CRAPS ~ DICE UNBALANCE MYSTERY ~ DICE PHYSICAL DATA
Care to put you're money where your mouth/video is?
Agian I ask. Where/how and how much for the dice?
Quote: AxelWolfWhy not test more dice with credible person and prove it? Because someone found the ONE pair of dice that finally fit their theories. You know dam well if someone bought some dice the results would show something totally different.
Care to put you're money where your mouth/video is?
Agian I ask. Where/how and how much for the dice?
AxleWolf,
Read & Attempt to Comprehend this:
Not Cherry Picking, when 100% of Certain Dice, as used in most Las Vegas Casino's, FAIL On a Dice Balancing Caliper, like that shown in this link!
( http://www.gamblersgeneralstore.com/store/p/1876-Dice-Balancing-Caliper.aspx ).
All here should attempt to Understand how, when properly utilized, the Dice Balancing Caliper is 100% Capable of establishing if if a Die is BALANCED or NOT & to Document that Face of the Die that exhibits itself as HEAVIER than the other Faces of that Die.
As I have stated previously, the Dice Balancing Caliper, discussed on this thread is NOT Capable of Establishing the Amount of Unbalance in a DIE, nor physical dimensions of that Die, only if that Die is essentially Balanced or NOT, & the specific FACE of a Die that has been confirmed UNBALANCED!
View, with your own EYES how these Dice are 100% unbalanced in favor of the# (6) Face here:
I posted ""1) Somehow weight the # 5 & 6 Faces, which produce an abnormal # of 1's & 2's."" Yada, Yada, Yada...
Yes, that is the ONLY answer to this Video that is possible: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSx7aVMKCOQ&feature=youtu.be ).
Why not accept REALITY & make an attempt to solve the CRAPS ~ DICE UNBALANCE MYSTERY ~ DICE PHYSICAL DATA
eagleeye2
ZCore13
Quote: eagleeye2Read & Attempt to Comprehend this:
Not Cherry Picking, when 100% of Certain Dice, as used in most Las Vegas Casino's, FAIL On a Dice Balancing Caliper, like that shown in this link!
( http://www.gamblersgeneralstore.com/store/p/1876-Dice-Balancing-Caliper.aspx ).
Quote: eagleeye2"" Trust but confirm "" ~ That is exactly what I set out to do when I Ordered (3) Sleeves of "Casino Quality, 3/4 Inch, Clear, Highly Polished Dice, purportedly to be from (3) different suppliers. Unfortunately, they may have all came from the same manufacturer, (as they were all packaged in the Traditional Gold Foil Wrapper).
Also unfortunately, all 15 dice were Found to Be Balanced to my satisfaction, on a dice Caliper. Individual Weights & Measurements of these dice are reported in the table way back in my # 1, original posting. Based upon this data, these Dice were judged, by me, to have been manufactured under Good Manufacturing Practices.
I think we're having a miscommunication about what "cherry picking" means. Or proper data collection.
You did the experiment yourself, found no evidence of bias in your sample, so your next step was to throw out your results because they "unfortunately" didn't match up with some anonymous Internet videos?
That tells me the actual bias lies with you, not with the dice.
Can you answer the following questions without mentioning any links or repeating the same thing.Quote: AxelWolfWhy not ask SOMEONE to help test more dice Someone credible person and prove it?
Care to put you're money where your mouth/video is?
Agian I ask. Where/how and how much for the dice?
Why not ask SOMEONE to help test more dice Someone credible person and prove it?
Care to put you're money where your mouth/video is?
Agian I ask. Where/how and how much for the dice?
ARE YOU WILLING TO BET MONEY THAT THE DICE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT FAVOR 6 AND 1? if not WHY? I'm willing to put forth some effort and money to first find out if this is more than just a fluke.
Also if you know of a specific place that you are certain they are using biased dice that significant favor 7's due to a bias please tell us.
Quote: AxelWolfCan you answer the following questions without mentioning any links or repeating the same thing.
Why not ask SOMEONE to help test more dice Someone credible person and prove it?
Care to put you're money where your mouth/video is?
Agian I ask. Where/how and how much for the dice?
ARE YOU WILLING TO BET MONEY THAT THE DICE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT FAVOR 6 AND 1? if not WHY? I'm willing to put forth some effort and money to first find out if this is more than just a fluke.
