Craps Expert List
August 19th, 2014 at 5:53:43 PM
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Simple (last update October 6 9:05 am)
(some may say this is stupid and that is an OK opinion)
1) name names of who you consider a craps expert
and
2) how one qualifies to be a craps expert
and I will vote to see if that person makes it on the list (huh?)
(Higher on the list does not mean they are a greater expert (or a more famous) than any other craps experts lower in the list,
like Frank Scoblete saying SN Ethier is a more famous math guy than Donald Catlin)
The list of Craps experts
1. John Scarne
The only man that has done more for gamblers, casinos and governments than any man that has ever lived.
(I sound biased)
all one has to do is read one of his many books.
I have this one
see
and yes, he has made math mistakes before too and every math guy jumped down his throat about it after
typical male responses. just my opinion
do not shoot the messenger with hands in the air
2. Paul Rodgers
3. The Wizard of Odds is Michael Shackleford (a member here at WoV)
4. John H. Winn
5. Stewart N. Ethier (a member here at WoV I think)
6. MathExtremist (Stacy F) (a member here at WoV)
7. Steen (WinCraps) (a member here at WoV)
8. PaiGow Dan (a member here at WoV)
9. Stephen How
10. Donald Catlin
11. Alan Shank (a member here at WoV)
12 Dale S Yeazel (a member here at WoV)
13. Vic Taucer
14. Ralph Cutolo
15. NowTheSerpent (a member here at WoV)
16. Patricia Demauro
17. ?
Who is the youngest in the group above?
(some may say this is stupid and that is an OK opinion)
1) name names of who you consider a craps expert
and
2) how one qualifies to be a craps expert
and I will vote to see if that person makes it on the list (huh?)
(Higher on the list does not mean they are a greater expert (or a more famous) than any other craps experts lower in the list,
like Frank Scoblete saying SN Ethier is a more famous math guy than Donald Catlin)
The list of Craps experts
1. John Scarne
The only man that has done more for gamblers, casinos and governments than any man that has ever lived.
(I sound biased)
all one has to do is read one of his many books.
I have this one
see
and yes, he has made math mistakes before too and every math guy jumped down his throat about it after
typical male responses. just my opinion
do not shoot the messenger with hands in the air
2. Paul Rodgers
(in conference) yes, he also sang with Queen
my thoughts
Album Title
Straight Shooter
(He could be a DI too, He plays every instrument known to man, maybe women too)
my thoughts
Album Title
Straight Shooter
(He could be a DI too, He plays every instrument known to man, maybe women too)
3. The Wizard of Odds is Michael Shackleford (a member here at WoV)
he has appeared numerous times on national television as a recognized expert on gambling strategy.
I had a change of mind.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/19253-adding-an-additional-bet-to-my-passline-after-the-point-is-established/5/#post388316
I had a change of mind.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/19253-adding-an-additional-bet-to-my-passline-after-the-point-is-established/5/#post388316
4. John H. Winn
from SN Ethier "The Doctrine of Chances"
"The don’t-pass (and don’t-come) bet was introduced by John H. Winn in
1907 (Scarne 1980, p. 20). Initially, there was a 5 percent commission. Later
the barred number became standard. Winn also introduced what was known
as the Philadelphia layout, the predecessor of today’s craps layout, and was
more responsible than anyone for making craps a casino game."
Looks like two thumbs up
"The don’t-pass (and don’t-come) bet was introduced by John H. Winn in
1907 (Scarne 1980, p. 20). Initially, there was a 5 percent commission. Later
the barred number became standard. Winn also introduced what was known
as the Philadelphia layout, the predecessor of today’s craps layout, and was
more responsible than anyone for making craps a casino game."
Looks like two thumbs up
5. Stewart N. Ethier (a member here at WoV I think)
Finally made it through his book
"The Doctrine of Chances"
If he is not a craps expert, no one is
Blinded by the book
I love his comments about himself
"This chapter is an expanded version of Ethier (2007b)."
not by Katy Perry
"The Doctrine of Chances"
If he is not a craps expert, no one is
Blinded by the book
I love his comments about himself
"This chapter is an expanded version of Ethier (2007b)."
not by Katy Perry
6. MathExtremist (Stacy F) (a member here at WoV)
7. Steen (WinCraps) (a member here at WoV)
8. PaiGow Dan (a member here at WoV)
9. Stephen How
10. Donald Catlin
11. Alan Shank (a member here at WoV)
12 Dale S Yeazel (a member here at WoV)
13. Vic Taucer
14. Ralph Cutolo
15. NowTheSerpent (a member here at WoV)
16. Patricia Demauro
The World Record Craps Roll
of Denville, New Jersey
May 23th 2009
at The Borgata Hotel Casino and Spa
Atlantic City, New Jersey
4 Hours and 18 Minutes
154 Rolls
It was reported it was only her 2nd time playing craps and her second hand that session
She also is mentioned in articles that she was learning as she played.
