laugh like that for a while. :)
Where do I get some? Must work outdoors on sidewalk, etc. TYIA for quick reply; need more horsey bux soon.Quote:using remote controlled dice
Wow. How do they conceal the little retro rockets and engine noise from the dice? Do they rely on the background noise of the crowd?Quote: CasinoReviewsWhere Casinos are cheating using remote controlled dice to decide who are the winners and looser. Allowing such technology in casinos can lead so many concerns such integrity of the casino
I'll recopy and publish this when the stresses of the world get too much for me and I need to recuperate in Arkham.Quote:No copy right assumed and feel free to change, edit, publish and / or distribute.
Explain me what I do win? Try have positive thoughts at game, think that most important. Thanks You for help.
Ain't no such thing as the Do Not Pass Bar its Do Not Pass (Bar the 6-6). In other words your Do Not Pass bet is valid for all results except the double Sixes.Quote: RS! Maths says play do not pass bar
I like this idea of the casino being in remote control of the dice. The owner sleeps well at night knowing the youngsters he just hired have access to that button and the accountants all sleep well knowing that so many people know of the button but don't use it for collusion by inviting all their friends to play and then really going wild on a few rolls.
Quote: FleaStiffAin't no such thing as the Do Not Pass Bar its Do Not Pass (Bar the 6-6). In other words your Do Not Pass bet is valid for all results except the double Sixes.
You don't know! I play expert craps everywere. Many casino now offer do not pass bar. Maybe not your casino? Don't worry, you will learn. Any question please aks me. And don't worry about remote. Only the big casino can have it. Play the small casino.
I will be rich. As soon as I figure out how to make it quit starting the engine & opening everything on my car, since I'm not so good yet at understanding the girl singing the instructions in Romanian. But she sounds sweet.
Quote: CasinoReviewsThey make these remote control dice in transparent as well. Please do not assume, small casinos do not use these technology.
So, you're really being serious? OK.
You claim that you have noticed this personally, is that correct?
I see that you are basing your claims by comparing what you observed to known averages the dice should follow. HOWEVER, is it not possible that the dice just happened to roll the way they did? I mean, you must be calculating some kind of a deviation from the mean, and if there is a big enough sample-size, then you must have witnessed one of those rare deviations from the norm... either that or the house must be cheating, is that your conclusion?
Has anyone ever said they know remote control dice are being used? Has anyone seen the button? Has anyone heard anyone talk about a button?
Is it possible that some of the casino staff are deploying this right under the noses of the house and then raking up the extra money? Cheating is punishable by prison time and I wouldn't want to be caught cheating by the house in any case... can you say "claw hammer"? If you are making this conclusion based upon your own personal sampling, then have you considered what the casinos are risking by deploying such technology? If this is for real, wouldn't they lose more business than they can already make honestly, just by the statistical advantage that they already have?
I always like to say that Vegas wasn't built upon winners, do you think this has been going on for a long time, or is this something that gets deployed whenever the technology becomes available?
Personally, I think that you might be worrying about the wrong thing... if you're in the casino, then you're gonna lose anyways, so why does it bother you when you see it happen in streaks? That's they way lady luck operates, but a small house edge means much longer streaks in the house's direction.
Finally, if you are absolutely positive they have remote control, then why can't you take advantage and bet whatever numbers they're forcing? Have you seen anyone asked to leave for watching and waiting on the remote-dice controlled 7-out the same way a blackjack player might wait for a high deck-count? Were they watching you when you made these observations?
Can you name the casino(s) you claim to have seen this at?
Personally, I don't believe that you are being real and true about these claims. PROVE it for all of us. We are very interested in this, for obvious reasons.
The only way is the force.
Quote: CasinoReviews. I am writing this article based on my personal experience and research.
Oh excellent.... please post your scientific findings for review. Thanks in advance.
Looking around a little online I did find some examples of setups that are claimed to make dice obey instructions when a remote control device is activated, and they seem plausible. Thing is, like what was implied a few posts above, they apparently involve shooting the dice on some pretty substantial metal plates with electric inputs to create a magnetic field for the rigged dice. It would be quite an elaborate installation to construct, and not just something you could palm and then stick in your pocket and carry away.
Maybe at Vinny's Pork Market & Bada-Bing invitation only Social Club, where the pork is lean, the lights are dim, the women are for rent, and anyone checking stuff out too closely would get their hand cut off. That's if Vinny & Tony & Company are fundamentally incompetent at understanding the basic business, or else have a special need to do all their business super-fast & then disappear more quickly than it usually takes for a gambler to puke his money in the normal way.