Also if you know of a specific place that you are certain they are using biased dice that significant favor 7's due to a bias please tell us.
I can order dice from different manufacturers. They will be sealed when delivered for the wager. I'm willing to add some money to the side of the dice being balanced when they are unveiled.
ZCore13
Not that a direct response is expected, but how in the world would this poster have any idea which dice MOST Las Vegas casinos use, especially from a source that once claimed that no $5 minimums were available?Quote: eagleeye2When 100% of Certain Dice, as used in most Las Vegas Casino's, FAIL On a Dice Balancing Caliper, like that shown in this link! ( http://www.gamblersgeneralstore.com/store/p/1876-Dice-Balancing-Caliper.aspx ).
I prefer them to come from the same place they got the video dice from, because they will just say something like ....when the casino needs to gear up for a special event they have a specific place they order from. So yes, I'm interested in having you order the dice if he tells us where they got them. Maybe he did already and I missed it.Quote: Zcore13I can order dice from different manufacturers. They will be sealed when delivered for the wager. I'm willing to add some money to the side of the dice being balanced when they are unveiled.
ZCore13
I seriously doubt he's willing to actually pony up anything, because he knows it will probably show nothing significant. He would rather cling to ONE video and a bunch of loony toons who blame bias dice for their failed DI sessions, or whatever they are trying to prove.
Bring a dice balancing caliper with you to a casino; if needed, bring in a small base to mount it to, something you can rest on the rails of the craps table.
Go to a dead table.
Ask the boxman for two dice, say you are "running an experiment," and that at no time will the dice you will examine be removed from his sight.
Test them.
I assume by now you can determine by looking at the dice at rest after spinning on the caliper whether they are balanced, and if out of balance, which numbers would be favored.
Thank the boxman, ask to play with the two dice you determined to be unbalanced, and play in accordance with your findings: if sixes are favored, place the six; if sevens, bet the don'ts or hop the sevens.
Quote: MrVI wonder whether the OP or any of the Dozen Dice Detectives he's enlisted have tried this:
Bring a dice balancing caliper with you to a casino; if needed, bring in a small base to mount it to, something you can rest on the rails of the craps table.
Go to a dead table.
Ask the boxman for two dice, say you are "running an experiment," and that at no time will the dice you will examine be removed from his sight.
Test them.
I assume by now you can determine by looking at the dice at rest after spinning on the caliper whether they are balanced, and if out of balance, which numbers would be favored.
Thank the boxman, ask to play with the two dice you determined to be unbalanced, and play in accordance with your findings: if sixes are favored, place the six; if sevens, bet the don'ts or hop the sevens.
Welcome Mr. V,
Nice to see someone posting other than subterfuge! My definition of subterfuge being: Filling Posts with THINGS Totally Unrelated to Solving the Problem at hand, which is CRAPS ~ DICE UNBALANCE MYSTERY ~ DICE PHYSICAL DATA, as the nay~swayers, on this thread continue to do. Yes, unfortunately, the majority of postings (by the nay~swayers, on this thread), fall into that category.
Of NOTE, I have not enlisted any Dice Detectives (your comment: I wonder whether the OP or any of the Dozen Dice Detectives he's enlisted have tried this:), their comments were floating on the internet long before I got into the CRAPS ~ DICE UNBALANCE MYSTERY ~ DICE PHYSICAL DATA, thread.
Read through this Link ( http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/p/biased-dice.html ) then decide for yourself, if the Expert Team listed has more credibility than
the junk posted by the nay~swayers, on this thread
Lastly, your idea sounds totally logical, however, IMHO NO CASINO would allow anyone to do what you suggest, as they protect their operations with an IRON Hand. Ask Face about that if you wish.
So, bottom line, all must contribute to help solve this problem, within a reasonable time frame.
eagleeye2
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How is buying a bunch more dice and having them tested start to finish by a credible person subterfuge?Quote: eagleeye2Welcome Mr. V,
Nice to see someone posting other than subterfuge! My definition of subterfuge being: Filling Posts with THINGS Totally Unrelated to Solving the Problem at hand, which is CRAPS ~ DICE UNBALANCE MYSTERY ~ DICE PHYSICAL DATA, as the nay~swayers, on this thread continue to do. Yes, unfortunately, the majority of postings (by the nay~swayers, on this thread), fall into that category.
