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mustangsally
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August 19th, 2014 at 5:53:43 PM permalink
Simple (last update October 6 9:05 am)
(some may say this is stupid and that is an OK opinion)

1) name names of who you consider a craps expert
and
2) how one qualifies to be a craps expert
and I will vote to see if that person makes it on the list (huh?)

(Higher on the list does not mean they are a greater expert (or a more famous) than any other craps experts lower in the list,
like Frank Scoblete saying SN Ethier is a more famous math guy than Donald Catlin)

The list of Craps experts

1. John Scarne

The only man that has done more for gamblers, casinos and governments than any man that has ever lived.
(I sound biased)

all one has to do is read one of his many books.
I have this one
see


and yes, he has made math mistakes before too and every math guy jumped down his throat about it after
typical male responses. just my opinion
do not shoot the messenger with hands in the air

2. Paul Rodgers
(in conference) yes, he also sang with Queen
my thoughts
Album Title
Straight Shooter
(He could be a DI too, He plays every instrument known to man, maybe women too)


3. The Wizard of Odds is Michael Shackleford (a member here at WoV)
he has appeared numerous times on national television as a recognized expert on gambling strategy.
I had a change of mind.
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/19253-adding-an-additional-bet-to-my-passline-after-the-point-is-established/5/#post388316

4. John H. Winn
from SN Ethier "The Doctrine of Chances"
"The donít-pass (and donít-come) bet was introduced by John H. Winn in
1907 (Scarne 1980, p. 20). Initially, there was a 5 percent commission. Later
the barred number became standard. Winn also introduced what was known
as the Philadelphia layout, the predecessor of todayís craps layout, and was
more responsible than anyone for making craps a casino game."
Looks like two thumbs up

5. Stewart N. Ethier (a member here at WoV I think)
Finally made it through his book
"The Doctrine of Chances"
If he is not a craps expert, no one is

Blinded by the book
I love his comments about himself
"This chapter is an expanded version of Ethier (2007b)."
not by Katy Perry

6. MathExtremist (Stacy F) (a member here at WoV)
7. Steen (WinCraps) (a member here at WoV)
8. PaiGow Dan (a member here at WoV)
9. Stephen How
10. Donald Catlin
11. Alan Shank (a member here at WoV)
12 Dale S Yeazel (a member here at WoV)
13. Vic Taucer
14. Ralph Cutolo
15. NowTheSerpent (a member here at WoV)
16. Patricia Demauro
The World Record Craps Roll
of Denville, New Jersey
May 23th 2009
at The Borgata Hotel Casino and Spa
Atlantic City, New Jersey
4 Hours and 18 Minutes

154 Rolls

It was reported it was only her 2nd time playing craps and her second hand that session
She also is mentioned in articles that she was learning as she played.

wow!
what a fast learner
set the bar high girl!


17. ?
Who is the youngest in the group above?
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NewToCraps
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August 19th, 2014 at 6:56:36 PM permalink
1) Naif M. Morre, Jr.
His patents have been the downfall of many inventor's attempts to obtain a new dice game/sidebet patents, because he has many of the basics covered in his patents to protect his ideas which limits others ...

2) Someone who understands the game well enough to either affect change or limit change in how we play the game today vs in the past.
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terapined
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August 19th, 2014 at 7:13:29 PM permalink
Me
lol
I'm strictly a don't player. I understand pass and don't and odds and laying odds but that's about it. Chips are being put on all kind of bets which I don't understand. I actually don't have the foggiest clue what's going on at the rest of the table.
I'm playing craps.
That's all that matters.
Most of my friends don't play and don't understand, therefore they consider me an expert on craps in our circle :-)
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ontariodealer
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August 19th, 2014 at 7:16:55 PM permalink
I've been dealing craps for 39 years and the following list shows all the people who are up long term:
get second you pig
DeMango
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August 19th, 2014 at 7:21:41 PM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

I've been dealing craps for 39 years and the following list shows all the people who are up long term:



There is a prolific craps author down in your neck of the woods, I'm sure you know whom I'm talking about. Not even him???
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
ontariodealer
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August 19th, 2014 at 7:25:02 PM permalink
I cannot comment on any specific player but I stand by my post above.
get second you pig
DeMango
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August 19th, 2014 at 7:28:52 PM permalink
I'm in shock.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
superrick
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August 19th, 2014 at 7:56:26 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

I'm in shock.


Why should you be, nobody said anything about fiction writers!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...! You do good brada ..! superrick Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php ...
radioraheem
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August 19th, 2014 at 8:22:02 PM permalink
1) Anyone who bets ONLY odds/come plus odds, or don't pass/come plus (lays) odds, without any other bets. Emphasis on proportionately making odds or lay bets a higher proportion of total wager, as these are fair bets.

2) Qualification is via observing #1 above.

I personally mainly play the don't, in the off chance that somehow the game is fixed, in which case it would favor the don't bettor, since most folks bet "right".
NewToCraps
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August 19th, 2014 at 10:00:59 PM permalink
Quote: radioraheem

1) Anyone who bets ONLY odds/come plus odds, ...

Now I'm confused on what to bet ...(Was that a typo ? ...ONLY pass/come plus odds ... right?)
Learned Craps in 2013 .... Developed and have a PATENT on Craps "Back On Bet" side bet ... Working on Craps game variations hope to have patents in 2018 - Second Chance Craps and Sub-Crap-tion ... A completely new dice game idea is next - D.. Dice D......

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