wow!
what a fast learner
set the bar high girl!
of Denville, New Jersey
May 23th 2009
at The Borgata Hotel Casino and Spa
Atlantic City, New Jersey
4 Hours and 18 Minutes
154 Rolls
It was reported it was only her 2nd time playing craps and her second hand that session
She also is mentioned in articles that she was learning as she played.
wow!
what a fast learner
set the bar high girl!
17. ?
Who is the youngest in the group above?
I Heart Vi Hart
August 19th, 2014 at 6:56:36 PM
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1) Naif M. Morre, Jr.
His patents have been the downfall of many inventor's attempts to obtain a new dice game/sidebet patents, because he has many of the basics covered in his patents to protect his ideas which limits others ...
2) Someone who understands the game well enough to either affect change or limit change in how we play the game today vs in the past.
His patents have been the downfall of many inventor's attempts to obtain a new dice game/sidebet patents, because he has many of the basics covered in his patents to protect his ideas which limits others ...
2) Someone who understands the game well enough to either affect change or limit change in how we play the game today vs in the past.
Learned Craps in 2013 .... Developed and have a PATENT on Craps "Back On Bet" side bet ...
Working on Craps game variations hope to have patents in 2018 - Second Chance Craps and Sub-Crap-tion ...
A completely new dice game idea is next - D.. Dice D......
August 19th, 2014 at 7:13:29 PM
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Me
lol
I'm strictly a don't player. I understand pass and don't and odds and laying odds but that's about it. Chips are being put on all kind of bets which I don't understand. I actually don't have the foggiest clue what's going on at the rest of the table.
I'm playing craps.
That's all that matters.
Most of my friends don't play and don't understand, therefore they consider me an expert on craps in our circle :-)
lol
I'm strictly a don't player. I understand pass and don't and odds and laying odds but that's about it. Chips are being put on all kind of bets which I don't understand. I actually don't have the foggiest clue what's going on at the rest of the table.
I'm playing craps.
That's all that matters.
Most of my friends don't play and don't understand, therefore they consider me an expert on craps in our circle :-)
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
August 19th, 2014 at 7:16:55 PM
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I've been dealing craps for 39 years and the following list shows all the people who are up long term:
get second you pig
August 19th, 2014 at 7:21:41 PM
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Quote: ontariodealerI've been dealing craps for 39 years and the following list shows all the people who are up long term:
There is a prolific craps author down in your neck of the woods, I'm sure you know whom I'm talking about. Not even him???
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
August 19th, 2014 at 7:25:02 PM
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I cannot comment on any specific player but I stand by my post above.
get second you pig
August 19th, 2014 at 7:28:52 PM
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I'm in shock.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
August 19th, 2014 at 7:56:26 PM
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Quote: DeMangoI'm in shock.
Why should you be, nobody said anything about fiction writers!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction
http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php
...
August 19th, 2014 at 8:22:02 PM
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1) Anyone who bets ONLY odds/come plus odds, or don't pass/come plus (lays) odds, without any other bets. Emphasis on proportionately making odds or lay bets a higher proportion of total wager, as these are fair bets.
2) Qualification is via observing #1 above.
I personally mainly play the don't, in the off chance that somehow the game is fixed, in which case it would favor the don't bettor, since most folks bet "right".
2) Qualification is via observing #1 above.
I personally mainly play the don't, in the off chance that somehow the game is fixed, in which case it would favor the don't bettor, since most folks bet "right".
August 19th, 2014 at 10:00:59 PM
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Now I'm confused on what to bet ...(Was that a typo ? ...ONLY pass/come plus odds ... right?)Quote: radioraheem1) Anyone who bets ONLY odds/come plus odds, ...
Learned Craps in 2013 .... Developed and have a PATENT on Craps "Back On Bet" side bet ...
Working on Craps game variations hope to have patents in 2018 - Second Chance Craps and Sub-Crap-tion ...
A completely new dice game idea is next - D.. Dice D......
August 19th, 2014 at 10:21:21 PM
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The game is fixed.Quote: radioraheemI personally mainly play the don't, in the off chance that somehow the game is fixed, in which case it would favor the don't bettor, since most folks bet "right".
One bets the pass line at $244 and on a win should be paid $251 buts is paid only $244
That is what I call fixed.
as for your 1) does that player actually exist?