You're guilty of avoiding anything that may actually debunk your theories. You don't seem interested in finding out if there's actually bias dice purposely being sold, the real MYSTERY is why.
You also won't answer any pertinent questions.
Is their a reason you won't say where the dice were purchased from? Or did I miss that part?
I don't think what you're saying is totally impossible, but what iI can't understand why you expect us to use >>ONE<< video and a blog site to form a sensible opinion.
Quote: AxelWolfHow is buying a bunch more dice and having them tested start to finish by a credible person subterfuge?
You're guilty of avoiding anything that may actually debunk your theories. You don't seem interested in finding out if there's actually bias dice purposely being sold, the real MYSTERY is why.
You also won't answer any pertinent questions.
Is their a reason you won't say where the dice were purchased from? Or did I miss that part?
I don't think what you're saying is totally impossible, but what iI can't understand why you expect us to use >>ONE<< video and a blog site to form a sensible opinion.
AxleWolf,
Try to visualize the following...
You will determine that Properly Utilized, the Dice Balancing Caliper is is 100% Capable of Establishing weather a Die is essentially Balanced, & which Face Of the Die Is Heavier than the others if that Die is Determined to be Unbalanced, "debunking" absolutely cannot be achieved here!
All here should attempt to Understand how, when properly utilized, the Dice Balancing Caliper is 100% Capable of establishing if if a Die is BALANCED or NOT & to Document that Face of the Die that exhibits itself as HEAVIER than the other Faces of that Die.
As I have stated previously, the Dice Balancing Caliper, discussed on this thread is NOT Capable of Establishing the Amount of Unbalance in a DIE, nor physical dimensions of that Die, only if that Die is essentially Balanced or NOT, & the specific FACE of a Die that has been confirmed UNBALANCED!
View, with your own EYES how these Dice are 100% unbalanced in favor of the# (6) Face here:
I posted ""1) Somehow weight the # 5 & 6 Faces, which produce an abnormal # of 1's & 2's."" Yada, Yada, Yada...
Yes, that is ABSOLUTELY the ONLY answer to this Video that is possible: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSx7aVMKCOQ&feature=youtu.be ).
Why not accept REALITY & make an attempt to solve the CRAPS ~ DICE UNBALANCE MYSTERY ~ DICE PHYSICAL DATA
eagleeye2
Quote: AxelWolf
Is their a reason you won't say where the dice were purchased from? Or did I miss that part?
Axlewolf,
The Dice in this Video Were Purchased as Two Sets of (5), One Set Red, the Other Set Green, Casino Quality, Clear, Highly Polished, 3/4 Inch Nominal diameter, Machined to 0.0001 Inch & Perfectly Balanced, or so it said on the Web Site.
These Dice Bear the Logo ( Axis Power Craps ) & were Purchased New, Directly From Heavy's web Site. Link To Video Follows:
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSx7aVMKCOQ&feature=youtu.be )
eagleeye2
Well now I get it, this is just one elaborate spamming tactic.Quote: eagleeye2Axlewolf,
The Dice in this Video Were Purchased as Two Sets of (5), One Set Red, the Other Set Green, Casino Quality, Clear, Highly Polished, 3/4 Inch Nominal diameter, Machined to 0.0001 Inch & Perfectly Balanced, or so it said on the Web Site.
These Dice Bear the Logo ( Axis Power Craps ) & were Purchased New, Directly From Heavy's web Site. Link To Video Follows:
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSx7aVMKCOQ&feature=youtu.be )
eagleeye2
As to why you keep adding links to his video and that blog. Get some google ranking and video hits.
Quote: AxelWolfWell now I get it, this is just one elaborate spamming tactic.
As to why you keep adding links to his video and that blog. Get some google ranking and video hits.
Yup. He ignores ideas and offers to get actual casino dice. He ignores the 15 dice he says he ordered that were perfect. He just repeats the same thing over and over and links to the same hokey masked man video.
ZCore13
What a HOOT you are AxleWolf!
All here should attempt to Understand how, when properly utilized, the Dice Balancing Caliper is 100% Capable of establishing if if a Die is BALANCED or NOT & to Document that Face of the Die that exhibits itself as HEAVIER than the other Faces of that Die.