Quote: CasinoReviewsWhen they use remote, no bet is safe. Even the don't
Why not just bet against what the most money is bet on? Unless you believe that the casino is specifically targetting you because they hate you it would seem this would be a quick way to get rich.,
The casinos don't use remote controlled dice; they use remote controlled chips, designed to jump from your rail into the boxman's stacks.
They all use them.
People shouldn't waste time trying to control dice, they need to control their chips.
Yeah. It's all about managing to hang on to your chips or even hanging onto your money before converting to chips to spite the casino's crooked system.Quote: MrVPeople shouldn't waste time trying to control dice, they need to control their chips.
You need what I call a © Money Management System ©
You are funny RS $:o)Quote: RSExplain me what I do win? Try have positive thoughts at game, think that most important. Thanks You for help.
I'd say stay hydrated, but that's a different game. Still, can't do any harm.
Quote: DrawingDeadFound it!
Cool. I wants one.
I googled remote controlled dice and found lots of (Chinese) suppliers of remote controlled dice and all sorts of card marking paraphernalia.
Coolest sounding cheating device was special contact lenses for reading invisibly marked cards. I want's me some. And some of those X-Ray spex for seeing through lady's clothes.
I have to admit to being stunned by what these cheating suppliers have to offer:-
Don't follow the search result links, below, unless you have top notch anti-malware software installed: Remarkably the cheating 645t4rds who would sell these devices are also inclined to throw all sorts of pc hijacking exploits at us.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=remote+control+dice
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=marked+cards+contact+lenses
But SERIOUSLY.
For any casino to use this kind of device, they would need to fit masses of hardware directly under the felt of the table. Integrating that kind of hardware into a big table would take some explaining away if they ever got busted. Not something the dealer and pit crew would implement. Detecting the 'fixed' table would need little more than a magnetometer (There's an app for that) or a sprinkling of iron filings or sitting a tiny steel ball sat next to your pile of chips for good luck. It would probably fly about the table like a bullet when the electromagnets are in play, or would leap to the dice. Heck, the behaviour of those dice would even be apparent to an observant human.
Quote: CasinoReviewsI have requested the casinos to generate backup of the security video and requested for full refund my money. Analyzing security video will clearly show that I was targeted by these casinos to lose.
Oh yeah! Good luck with that $:o)
Not sure what you are saying here: does it mean you are requesting the data so that you can show it to the gaming commission, or that you have notified the commission of your request for data (probably both)?
Have you talked to the gaming commission, and if so, what did they tell you?
We do pay attention!Quote: CasinoReviewsNext time when you are in any Casino pay close attention to everything. Start watching them. When you notice Cheating in specific casino expose them.
We don't (generally) Notice cheating!
If we did notice cheating, we would show no mercy in exposing them, or exploiting them.*
But, so far, you've made serious allegations here without presenting any evidence at all. That's just pointless. Worse than pointless.
* Except in one shameful case where members here went quietly on their way with little more than a local blacklisting and a few refunds, after almost conclusively proving an online casino was as bent as a dogs hind leg.
** Oh yeah, and there was that games manufacturer whose play money software (gift) was bugged and didn't get repaired.
Quote: CasinoReviewsI do have pile of evidence and can not post them here. Most people have no idea this goes on and at least if I can save one person, I am happy.
You aspire to save at least one person from being cheated by throwing out there the assertion that
"Some casinos cheat: I have evidence"
OK. Let me do that bit for society
"Some politicians lie: I have evidence"
Totally pointless, regardless of whether true or false.
Come back here when your evidence has any impact or has any value.
Define work? If I sit there and they give me more money than I give to them, but I enjoy it and can come and go as I please, does that count as work?Quote: CasinoReviewsYou sound like you work for Casino.
No. I don't work for a casino. I don't want to and I don't need to.
Sure, some casinos cheat. but you have presented no evidence to this forum that you are anything but a sore loser.
If you presented your evidence to any gaming authority, I wonder if they have stopped laughing yet.
If you presented your evidence to casino management, I wonder if they will ever stop laughing.
Quote: CasinoReviewsI do have pile of evidence and can not post them here. Most people have no idea this goes on and at least if I can save one person, I am happy.
There are plenty of forum members who make a habit of shouting down anyone who feels that a casino might be cheating. As a group, they appear to me to be technology know-nothings who don't have a clue about what is possible. They all believe in the ethical purity of casinos because -incredibly enough - they think casinos would never have any incentive to make more money than their statistical "expected value." They think that casinos have responded to the recent downturn in the number of gamblers by shrugging their shoulders and doing nothing.