IMO, no way
buts I do agree with 1 and 2
except one small problem
When God plays Craps, she knows what the next roll is and bets that number every time.
I think where she plays they limit her action (I would) no matter who she is
Sally
I Heart Vi Hart
August 19th, 2014 at 10:31:43 PM
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Leonardo Fernandez and Veronica Dabul - Craps players praised by a UNLV professor for their dedication to do something not many others could.
Argentine nationals accused by Wynn of cheating them out of more than $700,000 by "sliding" dice. Here is a quote from the LVRJ article on the arrest: "Because even basic competence at sliding, also called scooting, can take thousands of practice repetitions, often at home, not many people pull it off, said University of Nevada, Las Vegas gaming professor Anthony Lucas. "You have to have a real passion for it," he said. "There are scooters, but you can't become one by just reading a book or watching a video." Nevada Gaming Control Board deputy enforcement chief David Salas likened sliding to walking a tight rope. "You can do it after a lot of work, but a lot of people fall off," he said." (FromLVRJ article by TIM O'REILEY)
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
August 19th, 2014 at 10:33:16 PM
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Per Wikepedia most of us are experts.
I thought all you E=MC Squared people agreed, God doesn't play dice
Could it be God knows what the next number is, is because God is a di?
I thought all you E=MC Squared people agreed, God doesn't play dice
Could it be God knows what the next number is, is because God is a di?
August 19th, 2014 at 10:45:47 PM
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I have heard players say GOD DAMN when that 7 comes up, so maybe you are right.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
August 19th, 2014 at 11:19:10 PM
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Why anyone would want to be an expert at a negative game is beyond me. ( with the exception of selling something or possibly craps tournaments)
I'm an expert at casino WAR.
Any way to capitalize on this without conning or deceiving people?
I'm an expert at casino WAR.
Any way to capitalize on this without conning or deceiving people?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 20th, 2014 at 9:59:57 AM
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We know #13 is Aaron Hightower, but you devilishly stopped there!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 20th, 2014 at 10:27:44 AM
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noQuote: odiousgambitWe know #13 is Aaron Hightower,
We know, really, I stopped there because it was time to go to bed.
Other names I added will get a spoiler too
Donald Catlin was a late addition and I may changes that after seeing all of his qualifications
(he claims as a math guy, and a good one too, that DI is real because he won money from it and seen it with his own eyes)
I am really impressed with Dale and how he has just vanished.
he has some great craps ebooks
I must stop by Main Street Station and ask about him. (maybe Ahigh would do this for the list. he should know everything about Dale)
I gather he is dead too
(not that being dead is a bad thing)
Ahigh is not #13 (but could be with a simple adjustment Steen has pointed to)
as , to me, he wants to please everyone (my way or no way)
but he should have learned by now in life
so ya got to please yourself
(John Scarne and Ricky Nelson)
Sally
I Heart Vi Hart
August 20th, 2014 at 11:07:51 AM
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There's no such thing as an "expert gambler." If there is an "expert," I define him/her as follows:
1. Knows the pyramid, which numbers are most likely to show;
2. Knows the HA on various bets;
3. Knows how to bet accordingly, and will win/lose accordingly.
Fact: Craps is no different than any other gambling game: If your number shows, you win. If not, you lose. Simple as that. Craps is no different than bingo, keno, horse racing, sports team, slots, poker, etc. If your number/cards, etc., show before end of the game, hand, series, etc., you win. If other numbers/cards, etc., show before end of game, etc., you lose. Simple as that.
It's all chance. The only control you have is how much you bet according to your bankroll and how long you want to stay in the game. Sometimes the dice, team, race, bingo, keno, etc., numbers favor you; sometimes they won't. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Simple as that. Manipulate, bend, contort, your betting however you like. Take any angle you can; it all comes down to whether your numbers, etc., hit before game end. And no one can predict that.
By the above definition, I'm an expert. So is everyone else on this board. So is every serious craps player, including those who write books.
1. Knows the pyramid, which numbers are most likely to show;
2. Knows the HA on various bets;
3. Knows how to bet accordingly, and will win/lose accordingly.
Fact: Craps is no different than any other gambling game: If your number shows, you win. If not, you lose. Simple as that. Craps is no different than bingo, keno, horse racing, sports team, slots, poker, etc. If your number/cards, etc., show before end of the game, hand, series, etc., you win. If other numbers/cards, etc., show before end of game, etc., you lose. Simple as that.
It's all chance. The only control you have is how much you bet according to your bankroll and how long you want to stay in the game. Sometimes the dice, team, race, bingo, keno, etc., numbers favor you; sometimes they won't. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Simple as that. Manipulate, bend, contort, your betting however you like. Take any angle you can; it all comes down to whether your numbers, etc., hit before game end. And no one can predict that.