As I have stated previously, the Dice Balancing Caliper, discussed on this thread is NOT Capable of Establishing the Amount of Unbalance in a DIE, nor physical dimensions of that Die, only if that Die is essentially Balanced or NOT, & the specific FACE of a Die that has been confirmed UNBALANCED!
View, with your own EYES how these Dice are 100% unbalanced in favor of the# (6) Face here:
I posted ""1) Somehow weight the # 5 & 6 Faces, which produce an abnormal # of 1's & 2's."" Yada, Yada, Yada...
Yes, that is ABSOLUTELY the ONLY answer to this Video that is possible: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSx7aVMKCOQ&feature=youtu.be ).
Why not accept REALITY & make an attempt to solve the CRAPS ~ DICE UNBALANCE MYSTERY ~ DICE PHYSICAL DATA
eagleeye2
Quote: AxelWolfWell now I get it, this is just one elaborate spamming tactic.
As to why you keep adding links to his video and that blog. Get some google ranking and video hits.
WoW, I answer your Question & you reply with ""this is just one elaborate spamming tactic""
Open Your Eyes & SEE, DUH!
eagleeye2
Yet another Link to Unbalanced Dice...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d8b_1430149281
eagleeye2
Quote: eagleeye2I have not enlisted any Dice Detectives (your comment: I wonder whether the OP or any of the Dozen Dice Detectives he's enlisted have tried this:), their comments were floating on the internet long before I got into the CRAPS ~ DICE UNBALANCE MYSTERY ~ DICE PHYSICAL DATA, thread.
But you posted:
"Over the past 2 years, we have assembled a Biased Dice Research Team which includes over a dozen dice detectives with professional resumes that include:
- a double PhD tenured Math professor;
- a NASA aerospace scientist;
- a retired plastics engineer;
- a mechanical engineer;
- an electrical engineer;
- 2 finance majors;
- a CPA;
- a computer geek;
- and 4 craps players that live and play in Las Vegas almost every day of the year"
Fine, so you didn't "enlist" a dirty dozen dice dicks, you "assembled" them.
From what: snips and snails and puppy dog's tails?
Quote: eagleeye2unfortunately, the majority of postings (by the nay~swayers, on this thread), fall into that category
Quote: eagleeye2I Ordered (3) Sleeves of "Casino Quality, 3/4 Inch, Clear, Highly Polished Dice, purportedly to be from (3) different suppliers. Unfortunately, they may have all came from the same manufacturer, (as they were all packaged in the Traditional Gold Foil Wrapper).
Also unfortunately, all 15 dice were Found to Be Balanced to my satisfaction, on a dice Caliper.
What do you call a die that doesn't sway when it's put into a caliper?
A "nay~swayer."
Quote: MrVBut you posted:
"Over the past 2 years, we have assembled a Biased Dice Research Team which includes over a dozen dice detectives with professional resumes that include:
- a double PhD tenured Math professor;
- a NASA aerospace scientist;
- a retired plastics engineer;
- a mechanical engineer;
- an electrical engineer;
- 2 finance majors;
- a CPA;
- a computer geek;
- and 4 craps players that live and play in Las Vegas almost every day of the year"
Fine, so you didn't "enlist" a dirty dozen dice dicks, you "assembled" them.
From what: snips and snails and puppy dog's tails?
Sorry if I disappoint you, but the above was copied directly from this web site:k ( http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/p/biased-dice.html ) (Read through this Link then decide for yourself, if the Expert Team listed has more credibility than the junk posted by the nay~swayers, on this thread!
By the way, I have NEVER Meta SINGLE one of those listed above.
eagleeye2
Quote: MathExtremistWhat do you call a die that doesn't sway when it's put into a caliper?
A "nay~swayer."
Cute!
eagleeye2
Quote: eagleeye2Sorry if I disappoint you, but the above was copied directly from this web site:k ( http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/p/biased-dice.html ) (Read through this Link then decide for yourself, if the Expert Team listed has more credibility than the junk posted by the nay~swayers, on this thread!
Why do you trust some anonymous list of alleged experts more than you trust your own eyes? You did the caliper test on 15 dice and none of them were imbalanced.
And why do you trust that the credentials listed on that page are legitimate at all? How do you know he didn't just make up all that stuff?