Don't let these people discourage you from posting here and providing whatever information you have. There are a lot of us who have read your post, are interested in learning more and are keeping an open mind - we're just not as hyperactive as the naysayers who are criticizing you.
Quote: CasinoReviewsEven better, if you know a Casino Staff, Get the information on how they cheat. I have had some staff confess to me. Lower level staff would not know, has to to be higher management or tech.
This is how we know you are a liar. The same technology that casinos use to cheat they use to watch their employees closely at all times, even when not working. If any of them were to ever talk about what's going on they would be "taken care of."
I'm more than happy to acknowledge that cheating casinos exist. I've been cheated by a casino myself ( by their own interpretation of their own rigged rules ) That some casinos use cheating devices is quite possible: I accept that.Quote: gordonm888There are plenty of forum members who make a habit of shouting down anyone who feels that a casino might be cheating.
Don't let these people discourage you from posting here and providing whatever information you have. There are a lot of us who have read your post, are interested in learning more and are keeping an open mind - we're just not as hyperactive as the naysayers who are criticizing you.
But the OP has added nothing to this forum here by telling us that an un-named casino or its operatives are using a rigged table to cheat. The magnetic dice and rigged table would be provably detectable by a schoolboy physics student. Incredibly easily detectable and provable. Any interested manager or authority would have plenty of ability to shut down the table or casino, or to backroom and disappear anyone who is about to blow the gaff.
No evidence has been presented here and I reckon that no evidence has been presented by the OP to any person or authority. That he claims to have had casino operatives confess to him is just a plain stupid assertion. Who would do that and why?
If I didn't know better, I'd figure that the OP is subtly trying to advertise the kind of product that google searches reveal as available.
Next to ZERO people believe you.Quote: CasinoReviewsI do have pile of evidence and can not post them here. Most people have no idea this goes on and at least if I can save one person, I am happy.
Put up or shut up.
Quote: Jfitch1974You must be an agent of the casino . They definitely cheat and I know it . Everyone at the table has all the numbers but say a 5 . That number hit the other day 9 times lol . I see it all the time . Too much ! It’s a corporation they are looking to increase profits . I have been gambling at casinos for over 20 years . In the last 4-5 years I have seen things that make no sense mathematically happen over and over .
link to original post
Lets review.
1) You KNOW the casino is cheating.
2) No one was betting #5 so the casino rigged it to come in nine times in a row.
3) Knowing the casino was cheating and that they were going to have the ball land on the #5, you did what?
a bunch of darksiders I guess
Quote: billryan
Lets review.
1) You KNOW the casino is cheating.
2) No one was betting #5 so the casino rigged it to come in nine times in a row.
3) Knowing the casino was cheating and that they were going to have the ball land on the #5, you did what?
link to original post
Quote: odiousgambitevidently no one was even on the Pass line or nine 5s in a row would have been sweet!
okay, let's review
if everybody started betting the #5 after it came 5 times in a row then the casino cheaters thru remote control would have switched it so the # 9 starts coming out a lot of times in a row to tease the players and infuriate them (if nobody was betting on the #9)
if they had been betting pass (come) the casino thru remote control would have made them seven out every time
it's quite obvious - the casinos have mastered technology that even the NSA or the CIA doesn't know about -
Casino Executives are just about the smartest people in the whole world - very few are aware of that - I'm revealing it here for the first time
because they can do this stuff and nobody can really figure out exactly how they are doing it - amazing - I wonder if investigative journalism will ever find out how they do it and expose their nefarious doings
.
Quote: odiousgambitevidently no one was even on the Pass line or nine 5s in a row would have been sweet!
It'd be too late if you were on the pass line, unless you were increasing the bet without taking profitsQuote:okay, let's review
if everybody started betting the #5 after it came 5 times in a row then the casino cheaters thru remote control would have switched it so the # 9 starts coming out a lot of times in a row to tease the players and infuriate them (if nobody was betting on the #9)
then it wouldn't be 9 5's in a row, would it?Quote:if they had been betting pass (come) the casino thru remote control would have made them seven out every time
what the house is clever about is short-paying the players, but then allowing them to think it's some kind of conspiracy of using crooked dice that no co-conspirator among the millions has ever revealedQuote:it's quite obvious - the casinos have mastered technology that even the NSA or the CIA doesn't know about -
Casino Executives are just about the smartest people in the whole world - very few are aware of that - I'm revealing it here for the first time
link to original post
Quote: odiousgambitwhat the house is clever about is short-paying the players,
have you yourself been cheated by means of a short pay - and how many times____? - and did you correct them and then get the correct payout_____? - and how did the employee making the payouts react to that________?
have you seen others cheated by short pay - how often_____?
thanks
.