By the above definition, I'm an expert. So is everyone else on this board. So is every serious craps player, including those who write books.
August 20th, 2014 at 11:18:42 AM
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that topic is in another threadQuote: Sonny44There's no such thing as an "expert gambler."
This one has to do with a Craps Expert
nice opinionQuote: Sonny44By the above definition, I'm an expert.
a feel good opinionQuote: Sonny44So is everyone else on this board.
Thank you
please define "serious craps player"Quote: Sonny44So is every serious craps player, including those who write books.
I have never seen or heard of this before
all I can find is this incomplete article here
http://www.nextshooter.com/whylose
and why is a "serious craps player" different from a
"non-serious craps player"
Does it change the odds of winning for the pass line and place bets?
this could be the real God particle
Sally
I Heart Vi Hart
August 20th, 2014 at 11:29:35 AM
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Craps is probably the 2nd most simple casino game ever. I'd say first is Casino War. To play properly, you bet the lowest amount on don't pass, and the max odds, or whatever odds are appropriate for your bankroll. You can also play pass, come, don't come depending on your bankroll and amount you want to risk. Am I missing something here Sally? There's 2 dice, so the probability is easy to figure out.
I dint enjoy it, but I understand that some people do. I don't understand what could possibly make someone an "expert"
I dint enjoy it, but I understand that some people do. I don't understand what could possibly make someone an "expert"
August 20th, 2014 at 11:36:52 AM
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maybe if you are building a thermonuclear warheadQuote: FinsRuleAm I missing something here Sally?
I really do not know. You are talking bets to be made, I thinks
i no knows
that is why I am not a Craps expert.
I dint tooQuote: FinsRuleI dint enjoy it, but I understand that some people do.
me tooQuote: FinsRuleI don't understand what could possibly make someone an "expert"
This is why I love my husband so much
maybe Ahigh can shed light on this
"This Court now has ? on the witness stand as a Craps Expert"
I Heart Vi Hart
August 20th, 2014 at 11:44:34 AM
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that is nice, Thank youQuote: petroglyphPer Wikepedia most of us are experts.
but can not be true as 1 does not equal 0
Plus, the list of Craps Experts would then be way way too long
Einstein said once: "As I have said so many times, God doesn't play dice with the world."Quote: petroglyphI thought all you E=MC Squared people agreed, God doesn't play dice
So she plays at a craps table by herself and the dealers
such a nice thought
Sally
I Heart Vi Hart
August 20th, 2014 at 12:07:11 PM
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I don't get you, Sally. How can you say a craps player is not a gambler, which is what I said a craps player is? Ok, I'll lay it out for you: Craps players are gamblers because they play games of chance with money, and anyone who plays bingo, keno, roulette, baccarat, the horses, teams, etc., are gamblers because they play games of chance with money. Ergo, craps players are gamblers. My post is appropriate to this discussion.
"Feel good opinion," "nice opinion," I really don't care re: your opinion re: my opinion. I consider "serious craps player" as anyone who takes the time and interest to post on this or any other board about craps. Or, who writes books, etc., for that matter. A "non-serious" craps player is the man/woman, or a couple, group, partially drunk, who walk up to the table, buy in and bets the prop bets or other high HA bets, blow their $20 - $100 in 30 min. or less and disappear.
Are you "serious" or "non-serious"? You of course know the math, but that bores me. What also bores me is you math guys carrying out decimal points to the umpteenth degree. What is wrong with rounding up to two decimal points? Because you, et al., know the math certainly makes you no more an expert than the rest of us. The proof is in the pudding at the table.
I'm surprised and a bit amused I have to explain this stuff to you. Maybe you like to set up people & I bit. You're good at math and not much else. Well, maybe some entertainment. A "$585,000 bankroll"? Sounds more like your net worth, but good on you for that, nevertheless.
"Feel good opinion," "nice opinion," I really don't care re: your opinion re: my opinion. I consider "serious craps player" as anyone who takes the time and interest to post on this or any other board about craps. Or, who writes books, etc., for that matter. A "non-serious" craps player is the man/woman, or a couple, group, partially drunk, who walk up to the table, buy in and bets the prop bets or other high HA bets, blow their $20 - $100 in 30 min. or less and disappear.
Are you "serious" or "non-serious"? You of course know the math, but that bores me. What also bores me is you math guys carrying out decimal points to the umpteenth degree. What is wrong with rounding up to two decimal points? Because you, et al., know the math certainly makes you no more an expert than the rest of us. The proof is in the pudding at the table.