What if I told you that I put together a casino gaming research team consisting of:
a) a Harvard-trained computer scientist,
b) a court-recognized expert in casino gaming technology,
c) a professional gaming mathematician with a 15-year history of delivering wagering games to regulated gaming jurisdictions,
d) a prolific gaming inventor with over 30 patents on wagering technology, several of which are being used by major gaming companies, and
e) a professional software engineer who formerly worked for Oracle and IBM.
Would you believe me? If not, why do you believe the other guy about his list?
Quote: MathExtremistWhy do you trust some anonymous list of alleged experts more than you trust your own eyes? You did the caliper test on 15 dice and none of them were imbalanced.
And why do you trust that the credentials listed on that page are legitimate at all? How do you know he didn't just make up all that stuff?
What if I told you that I put together a casino gaming research team consisting of:
a) a Harvard-trained computer scientist,
b) a court-recognized expert in casino gaming technology,
c) a professional gaming mathematician with a 15-year history of delivering wagering games to regulated gaming jurisdictions,
d) a prolific gaming inventor with over 30 patents on wagering technology, several of which are being used by major gaming companies, and
e) a professional software engineer who formerly worked for Oracle and IBM.
Would you believe me? If not, why do you believe the other guy about his list?
1) Why do you trust some anonymous list of alleged experts more than you trust your own eyes? You did the caliper test on 15 dice and none of them were imbalanced.
Math Extremist, That is what motivated me to Start this Post. You see, it is Obvious to Me & the Dice Caliper, that the Dice I Purchased (Likely Manufactured in Mexico) were different than the AXIS Power Craps Dice Stated to be Manufactured In Las Vegas NV ,& utilized in Most Las Vegas Casino's period!
Yes, Eyes are Necessary to Establish Balance or Unbalance With the Aid of a dice caliper. My Eyes & Dice Caliper Said all 15 Dice I Purchased Were Balanced!
My Eyes when Viewing this Video ( View, with your own EYES how these Dice are 100% unbalanced in favor of the# (6) Face here:
I posted ""1) Somehow weight the # 5 & 6 Faces, which produce an abnormal # of 1's & 2's."" Yada, Yada, Yada...
Yes, that is ABSOLUTELY the ONLY answer to this Video that is possible: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSx7aVMKCOQ&feature=youtu.be ).
2) And why do you trust that the credentials listed on that page are legitimate at all? How do you know he didn't just make up all that stuff?
First, I would ask your "Experts to lay out what you have UNCOVERED, relative to Unbalanced Dice! When I found B.S. I'd dismiss your list!
3) I have Read in it's Entirety the Material Contained in this LINK: ( http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/p/biased-dice.html ) and I have JUDGED the Material therein to be Through, Honestly Portrayed & reasonably accurate. Therefore, I Believe what is posted by them.
eagleeye2
Quote: eagleeye2Open Your Eyes & SEE For Yourself!
The DICE UNBALANCE PLOT THICKENS
Go to this Link & Tough It Out, near the end you will see Koganinja Discuss the Unbalance he encountered on a Dice Caliper, For New Dice, that Had Been Searlized, but Not Stamped with a Casino Logo! These Dice were Manufactured In Las Vegas, NV & wrapped in a Grey Heavy wrapper, that can be seen in theVideo in the second link:
( http://dicecraps.blogspot.com/search/label/Biased%20Dicehttp://dicecraps.blogspot.com/search/label/Biased%20Dice )
( http://dicecraps.blogspot.com/search/label/Biased%20Dice )
Koganinja also provides Proof ofUnbalanced Dice He acquired NEW that were Neither Searilized, Nor had Casino Insegnia's Stamped on them, that were Verified Unbalanced on a DiceBalancing Caliper
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Here's where the ""DICE UNBALANCE PLOT THICKENS"". Looking Back a bunch of Posta Ago, I posted this Which I Observed @ the Paris Casino, Las Vegas, NV:
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""Casino ~ Zero Spin ~ Dice Balance Practices?
Yesterday, I had an opportunity to observe steps to"verify Die Balance" prior to play @ the Paris Casino, Las Vegas, NV
It went like the following:
A) I observed steps for preparing to Open A New Craps Table
B) Operators assemble behind the table, pull plastic guard forward & Inventory Chips
C) At this point, I moved to the center of the Craps Pit, focusing on activity there
D) After some time, I saw a female get a set of Keys & Unlock a small cabinet there. She proceeded to pull out a sleeve of Dice. These dice appered to be packaged in a Clear Plastic Sleeve, which she pulled the end open & dumped the dice on the table top, of the cabinet from which she had pulled the dice out of.
At this time, a Suite moved next to her commenting something to her. As the Suite blocked my view, I proceeded around to the other side of the table, where I had a clear view of the action.
She pulled out a Dice Caliper & set it on the cabinet top. She then proceeded with the dice loading ritual, which required her to pull a lever, opening the Caliper with her Right Hand, then carefully loading the dice into it, with her Left hand, placing one of three major diaginals into the Caliper & releasing the lever, which appeared to be spring loaded, & now was securing the die in the caliper, with an unlnown force applied to the points of one major diagnal.
She took only a cusary look at the die, ~ ZERO SPIN APPLIED TO THE DIE ~ & with absolutely no knowledge of how free that die was to rotate, imediately grapsed the Die & released the lever, removing the Die & rotating it on to the next Major Diagonal, which she put carefully into the Caliper. To her credit, she "evaluated the die Balance" across all three Major Diagonals in this manner.
She then procrrded to sign a slip of paper & appeared to identify the dice as approved for that step. She then set the dice side by side & fingered them together, which could detect major dimensional variation, but I saw no effort to measure them ogtherwise. She then again entered what was likely an OK to use & Signed the paper, saving the paper & sending the dice to the table.
WOW, that Casino ~ Zero Spin ~ Dice Balance Practice in NO WAY VERIFIES that fhose Dice Are Balanced, PERIOD!
eagleeye2
Compare this, seen from about 12 Feet Away:
These dice appered to be packaged in a Clear Plastic Sleeve, which she pulled the end open & dumped the dice on the table top, of the cabinet from which she had pulled the dice out of.
With this photo of then dump the diceout.Dice!
( http://dicecraps.blogspot.com/search/label/Biased%20Dice )
Yes, I am QuiteConfident that the Greyish Packaging in the Photo was what the Female @ Paris Casino dumped the dice out of. The large flap made it easy for her to flip the end open, then dump the dice out.
Of Note, all of the three Sets of Dice I originally Purchased, were Packaged in the Traditional Gold Foil Wrapping, that would not allow the Dice to slide out, simpl by snapping the end open.
Unfortunately, Guys, this makes it look like the Paris Casino is using Unbalanced Dice, most of the time.
One footnote Here, When the Locked Cabinet Was Opened, I saw (2) Disitnct groops of dice in that Cabinet. My Estimamte would Place a container about 12 Sleeves By 12 Sleevs, (144 Sleeves Capacity) from which the Grey Plastic Looking Package (from 12 Feet away) was pulled & a smaller container about 4 Sleeves By 4 Sleeves (16 Sleeve Capacity), which also contained dice.
Thus, contrary to the Nay~Swayes, (on this thread), that Casino Had A Choice Of Dice To Put in Play!
Think About the Above & Watch the Excellent Video's By Koganinja with an OPEN Mind, before commenting on this Post!
eagleeye2
Heavy's Web site makes no mention of whether or not those dice are "utilized in Most Las Vegas Casino's period!"Quote: eagleeye2You see, it is Obvious to Me & the Dice Caliper, that the Dice I Purchased (Likely Manufactured in Mexico) were different than the AXIS Power Craps Dice Stated to be Manufactured In Las Vegas NV ,& utilized in Most Las Vegas Casino's period!
Quote: eagleeye2Math Extremist, That is what motivated me to Start this Post. You see, it is Obvious to Me & the Dice Caliper, that the Dice I Purchased (Likely Manufactured in Mexico) were different than the AXIS Power Craps Dice Stated to be Manufactured In Las Vegas NV ,& utilized in Most Las Vegas Casino's period!
I have JUDGED the Material therein to be Through, Honestly Portrayed & reasonably accurate. Therefore, I Believe what is posted by them.
Actually, the dice that are used in most Las Vegas casinos are manufactured in San Luis Rio Colorado, Mexico by GPI. The dice you purchased on the Internet -- that you found to be properly balanced -- are probably from the same factory in Mexico.
You should stop referring to that anonymous, conspiracy-filled website. It's inaccurate and unreliable.