I'm surprised and a bit amused I have to explain this stuff to you. Maybe you like to set up people & I bit. You're good at math and not much else. Well, maybe some entertainment. A "$585,000 bankroll"? Sounds more like your net worth, but good on you for that, nevertheless.
August 20th, 2014 at 12:40:39 PM
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Thank you, now I know. This could then be me.Quote: Sonny44I consider "serious craps player" as anyone who takes the time and interest to post on this or any other board about craps. Or, who writes books, etc., for that matter.
Are you a Craps expert, and if yes, why?
I am never partially drunk so this can not be meQuote: Sonny44A "non-serious" craps player is the man/woman, or a couple, group, partially drunk, who walk up to the table, buy in and bets the prop bets or other high HA bets, blow their $20 - $100 in 30 min. or less and disappear.
ask anyone who knows me
nothing wrong in my opinionQuote: Sonny44What also bores me is you math guys carrying out decimal points to the umpteenth degree. What is wrong with rounding up to two decimal points?
I normally just copy/paste my values
from Excel (-0.222222222)
or the calculator in Win7 (-0.22222222222222222222222222222222)
and that is boring?
now this sounds serious.Quote: Sonny44Because you, et al., know the math certainly makes you no more an expert than the rest of us. The proof is in the pudding at the table.
Are you then a Craps AND a math expert?
This is wonderful to me
I am neither but enjoy learning
Thank you.Quote: Sonny44I'm surprised and a bit amused I have to explain this stuff to you.
Maybe you like to set up people & I bit.
You're good at math and not much else.
I think I am good at giving hand jobs, at least I am told I am good... a good girl too
thank youQuote: Sonny44Well, maybe some entertainment.
I like that opinion too
thank you again.Quote: Sonny44A "$585,000 bankroll"? Sounds more like your net worth, but good on you for that, nevertheless.
My first bankroll was $400 and I lost all of it.
I started with $5,000 on my second try and 7 Royals (VP) have added to this and I did have a very nice Lotto win.
just call me
Lucky Sally
I was surprised why no one has asked where my bankroll came from
I Heart Vi Hart
August 21st, 2014 at 4:41:55 PM
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perhaps since this thread was supposed to be about craps experts, but became the usual nonsense from the usual people, this should be moved to the thread about being a dick?????
get second you pig
August 27th, 2014 at 7:17:09 PM
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Quote: mustangsally
I think I am good at giving hand jobs, at least I am told I am good... a good girl too
Please wash up before handling the dice!!
when man determined to destroy himself he picked the was of shall and finding only why smashed it into because."
— E.E. Cummings
August 27th, 2014 at 8:23:46 PM
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Any lost that does not have me as the #1 DI is invalid.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
August 28th, 2014 at 9:46:52 AM
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The first criteria should be that they know better than to throw down cash when the puck is ON and their is a lot of action on the table because the shooter is making points or hitting real numbers!!
when man determined to destroy himself he picked the was of shall and finding only why smashed it into because."
— E.E. Cummings
August 28th, 2014 at 10:25:18 AM
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what is a *real* number?Quote: Scotty71or hitting real numbers!!
never heard of that one.
Is this the true mark of a *craps expert*
when I played crapless craps I could place money on every number except the 7
are those all real numbers too?
and I always wash my hands after any hand job as many guys want to kiss and lick my hand afterwards.
not my pleasure
buts theirs
Sally
I Heart Vi Hart
August 28th, 2014 at 10:26:36 AM
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is this the same as going to the *lost and found*?Quote: BuzzardAny lost that does not have me as the #1 DI is invalid.
I Heart Vi Hart
August 28th, 2014 at 10:28:34 AM
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I have found the secret to success at the craps table. Miss Sticky Fingers.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
August 28th, 2014 at 11:05:29 AM
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Quote: mustangsallywhat is a *real* number?
never heard of that one.
Is this the true mark of a *craps expert*
when I played crapless craps I could place money on every number except the 7
are those all real numbers too?
and I always wash my hands after any hand job as many guys want to kiss and lick my hand afterwards.
not my pleasure
buts theirs
Sally
Geez, there I go again with this naivete thing. In the past when you mentioned "HJ's" I thought you were a manicurist, guess not?
Reel # or real number which would be the antithesis of a faux number, this language stuff confuses me.
August 28th, 2014 at 11:13:11 AM
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Quote: mustangsallywhat is a *real* number?
never heard of that one.
Opposite of imaginary numbers. A real craps expert, though, would hit imaginary numbers. If you ask me. You weren't asking me, but I offer the answer anyways.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
August 28th, 2014 at 11:51:44 AM
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Quote: mustangsallywhat is a *real* number?
never heard of that one.
You're right I meant box numbers..especially the ones I'm on.... my point as I intended would be that a craps expert actually plays craps or has played craps in a casino and has a bit of etiquette at the table.
A 2nd qualifier would be that a "craps expert" has at his or her disposal a few betting strategies to rely upon to make best use of the "rhythm" of the table. If they bet on other shooters that is.
You crack me up BTW
when man determined to destroy himself he picked the was of shall and finding only why smashed it into because."
— E.E. Cummings
August 28th, 2014 at 11:54:20 AM
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The "real" craps expert is the one who is banking the game and can stay in business profitably.
when man determined to destroy himself he picked the was of shall and finding only why smashed it into because."
— E.E. Cummings
August 28th, 2014 at 12:11:51 PM
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ah great! beam me up!Quote: Scotty71You're right I meant box numbers..especially the ones I'm on....
i * i = -1
makes me just want to stay in bed all day
(and that could be fun too, unless I need to be connected to a machine to continue living, like my refrigerator)
box numbers.
seems to me all craps players have there special term or terms to describe accepted terms for the game of craps
sounds goodQuote: Scotty71my point as I intended would be that a craps expert actually plays craps or has played craps in a casino
I think my list satisfies that requirement except maybe #5
I will not name his name here
but Stewart teaches in Utah and might be Mormon and I think it is against their religion (in other words a sin)
to gamble (or play craps for money) but is OK to own the casino
go figure
the word *bit* just bit meQuote: Scotty71and has a bit of etiquette at the table.
rhythm of the table. you do so say...Quote: Scotty71A 2nd qualifier would be that a "craps expert" has at his or her disposal a few betting strategies to rely upon to make best use of the "rhythm" of the table.
Is this the same as the rhythm method the Catholic Church teaches and preaches?
I love to bet against most all shooters. Lay the point.Quote: Scotty71If they bet on other shooters that is.
yap yap
I win more money that way
playing craps = fun
winning money playing craps = more fun
thank youQuote: Scotty71You crack me up BTW
I know up is better than down
so are you a craps expert?
Sally
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August 28th, 2014 at 12:31:20 PM
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Quote: mustangsally
Is this the same as the rhythm method the Catholic Church teaches and preaches?
Yes, no protection....never hedge a good bet
Quote: mustangsallyI love to bet against most all shooters. Lay the point.
Fine by me but you say "most all" who do you bet on? -or- do you pass the dice like most donts.
Quote: mustangsallyso are you a craps expert?
Sally
No, not in my opinion.
I play as an expert in a much bigger casino with much better odds and way more fun games
when man determined to destroy himself he picked the was of shall and finding only why smashed it into because."
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August 28th, 2014 at 12:37:09 PM
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Quote: mustangsally
My first bankroll was $400 and I lost all of it.
I started with $5,000 on my second try and 7 Royals (VP) have added to this and I did have a very nice Lotto win.
just call me
Lucky Sally
I was surprised why no one has asked where my bankroll came from
would you like to share the story of your lotto win? I would love to hear it.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOW
October 6th, 2014 at 1:26:06 AM
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So mustang Sally,
Did you define a craps expert?
I think I missed it if you did.
Did you define a craps expert?
I think I missed it if you did.
October 6th, 2014 at 3:22:08 AM
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I may not be a craps expert, but I have had a radio personality refer to me as such.
It was not upon my suggestion that he did this, but rather based on his perspective of who I was when I explained that I was not an advantage player and that I wasn't sure that advantage play was even possible at all.
Craps expert, from his view, was just the best way that he could come up with that referred to my expertise for his listeners.
I'm not sure what this thread is all about, but I'm pretty certain that I have been interviewed on a radio talk show and described by the host as a craps expert.
I'm also pretty sure that at least one craps expert on this list in the original post doesn't even know the rule about keeping his drink off the armrest. Or if he does know, he needed to be reminded a couple of times (one of the dead giveaways of someone who does not play the game all that much).
It was not upon my suggestion that he did this, but rather based on his perspective of who I was when I explained that I was not an advantage player and that I wasn't sure that advantage play was even possible at all.
Craps expert, from his view, was just the best way that he could come up with that referred to my expertise for his listeners.
I'm not sure what this thread is all about, but I'm pretty certain that I have been interviewed on a radio talk show and described by the host as a craps expert.
I'm also pretty sure that at least one craps expert on this list in the original post doesn't even know the rule about keeping his drink off the armrest. Or if he does know, he needed to be reminded a couple of times (one of the dead giveaways of someone who does not play the game all that much).
aahigh.com
October 6th, 2014 at 5:21:05 AM
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Quote: Ahigh...