Quote: MathExtremistActually, the dice that are used in most Las Vegas casinos are manufactured in San Luis Rio Colorado, Mexico by GPI. The dice you purchased on the Internet -- that you found to be properly balanced -- are probably from the same factory in Mexico.
You should stop referring to that anonymous, conspiracy-filled website. It's inaccurate and unreliable.
MathExtremist,
Cut The B.S. MathExtremist, The Website I provided is NOT Anonymous, Nor conspiracy-filled, Dam, you did not even watch the Video's, Yet you post B.S.!
The Video is Provided By Koganinja & he also & provides Proof ofUnbalanced Dice He acquired NEW that were Neither Searilized, Nor had Casino Insegnia's Stamped on them, that were Verified Unbalanced on a Dice Balancing Caliper.
Of Note, These Dice Were Provided in a Grey Heavy Wrapper, Not theTraditional Gold Foil Wrapper, the Mexican Dice are Provided In, Indicating a Different Manufacturer, period!
Koganinja provides Proof Of Dice Umbalance with Multiple Dice LINK:
http://dicecraps.blogspot.com/search/label/Biased%20Dice
GTC says 90% Of Casino's In Las Vegas Use Dice Koganinja Proved Were Unbalanced, Period.
Set your Paradigms Aside & Get With The Program!
P.S. ~ Please provide your Proof of Your B.S., i.e. ~ ""Actually, the dice that are used in most Las Vegas casinos are manufactured in San Luis Rio Colorado, Mexico by GPI. The dice you purchased on the Internet -- that you found to be properly balanced -- are probably from the same factory in Mexico.
éagleeye2
I offered to get you dice from as many different casino suppliers of dice you would like. You ignored it. You also ignore the 15 you personally (allegedly) put on a caliper. You offer absolutely no proof that there are any casinos using dice that are off balance enough to make any difference.
So I ask again, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and try and prove any part of your unfounded accusations and fairy tail theories or are you happy being uninformed and duped by internet con artists?
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Wow. GTC says 90% Of Casino's In Las Vegas Use Dice Koganinja Proved Were Unbalanced, Period. That's quite a lot of proof... If you also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Nobody cares what some masked man on a youtube video does with dice. Nobody cares what GTC says. Nobody cares about Koganinja. Nobody cares about some dude named Heavy. It's all a scam.
I offered to get you dice from as many different casino suppliers of dice you would like. You ignored it. You also ignore the 15 you personally (allegedly) put on a caliper. You offer absolutely no proof that there are any casinos using dice that are off balance enough to make any difference.
So I ask again, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and try and prove any part of your unfounded accusations and fairy tail theories or are you happy being uninformed and duped by internet con artists?
ZCore13
Now, that is one INSANE Response, but simply consider the source!
eagleeye2
Quote: eagleeye2Now, that is one INSANE Response, but simply consider the source!
eagleeye2
Should we do a poll and let everyone decide who might be more reliable?
ZCore13
Koganinja in his video after he "spint" the dice. Yes he said, "'spint"Quote: eagleeye2
He said, he charted rolls at Santa Fe station and found a large disproportional amount of 7's coming up, he is convinced its because they are using bias dice.
He solved "THE BIASED DICE MYSTERY" where, when, what and how
What is his advice?
A) stick around and exploit it and make lots of money ?
B) Leave and go somewhere else?
his advice was B an idiot and leave.
EXPLAIN WHY Someone who plays craps with the goal of making money wouldn't use this information to win?
Quote: Zcore13Should we do a poll and let everyone decide who might be more reliable?
ZCore13
B.S. Looses Every Time!
eagleeye2
Quote: eagleeye2
B.S. Looses Every Time!
Exactly. And it's "loses".
ZCore13
so you're saying who ever is full of it will lose? We must Vote then. Whomever loses refrains from posting for 30 days.Quote: eagleeye2B.S. Looses Every Time!
eagleeye2
Quote: eagleeye2The Website I provided is NOT Anonymous, Nor conspiracy-filled, Dam, you did not even watch the Video's, Yet you post B.S.!
The Video is Provided By Koganinja...
I don't think you understand what "anonymous" means. No parent in the history of humanity has named their child "Koganinja." That person is anonymous. You freely admit that you have never met any of the unnamed "assembled list of experts." They too are anonymous. Nobody knows who any of those people are, neither their credentials nor their reported results are independently verifiable (including by you) and there is no reason to give any weight to their conspiracy-laden commentary.
Quote:P.S. ~ Please provide your Proof of Your B.S., i.e. ~ ""Actually, the dice that are used in most Las Vegas casinos are manufactured in San Luis Rio Colorado, Mexico by GPI. The dice you purchased on the Internet -- that you found to be properly balanced -- are probably from the same factory in Mexico."
You have a strange definition of "B.S." if you think that your favorite conspiracy website is legitimate but publicly-traded regulatory filings aren't. From the latest 10-K filed by GPIC:
Quote: GPIC 10-K, May 19, 2015
GPI USA sells in the United States, Canada, the Caribbean, and Latin America. GPI USA sells our full product line, with most of the products manufactured in either San Luis Rio Colorado, Mexico, or, since July 1, 2014 (in connection with the GemGroup Acquisition), at our facility in Blue Springs, Missouri. The remainder is either manufactured in France or purchased from United States vendors. We also warehouse inventory in San Luis, Arizona and at our Las Vegas, Nevada headquarters, and, since July 1, 2014 (in connection with the GemGroup Acquisition), in Blue Springs, Missouri. We have sales offices in Las Vegas, Nevada; Atlantic City, New Jersey; Gulfport, Mississippi; and Blue Springs, Missouri.
It's pretty clear you have no interest in actually verifying what these conspiracy-theorist websites are saying or you would already have done the research into the manufacturers of casino equipment. You would already know about GPI's Mexico factory, who Paul Endy was, who Bud Jones was, etc. Instead, you're taking all that biased dice talk on blind faith, without a shred of verifiable evidence. That's fine for you if you want to dispense with skeptical inquiry, but don't expect the readership of this forum to fall for your conspiracy theories and transparent clickbaiting. Especially the several industry professionals on this forum.
Quote: MrV
Fine, so you didn't "enlist" a dirty dozen dice dicks, you "assembled" them.
"Dirty dozen dice dicks". I dunno what we're playing. I just know you've won XD
Hopefully, the pros at GPI can shuffle the cards better than the bozos at Gemaco.Quote: MathExtremist
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Quote: MathExtremistI don't think you understand what "anonymous" means. No parent in the history of humanity has named their child "Koganinja." That person is anonymous. You freely admit that you have never met any of the unnamed "assembled list of experts." They too are anonymous. Nobody knows who any of those people are, neither their credentials nor their reported results are independently verifiable (including by you)
MathExtremist, likewise you are anonymous and your opinion and credentials cannot be verified. How often do you play craps per year in a real casino on a live table?
Would you believe him if he said he plays craps a lot? What if he said he has never actually played live craps before at all? Would you believe that? If so, why?
Quote: Dalex64Why would you accept anonymous self-certification of how often someone plays craps?
Would you believe him if he said he plays craps a lot? What if he said he has never actually played live craps before at all? Would you believe that? If so, why?
Exactly !!
Quote: Dalex64So why did you ask him how often he goes to a craps table, if you are only going to believe the answer that you want to hear, or call the answer untrustworthy or unbelievable if it isn't what you want to hear?
You can't have logical conversation with DI people.
ZCore13
"The top face will always be more probable."
Dice Rolls are Not Completely Random
Quote: Kapitaniak et al., The three-dimensional dynamics of the die throw
From the point of view of dynamical system theory, the result of the die throw is predictable. Practically, the predictability can be realized only when the die is thrown by a special device which allows to set very precisely the initial conditions.
In other words, from the standpoint of a physical system, there is nothing random about dice throws. Using a robotic arm allows scientists to test this, but lack of such precision in a casino environment makes the throw unpredictable.
Link to paper
Quote: MathExtremistThat's not exactly what the paper says. What the word "predictable" means in chaos theory is very different than what it means to a gambler in a casino.
In other words, from the standpoint of a physical system, there is nothing random about dice throws. Using a robotic arm allows scientists to test this, but lack of such precision in a casino environment makes the throw unpredictable.
Link to paper
I have known about this article for some time, but I have not, before now, been able to download the article itself, only a summary/synopsis.
Thanks Mr. F! I'll have to wait until I have time to read it all, but great stuff, and thanks for sharing.