I'm also pretty sure that at least one craps expert on this list in the original post doesn't even know the rule about keeping his drink off the armrest. Or if he does know, he needed to be reminded a couple of times (one of the dead giveaways of someone who does not play the game all that much).
Or perhaps he just has trouble following the rules and is just testing them.
Or, he likes screwing with the dealers by making them tell him stuff he already knows
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back !
Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
October 6th, 2014 at 6:06:20 AM
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Captain Morgan is considered the best player by FS. Drink Puertorican rum my friends and dream of DI.
October 6th, 2014 at 6:57:03 AM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsOr perhaps he just has trouble following the rules and is just testing them.
Or, he likes screwing with the dealers by making them tell him stuff he already knows
Perhaps, indeed, yet perhaps not. Perhaps expertise perceived can be achieved without sufficient experience.
aahigh.com
October 6th, 2014 at 7:28:19 AM
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mustangsally
I know where your bankroll came from and so do you. But that is another point, first an expert is someone that
has enough knowledge about something, that his or her opinions are valued over most others.
In my field i get paid very well for my opinion in the courts of law in Wisconsin, i have worked hard for that
and it has served me well.
Now craps thats a different story altogether, in law, atleast to some extent you have a constant, in craps the
only constant is that on almost ever bet you have a ha.
So who is an expert in craps.... i say that it is a person that understands different types of throws, what affect
they have on the dice, what affect does different placement have on the dice, what affect does harder and
softer tables, long or short tables have on the dice. An expert can look at the result of a throw and see how
that result came to be in terms of axis,and what adjustments a thrower would need to make to affect the next
outcome. An expert knows what the table is reveals in terms of dice quality and outcomes, and what betting
pattern would produce the best results. There are players that understand all these things about craps, not
many but they are there.
In court, i have to be able to explain every single aspect of what i am in court for in terms of that
real property, a dice expert should be able to explain every aspect of the game of craps.
What an expert is not is some one that decided to play craps and went to the table for the first time
and turned $100 into$300 and cant wait to get back.
Ask yourself, how many people actually know much about the game?????
dicesetter
I know where your bankroll came from and so do you. But that is another point, first an expert is someone that
has enough knowledge about something, that his or her opinions are valued over most others.
In my field i get paid very well for my opinion in the courts of law in Wisconsin, i have worked hard for that
and it has served me well.
Now craps thats a different story altogether, in law, atleast to some extent you have a constant, in craps the
only constant is that on almost ever bet you have a ha.
So who is an expert in craps.... i say that it is a person that understands different types of throws, what affect
they have on the dice, what affect does different placement have on the dice, what affect does harder and
softer tables, long or short tables have on the dice. An expert can look at the result of a throw and see how
that result came to be in terms of axis,and what adjustments a thrower would need to make to affect the next
outcome. An expert knows what the table is reveals in terms of dice quality and outcomes, and what betting
pattern would produce the best results. There are players that understand all these things about craps, not
many but they are there.
In court, i have to be able to explain every single aspect of what i am in court for in terms of that
real property, a dice expert should be able to explain every aspect of the game of craps.
What an expert is not is some one that decided to play craps and went to the table for the first time
and turned $100 into$300 and cant wait to get back.
Ask yourself, how many people actually know much about the game?????
dicesetter
October 6th, 2014 at 7:42:33 AM
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When Derrick called me a craps expert on high roller radio, Sally, what should he have referred to me as for the purpose of that show in your opinion?
I admit the term and his wish to say I was a professional made me uneasy. But craps expert was better than professional craps player as I'm not even sure that even one of those exists.
But he is trying to create an interesting show. I did not see him calling me an expert leading to a thread like this as an effort for you to publicly humiliate me or to attempt to at least. But I think I'm not the only one who feels that's exactly the point here for you.
I admit the term and his wish to say I was a professional made me uneasy. But craps expert was better than professional craps player as I'm not even sure that even one of those exists.
But he is trying to create an interesting show. I did not see him calling me an expert leading to a thread like this as an effort for you to publicly humiliate me or to attempt to at least. But I think I'm not the only one who feels that's exactly the point here for you.
aahigh.com
October 6th, 2014 at 8:04:51 AM
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Quote:
So who is an expert in craps.... i say that it is a person that understands different types of throws, what affect
they have on the dice, what affect does different placement have on the dice, what affect does harder and
softer tables, long or short tables have on the dice. An expert can look at the result of a throw and see how
that result came to be in terms of axis,and what adjustments a thrower would need to make to affect the next
outcome...In court, i have to be able to explain every single aspect of what i am in court for in terms of that
real property, a dice expert should be able to explain every aspect of the game of craps.
Shouldn't it be an accepted fact that DI "works" before anyone can be qualified as an "expert?"
Shouldn't a dice "expert," at least as you have defined the term, be able to prove that dice setting / DI actually does in fact affect the outcome of a craps game?
Where is the proof that DI actually does what its proponents claim?
In fact it is an unproven belief set.
Any lawyer worth his / her salt should be able to prevent you from qualifying as a craps "expert," at least as to DI.
"What, me worry?"
October 6th, 2014 at 8:11:40 AM
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noQuote: slackyhackySo mustang Sally,
Did you define a craps expert?
I think I missed it if you did.
I left that up to each individual like yourself
but I cast the vote that counts (meaning who gets on the list)
Sally is nice
I Heart Vi Hart
October 6th, 2014 at 8:47:54 AM
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Sally is really hard to stay away from
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imo, one either
is
or
is not
a craps expert
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are you a craps expert?
by answering this simple question, imo,
your lovely wife will still love you just as much as she always has
for me, I will certainly love you much more (that much more)
my list of craps experts
(maybe one will be interested in finding out more about that person(s))
and the chance for any to offer a name of one to be added
I do not think it can get any easier
but maybe it could
I do not think a craps expert list exists any where in the world except here
wow
never thought about it that way
Sally
"may"?Quote: AhighI may not be a craps expert, but I have had a radio personality refer to me as such.
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imo, one either
is
or
is not
a craps expert
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are you a craps expert?
by answering this simple question, imo,
your lovely wife will still love you just as much as she always has
for me, I will certainly love you much more (that much more)
it is very simpleQuote: AhighI'm not sure what this thread is all about, <snip> <snip>
my list of craps experts
(maybe one will be interested in finding out more about that person(s))
and the chance for any to offer a name of one to be added
I do not think it can get any easier
but maybe it could
I do not think a craps expert list exists any where in the world except here
wow
never thought about it that way
Sally
I Heart Vi Hart
October 6th, 2014 at 8:50:46 AM
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You should add Archie Karas to the list.
Who else has almost brought down a casino due to their craps play?
Alas, these days he's but a poor shadow of his former self, but back in the day he was quite formidable.
Who else has almost brought down a casino due to their craps play?
Alas, these days he's but a poor shadow of his former self, but back in the day he was quite formidable.
"What, me worry?"
October 6th, 2014 at 9:03:51 AM
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Mrv '
That is goofy....... an expert on something is not the same as an expert (at) something.
You can have an expert at setting up a casino, that has never played any of the games. A very
good dealer can be an expert on craps without ever playing.
An expert at dice throwing could well understand the basic different throws taught by all
the major dice schools without ever putting in the time to get to be a winner at any one of
them, and an expert in the math of the games could provide the very best combination of
bets to allow you to play the longest on a small budget, or win the most in a short time(or lose)
and again they would be an expert without ever doing it.
An expert could answer almost any question you have on craps, in short provide more insight on
it than you or i may have without being a lifetime winner.
Ahigh has done alot with the video process and knows that well. Ahigh and Superrick live in vegas
and have played at most of the casino's many times, they would certainly be expert in the different
conditions at the casino's , table conditions, harrassment of DI's, and on , they certainly would be
considered expert on that subject, and yet are either of them lifelong winners???
Being an expert does not mean your opinion is 100% perfect, but it is based on much more information
than others have.
In short if we applied your definition of expert to many areas of life, we would have none.
Dicesetter
That is goofy....... an expert on something is not the same as an expert (at) something.
You can have an expert at setting up a casino, that has never played any of the games. A very
good dealer can be an expert on craps without ever playing.
An expert at dice throwing could well understand the basic different throws taught by all
the major dice schools without ever putting in the time to get to be a winner at any one of
them, and an expert in the math of the games could provide the very best combination of
bets to allow you to play the longest on a small budget, or win the most in a short time(or lose)
and again they would be an expert without ever doing it.
An expert could answer almost any question you have on craps, in short provide more insight on
it than you or i may have without being a lifetime winner.
Ahigh has done alot with the video process and knows that well. Ahigh and Superrick live in vegas
and have played at most of the casino's many times, they would certainly be expert in the different
conditions at the casino's , table conditions, harrassment of DI's, and on , they certainly would be
considered expert on that subject, and yet are either of them lifelong winners???
Being an expert does not mean your opinion is 100% perfect, but it is based on much more information
than others have.
In short if we applied your definition of expert to many areas of life, we would have none.
Dicesetter
